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from single track magazine and single
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track WorldCom and welcome to the
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workshop studio and today I wanted to go
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live on YouTube so this is a live video
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we've got a few people tuning in there
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hello welcome and this is a live Q&A
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chat so if you've got any questions for
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me about the bike that we're going to
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talk about today or if you've got any
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other general or mountain biking
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questions then by all means drop them
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right there in the comment section below
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I have a screen in front of me so I can
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read your questions and and hopefully
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answer them for you and if not well this
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google we I'm sure we can find that out
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either pens and paper I would jot down
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your question and I'll see if I can get
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the answer for you I got loads of
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information here about this bike so by
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all means ask away if you've got any
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questions and this is indeed a brand-new
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test bike now this actually turned up
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Jesus a couple of days ago now turned up
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in a cardboard box so partially a simple
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kind of like how a bike would turn up at
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a bike shop and that gave me the
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opportunity to kind of build it up not
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from scratch but but go through quite a
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few different checks and processes that
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I would normally go through when I build
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a bike which I quite like allow me to
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get very close and kind of in depth with
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with what's going on with this frame and
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I get to know a bit more about it so so
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I have been learning a lot because this
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is a bike that I think it came out in
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August so it's still pretty new it's a
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2019 model and it's called the giant
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wait for it the giant Trance advanced
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pro 29er one it kind of rolls off the
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tongue doesn't it if any of you watching
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there have a better name for this bike
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we can we come up with some more
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creative names there to be better be
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much appreciated I'd love to hear what
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you think we should call this bike
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instead of that met perhaps we'll give
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it a nickname for the review because
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lord knows i'm not going to repeat that
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name over ricky but it is fundamentally
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a trance 29er
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now this is kind of a big deal for giant
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because and they did have a trance 29er
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in the range back in rewind the clock it
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was 2000
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and 13 when the trans ex hit the market
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now the trans ex was the longest travel
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29er the giant did at the time and it
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was based on the transplant form put in
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wagon wheels 29 inch wheels and that
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model lasted a couple of years and I
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don't know if any of you out there who
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are watching at the moment we've got to
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shed life guy how about the Jolly Green
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Giant I like that Jolly Green Giant I
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don't know it's the green a bit more
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evil than that perhaps a little envious
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of something I don't know jolly I like
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that though it is quite a sharp paint
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job isn't it it's a very nice metallic
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kind of green looks fantastic in photos
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and videos so I'm quite liking the look
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there you certainly won't mistake it for
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many other bikes that's for sure but yes
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going back to the trans X that model
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lasted two years before Giants said no
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more 29s we're not going to do 29s
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anymore it's all about 27.5 they're much
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better they're lighter they wheels
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accelerate faster the handling is better
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you can build a better frame with
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smaller wheels and so giant went flat
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out with 27.5 they pretty much
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eradicated all 29 errs from their lineup
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I believe they held on to the anthem
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29er
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and the XTC hardtail 29er they didn't
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kind of do anything with them for a
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couple of years they kind of just let
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them sit in the range the existing
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frames and geometry and suspension
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design there was nothing different there
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but they kind of went big with 27.5 so
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that was the 27.5 anthem the 27.5 trans
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the rain and of course the glory
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downhill bike as well fast forward a few
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years and there's been quite a lot of
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development in 29er component technology
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so we've got better 29er Forks we've got
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better 29er wheels we've got Boost hub
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spacing we've got one by drivetrains
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we've got all of these things which are
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helping bike designers make a 29er that
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perhaps has less of the compromises that
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earlier 29s did and I guess if you're a
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big manufacturer like giant I mean they
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are if I understand correctly the
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biggest manufacturer of bicycles in the
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world then small things that make it
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difficult to design a bike say
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29 inch wheels can end up costing a load
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of money and a load of R&D resources so
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so yes there have been great 29 is on
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the market for some period of time but
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kind of applying those changes into a
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really good production model for mass
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production that's something that giant
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has kind of left on the left on the back
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burner for a few years anyway
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2019 we now have this it's the return of
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the 29er trans it's not called the Tran
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sex anymore and and I think you'll agree
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it probably looks a bit better than that
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transaction it does anyone out there
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remember the Tran sex is that a is
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anyone there owned a trans X in the past
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I used to work in a bike shop that sold
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them and we saw the few of them and
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they're the people who rode them loved
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them but a lot of people didn't like the
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looks of that bike it kind of looked
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like it had a front on collision the
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hitch who was kind of quite steep and
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the seat angle was kind of bent
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backwards and it was it looked a bit
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awkward I think I don't know if you'll
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agree with me on that one but it looks
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didn't do it any favors but I think
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you'll agree this one actually looks
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very very good and it's got a whole host
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of changes over existing giant full
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suspension models and some really
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interesting features that I want to talk
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about today and as I said if you're
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tuning in now we've got loads of people
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watching here hello welcome to the live
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Q&A chat it is a Q&A chat so if you've
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got any questions about this bike you're
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going to questions about full suspension
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bikes other bikes on the market type
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wheel technology brakes drivetrain all
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that sort of stuff drop them in the
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comment section below and I'll do my
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best to answer them for you
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but yes going back to the the trans 29 M
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there are four models in the range for
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2019 at least in Australia and Great
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Britain oh we've got column here tuning
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in you they will thanks for joining
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Callum and it depends where in the world
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you are there are sometimes more models
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or cheaper models or more expensive
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models giant being a global brand they
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sell everywhere so there are specific
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models with specific markets in
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Australia and the UK though there are
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two alloy models and two-carbon models
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now we've got the carbon model on test
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here that's where the
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danced in the name comes from oh we've
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got Mike cheating in here hi will hello
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Mike thanks for joining in and we've got
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where are you in Australia from Arcturus
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I'm in Bendigo
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which is two hours north of Melbourne so
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pretty far down the bottom if you're
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looking at Australia on the map there
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we're pretty far down the bottom there
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so yeah Bendigo is my hometown where I
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grew up in and we just returned here a
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couple of months ago well we've got
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Kevin tuning in hello will hello welcome
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and we've got a Taurus are you up in
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Brisbane all right so you're about
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halfway up then Yeah right okay so nice
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and sunny out there this time of year
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beautiful spot to hang out I've only
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been to Brisbane a couple of times but
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absolutely loved it wonderful part of
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Australia and very good if anyone else
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is watching tell me where you're tuning
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in from I'd love to know we've got in
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the shop with Tom that's a great handle
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it's a bit shouty but yeah it's good USA
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of course welcome to the live chat we've
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got someone from Darren are from
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California welcome thanks Darren cheese
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for joining in and and letting us know
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where you're watching from and we are
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indeed a live Q&A chat here this is live
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it's not pre-recorded you can probably
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tell by the quality North Yorkshire
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represent Callum absolutely whereabouts
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in North Yorkshire are you tuning in
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from or where do you live we've got Paul
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Jay I own the 2013 I think it was that
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year the first trans 29 it was the worst
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bike I owned was it really why was it so
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bad I'd be interested to know what you
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didn't like about a Paul we've got
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charlie bike monger hey will I bet the
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weather is better with you I bet the
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weather is better with you do I follow
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that yeah yeah the weather's are right
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here yeah yeah all right got you now
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it's not bad today it's gonna get to 35
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degrees so I'll see how long I last in
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this this basically tin box that I'm
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recording this video in we'll see how we
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go and we've got Kevin here what does it
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weigh very good question Kevin I will
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get onto that shortly
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so just to go back on to the bike here
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so this is the second down from the top
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of the range first down from the top of
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the range come on
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near north Allerton
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I don't know North Allerton but I do
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know parts of North Yorkshire beautiful
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part of the UK so and I hear it's not
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too wet and muddy this time of year so
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I'm glad glad to hear that the winter is
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fairly mild and dry charlie fight mugger
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haha how is your bum doing in that hate
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do I need to send some product I still
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have some bun butter you're always with
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the you know you're always getting a
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product in there Charlie you're very
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clever like that but yes and some new
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bun butter would be great is this good
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stuff I'm not sponsored by bum but err
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by the way so Charlie seems to have a
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habit of getting everywhere all over
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social media and getting his brand
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everywhere what size tires okay
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yes in the shop with Tom is asking what
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size tires we'll get on to that shortly
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let's go through some of the features on
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this bike will talk about spec we'll
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talk about the weight size of the tires
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and what we've got set up here at the
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moment so and this particular model so
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there's the I don't know if you're
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familiar with the 2019 giant range but
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the top-end model is bright blue and it
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comes with a DV o fork and AD Evo shock
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now those models if they're very thin on
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the ground in Australia so we got this
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one into test instead it's a bit more
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reasonably priced and they both share
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the same carbon fiber frame but this one
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comes with a fox suspension package and
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a few changes to the componentry
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compared to that top-end model the price
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I hear you ask
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black not blue oh it is black that's
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true sorry it's got all the blue bits on
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it though doesn't it like the blue dvo
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fork and the stickers and other blue
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bits on a blue fox there we go there we
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go
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thank you very much oak turrets
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appreciate you helping me out there and
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if anyone else picks up on mistakes that
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i blatantly make in this video but i
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mean to correct me
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I think giant stuck 29a wheels on a 20-6
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frame it rode horrible rubbish Gio etc
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Paul is just reminiscing about his
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horrible bike that he owned in 2013
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which was the predecessor to this it was
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the trans X it was the first trans 29er
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and Giants all that bike for two years
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and then they killed it they absolutely
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killed it and they kind of just left
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29-inch wheels for a while they said
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let's do
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7.5 these are cool now 29er czar cool
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again and enjoying sorry investing in it
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we had the anthem 2009 last year now
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we've got the trance 29er for this year
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so so yes so this green machine here
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this sells for in Australia this will
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cost you six thousand two hundred and
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ninety-nine dollars Australian dollars
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for your Americans out there I do
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remember the price on this it's five
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thousand two hundred and fifty dollars 5
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- 55 - well five 155 250 anyway it's a
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bit of a 5 grand American in the UK this
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will cost you four thousand three
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hundred and ninety nine pounds actress
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the new giant trances aren't real we'll
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see how she managed er coming we'll see
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Shimano gear coming I'm told ok yes
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there has been a bit of a delay on xtr
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hasn't there so fingers crossed and that
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comes soon I'm hanging out to get a
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group set tomorrow if you're watching
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semi XTO that'd be cool
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anyway back to this pike so yes so this
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is one step down from the top but it
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does have the same carbon fiber frame as
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the top of the range model and more
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importantly the entire trance range who
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we've got it's the pro 29 advanced
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that's correct yes
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advanced pro 2901 i think is the actual
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name i don't know there's so many words
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in that name i think we were going with
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jolly green bike shed life guy i was
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suggesting so we'll go with jolly green
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bike i quite like that name actually if
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you're looking at a trance 29er whether
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it's carbon or alloy they have the same
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geometry the same suspension design and
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the same fork offset so we're going to
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talk a little bit about that about the
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geometry on this bike because i reckon i
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don't know about what you guys think but
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as far as giant mountain bikes go i
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think this is probably the most
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progressive geometry and progressive
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built kit that I've ever seen from from
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giant there's some really interesting
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kind of numbers and spec choices that
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are on this bike which I think kind of
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makes it stand out a little bit from the
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giant range I would say in my past
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experience of testing giants so last
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year I tested the anthem 29er
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the year before I tested the
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27.5 and the anthem 27.5 all really good
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bikes in their own right great
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suspension design solid frames rode
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really well I would say there are
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probably more on the conservative side
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if you're looking at geometry now on
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paper anyway on the trail was kind of a
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different story but certainly I wouldn't
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say any of the numbers on those bikes
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were kind of genre bending or
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boundary-pushing now a lot of you will
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probably argue that this is an either
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but compared to the rest of the giant
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range I think it is so let's go through
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some numbers this bike has 130 ml travel
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on the front and 115 on the back so it
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is shorter travel than the 27.5 inch
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trans which uses 150 and 140 so this is
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130 115 so I think when this bike first
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came out a few months ago people were
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kind of going hey that's a bit short
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travel for a trance you know that's kind
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of a it's kind of a long travel or
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mountain bike slash trail bike surely
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you know is that is this kind of like an
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anthem X or something or that those
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numbers seemed a bit lower than perhaps
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people expecting I will have you know
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that the original trance back in 2005
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does anyone remember that year that was
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a long time okay 13 years ago oh we've
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got hell over on sticky nuts welcome
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welcome you're red tuning in from Tom
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Burton thanks for tuning in
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you'll be glad to hear sticky nuts that
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the weather here is terrible it's
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pouring down rain it's definitely not 35
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degrees and sunny and dry
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definitely not 100% not but I have heard
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that Tom Burton has been relatively dry
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and mild this winter so hopefully that
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continues for you but yeah I digress so
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what we're on about are we talking about
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suspension travel that's right so it is
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a bit sure to travel but the original
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trance back in 2005 oh we've got Benoit
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band hello from Bendigo sweet mouth
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thanks Ben I made it for you if you're
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happy with it then I'm happy with it and
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we've got guy cast even calls them short
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travel rippers yeah yeah you could call
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that absolutely
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yeah short travel rippers and yeah
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there's a few different kind of names I
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suppose you could you could come up with
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this but it's interesting because it's
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not as long travel as the regular trance
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but the geometry is quite progressive so
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66.5 degree head angle that's actually
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slacker than the 27.5 trance now
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remember the 27.5 trance has more travel
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quite a bit more travel so this is sure
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to travel but it's slacker in the head
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angle and not not only that or we've got
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more comments coming through here
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awesome rig hand mine a little over a
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month light nimble and plush good to
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know Richard thank you for the feedback
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yeah these are proving to be quite
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popular already
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Jack Adler hello mate hello Jack thanks
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for tuning in and we've got insane pain
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yo dudes yo dude back yo to insane pain
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Ben Waldman is that a down country bike
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no it's not a down country bike down
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country is a silly term and we will not
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be using that term in this video anymore
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[Laughter]
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in fact down country though on a serious
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note that tends to refer to 100 mil XC
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bikes that kind of have a pumped-up fork
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and a burly a kind of dual kick kind of
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like that Santacruz blur that i've been
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testing lately this is more I would call
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it a short travel trail bike 115 mil
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it's short travel but it's still a trail
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bike it's an aggressive trail bike so we
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were just talking about that 66.5 degree
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head angle it has a 44 millimeter fork
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offset now this is interesting because
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short offset Forks cut a really hot
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right now transition white and have been
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the two early brands that have like
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really got onto it and gone short offset
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Forks we need to do this the handle way
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better lots of stuff in the marketing
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guff around that about why you would
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want to show it off set fork but other
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brands have followed specialize actually
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do it on the epic cross-country race
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full suspension bike and Canyon have
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done it on their exceed hardtail Santa
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Cruz have done it on the blur their full
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suspension race bike we've also seen it
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on the pivot
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over 29 big long travel 29er what else
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have we seen it on
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I think specializes also doing it on the
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Evo the Stumpjumper Evo Scott is doing
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it on the ransom there was a bike I
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tested last year and though that was
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running the shorter 44 mil for coughs it
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but for 2019 as I understand
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Scott has actually rolled out the short
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offset to the genius and to the spark
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trail bikes as well so they obviously
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see something in this shorter fork
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offset now if you wonder what the hell
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am I talking about offset is basically
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how far the stanchions in the fork sit
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further forward than the steerer tube
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that's a really quick way to describe it
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we've got people questions Alex hello
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from Mickey and Alex in NZ this is
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similar to my white tee one two nine
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awesome bike ride on Alex that t1 t1 to
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nine is a fantastic trail bike Paul Jay
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rocky mountain I think - I'm not sure if
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they do are we talking the instinct 29er
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that's a really good question Paul I'm
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not too sure I'll take your word for it
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though insane Payne known as another
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standard yeah that's right it is
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technically another standard but to be
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fair I mean how often do you need to
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change your CSU hopefully not that often
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maybe you don't say this your folks and
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you destroy the uppers and you might
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need a new CSU that way but the good
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news is both Fox and RockShox are
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offering these different offsets in 27.5
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and 2904 so this is a 29er
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and normally a 29er comes with a fifty
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one millimeter offset so if you draw a
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line straight down the head tube and
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then you drew a parallel line down the
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front axle that offset is 51 millimeters
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now 51 is kind of being the popular fork
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offset for 29 after some time it was
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actually pioneered by a chap called Gary
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Fisher actually we've got his jersey up
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here
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thank you very much Ben Marvin he's
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provided the nice little segue there for
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me Gary Fisher kind of brought out g2
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geometry which was the 51 millimeter
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offset at the time all 29 of Forks were
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46 millimeters I think and people
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fifty-one millimeter offsets a longer
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fork offset actually this is confusing
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it's the opposite of what you think the
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longer the offset the shorter the trail
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figure now the trail I don't want to get
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into too much nitty-gritty detail here
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but anyway if you drew a line from the
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rear ax from the fork axle right to the
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ground
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and we followed the offs the head tube
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angle in a straight line down there that
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distance there will be trail and the
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longer the offset it actually shortens
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the trail basically with a shorter trail
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figure you typically get faster and more
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responsive steering the steering is a
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little lighter and particularly for
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early 29s which were heavy in a bit long
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in the back and a bit steep and a bit
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awkward and a bit high that kind of
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short offset a long offset short trail
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excuse me
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helped give them a lot more nimbleness
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through the turns it helped them feel
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more like a 26-inch wheel bike so that
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was something that Fischer pioneered oh
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gosh 10 years ago I think I want to say
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2005-2006 so a bit over 10 years ago
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someone correct me on that one
21:05
when g2 geometry 51 millimeter offset
21:08
actually came out I think they did it
21:10
with 26 inch bikes as well but anyway I
21:13
digress anyway all you need to know is
21:16
51 millimeter has been this standard for
21:18
all a decent period of time now pretty
21:20
much all 29 is on the market use it but
21:23
this 44 mil offset which this giant
21:25
trans 29er has is becoming more popular
21:29
particularly with longer travel enduro
21:31
bikes and also short travel
21:33
cross-country race bikes oh we've got a
21:34
question come through from Ben Houser is
21:37
the Fox grip to damper with no open
21:39
adjustment better than the fit fall all
21:41
right just a correction on your question
21:44
there there are two grip dampers there's
21:47
grip and grip two grip - you'll find in
21:49
the Fox 36 the big enduro bike and that
21:52
has high and low speed compression and
21:54
high and low speed rebound so that's
21:56
only in the Fox 36 that's the grip - the
21:59
one that came out last year which is an
22:00
amazing damper made the for any an
22:03
amazing fork even better the other
22:06
damper is just called the grip no - just
22:09
grip now grip is the cheapest damper the
22:12
Fox do and that comes in this fork here
22:14
and so if you're talking about the
22:16
difference between this grip damper and
22:18
the fit for damper I actually really
22:21
really like this fork and this damper
22:23
although it's cheaper and it's meant to
22:25
be more entry level than the fit forward
22:27
damper I think it's great I've ridden
22:30
this fork on other bikes so not this one
22:33
here this hasn't been on the trail just
22:34
yet but I have ridden this fork and
22:36
other bikes and it's fantastic very
22:38
plush very responsive very open kind of
22:42
buttery it works really well especially
22:44
with that new evil air Springs so fit
22:47
for is good in terms you've got that
22:49
three position open medium firm or open
22:52
firm pedal or whatever it is that's
22:54
really cool because you've got three
22:55
distinct positions there and also the
22:57
low-speed compression adjustment here
22:59
you've just got a blue dial and you can
23:00
kind of like crank it around there's
23:02
index kind of bumps in there so you can
23:05
hear it clicking as it goes around
23:06
and so you are effectively adjusting
23:08
compression there as well and rebound
23:10
down the bottom so you still got plenty
23:11
of adjustability in it I think it's a
23:13
cracking for especially for the money
23:15
right I think we had another question
23:17
there what is the max tire size can you
23:20
get a plus tire in there asked Charlie
23:21
bike monger no you cannot Charlie a lot
23:24
of 29 is coming out over the last couple
23:27
of years have had the option to run 29
23:29
inch wheels or and 27.5 Plus wheels this
23:34
bike is not one of them you could in the
23:35
fork technically a lot of Fox Forks here
23:38
these will fit
23:39
29 and 27 point five plus wheels and
23:41
tires Ben Hauser thanks no worries been
23:44
my pleasure any other questions just
23:46
drop them in here but on the back we're
23:48
a bit limited for clearance and
23:50
obviously if you do put in twenty seven
23:52
point five plus tires into a 29er even
23:55
if they'll fit it will change the
23:57
geometry because the 27.5 Plus wheels
24:00
they have a similar outer diameter to a
24:03
twenty nine a wheel and tire but when
24:05
you sit on the bike the bigger plus tire
24:08
has more sag to it to end up dropping
24:10
closer to the ground and I've found in
24:12
my experience if you put plus tires into
24:15
a 29er bike I just clip the pedals all
24:18
the time it's enough of
24:20
drop in the bottom bracket height that
24:21
the pedals get a lot lower to the ground
24:23
and and unless you have some kind of
24:26
geometry adjustment built in into the
24:28
frame and the suspension design to
24:30
accommodate that that reduced bottom
24:33
bracket height by lifting the whole bike
24:34
up accordingly generally I wouldn't
24:37
recommend it then again it can work well
24:39
on some bikes that may already be high
24:41
and work well by being dropped down but
24:43
in answer to your question Charlie no
24:45
you cannot feel Plus ties in this bike
24:46
Jack is asking what is the max tire size
24:49
you can run that's a very good question
24:50
to follow on from Charley's I'm still
24:53
trying to find this out because I asked
24:55
giant this question a couple of days ago
24:56
the tire that comes in this fight is a
24:59
two point three inch Max's minion DHR -
25:02
we'll get onto that a little bit later
25:04
because that's a really interesting
25:06
spectrum I think um 2.3 inch there is
25:09
quite a bit of clearance here I reckon I
25:12
reckon you could fit a 2.5 jack but I
25:15
will find that out for you and don't
25:17
take my word as gospel I will check that
25:19
for you I will be seeing what is the
25:21
widest time we can fit into the back of
25:23
this bike I would suggest 2.5 or
25:26
thereabouts Steve is asking how would
25:29
you compare this bike to the pivot trail
25:30
4 to 9 so far that's a really really
25:33
good question the trail 4 to 9 is a
25:35
biker road last year for a very solid
25:38
day out on the launch in Moab which was
25:41
fantastic
25:42
got a really good feel for the bike but
25:44
I haven't had a chance to write it since
25:46
and I am trying to line up a test bike
25:47
at the moment I'd love to compare it to
25:50
this maestro suspension design - the DW
25:53
link on the pivot they're both very
25:55
similar bikes I think they're almost I
25:57
the map the trail 49 I think has 160
26:03
nodes 120 mil travel hasn't it's gone up
26:05
so 120 on the back and 130 on the front
26:07
whereas this is 130 and 115 but that is
26:10
a really good question and that is a
26:11
totally valid comparison between the
26:13
pivot trail 4 to 9 and the giant trans
26:16
29er and I'll hopefully have a bit more
26:18
information for you soon because they're
26:20
there on paper they're very very similar
26:23
bikes very competitive against one
26:25
another right so we were talking about 4
26:28
coughs it before I went on a long rant
26:30
about that the shorter forty formula
26:32
offset but we've got another question
26:33
through here Ben Hauser what's the
26:35
difference between the Gertz Ram guide
26:36
tee and guide are that is a really good
26:39
question and the calipers are the same
26:41
calipers and rotors are the same between
26:43
guide tee and the guide are brakes the
26:45
difference is in the lever the main
26:47
difference with the guide are is you've
26:50
got a little dial that you can adjust
26:52
the lever each so you can bring the
26:54
levers in or bring them out just with
26:55
using a hand on a tool there by winding
26:57
it clockwise or anti-clockwise these you
27:00
require a tool you need a three
27:02
millimeter hex key to adjust the lever
27:04
reach as far as I understand they're
27:07
otherwise identical so if you don't mind
27:09
using a three millimeter hex key the
27:11
guide tees are a really good value
27:13
option compared to the guide ours still
27:15
come with those four piston calipers
27:16
still come with the heat shield which is
27:19
quite neat and still come with the new
27:22
centerline rotors etc etc the leader
27:25
shape feels very similar but but it's
27:27
really just the reach adjustment
27:28
Jack Jack Adler saying the guide are
27:31
also has been recalled because of levers
27:33
sticking that's a very good point I've
27:35
not heard of that Jack is that in
27:37
Australia or is that a worldwide recall
27:40
be good to get the information on that
27:42
from strand if there is a recall that'd
27:45
be very very good to know
27:47
right geometry for coughs it etc us says
27:52
Jack okay that's good to know I've not
27:54
heard anything here in Australia all
27:56
over in the UK so it may be a specific
27:58
production run but if you've got a link
28:01
I know SRAM puts recall notices on its
28:04
website Jack so if you do know where
28:06
that link is drop it into the comments
28:08
section below cuz I'm sure there be
28:09
loads of people out there in the US or
28:12
elsewhere if the recall affects other
28:14
breaks guide our issue was years ago
28:16
okay all right well there we go might be
28:19
years ago but if you do have that link
28:20
that might be useful information for
28:22
some of our viewers out there right so
28:24
we'll go back onto geometry on this bike
28:26
for t formula for gough set which is
28:28
really interesting now that is standard
28:29
across the entire Trent 29s whether you
28:32
get the entry-level alloy model all the
28:34
top-of-the-range carbon model you will
28:36
get that forty formula for coughs ed
28:38
sixty six point five degree head angle
28:40
this is an issue on Callum saying I had
28:44
the issue
28:44
- 2015 trance okay there you go I'll let
28:47
you guys continue that conversation
28:49
we'll talk a little bit more about the
28:51
other geometry on this bike it has a
28:53
seventy four point five degree seat
28:55
angle now because of that bend in the
28:57
seat tube of course that seventy four
28:59
point five degrees is a made-up number
29:02
because the that angle there is slacker
29:06
than seventy four point five so
29:07
effectively where the seat is about now
29:09
it's about seventy four point five but
29:11
if you run your seat a bit higher it
29:12
might get a bit slacker if you're on
29:14
your seat a bit lower and like it a bit
29:15
steeper but theoretically seventy four
29:18
point five chains stay length is four
29:20
hundred and thirty five millimeters
29:21
that's quite a bit shorter than that
29:23
original trance X I think it was nearly
29:25
450 millimeter chains day so 4:45 they
29:29
were pretty long I remember the back end
29:30
of that bike being enormous so twenty
29:33
nine is if you can tuck that rear wheel
29:35
in a little bit tighter generally you'll
29:37
find the steering and tight tight trail
29:41
kind of nimbleness is improved so for 35
29:44
on the back of this bike here I'm going
29:46
to talk about the reach so there are
29:48
four sizes in the trans 29 of the small
29:50
medium large and extra-large the reach
29:53
measurements are my handy notes I have
29:56
here 426 442 462 and 480 millimeters
30:00
we've got a question come through Steve
30:03
oh he's doing about the brake thing
30:05
alright again I'll let you guys chat
30:06
about that so this is a medium bike here
30:09
this is a 442 millimeter reach so
30:12
basically if you draw a line up from the
30:13
bottom bracket straight up to the sky
30:15
measure that to the top of the headset
30:17
here as 442 millimeters so for a medium
30:20
sized bike and the type of bikes that
30:22
I'm used to riding that's pretty good
30:24
that's pretty roomy I wouldn't say it's
30:26
super long and I've ridden bikes like
30:28
the Kotik Solaris max was a good example
30:31
of a bike I rode last year which had
30:33
four hundred and sixty five millimeter
30:36
reach it was 463 I think for 64 huge
30:40
huge reach massive long front Center on
30:43
that bike so that that's what I would
30:46
call a long reach for a medium you know
30:48
that was like a quite a progressive
30:50
geometry but for a conservative Ram like
30:53
giant for a big conservative frame like
30:55
giant that's that's a welcome number
30:57
I think compared to the trance 27.5 this
31:00
is longer so not only is it slacker in
31:02
the head angle it's also longer in the
31:04
reach as well so so those are some basic
31:07
numbers on the trance 29er and a few of
31:10
those I think stand out to me
31:12
particularly amongst the broader kind of
31:15
giant for suspension range we're talking
31:18
about some of the features on this bike
31:19
so you'll be able to tell it's got the
31:20
maestro suspension design this has been
31:23
around since 2005 in various forms it's
31:26
obviously evolved over the years but the
31:29
maestro suspension design relies on a
31:31
solid or I shouldn't say solid it is
31:34
hollow one-piece carbon fiber swing arm
31:37
so this will swing arm is rigid it
31:39
doesn't have any pivots on the chainstay
31:40
or seat today we've got another question
31:42
come through from Paul Jay how would you
31:44
compare the carbon rims on the giant
31:46
compared to your Santa Cruz reserve I'm
31:48
in the market for carbon rims my rocky
31:51
is the twenty seven hundred dollar price
31:53
tag worth it I assume twenty seven
31:55
hundred dollars you're talking about the
31:56
reserve wheels these are new wheels and
31:59
we will talk about these these are the
32:01
TR x1 carbon wheels now giant redesigned
32:05
these wheels for 2019 so there's the TRX
32:10
zero and the TRX one they're brand new
32:14
for 2019 giant has done carbon rims in
32:17
the past carbon wheels and but these
32:19
have an all new carbon fiber rim which
32:21
I'm told are 40% stronger than the
32:25
wheels that they replace now that's a
32:27
good thing because I have broken carbon
32:29
giant rims in the past these are meant
32:32
to be stronger they've got a more
32:34
shallow kind of a blunt profile whereas
32:36
the previous ones were kind of a bit
32:38
sharper and pointy ER and taller these
32:40
are kind of shallower and flatter
32:43
they are 27 millimeters wide internally
32:46
which is kind of a good trail width for
32:48
2.3 2.4 inch tires the difference
32:52
between the TRX zero and the TRX one
32:54
spokes and hubs so the rims are exactly
32:57
the same tube is compatible hookless fat
33:00
three millimeter sidewalls on the beads
33:03
but it's the hubs and the spokes which
33:07
change the spokes go from subpoena
33:11
I think their subpoena laser double
33:12
buttered spokes on this will set whereas
33:14
they go to DT Swiss error light triple
33:16
buttered flat blade spokes on the TR x
33:18
zero so you drop a bit away from the
33:20
spokes the other difference is the
33:22
freehub mechanism on the back so on this
33:24
bike it's a three pour mechanism and you
33:27
get got that twenty-four clicks per
33:33
revolution so not the fastest engaging
33:36
hub you do get the DT Swiss star ratchet
33:39
mechanism on the TRX zero wheel set so
33:42
so you can get both of them aftermarket
33:44
at least in Australia you can I'm
33:46
relatively sure on the UK you can as
33:48
well and the US I assume TRX zero TRX
33:51
one what hubs are on these upgradeable
33:54
says Kevin who's asking about hubs on
33:57
the TRX wheel set their giants own hubs
34:00
so their alloy hubs seal cartridge
34:02
bearings straight pull spokes really
34:05
nice as far as I'm aware
34:06
they look very DT esque coincidence I'm
34:09
not sure but they do use a three pull
34:12
mechanism on the rear now when you go to
34:14
the higher end TRX zero wheel set you
34:16
get the star ratchet freehub mechanism
34:18
now how do these compare to Santa Cruz
34:20
reserve wheels it's a really good
34:22
question because they've got the same
34:23
internal rim with the weight is within
34:25
50 grams I think the wheel set weight on
34:29
these with tape and valves for the front
34:32
and the rear wheels as a TRX one is
34:35
eighteen hundred and two grams so not
34:38
the liest I mean if you're looking for
34:40
real sets in this kind of in this kind
34:44
of spec like that 27 millimeter wide
34:46
carbon rim type thing certainly you can
34:49
get lighter for sure but giant is has
34:51
definitely marketed these rooms as being
34:53
a lot a lot tougher than their previous
34:55
carbon rims so I suspect they're they're
34:57
pretty well over built but I'll let you
34:59
know what they ride light once we get it
35:01
onto the trail I've been riding those
35:03
reserved wheels for quite a while and
35:04
now they're really good I really like
35:06
them
35:07
nice build standard j.vin spokes triple
35:10
crafts DT Swiss hubs you can change the
35:13
pre hard between SRAM and Shimano quite
35:15
easily but they also ride quite smoothly
35:18
you know some carbon rims they can feel
35:20
like ah you're bouncing around like
35:22
pinball at a pinball machine but the
35:25
reserved rooms are quite smooth there
35:27
they've got a really nice right quality
35:29
so I'll be interested to see how these
35:31
compare and it's a good point you bring
35:33
up because I will be reviewing these
35:34
wheels separately I'll be taking these
35:36
wheels off this bike at some point
35:38
testing them on a variety of other bikes
35:40
we'll be doing some wheel swapping tire
35:41
swapping and moving around on different
35:44
bikes so we'll have a long-term review
35:45
on these wheels coming separately to the
35:47
bike reviews so that's a good point
35:49
you're raised there I think we've got
35:50
some other questions here is that a one
35:52
to five drop it seems like this room for
35:54
a 150 if it's a full extension is it a
35:57
house brand drop it if you like it so do
35:59
you like it so far
36:00
Steve is asking about this dropper
36:02
seatpost yes Steve it is a house brand
36:05
saddle it is giant phone contacts which
36:09
S drop the post I think I haven't quite
36:12
remembered the name there anyway it's
36:14
got a nice underbar remote you'd use
36:16
indeed 125 ml travel on the trans 29 if
36:20
you get a small or a medium you only get
36:22
125 of drop if you get a larger and
36:26
extra large you get 150 of drop so giant
36:28
has a 150 ml dropper post it just
36:31
doesn't put it on the medium which I've
36:33
got here all the small sizes that's a
36:36
real bummer because exact up now let me
36:39
just double check that was Steve as you
36:41
picked up Steve there's plenty of it
36:43
exposed seat post here that I could play
36:45
with so the seat tube on this frame is
36:47
pretty short and that was another kind
36:49
of geometry feature on this buy that I
36:51
quite like the shorter the seat tube the
36:53
longer you can have the longer the
36:55
dropper post can be you've got more room
36:57
for more travel on your dropper post and
36:59
there's loads of travel here I could
37:01
probably fit a 160 maybe a 170 175 no
37:04
dropper I have to measure it to be sure
37:07
but there's a load of room to play with
37:08
so it is a bit of a bummer that comes
37:10
with a 125 now I've written with one 50s
37:13
and one 60s and even a 170 more dropper
37:16
as well when you go back to a 125 the
37:19
saddle feels high it feels like it's
37:21
still in the way a little bit so so that
37:24
would if this were my bike that'd be
37:25
something I'd be looking at doing would
37:27
be putting a longer stroke dropper on
37:28
there but of course it depends on your
37:30
saddle height so if you've got short
37:32
little legs and you see ends up being
37:34
lower in the frame
37:35
you're better off have
37:36
a shorter dropper because that fits more
37:39
people so when people walk into a giant
37:42
store and they want to buy one of these
37:43
and they jump on it and the salesperson
37:46
sizes them up if you've got a shorter
37:48
drop it you've got more room to play
37:50
with more adjustment so that's probably
37:52
a decision that was factored into
37:54
putting the 125 dropper on the mediums
37:57
and the small frames so hopefully that
37:59
answers that question for you what's the
38:02
well we've got Dave Ross here hey matey
38:04
does it have a threaded BB no it does
38:06
not it's a carbon frame so it's got a
38:07
press fit PF 90 to bottom bracket this
38:10
is the new strand double bottom bracket
38:12
now I've installed a few of these these
38:15
are fantastic as far as putting them
38:17
together as far as the ceiling quality
38:19
and the way everything kind of clicks in
38:22
place with the cranks really really nice
38:24
the PF 92 SRAM duck bottom bracket it's
38:28
stainless steel the cups and what's
38:32
really cool about it is I can't show you
38:34
here because in the bike but the outer
38:36
race for the bearing is the cup so it's
38:40
one in the same thing so you don't have
38:41
a cup than a bearing gets pushed into it
38:43
then the cup gets pressed into the frame
38:45
you have a bearing and the outer race of
38:48
the bearing here's the cup and that gets
38:50
pressed into the frame so there's less
38:52
parts and so it makes it a little bit
38:54
lighter but more importantly it gives
38:55
more room for bigger ball bearings and
38:58
also bigger seals as well so it's a PF
39:01
ninety-two bottom bracket on this frame
39:02
it's probably run over the details
39:04
actually it's also got is cg.o five
39:06
chain guide tabs so if you're a little
39:08
bit in LA you can put a chain guide on
39:11
here it actually comes with an upper
39:12
guide in the box but I think that's an
39:15
Australian specific thing correct me
39:17
we had actress following us before from
39:20
Brisbane we've got a few other people
39:21
from Australia I think that's an
39:23
Australian law so you can't sell a bike
39:26
even a mountain bike with a one buy
39:30
drivetrain without some kind of chain
39:33
device I think that's an a trouble seed
39:35
laws so someone please correct me if I'm
39:37
wrong if you know the or if you know if
39:39
that's right then that'd be great to
39:41
confirm it but it does come with a
39:42
little MRP upper guide Paul J that's
39:44
correct excellent thank you Paul I heard
39:46
that the other day and I wanted to find
39:47
out more about it but yes this bike
39:49
actually comes with
39:50
MRP guide in the box which is an astray
39:52
lien specific thing it's a law because
39:55
this bike doesn't have a front
39:56
derailleur or chain retention device by
39:58
law you have to have one I don't think
40:01
it needs it I think we all know that
40:02
well maybe maybe don't but in my
40:05
experience and I think anyone out there
40:06
who's used strand Eagle very hard to
40:09
drop a chain with these new xc2 chain
40:12
rings we've got Paul Jay Bell and
40:15
reflectors - yes it did come with a host
40:17
of bells and reflectors which I've not
40:18
installed yet that's on my list of
40:20
things to do so along with the spokes
40:23
and tassels yes so I see go5 chain right
40:26
herbs
40:27
we've got Boost hub spacing on the rear
40:30
and front what are the features have we
40:32
got on this frame carbon armor there's
40:34
this nice black rubberized arm which
40:37
sits underneath the belly of the frame
40:38
so if you're getting rocks kind of
40:40
thrown up from the front wheel this is
40:42
this is really the sweet spot this is
40:44
that this is the one that's going to cop
40:45
everything so they've put stuck on some
40:49
rubber armor there that also lines the
40:52
outside and inside of the chainstay and
40:54
there's also a little pad on the upper
40:56
seat stay here just to stop chain nose
40:58
from hanging around on the frame which
41:01
probably talked about the suspension
41:02
design because this is the newest
41:04
iteration of the maestro platform and I
41:07
think I was saying before that this uses
41:09
a one-piece rigid carbon swinger you've
41:12
got the one-piece rigid main frame and
41:15
the two are joined together by two links
41:17
so we've got this upper rocker linkage
41:19
here and we've got this long kind of
41:21
lower linkage here you won't be able to
41:23
see that too well in the video but it
41:25
extends from just above and forward of
41:27
the bottom bracket to just behind the
41:29
bottom bracket there so these two links
41:31
basically rotate the same direction I
41:34
guess if you're familiar with the DW
41:37
link suspension design BMC's ApS
41:40
suspension design there's lots of
41:41
designs out there that use this kind of
41:43
dual link system or a similar link
41:46
system of course the length and
41:48
orientation of the pivots changes the
41:50
kinematics quite significantly so
41:52
although some suspension designs look
41:54
similar the ride on the trail can be
41:56
completely different anyway this is the
41:58
maestro design and
42:00
one of the things I really like about
42:01
this is there's only five pivot points
42:05
now if you compare that to a DW link
42:08
suspension design or say a specialized
42:12
FS R or a trick ABP suspension design
42:15
this actually has fewer pivots and fewer
42:18
moving parts and that's because this
42:20
lower shock mount here it shares the
42:23
same axle on the same bearings as the
42:26
forward link the forward lower link
42:29
mount so where the lower link bolts onto
42:30
the frame that's the same spot that the
42:32
rear shock mounts to so gives it a
42:35
really clean look it reduces a few
42:37
moving parts reduces the number of
42:40
bearings in the back of the frame so
42:42
particularly for those in the UK who
42:44
ride in wet conditions more frequently
42:47
less bearings to worry about is
42:49
generally a good thing at the top we've
42:51
got the trunnion mount here so this
42:53
rocker link bolts onto the side of the
42:56
rear shock so got a cartridge bearing on
42:58
each side of there where it bolts onto
43:00
the rear shock and the theory there is
43:02
to basically allow the shock slightly
43:04
smoother rotation to begin with so
43:07
compared to a d-u bushing which a lot of
43:09
shops have previously come with some
43:11
still do in so if you had a normal shock
43:14
you would have just a single bolt and
43:16
d-u bushing at the top this uses two
43:18
cartridge bearings on either side so the
43:20
idea is to make it a bit smoother a
43:22
little bit a little bit more sensitive
43:25
on the first part of the travel Jack
43:28
we've got bottle cage mounts question
43:30
mark yes indeed there's two bottles well
43:32
two bottle cage bolts one bottle cage
43:34
will fit in here in the main frame so
43:36
yes it will indeed take a bottle inside
43:39
the main frame none of that bottle under
43:41
the downtube rubbish so yeah it will fit
43:43
in there speaking of the rear shock this
43:46
is a Fox float DPX - now I do want to
43:49
talk a little bit about the spec on this
43:51
bike because we were talking before
43:53
about that slack 66.5 degree head angle
43:56
the short 40 formula offset the
43:58
reasonable 440 to reach and some of
44:01
these numbers that are more progressive
44:03
than previous giant full suspension
44:04
bikes we've seen this bike although it's
44:07
got 115 ml of rear travel it comes with
44:09
a piggyback shock which i think is
44:12
really
44:13
or personally this is a custom shop from
44:16
Fox
44:16
now you can't buy a little DPX to shop
44:20
like this afloat DPX to the shortest
44:23
they do is a good 20 mil longer than
44:26
this so this is a custom shock for giant
44:29
built by fox it's the Fox float DP x2
44:32
and it's 162 millimeters I died so it's
44:36
tiny
44:37
it is a metric shop so they're generally
44:38
a bit shorter but it is tiny 42
44:41
millimeter 42 point five millimeters
44:43
stroke so it's quite a short little
44:45
shock piggyback on there as well so
44:47
you've got quite a bit of adjustability
44:50
and here's separate damping circuits
44:52
it's a beautiful shock if you've not
44:54
written the DP x2 obviously depending on
44:57
the bike you get it on and a tunic comes
44:59
with as well in my experience it's a
45:01
fantastic shop really nice
45:04
ground-hugging feel loads of traction
45:06
really smooth great consistency as well
45:08
it kind of splits the difference between
45:10
the regular float DPS shop and the big
45:14
float x2 downhill shop so this is kind
45:16
of in-between it's a trail or mountain
45:19
enduro shop if you will and so yeah so
45:22
it's got a piggyback shock on here for a
45:24
hundred fifteen millimeter travel trail
45:25
by which i think is quite impressive up
45:28
front we've got a fox 34 float we were
45:30
talking about this before about the grip
45:31
damper and so this is the cheaper model
45:34
of all black stanchions
45:35
but instead of the fit for damper which
45:38
comes in the higher end forks this comes
45:41
with the grip damper so or fit grip
45:43
damper so it's a little bit more simple
45:45
it's an a semi open bar system versus
45:49
the closed cartridge and the fit fall in
45:51
my experience i found these to be really
45:53
good performance so I have high
45:55
expectations of the fork on this 5 130
45:58
ml travel on the front their boost
45:59
spacing 44 mil offset we have the evil
46:02
air spring on the other side we've got
46:03
the blue compression lever up the top
46:05
here we've got the red rebound damper
46:08
read read read rebound
46:10
adjuster down the bottom I should say
46:12
I'm so loads of adjustability in this in
46:15
this fork and the rear shock as well so
46:17
the suspension package looks very very
46:19
promising on paper that's for sure so
46:23
yeah so it's I think for a short travel
46:25
20
46:25
I think it's quite progressive we've got
46:27
Max's minion tires here not just that
46:30
but we've got three c-max terror rubber
46:33
compounds that's quite a high entire you
46:35
know those aftermarket they're pretty
46:37
expensive tires
46:38
this might comes with them as standard
46:40
so that triple rubber compound nice
46:42
sticky compound on the cornering blocks
46:46
there so I've ridden these tires before
46:48
and they are really really good we've
46:50
got the minion dhf on the front and the
46:52
DHR two on the back I would like to ask
46:54
you guys a question I'm thinking I might
46:57
actually swap these tires around there's
47:00
anyone else out there running the dhf
47:03
DHR combo and if so do you run one on
47:06
the front one on the rear both front and
47:09
rear do you run the dhf run real or the
47:11
DHR - front and rear and I'd love to
47:13
hear what you go with on your bike what
47:16
you recommend but I've been thinking
47:19
about I'm gonna ride it as is but I'm
47:21
also going to try swapping them around
47:22
because the DHR the dhf have previously
47:26
been nicknamed as the downhill front and
47:29
the downhill rear that's incorrect the
47:31
original meaning dhf was downhill
47:33
freeride and the original DHR was
47:36
downhill race so over the years they
47:39
kind of got known however as being the
47:42
front and the rear and that's how people
47:44
ran and the rear was kind of kind of a
47:46
bit crappy though so a lot of people
47:47
around
47:47
dhf front and rear but the new DHR - has
47:51
been updated significantly over the
47:53
previous do chart and this is a
47:54
fantastic time Paul J DHR D H are both
47:59
front ribs yeah I think I think Paul's
48:02
onto it
48:02
sticky nuts D H F on the rear is good
48:05
yeah I think so - it's a bit faster
48:07
rolling this dhf the DHR it's a slow
48:11
tire especially for a trail by like this
48:13
so I'd be more inclined to put it on the
48:16
front and the faster rolling dhf on the
48:18
back Steve I'm running a DHR - up front
48:22
I dig it there isn't that slight
48:23
transition slide between the centre
48:25
knobs and the corner knobs and the dhf
48:27
yep
48:28
I haven't tried a dhf in the rear yeah
48:31
one thing I find about the dhf is it's a
48:34
little rounder and it's a really nice
48:36
kind of
48:37
even transition from left to right
48:39
whereas the DHR 2 is a little bit more
48:42
square and I find that it kind of drops
48:45
a bit more when you're kind of going
48:47
into the turns so that's that's one
48:50
difference I found personally testing
48:52
the the median DHS and EHRs but yeah I'm
48:55
thinking about swapping those tires
48:56
around so we'll see how that goes
48:57
elsewhere we have 718 millimeter wide a
49:02
payers on here a 40 millimeter stem now
49:05
I think it comes with a 40 on the
49:06
small/medium and on the large and
49:08
extra-large
49:09
maybe it comes with a 50 or 60
49:11
millimeter stem but it's a 40 millimeter
49:13
stem on this one the medium 780
49:15
millimeter wide bars so yeah everything
49:18
kind of points towards of being you know
49:20
built for good times built for a bit of
49:21
party on the trail we've of course got a
49:24
1 by 12 drivetrain here from SRAM this
49:26
is a GX equal group set with descendant
49:29
alloy cranks steel chain ring on there
49:31
which is good actually so this is you
49:35
might be able to tell it looks a little
49:36
bit more Hollow and spidery than the
49:38
regular alloy chainrings it's steel now
49:41
in theory that should last longer than
49:43
your alloy chain rousseau heavier for
49:45
sure and and it's cheaper that's why it
49:48
comes on this descendant series and not
49:50
the GX Eagle cranks it it's a sort of
49:53
step down but steel chain ring should
49:55
last longer in theory so yes there's
49:58
some really nice kind of little features
50:00
there and if you're just tuning in and
50:03
watching live welcome to youtube live my
50:05
name is Wolfram singletrack and we're
50:07
talking about this bike here the giant
50:08
trance advanced pro 2901 I remembered or
50:12
as a should life guy correctly threw it
50:17
out there the Jolly Green bike I think
50:20
we came up with the Jolly Green Giant
50:21
does anyone else have a more creative
50:23
name for this bike than the trance
50:25
advanced pro 2901
50:27
please submit them down here I'd love to
50:29
know your creative nickname for this
50:31
bike because I'm not going to refer to
50:32
this bike for every video and every
50:35
reviewer I do on it as that full name
50:38
because I think that's really boring and
50:39
really long come up with a with it with
50:41
an exciting name for this bike to match
50:42
that green colorful paint job I think we
50:45
just had a question come through there
50:47
are they still using overdrive headsets
50:49
asks semi
50:51
yes but I know what you're talking about
50:54
you're talking about overdrive - and if
50:57
anyone remembers this booger says Dave
51:00
the booger that's a very fluorescent
51:04
booger isn't it that's um I like that
51:06
Jack said the Green Hornet oh well that
51:08
sounds mean I kind of like that Jack
51:10
because the Jolly Green bike I don't
51:12
think this is a Jolly Green I think this
51:14
is kind of an evil green so like Green
51:16
Hornet that's a good one
51:17
boogers or if you've got any suggestions
51:22
for them what I should call this bike
51:24
what we should name this bike drop them
51:26
in the comment section below
51:27
we're just talking about the overdrive
51:29
headset so Shrek ah that's a fantastic
51:34
name
51:34
is is it do you think it's ugly as shrek
51:38
is that kind of what you're going for
51:40
there as well as the green mine if
51:43
you're gonna give it away sisty keynote
51:45
yeah oh well I'll ship it over to Todd
51:48
for you no problem we told you about the
51:52
overdrive headset so it's a tapered
51:54
headset this is the standard tapered
51:56
headset so thankfully giant a few years
52:00
ago dropped the overdrive to system on
52:03
their mountain bikes I think they still
52:05
do it on their road bikes correct me if
52:07
I'm wrong overdrive - and overdrive two
52:11
different things
52:12
overdrive is stand a tapered that's what
52:14
everyone uses so it's one point five and
52:16
it tapers to one one eight one point
52:19
five and tapers to one and one eighth
52:20
overdrive - is one point five and it
52:24
tapers to one and a quarter so it's a
52:27
bit bigger now I don't know about you
52:30
guys when giant released overdrive - I
52:33
think we all thought that's really
52:34
annoying there's now new a spirit new
52:36
steerer tube standard new headset
52:38
standard u stem standard as well because
52:42
in a regular one of my latest m won't if
52:44
you don't overdrive to steer at you I
52:47
think giant ran overdrive to thing for
52:49
two three years maybe it kind of been
52:52
any more than three years and then they
52:54
just quietly sheltered away because I
52:57
think people were pretty annoyed about
52:58
it particularly bike shops you know if
53:01
you're working in a bike shop and you
53:02
sell this bike to a customer
53:03
have one of those overdrive two things
53:05
and they're like hey cool I want to put
53:07
on a 16 millimeter stem or they come in
53:10
at you know so you've got a search for a
53:13
compatible stem so of course giant make
53:16
their own stem so that's fairly
53:17
straightforward for you to get what if
53:19
they take it to a different bike shop
53:20
that isn't a giant dealer that doesn't
53:21
have overdrive two stems one on one
53:24
quarter-inch stems so that presented
53:27
some annoying issues also sourcing up a
53:31
headset bearings as a pain and if you
53:33
had to replace the CSU you needed to get
53:35
a specific CSU for it because the
53:38
standard tapered steer wouldn't fit it
53:39
so yes I think we could all agree that
53:42
overdrive to was not a great thing it
53:45
wasn't a great innovation and it's gone
53:47
now so you don't have to worry about
53:48
that thanks for asking it's a it's a
53:50
really valid question that was Sammy so
53:53
no it's got a standard tapered a
53:55
standard tapered tapered headset which
53:59
is called overdrive but its standard
54:01
tapered then the really annoying
54:03
standard was overdrive to that's gone so
54:05
we can forget about that so so yeah all
54:08
right so we've got some names coming
54:10
through here I I reckon Jack might be
54:12
winning with Green Hornet or or perhaps
54:14
wily Cody was Shrek that is also a very
54:17
very good name booger too if you've got
54:20
any other nicknames for this green
54:22
machine then drop them in the comment
54:23
section below but there we go that's a
54:26
bit of a chat about this point oh one of
54:28
the first questions we had on this video
54:30
was how much does it weigh and I did say
54:33
I was going to tell you I haven't here
54:35
it's right at the top of my notes so
54:37
this is the medium sized without pedals
54:39
oh we've got another comment here from
54:40
Paul Jay green flash that's a good one
54:43
probably not with me riding it maybe
54:45
with someone else on the bike we call
54:48
that green flash it probably comes with
54:49
some expectations about how fast you
54:51
ride and I'm not sure I could live up to
54:54
those expectations perhaps I should call
54:56
it Shrek then that'd probably be a more
54:57
appropriate name with me riding this
54:59
bike so this bike without pedals twelve
55:04
point six seven kilograms now for those
55:07
of you who use old money as twenty seven
55:11
point eight seven pounds so it comes
55:13
under that 30 pound barrier by quite a
55:14
bit
55:15
twelve point six seven
55:16
that's set up to blur snow tubes in
55:18
there that's got a bit of sealant no
55:20
pedals just as you can see it here
55:22
twelve point six seven so it's I would
55:25
say on the pretty light side for an
55:28
aggressive trail bike perhaps on the
55:30
porky side for a short travel you know
55:34
cross-country trail bike I don't know
55:35
whatever if that's light to you call if
55:37
it's heavy that's a bummer
55:38
but yeah twelve point six seven kilos
55:40
for this spiky and it's a medium-sized
55:44
arguing me the price on earth we've gone
55:46
through all the specs there frame
55:48
features and so on and oh there's one
55:51
more frame feature I want to talk about
55:52
before we go we've had another question
55:54
come through here from shed life guy
55:55
does this come with the unique clip
55:58
saddle I'm asking as I bought one this
56:00
week with the light and I'm loving that
56:02
integrated look huh yeah right so
56:08
there's a clip on the back of this
56:09
saddle and you can directly clip a light
56:12
on is that what you're saying life
56:13
guy I honestly had no idea that that
56:16
sounds pretty cool I can see something
56:18
at the back of this saddle it is a giant
56:20
branded saddle by the way it's I forget
56:23
what it's called something it's their
56:24
neutral style one probably contact is
56:27
the name of the settle and there is a
56:28
clip on the back of it so let us know if
56:31
there's something that we can bolt on to
56:33
that so I guess you can clip on a line
56:35
or maybe a GoPro or something like that
56:37
that's really neat I didn't know there
56:39
you go I learn something new today
56:40
hopefully you learn some new stuff today
56:43
as well oh yeah we're talking about
56:44
cable routing and this is internal cable
56:47
routing through the down tube
56:49
we've got rubber bones on either side
56:51
the head tube I just wanted to mention
56:52
this because normally with internal
56:54
cable routing it can be a real faff but
56:56
China's actually popped the cables out
56:59
here and run them externally past the
57:02
seat tube and over the linkage there's a
57:05
couple of cable ties here holding it
57:06
down the rear brake hose runs externally
57:08
all the way to the back and the gear
57:10
cable runs for a short section through
57:12
the chain state here that's basically to
57:14
protect it from the chain from rocks and
57:16
so on keeps it a bit bit cleaner as well
57:20
so there's only really a short section
57:22
of internal routing here and in
57:24
externally over the linkages here it's
57:26
quite a nice smooth line so I quite
57:28
like that right and we've got shed life
57:31
guys saying yes an offender or a
57:34
saddlebag or extra bottle cage no way
57:37
well thank you very much for letting me
57:38
know life guys so we're just
57:39
talking about the saddle here it's got
57:41
an integrated clip that you can chuck on
57:42
a light saddle bag offender an extra
57:45
bottle cage so that's really neat I
57:47
never seen crosses doing that with their
57:49
new saddles as well so kind of cool to
57:51
see a bit of integration their physique
57:53
did that years ago didn't they and I
57:55
think they still do it you can clip on a
57:56
rear taillight or a saddle bag so nice
57:59
to see some clean integration rather
58:01
than having to you know velcro stuff on
58:04
especially the dropper post that gets a
58:05
bit messy we've got one more question
58:07
here through Jack from Jack I should say
58:10
carbon bar and what's the length
58:12
it's an aluminium handlebar so this is
58:14
780 millimeters wide it is 15 millimeter
58:18
rise I don't remember the sweep but it's
58:22
a 35 millimeter clamp diver that's
58:24
actually a new thing for giant they make
58:26
their own handlebars and stems for 2019
58:29
they've gone to a 35 millimeter clamp
58:32
diameter at least on this bar and stem
58:34
anyway I'm sure they're still doing 31 8
58:36
on other bars and stems but this one's
58:38
coming with a 35 which seems to be the
58:40
new emerging wow it's been emerging for
58:44
a while but more brands are going with
58:46
35 millimeter diameter handlebar in stem
58:48
personally I'm not a fan of it I just
58:51
prefer if we stopped 31.8 didn't really
58:54
see that there was anything wrong with
58:55
31.8 and also it's really annoying if
58:59
you already have a 31.8 clamp for your
59:01
exposure light or your GPS computer or
59:05
other lights or other accessories that
59:07
mount to the handlebar and if you get a
59:08
new bike and it's got a 35 millimeter
59:10
clamp and you've got to put those things
59:11
on and they don't fit I've had that
59:13
happen a few times it's really annoying
59:15
but anyway so be it it's 35 millimeter
59:18
diameter doesn't matter it's complete
59:20
bikes come to the bar and stem so yeah
59:23
there you go 35 millimeter diameter 40
59:26
millimeter long stem so nice and short
59:28
on this one with the 780 bars Rob rides
59:32
it'll go back up to 40 mil in a few
59:34
years and then back down the ski you're
59:36
probably will won't it will just get
59:37
bigger and bigger
59:38
while I'm ranting about
59:40
thirty five-millimeter clamped on that
59:41
and while we were talking before about
59:43
overdrive - can we talk about 1.5 the
59:46
steerer tube diameter that we used to
59:48
have which I thought was a really good
59:50
thing that big fat steerer tube made
59:52
sense because frames were getting
59:54
stiffer Forks getting stiffer and then
59:56
we went back to tapered we went to the
59:58
skinny one 1/8 thing and now you've got
1:00:00
this 35 millimeter diameter handlebar
1:00:02
thing that looks really fat and
1:00:03
aggressive the back of the stem this one
1:00:05
on 1/8 steerer tube looks really small
1:00:07
we're kind of making some things bigger
1:00:09
and fatter and stiffer and we had 1.5
1:00:12
and then we got rid of it I don't know
1:00:14
why I think it was people complaining
1:00:16
that they couldn't use the old stems
1:00:17
which I was just talking about before
1:00:19
incidentally so I'm just as guilty but
1:00:22
anyway rant aside perhaps we'll have a
1:00:24
separate discussion about standard it's
1:00:26
on a different video we can all vote on
1:00:28
our most hated standards and what we'd
1:00:30
like to see in the future but before we
1:00:33
go down that route I should probably say
1:00:35
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very much guys thanks so much for tuning
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you know I'm really glad you've enjoyed
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I've had a lot of fun I could talk about
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bikes like this all day long but I think
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our now is probably a good amount of
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time so we might leave it there we've
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had Rob yep thumbs up absolutely so I
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might leave it there guys as you said
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section here and I will check out for
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those
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coming a few days otherwise I'm gonna
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get out of here because it's about 35
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degrees in this tin shed and I'm getting
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pretty hot so I'm gonna head off we've
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got one more question when do we get a
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ride review from Kevin very good
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question Kevin this is a long-term test
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bike I've got it for a few months and
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that's primarily to test the wheels as
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well separately but I will let you know
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I would like to do like an early ride
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review on it as well so I would I would
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give it a few weeks before we before we
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get a review on this there's a lot of
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stuff I want to do to it first after the
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first few rides so make sure you stay
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tuned a singletrack wheel calm we'll
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have more information coming on this
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bike there is a first-look article with
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loads of photos and loads of details so
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you can jump on our website check out
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that article but all you all you need to
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know about the new 2019 trent 29er
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i'm going to sign off there so i hope
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you've enjoyed watching guys and and I
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will see you next time and we'll see you
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