Up next in 10
Whyte S-120C RS | Why This Short Travel XC/Trail Bike Features Enduro-Worthy Geometry
Mar 14, 2019
Join Wil in the workshop for a live Q&A session on the new Whyte S-120 test bike!
Find out all you need to know right here: https://singletrackworld.com/2019/03/2019-whyte-s-120-rs-first-look-video-enduro/
Show More Show Less View Video Transcript
0:00
and welcome to our weekly live Q&A
0:02
session on YouTube for anyone who's been
0:05
here before welcome back to any one
0:08
brand new welcome and by all means let
0:11
me know if you have any comments or
0:13
questions we've got during this video I
0:14
have a camera and a phone right in front
0:17
of me so I can answer your questions
0:18
they pop up on the screen here so please
0:21
get involved because we're today we're
0:23
gonna be talking about a brand-new test
0:25
bike that I am quite excited about
0:27
oh good morning shed life guide we've
0:29
just had a message come through in
0:31
lightness with this week's wisdom well I
0:35
don't know if there'll be that much
0:36
wisdom shed life guide but I'll do my
0:38
best
0:39
I'll let this bike do a lot of the
0:40
talking because I'm pretty excited about
0:42
this new test bike that's turned up so
0:45
and this only arrived a few days ago I
0:47
just got a built earlier this week and
0:49
you might have seen a first-look story
0:51
on singletrack worldcom and there was
0:54
also a first look video that's been on
0:56
YouTube and on Facebook as well I got it
0:59
out onto the trail yesterday and I
1:01
actually filmed a video took the GoPro
1:02
along had the chest cam on microphone on
1:05
so there's basically a video of me gas
1:08
bagging about this bike riding around on
1:10
the trail very nearly crashing several
1:12
times it was quite exciting I'll be
1:15
editing their video soon so you'll be
1:16
able to see that on YouTube
1:18
if anyone who's joining us at the moment
1:20
is not yet a subscriber and you can
1:22
click that button it's right below this
1:24
video if you hit subscribe that means
1:26
you'll get notified of all the videos
1:27
we're working on in the future
1:29
it also means you'll get notified of
1:31
future YouTube live videos that we're
1:33
doing so we're trying to do this video
1:34
once a week every Friday morning
1:36
ozzie time Thursday evening UK time and
1:39
we'd love for you guys to get involved
1:41
this is a live video I'm not
1:44
pre-recorded you'll be able to tell
1:45
about all the horrible mistakes are
1:46
making through this video so by all
1:50
means get involved let me know what
1:51
questions you've got let me know where
1:53
in the world you're watching from we'd
1:55
love to know and we're gonna be talking
1:57
a little bit later on not only just
1:59
about this bike but also about some
2:01
riding plans for this weekend so without
2:04
further ado I should introduce this bike
2:06
shouldn't I and you can probably tell by
2:08
the title of the video there's a big
2:11
clue there
2:12
is a new bike from white well relatively
2:14
new it's the newest model but these guys
2:16
have done I'm just going to shift this
2:17
camera up a little bit just so I can yep
2:20
there we go that's a bit better right so
2:23
this is the s-1
2:24
20 and it's from UK brand white now most
2:29
of you in the UK obviously be familiar
2:30
with white they're a big in house brand
2:32
in the UK or medium sized I should say
2:34
been around for a while but the last few
2:36
years they've been kicking some serious
2:38
goals with a few different models the t
2:41
130 trail bike and particular model UK
2:45
or Welsh trail and UK or Welsh English
2:49
or Welsh or even Scottish trail centre
2:52
there and not seen at E 130 they're
2:54
everywhere and for very good reason that
2:57
is a really really fun 27.5 trail bike
3:00
130 more trail by this is the S 120
3:02
though this is this is new now the s 120
3:06
is kind of shall we say the spiritual
3:09
successor to the T 1 to 9 T 1 to 9 was
3:12
the first 29er I think that Y introduced
3:15
or at least the first full suspension
3:17
29er
3:18
anyone out there can correct me on that
3:19
one but I believe it was the first
3:21
definitely the first full suspension 29
3:23
that wive released and when it came out
3:25
jeez that was quite a few years ago now
3:28
it was pretty damn radical at the time
3:31
white kind of pushed the boundaries with
3:33
geometry then the T 129 it was quite a
3:36
bit slacker for a 29 especially full
3:38
suspension 29er
3:39
had a really short back end and they had
3:42
a few it had a few ingredients there
3:45
that made it quite a raucous kind of fun
3:47
trail bike and at the time 29 is were
3:50
just sort of cross country there was
3:52
steep and short and kind of awkward and
3:54
really focused on cross country racing
3:56
so hard tails and short travel julie's
3:58
and that white t12 9 came along and kind
4:01
of just made a lot of things a whole lot
4:03
of fun well we got Woodie hard burner in
4:05
the house waving there we go way back
4:07
welcome Woodie thanks for joining and
4:08
thanks for coming back to YouTube live
4:11
with singletrack and myself here and the
4:13
magical singletrack southern
4:15
headquarters I'm going to call it so yes
4:18
so the s120 is is basically the modern
4:21
incarnation of the t1
4:23
- nine White had a year gap where they
4:25
kind of dropped the T one to nine and in
4:29
that time they were working on this guy
4:30
here oh we got missing link MTV watching
4:32
while playing overwatch Oh multitasking
4:35
very impressive
4:37
and so the s120 is their new 120ml
4:41
travel trailer bike and we've got Thomas
4:43
Lee watching from Switzerland welcome to
4:46
the show and we have Matthew here Yeovil
4:48
the Quan talks young Matthew thanks for
4:50
tuning in and would you can't butter I'm
4:52
a great fan Oh fantastic well I'm glad
4:55
you're enjoying the show mate thanks for
4:57
coming back we're we've got this live
4:59
show every Friday or Thursday evening
5:01
and Rees pal all my old neighbor from
5:03
Tobin and hello Reese welcome back
5:06
and of course woody is from Warsaw
5:09
Poland so quite far away from from
5:12
Australia here in Bendigo where I'm
5:13
filming this from but that's a beauty
5:16
YouTube live you could be anywhere in
5:17
the world and you can be joining us here
5:19
in the workshop Matthew says such a nice
5:21
bike yeah I think the the looks are
5:23
growing on me and meet the immediate
5:25
kind of reaction that I had with this
5:27
bike I wasn't totally sold on the
5:29
aesthetics at the end of the day it
5:32
doesn't really matter that much how much
5:33
how how good a bike looks ultimately
5:35
it's what it's like to ride on the trail
5:37
but I must say the looks are growing on
5:39
me a little bit of this s120 all right
5:43
Jenson anyone having doubts about why
5:45
don't buy the damn thing riding the T
5:48
130 RS myself Jenson there is a big fan
5:51
of white if you can't tell Jamie milled
5:53
Jamie mill done we've got hey guys from
5:56
the UK hello Jamie welcome all the way
5:58
from the UK and Tania oh boys back in
6:01
the house hey we'll hate on you no
6:03
thanks for joining and thanks for thanks
6:06
for coming back for YouTube lives so
6:08
yeah we're just talking about the s120
6:11
we've got here you might be familiar
6:12
with White's s 150 now that came out
6:15
last year it was maybe a year and a half
6:18
ago
6:18
oh thumbs up - Tanya oh boy yes
6:20
absolutely I will reciprocate with a
6:22
thumbs up and the S 150 is white 150 ml
6:26
travel 29er enduro bike confusingly mode
6:30
the s in the s 150 stands for switch and
6:34
by that white means you can switch the
6:37
we
6:37
sighs on the S 150 so it's a 150 ml
6:40
travel 29 and you can fit big tires and
6:43
I think it's got clearance of 2.6 inch
6:45
29 or tires but you can switch the
6:47
wheels to 20 7.5 plus and wide actually
6:50
offers an upgrade kit where they sell
6:52
the wheels the tires tubular steel and
6:54
all the tools to switch the wheels over
6:56
which is quite neat mathew saying the s
6:58
150 CR s super nice - yeah very very
7:01
very sweet bike again a very popular
7:04
bike in the UK white being a British
7:07
brand British design British engineering
7:10
very much designed for the UK market and
7:13
very very popular there but they are
7:15
available in Australia there's a guy up
7:17
in Sydney who distributes white has been
7:19
doing it for a number of years the
7:21
distributor's called car buta that's
7:22
where I got this test bike from so on
7:25
the S 150 it's kind of the big burly
7:28
enduro bike and it's then it's
7:29
purpose-built for racing a lot of the
7:31
white enduro team are actually racing on
7:33
that s 150 so white last year about six
7:36
months ago maybe a little less about six
7:39
months ago release this bike the S 120
7:42
now the clue is in the name 120 120 ml
7:45
of travel confusingly though the S does
7:48
not stand for switch on this bike this
7:50
is a dedicated 29er so you cannot run
7:53
27.5 + wheels on this bike so whereas
7:56
the S 150 you can you can fit 27 v + or
7:59
29 this bike is 29 inch only it's a it's
8:02
a bit more of a purist kind of bike
8:04
they've kind of condensed it down
8:06
reduced some of the bells and whistles
8:10
and they've gone this is a 120 ml travel
8:12
29er trail bike
8:13
it's fast it's sharp its agile that's
8:15
what we're doing phrases in the house
8:18
the dropper is supposed to be a
8:20
revelation you're getting a little bit
8:22
ahead of me there Fraser but I will
8:24
indulge you yes revived dropper post
8:27
we're going to talk about that soon very
8:29
very good an interesting Spectras by the
8:32
way so the S 120 so we're just saying
8:35
it's 29 a trail bike 120 will travel
8:37
front and rear balanced front and rear
8:40
maximum tire clearance is fairly slim
8:43
you can only fit according to white a
8:45
2.3 inch rear tire on the back here is
8:48
the maximum tire width for the s 120
8:51
so this isn't this sort of like you know
8:54
you can fit plus tires or you can fit
8:56
semi plus or you can kind of switch
8:57
wheels around they've gone this is what
8:59
we want to do with this bike that's it
9:01
that's where we're designing it and
9:03
engineering this bike around 29a wheels
9:05
two point three is about the maximum
9:07
wheel size it's kind of a burly XE /
9:10
lightweight trail bike so you know that
9:13
kind of that kind of market now
9:16
competitors to this bike we're talking
9:18
specialized Stumpjumper st that's also
9:22
120 mil travel 29er in the grand scheme
9:25
of things with bikes are being testing
9:27
light lately the marina 120 also 120 mil
9:31
travel trail bike a 29 trail bike and
9:34
canyon iran CF we've got the fuel ax
9:38
which is a bit barely a 130 ml front and
9:39
rear but yeah that kind of market that
9:42
we're going forward not quite a
9:43
cross-country race bike you know not
9:45
quite your long travel all mountain bike
9:47
somewhere in between we just had a
9:49
comment popped up there that I think I
9:51
missed the incent yes UK brand and a
9:53
said developed for the UK rides good in
9:55
Denmark - absolutely just because it's
9:58
designed in the UK doesn't mean it can't
9:59
ride elsewhere in the world now I did
10:01
take this bike out yesterday for a bit
10:03
of a shakedown ride so we'll talk a
10:04
little bit about how at least my first
10:08
impressions of riding this bike so there
10:10
are a few things on here that I'm kind
10:12
of excited about white is of course
10:16
quite well known for pushing the
10:18
envelope with geometry and being very
10:20
steadfast in what they believe makes a
10:23
mountain bike ride well and they kind of
10:25
have this very progressive approach to
10:27
geometry which runs through the whole
10:29
range so whether it's kind of a
10:31
700-pound hard tail or you know 5,000
10:35
pound full xtr carbon-fiber bling
10:38
machine they're all designed with a
10:40
similar ethos with geometry and this
10:42
s120 kind of packages that ethos really
10:44
really well so compared to other 120ml
10:47
travel trail bikes
10:48
it is a lot slacker you can probably
10:51
tell in the video this is a really
10:53
accurate representation of how slack
10:54
this is a shared life guy I like the
10:57
spangled wheels on this
10:59
St Stumpjumper not so sure about that
11:02
trust fork oh yes you're talking about
11:04
the Instagram photo that the guys put up
11:06
that was the Stumpjumper Evo that's why
11:09
it's super duper slack I think it's a 63
11:12
and a half head angle on that stump job
11:13
Evo with the trust fork and the spangled
11:16
wheels absolutely bananas so I feel like
11:18
there's some other weird and wacky
11:20
things that can get put on that bike to
11:22
kind of take it to the next level but
11:23
yeah pretty while if anyone's wondering
11:25
what shed laughs guys talking about
11:27
their jump on our Instagram account
11:28
single track Meg and have a look for the
11:31
freakiest bike you'll ever see and
11:34
probably one of the most expensive as
11:35
well it's absolutely bananas anyway back
11:38
to this bike so compared to other 120
11:40
more traveled trail bikes this is
11:42
considerably slacker considerably longer
11:44
as well
11:45
oh yeah that's kind of the thing to do
11:47
at the moment but white really has
11:49
embraced this and has embraced this for
11:50
quite a long time we're not just talking
11:53
about jumping on a bandwagon here this
11:55
is a brand that has been pushing that
11:57
longer and slacker kind of ethos 400
12:00
years and years and years at least as
12:02
long as I've been riding white testing
12:03
white bikes 65 and 1/2 degree head angle
12:07
very very slack for what is 120 mil
12:10
travel trail bike to put that in
12:11
perspective specialized Stumpjumper st
12:14
is 67.5 this is a full 2 degrees slacker
12:17
in the head angle it's really long as
12:20
well so huge long top tube here really
12:23
long front Center the reach on the
12:25
medium s 120 is the same as the reaches
12:30
a large Stumpjumper ST so it's a lot lot
12:34
longer in the front centre 456
12:36
millimeter reaches on the medium I'll
12:39
give you the sizes for the others
12:41
because we've got a small size and this
12:43
is available 432 in the small 456
12:48
millimeter and the medium 480
12:50
millimeters in the large and if you want
12:53
an XL now for the tall riders out there
12:55
this is very very good news
12:57
504 millimeters that's the the reach for
13:01
the extra large frame size so it is huge
13:04
it is really really big
13:05
now why it's kind of been about this
13:07
long reach kind of you know short back
13:10
end long for
13:11
10 for quite some time so Fraser says
13:14
the same head true bangles my rayon yeah
13:17
exactly it's it's a few people commented
13:20
on the first look video and have gone
13:22
65.5 that's not that's lack it is for a
13:26
bike like this given how little travel
13:28
it has in the fact it's it's a burly
13:30
crush country bike you know it's it's
13:31
not the Stumpjumper evo yeah that's
13:34
slacker of course Orbea rayon that's a
13:36
150 mil 29 or I think so to put it in
13:40
perspective it's it's very slack given
13:43
the type of bike that it is for sure so
13:47
yeah very very long very slack white has
13:50
rained that in with a short little 40
13:52
millimetre long stem so it's very very
13:54
short stem now you get that stem length
13:56
whether you get a small medium large or
13:58
extra large so in in White's belief the
14:01
handling the front end steering should
14:04
be the same whether you're on a small or
14:05
an extra large so they optimized every
14:08
frame size around the same stem length
14:10
and handlebar width as well I should add
14:13
so forty millimeter long stem 780
14:15
millimeter wide handlebars so although
14:18
you have that enormous reach you know
14:20
the short stem and wide bars kind of
14:22
bring the grips back to you so it
14:24
doesn't feel like you you know you're on
14:25
a super long awkward cross-country bike
14:27
they kind of bring the handlebars back
14:29
to you with that short little stem we'll
14:31
just had a comment come through there
14:32
from good soul so is such a slack bike a
14:35
pig to handling low speed twisty stuff
14:38
excellent question
14:41
part of what we were just talking about
14:43
there about that forty millimeter long
14:44
stem aside from bringing the bars back
14:47
that shorter stem gives you more
14:49
leverage over the front wheel so this is
14:52
kind of the balancing act with going to
14:54
such a long such a long front centre and
14:56
such a slack head angle if you can bring
14:58
that stem link down you speed up the
15:00
steering so I mean I've only had one rut
15:03
I've only had one ride on this bike so
15:05
far I need to go take it to some local
15:08
test loops that do have really tight
15:10
uphill switchbacks which is usually a
15:12
good test for that kind of steering
15:13
geometry but that short stem so far that
15:16
short stem it does keep the front wheel
15:18
fairly responsive given how long you
15:22
know the front of this bike is the other
15:24
key ingredient to agility as well is it
15:27
does have quite a short back in 430
15:30
millimeter chainstay lengths so that's
15:32
shorter than the e X it's a lot shorter
15:35
than the canyon neuron it's 5 mil
15:37
shorter than the Marita 120 it's it's
15:40
quite short I mean you can go shorter
15:42
than that that you're gonna start to run
15:43
into issues with front end lifts on on
15:48
the climbs as well so for 30 maybe
15:50
that's the limit I don't know but but it
15:52
does mean that this bike feels and
15:55
handles a lot of them probably what you
15:58
think it would given how slack it is in
16:00
the head angle there Mark Davies is
16:02
asking a question here what is the
16:03
perfect head angle for a trail bike
16:06
great question I mean how long is a
16:08
piece of string that's a that's a really
16:10
good question it's a really difficult
16:12
one to answer because there are so many
16:13
attributes to geometry of course you've
16:16
got hat angle that is one number in the
16:17
equation we've got things like reach and
16:20
stack so how tall the head tube sits off
16:22
the ground how far away the head tube is
16:25
from the bottom bracket has - how long
16:26
your reach is we've got things like stem
16:29
length handlebar width you know stem
16:30
high end of our position you've got bar
16:33
roll there are all these attributes that
16:35
combine for coughs it that's another hot
16:38
one at the moment
16:39
pork offset because of course the trail
16:42
measurement is influenced by head angle
16:44
and fork offsets so it's impossible to
16:47
say that one head angle is better than
16:48
the other because there are so many
16:50
attributes that go together in a trail
16:51
bike if I want to give you an answer
16:54
though cuz that's me just kind of
16:57
beating around the bush for a trail bike
17:00
if we're talking about this kind of 120
17:02
130 ml John rrah
17:03
most trail bikes are settling somewhere
17:05
between 65 and a half and about 67 and a
17:08
half degrees in the head angle so that
17:11
seems to be the new-school kind of
17:13
numbers for this type of trail bike so
17:14
hopefully that gives you some kind of
17:16
answer and and I'm not trying to cheat
17:18
you out of a response there but it's
17:20
worth bearing in mind that when you're
17:22
looking at a geometry chart it isn't
17:24
just about one number it's not just
17:26
about the head angle it's not just about
17:27
the seed angle it's about how everything
17:29
interacts together and you'll find that
17:33
the result of the riding package that
17:36
you get on the trail is much more than
17:38
just
17:38
number on the paper so hopefully that
17:40
helps give you a little bit of
17:41
information there about that so I might
17:44
talk about this frame because there's a
17:46
lot of really interesting features on
17:48
here which which I think add up to a
17:50
really interesting write quality
17:51
Matthew is asking a question here we've
17:54
got I'm in the market for a bike of this
17:56
type so torn between the canyon CF 9.0
18:00
and this I take you you mean the canyon
18:02
neuron CF 9.0 we're talking about trail
18:04
bike 29 trail bikes can't help but feel
18:07
the canyon is better value if we're
18:10
talking about the neuron CF versus the s
18:12
120 here so far and as I said I've only
18:15
had a ride on this yep neuron alright so
18:17
we're talking about the same bike I've
18:19
only had one ride on this but they are
18:21
very very different bikes like opposite
18:24
ends of the scale so whereas the neuron
18:26
is you're kind of more X like a
18:29
long-term long legged cross-country
18:31
bikers the way I've described it before
18:32
a long legged cross-country bike with
18:35
sharper geometry it's got a firm
18:37
suspension design sort of pedals really
18:40
well even in the open position you can
18:41
just pedal on that bike it's very
18:43
responsive really good feeling through
18:45
the pedals but it's very much on the XC
18:48
side of the spectrum this on the other
18:50
hand is way way way way way over on the
18:52
kind of all-mountain enduro side of the
18:55
spectrum yes it only has 120 ml of
18:57
travel but so far on that ride I did
18:59
yesterday
18:59
holy mackerel does it wanna go fast it's
19:03
ridiculous
19:04
actually how quick this bike wants to go
19:06
but how calm and calculated it feels at
19:09
high speed and a lot of that is that
19:12
geometry coming into play that long
19:14
front center that slack hit angled we
19:17
also talked about fork offset soon as
19:18
well but also the suspension design as
19:21
well it's more open and active compared
19:23
to the suspension design that Canyon
19:25
uses on the neurons so the suspension
19:27
feels quite different it doesn't feel
19:28
quite as efficient as the canyon but
19:31
it's more active and open so very very
19:33
different bikes yes so although they
19:35
might look similar on paper the ride
19:38
quality on the trail is quite different
19:39
so have a think about whether you want
19:41
that kind of cross country bike for long
19:44
climbs you know you you want to do big
19:47
days in the saddle but you're not doing
19:48
as technical
19:49
or a steep descending that can you might
19:51
be the better option if you want to get
19:53
your party on the trail this might be a
19:55
better option so there we go
19:58
Jensen is saying I've never seen any
20:00
other brand which is good whether /water
20:02
ceiling is white being a British brand
20:04
yes very very important my white tea 130
20:07
RS from 2016 has a reach of 450
20:11
millimeters in a medium long already
20:13
then and 420 mil chainstays yes because
20:16
your bike has smaller 27.5 inch wheels
20:18
white kind of slam that change their
20:20
length nice and short that t 130 is a
20:22
really good bike that was a long-term
20:23
test bike of mine a couple of years ago
20:25
and i really really enjoyed it Mathews
20:29
going back to the Kenyan Iran versus
20:31
white s120 conundrum I don't know I love
20:34
both types of riding n plus one yes
20:36
that's correct
20:37
the the answer your question is just get
20:39
more bikes Jensen saying he should sell
20:43
white bikes okay yeah we will try and
20:47
avoid this becoming too much of a white
20:48
love-in but I can't help but get excited
20:51
about new bikes it's kind of my job and
20:53
and why I enjoy doing my job so
20:55
apologies if I get a little bit excited
20:56
I'm not trying to sell the bike I'm just
20:59
getting excited about what about riding
21:01
it so yeah we're talking about this
21:03
frame so this is the 120 C RS now the C
21:08
stands for carbon in typical white
21:10
fashion this is a hybrid frame so we
21:13
have a carbon main frame we have an
21:15
alloy back-end we've got a comment come
21:18
through here from Len if you're in
21:20
between sizes which way would you go oh
21:22
that's a tricky question because this
21:25
bike is so long I'd be hesitant about up
21:28
sizing I would definitely not fit the
21:30
large this already feels kind of roomy
21:33
you know kind of big so well that's a
21:36
really good question I know why it has a
21:38
really strong demo fleet in the UK so if
21:41
there was any chance that you could demo
21:42
one or at the very least go into a bike
21:44
shop and swing your leg over one both
21:47
the medium and large that will answer
21:49
the question for you but yes very good
21:52
question in other brands I would
21:53
normally say up size if you can but
21:56
because this is already quite a long
21:58
bike because it is that kind of reduces
22:00
the need to up size it
22:02
he comes with a short stem and why bars
22:03
so if you went to a larger size you
22:05
can't really go much shorter on that
22:08
stem lead you could go to a thirty three
22:09
millimeter 33 35 ish you know or pitch
22:15
NTP dent Baron stem if you wanted to go
22:17
really short but then you're gonna start
22:20
player air mess around with whites
22:21
perfected handling on this bike so yes
22:25
so being so long it does limit your
22:27
ability to go to a big size and pretty
22:29
sure stem on so if I were you I would
22:31
try and swing my leg over a bike in a
22:34
shop or organize a demo if you can so
22:37
yes so the frame itself we're talking
22:39
about this carbon fiber monocoque
22:40
mainframe alloy back-end Jensen was just
22:44
talking about the weather sealing on
22:45
this bike it is pretty impressive so we
22:48
have internal routing through the
22:49
downtube here we've got this rubber
22:51
grommet up here at the seat tube this is
22:53
like a little rubber condom which
22:54
basically stops water or reduces the
22:57
amount of water and greatly can get
22:59
through the seat tube which will then
23:00
hang out at your bottom bracket which is
23:02
generally a place you don't want water
23:03
accumulating so this little rubber
23:06
sleeve here they've been doing this for
23:07
years by the way it's not a new thing
23:09
they've also got a hidden C clamp system
23:12
this is called the inter grip system
23:13
it's basically an internal wedge so
23:16
you've got your seat post into inside
23:18
the frame and a wedge this when you
23:19
tighten up the bolt the wedge presses on
23:22
the seat post in a nice long surface
23:24
area gives it lots of friction and and
23:26
it means that you've got this nice clean
23:29
assembly here without a traditional
23:30
quick release clamp or a Bolton clamp
23:33
well I've got more questions comments
23:35
coming through here I'm just gonna say
23:36
right now I'm probably not going to be
23:38
able to answer every question because
23:39
we've got a lot of people watching this
23:41
video so just if I miss your question
23:43
apologies but there are a lot coming
23:45
through Taunton is asking a question
23:48
will have you tried the t1 30 2019 yet
23:51
how does the s 20 compared to the t1 30
23:54
no I've not this is the first one I've
23:57
written for a little while now for a bit
23:59
over a year the t1 30 of course is brand
24:02
new as well for 2019 2019 or 2018 okay
24:07
stretching my memory a little bit there
24:09
so that the s-1 20 is the 120 mil travel
24:12
29er t1 30 is
24:15
7.5 130 mile trail by interesting you
24:19
bring that up because they're actually
24:20
share the same mainframe so this carbon
24:23
fiber frame on the s-1 20 C is the same
24:27
carbon main frame as the t1 30 see a lot
24:31
of numbers of letters there but yes they
24:33
do share the same main frame the the
24:36
back end is all unique so this is a 29
24:38
at specific back end for the S 120 and
24:40
the T 130 comes with its own 27.5 inch
24:43
alloy back ends of welded alloy back in
24:45
here the shock length is different as
24:48
well so the eye-to-eye length that is
24:50
the total length of the shop from pivot
24:52
bolt to pivot bolt it's 210 millimeters
24:55
and that's the same on both bikes the
24:56
stroke however is different this is a 50
24:59
millimeter stroke so it's a metric shock
25:01
it's 210 by 50 millimeters and with this
25:04
quad link 4 bar suspension design so we
25:06
have a full bar arrangement here with a
25:09
horse link type pivot near the chain
25:11
stake down the bottom of the drop out
25:12
there on the chainstay we get 120
25:15
millimeters of travel so fairly low
25:17
average leverage ratio on this the t 130
25:21
comes with a slightly longer stroke 55
25:23
millimeters which gets you 130 mil of
25:25
travel thomas lee is in the house and he
25:28
is saying i'm not in the market for
25:29
buying a new bike and I'm a small person
25:31
162 centimeters but my question will it
25:34
feel too big like with 29a wheels and
25:37
aggressive geometry and wine handlebar
25:38
at 162 centimeters and so you're a good
25:43
15 centimeters shorter than I am so the
25:46
small is even yeah you're absolutely
25:49
right it may possibly still be too big
25:51
it's difficult for me to say whether it
25:54
is or isn't because things like inseam
25:57
your arm span as well so you know how
25:59
long your arms are and how long that how
26:02
comfortable that reach is gonna feel I
26:04
would suggest speaking to white about
26:05
that and as we mentioned before someone
26:08
was asking about if you're in between
26:10
sizes get to a bike shop that stocks
26:13
white and see if you can sit on a small
26:15
frame size and you'll be able to find
26:17
out very quickly if it's too big or not
26:19
but yes very good question if you're
26:21
outside the size range and you can also
26:23
get in touch with white directly I'm
26:26
sure those guys will be more than happy
26:27
to help you out
26:28
we sizing advice right we're going to
26:32
talk about next
26:33
Oh lifetime pivot they're bearing
26:36
warranty that's pretty cool huh so this
26:39
is the thing that white has had since
26:41
day one since the PRS t1 did it does
26:45
anyone remember the Preston the original
26:47
white full suspension bike designed and
26:50
engineered by John White himself that
26:53
was probably the most ugly bike that has
26:56
ever existed on the market now that's a
26:58
bike that we should put that trust for
27:00
can distinguish but anyway ever since
27:05
day one Mathew say yet was mental it was
27:08
proper mental I think that bike needs to
27:10
come back personally I think I think the
27:12
markets now ready for that kind of
27:13
technology back then oh that was like
27:16
the DeLorean wasn't it it was it was
27:18
unbelievable
27:20
but anyway ever since day one white has
27:22
provided a lifetime bearing warranty on
27:25
all of their full suspension bikes now
27:27
the fine print as I understand
27:29
please don't take my word for it check
27:31
with white on this but as I understand
27:33
that's valid for the original owner and
27:35
basically you just you get that through
27:37
your local white dealer or white
27:39
distributor if you're in another country
27:40
like Australia and it basically if these
27:43
if the cartridge bearings in here wear
27:45
out
27:46
White's done a lot of things to make
27:47
sure that doesn't happen but if they do
27:49
they'll replace them free of charge for
27:51
the original owner so so that's pretty
27:53
cool I know Santa Cruz does that as well
27:55
with their suspension bikes too but yeah
27:59
really really neat kind of after sales
28:01
service just a small thing something
28:03
that you probably wouldn't think about
28:04
too much when you buy a new bike but if
28:06
you've got one of these and you've had
28:07
it for a couple of years and the
28:09
bearings start to get a bit scratchy
28:10
that's the sort of thing that gets a big
28:13
thumbs up from me so big cartridge
28:16
bearings in these pivots the the pivots
28:18
themselves why oversize White's not a
28:21
lot here to improve stiffness through
28:23
the back end so we've got large diameter
28:25
cartridge bearings big pivot axles as
28:28
well actually pulled a couple of these
28:29
apart yesterday and they are very very
28:31
chunky looking so yeah and and in terms
28:35
of the sealing that they use they use a
28:37
special grease on the outside of the
28:38
bearing not just inside but out
28:41
to provide another barrier for water and
28:43
water and dirt and grit from getting
28:46
through into the bearings in the first
28:47
place and there's also an outer bearing
28:50
shield as well so they've kind of gone
28:52
all out to try and keep everything as
28:54
sealed up as well as possible but if
28:57
those bearings do wear out and you're
28:58
the original owner white will replace
29:00
them which is pretty damn cool well
29:02
we've had good soul is in the house and
29:04
it's saying is have any white owners in
29:06
here made use of that bearing offer yes
29:08
not that's a really good question and if
29:10
anyone's watching this if you own a
29:12
white mountain bike specifically a white
29:15
full suspension bike we'd be really
29:17
interested to know if you have worn-out
29:19
bearings and if you've pursued the
29:21
lifetime bearing warranty be good to
29:22
hear some first-hand knowledge there
29:24
we've got loads of people tuning in here
29:26
now onto this live video if you're
29:27
enjoying this please give me a thumbs up
29:29
for this video and I'll also let you
29:31
know we've got a lot of questions and
29:32
comments coming through I'm probably not
29:34
going to be able to answer all of them
29:35
so I apologize if I don't get to your
29:37
question while we're doing this video
29:38
Jensen is saying or Jensen Jensen I'm
29:42
going for yinsen nope my bearings are
29:44
from May 2016 and just serviced the rear
29:47
damper and check them all all in hundred
29:49
percent working on it that's pretty
29:50
impressive so nearly three years old now
29:53
that's the T 130 you're on isn't it and
29:56
against it is just saying that the
29:59
bearings are still running smooth which
30:00
is pretty impressive so obviously the
30:02
attention to detail the white puts into
30:03
this pivot system bear in mind there are
30:06
UK brand and in the UK there's a lot of
30:09
wet weather riding so it's very
30:10
important to make sure the frame is
30:12
sealed as best as possible to minimize
30:14
that kind of bearing wear and tear over
30:17
time so yet very impressive bearing
30:20
system on here I will continue talking
30:22
about bearings but mostly the main pivot
30:24
now white has been on this one by
30:26
bandwagon for a long time so a lot of
30:28
brands now are getting into one by
30:30
specific frames so we're talking about
30:33
frames that will not fit the front
30:35
derailleur I think before even before xx
30:39
one the original xx one white was
30:42
actually got word that that SRAM was
30:45
bringing out a 1 by specific group said
30:47
and 1 by 11 drivetrain and then when
30:49
sweet we're into that we were British
30:52
brand let's say goodbye to the front
30:54
derailleur
30:54
let's say goodbye to two chainrings on
30:56
the front we can do a whole lot with a
30:58
one by specific frame so that was what
31:00
six years ago now I think seven years
31:03
ago wasn't 2000 2011 2012 yeah so it's
31:08
ages ago when xx1 first came out anyway
31:12
white kind of went full in with the with
31:15
the one by specific frame design so no
31:18
front derailleur is on their bikes for
31:19
quite some time and they call this scr
31:23
single chainring design and it's allowed
31:26
them to do a few different things so
31:28
mostly it's about adding stiffness to
31:30
the back end and it's also about keeping
31:33
the back end nice and short so here we
31:35
have a boost drivetrain so boost 148 by
31:38
12 mil spacing on the back obviously
31:40
with the boost drivetrain everything
31:41
comes away from the frame by three
31:43
millimeters compared to a conventional
31:45
drivetrain so your boost drivetrain the
31:47
chainring comes away from the frame by
31:49
three millimeters that gives you a
31:51
crucial amount of clearance down at the
31:53
chainstay yoke to play with so what
31:55
white has done there is their slam that
31:57
back end as short as they can 430
31:59
millimeter chainstay length the alloy
32:01
chain stays on here are really quite
32:03
beefy though so they've used all of that
32:05
available space there what they've also
32:07
done is the main pivot is super wide
32:10
it's it's as wide as it can physically
32:12
be so they've got those two big
32:14
cartridge bearings that put them as wide
32:16
as apart as they can big axle through
32:19
there big pivot assembly and that's all
32:21
about strength and stiffness through the
32:22
back end so they want to give more
32:24
rigidity to the rear end of this bike by
32:27
using that really wide main pivot and
32:29
it's all because this is a one by
32:31
specific frame but also they've just
32:35
made use of all of that available real
32:37
estate down there so there's that main
32:39
pivot comes quite close to the
32:40
chambering in here it's also to do with
32:43
tire clearance we're talking before
32:45
about the somewhat limited tire
32:47
clearance on this bike 29 by 2.3 is the
32:51
official maximum tire clearance on the
32:53
back of this way so no you cannot fit
32:56
2.5 or new-school 2.6 inch tires in the
32:59
back of this bike they won't fit I'll be
33:01
trying just to find out to make sure
33:03
because there is the fair bit of
33:04
clearance around this tie here but I
33:06
think white is gone.we
33:07
to build this bike around 29 by 2.2 2.3
33:11
inch tires
33:11
it's a burly cross-country bike it's a
33:13
lightweight / trail bike type thing and
33:16
these are these sorts of with tires are
33:19
perfect for this type of bike and that's
33:21
what we're going for its aggressive
33:23
geometry it's designed for aggressive
33:25
riding so they've they've they've traded
33:28
that up the ability to run those kind of
33:31
semi plus tires for running that back
33:33
end nice and short from having that nice
33:35
big broad main pivot and they kind of
33:38
say if you want really fat tires and if
33:40
you kind of want more suspension than
33:42
this go the S 150 because that bike has
33:44
lots of tire clearance and extra
33:45
suspension but if you want that sharp
33:47
kind of purposeful trail bike the s 120
33:50
s for you that's what white says
33:54
doo-doo-doo-doo alright Thomas Lee
33:56
saying I've got to go now getting quite
33:57
late here 11 p.m. oh wow well thanks for
34:00
staying up late to watch the video
34:01
Thomas but awesome livestream and you
34:03
explained very well thank you very much
34:05
I appreciate you joining in for the live
34:06
video and thanks for all the questions
34:09
and comments along the way good soul is
34:11
saying is that cable routing looping
34:13
under the BB shell I don't really like
34:15
this as I had the cables rub into the
34:16
middle of a bike in the past yes they
34:19
certainly are so their internal through
34:21
the down truth and they pop out
34:22
underneath the bottom bracket and we've
34:24
got internal gear cable routing through
34:26
the chainstay
34:28
so that just eliminates any kind of
34:29
change slap issues with the cable there
34:32
the brake hose does run externally along
34:34
the chainstay
34:35
you are absolutely correct though if you
34:37
do have cables running on the outside of
34:39
the frame underneath the bottom bracket
34:41
you do have to be careful with routing
34:42
if the length isn't right if the angle
34:45
isn't right if those cables are kind of
34:48
splaying apart chances are you will have
34:50
issues with rubb on the frame somewhere
34:53
so you do have to be careful about that
34:55
what's worth doing is letting out air
34:57
pressure from the rear shock compressing
34:59
the suspension and just checking the way
35:02
that the cables move underneath the bike
35:04
I'll admit I'm always a bit skeptical
35:06
about exposed cables in this area of the
35:09
bike because it is an area where rocks
35:11
can like smash up and hit things and
35:13
potentially damage that view cable or
35:16
heaven forbid that brake line it has
35:18
happened before not to me personally but
35:20
one of my fellow testers
35:21
he actually had a hardtail with external
35:24
routing underneath the downtube and he
35:27
actually cracked open a brake hose from
35:30
a rock that split it in half halfway
35:32
down a descent which was terrifying but
35:34
he was okay luckily didn't crash but yes
35:36
you do they you know there's a certain
35:39
amount of what's gonna happen there but
35:41
I think as long as they're the length is
35:42
right as long as they're routed
35:43
correctly which this has come out of the
35:45
factory pretty good so I've got no no
35:48
concerns there personally but I will let
35:50
you know if we do have any issues I have
35:52
this bike for a while so this is a
35:54
proper test bike that I'll be reviewing
35:56
the single track worldcom there will be
35:58
a full video on YouTube as well on this
36:00
bike too so we'll let you know if we've
36:02
got any durability issues there
36:04
Stephen is saying hello hello hello
36:06
Stephen welcome to the live stream radio
36:10
so we're just talking about suspension
36:12
design pivots we're talking about frame
36:14
technology geometry if you've got any
36:16
questions for me about this bike
36:17
dropping into the comment section right
36:19
there I'll do my best to answer them for
36:22
you
36:22
I want to talk about this fork because
36:24
we have a 120 millimeter travel fork and
36:26
that's to balance the rear travels from
36:28
120 on the front 120 on the back and
36:30
this is a Fox 34 fork now it's not just
36:33
any Fox 34 flow it's the step cast
36:36
design so it has the slender lowers its
36:38
purpose built around 120 millimeters of
36:41
travel so it's kind of the lightweight
36:43
version of the regular 34 Forks so it's
36:46
the step cast version so the weight is
36:49
somewhere around sixteen hundred and
36:51
fifty grams i have not weighed this
36:52
specific form but i've been testing the
36:55
step cast for myself on other bikes and
36:57
i can confirm it's about 200 grams
36:59
lighter than a regular 34 so quite a bit
37:02
of weight savings in the front end and
37:04
the other interesting thing about this
37:06
fork is that all we've got trail torque
37:08
MTB in the house welcome trail talk MTB
37:10
looks amazing I will
37:12
hello trail talk MTB thanks for joining
37:14
us
37:15
yes I was just saying before I think the
37:17
aesthetics of this bike are growing on
37:18
me for sure I also like the stance you
37:21
know it looks mean it's super long and
37:23
it's slack and it's kind of low it's got
37:25
this very nicely proportioned feel about
37:28
it 44 millimeter fork offset that was
37:32
what I was
37:32
getting to there so white has been in
37:35
too short for cough sets for quite some
37:37
time so although it seems like a hot
37:40
topic at the last year White's been like
37:42
hey we've been doing this for years guys
37:44
like get with the program and a lot of
37:47
their even their cheap hard tails have
37:49
had short for cough sets for I don't
37:51
know five or six years now so we're
37:53
gonna talk about that in the moment but
37:55
Steven tom is saying how's the weight
37:57
well I can give you the weight it's
38:00
pretty well I would say hefty I would
38:03
say solid is the weight this complete
38:06
bike here without pedals without the
38:08
bottle as well so the bear bike as it
38:11
comes out of the box with the tires
38:13
setup tubeless that's important because
38:15
these wheels do come with tubes fitted
38:18
but they also the bike comes with valves
38:20
in the box and the rims are already pre
38:22
taped for to blur set up the tires are
38:25
also tube is compatible so all you need
38:27
to do is take the tubes out put some
38:28
sealant in the tires and they will set
38:30
up tubular which is pretty cool medium
38:33
sized we've got here this is the s 120 c
38:35
RS 13 point three five kilograms so that
38:39
just comes under fit well it does come
38:41
under the 30 pound mark twenty nine
38:43
point three seven pounds so there you go
38:45
so not super light especially compared
38:47
to some of the other trail bikes I've
38:49
been testing lately giant trans 29 is
38:51
lighter by by good five six hundred
38:54
grams
38:55
marita 120 s lighter and Euron slider
38:57
they're all in the 12 kilo mark this is
38:59
thirteen point three five so it's pretty
39:01
solid really trail talk MTB that's
39:04
pretty good considering how hard you
39:06
could push it yes
39:07
why does build this bike - for more
39:09
aggressive riding so they haven't held
39:11
back on some of the spec choices on here
39:13
the frame itself is under three kilos
39:15
according to white their claim is two
39:18
point seven eight kilograms two thousand
39:21
seven hundred and eighty grams that's
39:23
for a medium frame with the rear shock
39:25
and hardware so it's not bad really
39:27
under three kilos given the kind of
39:30
geometry on this bike and how aggressive
39:31
it's meant to be ridden I've got weights
39:33
on wheels and tires let me know if you
39:35
want to know those as well
39:36
Tom strange I know not specific to this
39:39
bike but do you think we're going to see
39:41
be seeing a lot of these short travel
39:42
light fast trail bikes
39:44
yes I think we already are I think the
39:47
the last few test bikes that I've got in
39:49
the house and that I'm currently testing
39:50
are all along this kind of progressive
39:54
geometry aggressive trail bike so
39:56
putting that kind of enduro style
39:59
geometry into a short travel trail bike
40:01
chassis I think we're gonna be seeing a
40:03
lot more of those in the near future
40:04
there are already quite a lot on the
40:06
market and the last 12 months
40:07
it's the brands have been going hot on
40:09
this sort of thing GT sensor that's a
40:12
twenty nine a trail bike 130 more travel
40:14
front and rear that new trance 29er I've
40:16
been testing which is an absolute
40:17
shredder very aggressive geometry on
40:20
that bike and here we've got the s-1 20
40:22
from Wyatt as well and if you looked at
40:25
the geometry of this bike and you didn't
40:27
know the travel and you're gonna guess
40:28
you would say it's definitely a 150 ml
40:30
travel bike but it's not it's 120 it is
40:33
designed as a short travel lightweight
40:35
trail bike slash Burley XC bike but with
40:38
that sixty five and a half degree head
40:40
angle that huge reach yeah it's pretty
40:43
progressive that's for sure trail talk
40:44
MTB is saying I I find it a bit weird
40:46
that the Geo is so aggressive but the
40:49
spec is a bit tame like the S 3034 in
40:51
the tires yes you're absolutely right
40:54
so the we're talking about the Fox 34
40:56
step cast for quite a lightweight fork
40:58
and we've also got Max's tires on here
41:01
we have a 2.35 inch for caster on the
41:03
front and a 2.25 inch cross mark to on
41:07
the back now I will save this I've only
41:09
had one ride on this bike so far
41:10
yesterday I was out shooting videos with
41:13
this bike I had the GoPro on a
41:15
microphone on and you'll be seeing that
41:17
video in the very near future of me kind
41:20
of fumbling my way through my first ride
41:22
on this bike getting the cockpit dial in
41:25
suspension settings tire pressures all
41:27
the rest of it there was one dissent I
41:29
did and I thought I was nearly gonna
41:30
tear the tires off this bike they can be
41:33
a very very light weight the tires are
41:35
kind of you know the cross mark is kind
41:37
of fun because it's it's a cross country
41:40
tie it's so low profile but because of
41:42
the short back end in that long front
41:44
centre the back kind of just steps out
41:46
like really easily but in a kind of
41:49
controllable way that's really fun I'm
41:53
going to be seeing that how that goes on
41:55
a few other different types of trails
41:57
next couple of weeks but to be honest I
41:59
don't foresee these tires lasting very
42:01
long on this bike I think I'm going to
42:03
destroy this rear tire in particular so
42:06
yes lightweight tires and that 34 step
42:09
cast book versus everything else which
42:12
is kind of you know pointing towards
42:13
super aggressive riding but I guess
42:16
that's the thing with most stock bikes
42:18
right is that the tires that they come
42:20
with tires are like shoes you know
42:22
they're generally designed for a
42:23
particular purpose so most riders who or
42:26
customers will be looking at buying this
42:28
bike will go well I ride you know I ride
42:31
in Lake District so I'm going to need
42:32
two point three inch Max's shorty on the
42:35
front and a two point three inch D hr2
42:37
on the back so you can you can do that
42:39
you know change the tires change the
42:40
personality the bike quite quickly
42:42
according to the trails that you ride in
42:44
your riding style this world but yes the
42:47
tires at least on my kind of first
42:49
impressions I'm thinking they're
42:51
probably not going to last too long
42:53
Tom Strangelove them I think it's way
42:56
more practical than lugging an enduro
42:58
bike around all the time great live
43:00
stream thanks for enjoying Tom and
43:01
thanks for thanks for watching glad
43:03
you're enjoying I should say and yeah
43:06
we're just talking about getting on a
43:07
kind of progressive fun poppy aggressive
43:10
trail bike versus being lot of big
43:12
travel enduro bike that's kind of dumpy
43:14
and big and maybe a bit uninspiring to
43:17
ride first impressions of this is very
43:20
lively very poppy I wasn't actually
43:22
expecting that I thought because it's so
43:23
long and slack it was going to feel a
43:25
bit too grounded that ain't the case
43:27
it's it's quite happy to kind of pop and
43:30
jump off things and I think a lot of
43:31
that has to do what aside from the
43:33
suspension design that short back end as
43:35
well quite compact rear end 430
43:38
millimeter chain same length very stiff
43:40
as well with that pivot system and that
43:42
broad main pivot as well all aluminium
43:44
back end to so you can definitely feel
43:46
that stiff tracking that rear wheel
43:49
tracking really well because the stiffer
43:50
your end right you've got any more
43:53
questions come through here Jensen oh
43:55
yeah this ain't got to go it's 12
43:57
11:23 p.m. here any questions on a white
43:59
tee 1:30 feel free to contact me ride
44:01
safe awesome thanks for joining in
44:03
Edison and thanks for staying up so late
44:05
and anyone who's watching this live
44:07
stream right now if you're enjoying give
44:09
us a thumbs up if you got any questions
44:10
we drop them in the comments section
44:12
below we're doing this video every
44:14
Friday morning Australian time Thursday
44:16
evening European time I shall say or UK
44:19
time and yes we'll have plenty more
44:22
videos coming for in the future and if
44:24
you've not subscribed yet if you're
44:26
watching this and you're going what the
44:27
heck is this all about but I'm enjoying
44:28
it there's a subscribe button right down
44:30
there you can click that and you'll get
44:32
notified of all of our live streams in
44:34
the future and all the videos I'm
44:36
working on including the first ride
44:37
video on this bike which I will say is
44:40
rather entertaining if I don't yeah
44:43
you'll see that very very soon I think
44:46
I've kind of covered a lot of stuff on
44:47
here but what I will mention just a
44:49
quick-fire kind of run through the spec
44:51
trial talk MTB is saying they're so
44:53
expensive in Australia any plans to
44:54
reduce prices no idea about prices to be
44:57
perfectly honest I'm still waiting for
44:59
confirmation on pricing from car-boot or
45:01
on this bike so if you know the retail
45:03
price on this bike better be great
45:05
because I don't right now I only know
45:07
that UK retail price which is three
45:09
thousand four hundred and ninety nine
45:10
pounds good salt at will which trail
45:14
bike do you own that you bought with
45:15
your own money the answer that question
45:17
is none I own no mountain bikes I don't
45:20
own any I have a road bike in a
45:22
commuting bike and those are the only
45:24
two bikes that I own that I bought with
45:26
my own personal money
45:27
I don't own a mountain bike because I
45:29
spend a lot of time testing them and at
45:32
the moment I have one two three four
45:33
test bikes on the go at the moment so
45:36
there'd be no point in me owning my own
45:37
bike because I just wouldn't ride it I'd
45:39
be writing test bikes all the time I
45:41
basically write every day sometimes
45:43
twice a day and to try and get as many
45:45
miles on what kilometers even on various
45:49
test bike swapping wheels and tires
45:51
around cockpits even Forks sometimes as
45:54
well so all of my available time goes
45:56
into testing bikes so yes in the answer
45:59
the question I don't know any mountain
46:00
bike myself stephen tom is saying
46:03
opinion on forecaster my personal
46:06
opinion I don't like it I'm not a big
46:07
fan of the forecaster tire it performs
46:11
well it's fast I'll give it that for
46:13
sure and it performs well if it's if the
46:16
conditions are good its it's a fast
46:18
rolling tire so if it's sort of
46:20
hard-packed but not too loose over hard
46:22
if you've got kind of nice
46:25
soft loamy kind of you know gentle kind
46:28
of forest type trails it's a great tire
46:30
anything outside of that I find it to be
46:32
to drifty and I find the knob height is
46:36
really shallow the sidewalls are quite
46:38
thin as well so to run at lower
46:41
pressures to get a little bit more
46:42
mobility to the tire i've already
46:45
shredded one on a different test bike on
46:48
the back of the Morita 120 that comes
46:49
with a 2 3 5 4 caster but whenever
46:52
you've got kind of loose rocks or
46:54
anything that's kind of gnarly this tire
46:56
it's too drifty for me for my liking but
46:59
I'm at the moment I'm kind of trending
47:01
towards burly and more aggressive tire
47:03
so I'm a big fan of the minion DHR 2 at
47:06
the moment getting along with that
47:08
Bontrager SC 5 XR 5 XR 4 SC for those
47:11
kind of tires specialized butchers I
47:14
haven't written the new Eliminator but
47:16
that looks really good as well so I'm
47:17
kind of trending towards that kind of
47:19
aggressive tire because I'd rather have
47:21
more grip than not enough I'd rather a
47:23
really grippy sticky
47:24
confidence-inspiring tire that's slow
47:28
compared to a much faster time that's
47:30
kind of drifty and sketchy that's my
47:32
personal thoughts Stephen st. DHR dhf
47:35
heavy laggy ties absolutely they are not
47:38
fast tires whatsoever if you're racing
47:40
if you've got any inspiration
47:44
aspirations you do not want to be we're
47:47
talking about cross-country endurance
47:49
racing you do not want to be on those
47:51
tires that's for sure but for having fun
47:53
and for maximizing traction out of your
47:55
bike very very good tire combo tom is
47:58
saying what is your or is asking a
47:59
question here what is your favorite bike
48:01
that you have tested that you'd own if
48:03
you had to all right we're getting a
48:04
little bit off-topic here Tom but that's
48:06
a great question I would suggest going
48:09
to single track WorldCom and searching
48:11
for Editors Choice Awards
48:13
you'll be able to see my Editors Choice
48:15
Awards for 2018 and 2017 I believe
48:18
they're both on the website and that
48:20
includes I think there's one two three
48:22
four bikes on there four of the best
48:24
bikes that I personally ridden over the
48:26
past couple of years the one that stands
48:28
out to me is the robot R 130 that bike I
48:32
tested that last year for the magazine
48:33
that bike was absolutely phenomenal make
48:36
me feel like a superhero
48:38
robot r130 so if you searched for that
48:40
on single track WorldCom you'll find my
48:42
review of that and I would recommend
48:44
checking that out because it was a
48:46
barrel
48:46
load of fun marker saying what brakes
48:48
are on the white excellent mark thank
48:50
you for the Segway
48:51
we were going to talk about speck on
48:52
this bike so let's talk about brakes
48:54
these are SRAM guide are s's I like that
48:57
white has gone for the RS over the R or
49:00
the guide T because the IRS has the
49:03
swing link in the lever now this is
49:05
basically a little linkage that changes
49:07
the leverage between the brake lever and
49:10
the master cylinder the main piston in
49:12
the lever the swing link is really
49:14
important for adding additional leverage
49:17
towards the end of the stroke so you get
49:20
quite fast kind of pad movement to begin
49:21
with it's very similar to the servo wave
49:23
technology that Shimano uses as an air
49:25
brake levers anyway basically the guide
49:28
RS lever versus the guide our lever
49:31
which doesn't have the swing leg the
49:33
guide RS is much much better
49:34
particularly for power towards the end
49:36
of the stroke so you get a lot more you
49:38
know when shit's getting real and you
49:39
really need to oh my god I need to slow
49:41
down I'm gonna get off that cliff you
49:43
get a lot more deep stroke power with
49:45
these guide rs is 180 ml rotor on the
49:47
front 160 ml rotor on the rear I believe
49:50
the larger size has come with 180 front
49:52
and rear but this being a medium we've
49:54
got 180 on the front 160 on the rear
49:57
interestingly the rear has a flat mount
49:59
which is actually a road bike standard
50:01
floor disc brakes but Cannondale has
50:03
been using flat mount on the scalpel and
50:07
also on the FSI hardtail white has been
50:10
doing it on some of its newer bikes as
50:12
well very very neat in terms of the
50:15
frame assembly itself but I found it
50:17
really fiddly setting up the rear brake
50:19
on this there's a couple of extra bolts
50:20
there and a bit of extra movement
50:22
there's a little bit difficult to kind
50:24
of tune and get that the pad sent it
50:26
over to the rotor but yeah interesting
50:28
expect design there Mark Davies full pot
50:31
or 2 pot the SRAM guide brakes have four
50:33
Pistons the SRAM level brakes which you
50:37
might be thinking on how to Pistons
50:38
they're the cross-country brake SRAM
50:40
guide brakes are your kind of trail or
50:42
mountain enduro brake and then the codes
50:45
are the downhill brake they're also for
50:47
piston but they're for bigger diameter
50:49
Pistons for more power so this is a
50:51
Stram guide rs4 piston break we've got
50:55
white stone handlebar and stem we
50:56
mentioned that before 780 millimeter
50:58
wide bars be bars short 40 millimeter
51:01
stem I think one of the most exciting
51:04
spec choses on here is this revive
51:06
dropper post so bike yoke not many
51:10
people will be familiar with them that
51:11
you'll probably you'll know of this
51:13
dropper post I think by qyx started out
51:15
by making custom shop yokes for
51:17
specialized enduros and stump jumpers if
51:20
I'm not mistaken but anyway they're
51:23
doing some other products now including
51:25
this excellent dropper post this thing
51:27
is without doubt the most slippery
51:30
smooth drop post I've used is there's
51:33
basically next to no friction once you
51:36
hit that drop of post I'm going to see
51:37
if I can compress it now there we go
51:40
do you want it join it will see this
51:41
dropper come up let me move on this side
51:43
are you ready for this you ready just
51:45
have a listen
51:46
whoa it's quick and it's got a really
51:50
really definitive funk when it gets to
51:53
full travel so when you're banging them
51:56
out on the trail I noticed yesterday you
51:58
can hear it you always know when that
52:00
saddle is return to full height I really
52:02
like that Fox transfer the newer
52:04
generation RockShox reverb the newer
52:07
generation KS live dropper post as well
52:09
specialized command drop and post as
52:11
well they all have that really positive
52:13
top out clunk and it's good because you
52:15
can hear it which is not always possible
52:18
with some dropper post so 160
52:21
millimeters stroke that's huge for a
52:23
medium-sized I've been complaining about
52:25
a few bikes have been riding lately
52:26
medium frames that are coming with 125
52:28
milk droppers why it's gone now we're
52:31
not doing that 160 ml all the way so
52:34
that's been made possible by a
52:35
relatively short seat tube but also
52:38
because the revive dropper it's very
52:40
shallow the height of the external
52:42
bushing or collar up here it's one of I
52:45
think if not the lowest stack height
52:48
drop a post that you can get on the
52:50
market and that basically gives you more
52:52
room to play with to get more travel and
52:53
so I'm not too far away from the kind of
52:57
maximum high duck minimum height I could
53:00
be running here so that's perfect that's
53:02
fantastic 160 ml of travel
53:04
and of course it's got that revive
53:06
function so if you get the squishy drop
53:08
a post vibe where air gets inside IFP
53:10
you can actually flip that lever
53:12
compress the dropper let go of it pop it
53:15
back up and it recirculates the oil the
53:18
air back out of the oil and where it
53:20
should be which is pretty cool we've got
53:25
seat tube length really good question I
53:27
don't know that off the top of my head I
53:28
think I want to say 4:35 it's under 440
53:32
I'm pretty sure it's 440 or less I'm
53:35
really yeah I'm coaching at straws here
53:37
but I know it's under four hundred and
53:39
forty millimeters for the medium frame
53:41
size white bike I think is the website
53:44
if you want to have a look at the
53:45
geometry or single track worldcom we've
53:47
got a first-look story on this bike with
53:49
all of that information
53:51
I cannot remember and I didn't write it
53:52
down I'm very sorry about that
53:55
Steven Tom for 35 still long for a
53:59
medium frame size no I don't think so
54:02
a lot of other brands like you've got
54:04
fueling X that I was doing the video on
54:06
last week that's 441 442 Canyon you're
54:10
on CF now that's too long that was 445
54:13
for a medium seat tube way too long but
54:16
obviously big German brand like Kenyan
54:18
believes that's the correct size for
54:20
that frame so that's what they built it
54:22
around but I would say for 35 10
54:25
millimeters shorter than that Canyon
54:26
you're on I wouldn't say this is long
54:28
but hey it depends on what you want I
54:31
mean if you wanted to run a 200 mil
54:33
dropper post then yeah absolutely the C
54:35
tube is too long
54:37
but obviously there's a balance to be
54:38
had there with how compact that frame is
54:42
going to get versus how stiff you want
54:44
the whole structure to be and I know why
54:46
it's paid a lot of attention on this
54:47
s120 this carbon-fiber mainframe is
54:50
pretty burly it's not the lightest on
54:51
the market that's for sure but they have
54:53
built it to be burly stiff to track well
54:56
and basically be supportive of the
54:59
riding that this geometry is capable of
55:01
so so yeah not the lightest bike we were
55:04
talking before about thirteen point
55:06
three kilos for this complete bike
55:07
without pedals without the bottle but
55:10
yet they're more robust in general oh
55:13
we've got Billy Bob basher medium is 431
55:16
thank you very
55:18
Thank You Billy Bob Basha for confirming
55:20
the C tube length on this phone for 31
55:23
millimeters there you go so that's how
55:25
that's how they've been able to fit that
55:27
huge 160 ml dropper post I have short
55:29
little stubby legs my seat height is
55:31
quite load for my height so even on this
55:34
medium frame size I've got no issues
55:36
with fitting this big 160 ml dropper so
55:39
big thumbs up to white there for putting
55:40
that short seat tube on we're just
55:42
arguing about see two links and thank
55:45
you Billy Bob Basha for correcting me on
55:47
that measurement loving the fact that
55:50
medium sizes are getting shorter seat
55:51
tube so people like me you can get
55:53
better reach absolutely I think that's a
55:55
big trend we're seeing across the
55:57
mountain bike industry across all frame
55:59
sizes where seat tubes are getting
56:01
shorter in order to facilitate longer
56:04
drop a post which is fantastic I mean
56:06
we've had some lately come through Fox
56:09
transfer that's 175 rock trucks reverbs
56:11
175 you've got the 9.8 dropper post the
56:15
full line that's available 200
56:17
millimeter stroke which is a huge
56:19
dropper post but to be honest every time
56:22
I've tried a dropper post that's longer
56:23
travel than what I'm used to I've taken
56:26
a couple of rides to get used to it and
56:28
then you go back to a shorter travel
56:29
dropper post and you kind of think hmm
56:32
I'd really like the extra 10 20 ml of
56:34
travel now you kind of get used to it
56:35
so and appreciate it too there is a
56:38
limit obviously you know even as the
56:40
seat comes down here it starts getting
56:41
quite close to the rear tire at full
56:43
compression so there are limitations
56:46
there also when you're going down really
56:48
steep stuff and you're kind of hanging
56:50
over the back of the bike especially
56:51
with the 2900 because the bigger wheel
56:53
you start to run into issues with
56:56
hitting your ass on the rear tire on big
56:58
compressions when it's really really
56:59
steep so there are limitations as to how
57:02
low you can go or how low is it's useful
57:05
to go but in general yes shorter seat
57:08
tubes fantastic we're seeing a longer
57:10
drop post which is great I don't know if
57:13
I've got any other details on there oh
57:14
we've got race face rims we'll just
57:18
quickly talk about the wheels these are
57:19
27 millimeters wide these are offset a
57:22
RC Rooms alloy rims full complement
57:25
spoke J been spokes so normal spokes
57:28
we've got 32 spokes on the front 30
57:30
two spokes on the rear very normal you
57:33
know workshop friendly build steel
57:35
bearing hubs these are white hub steel
57:37
bearings but they are sealed to the
57:39
wazoo so we're talking before about some
57:40
of these frame features these rubber
57:43
seals that white uses on here to
57:45
weatherproof its frame and Oh Len is
57:48
asking threaded bottom bracket yes of
57:50
course it's a threaded bottom bracket so
57:52
another UK friendly feature easily
57:55
serviceable easy to pull that bottom
57:57
bracket the threaded BB is worth
57:59
shouting about in my opinion yeah
58:00
absolutely if you saw the first look
58:02
story on singletrack worldcom one of the
58:05
features that I wrote about was the
58:07
threaded bottom bracket so a lot of
58:10
brands going press fit system but yeah a
58:12
lot of people particularly in the UK
58:14
seem to be a little bit press bit phobic
58:16
maybe they've had press with bb's in the
58:18
past that have been creaky and noisy and
58:20
have had poor durability that threaded
58:23
system simplifies things as far as being
58:25
able to pull it out bang a new one in
58:27
it's a lot easier than having to tap out
58:30
a press fit press bit bottom bracket
58:32
cups I should say what does the hub
58:35
sound like well we'll see if you can
58:37
hear this can you hear that have you got
58:41
that mark it is a six pole system and I
58:47
believe there's something like it's over
58:51
50 points of engagement I haven't
58:52
actually checked yet but it feels like
58:54
around sort of fifty to fifty four point
58:55
engagements so six Paul engagement on
58:58
that rear free hub it is sealed very
59:01
very tightly so at the moment it's got
59:04
quite a lot of seal drag I presume
59:06
that's going to break in embed in over
59:08
time that's something I'll be monitoring
59:09
myself but definitely just rolling along
59:12
you can feel a little bit like the rear
59:14
brake is rubbing because the seal on the
59:15
back is so tight but I believe wife does
59:19
that with their hubs because they want
59:20
to seal the hubs and the bearings inside
59:22
and the freehub mechanism from water and
59:25
dirt and mud from getting inside and
59:27
over time those seals should in theory
59:29
bedding but I'll let you know once I've
59:31
had some more riding on this bike sorry
59:35
just dropped him so this is max hello
59:37
max welcome to the video max we're just
59:39
talking about how big of the disc brakes
59:40
and good soul is very kindly answer
59:43
one ad on the front 160 on the rear
59:45
Thank You good soul and there you go max
59:47
yeah so SRAM guide Irish breaks here 180
59:50
front 160 rear yes so I think we've kind
59:53
of sorry max we've kind of covered both
59:56
the details and you just tuned in I
59:58
don't know how long week we are through
1:00:00
this video
1:00:00
oh we've gone over an hour so well done
1:00:03
everyone for hanging out with me for an
1:00:06
hour in the workshop if you've enjoyed
1:00:08
this video please give me a thumbs up
1:00:10
and if you this is the first time you've
1:00:13
joined us before make sure you hit that
1:00:15
subscribe button just down there it's
1:00:16
somewhere underneath the screen here
1:00:18
because you'll get notified of all the
1:00:21
live videos that we do in the future and
1:00:23
that way you can join us from the start
1:00:24
and I've got a lot more videos I'm
1:00:26
working on I've got a video on the
1:00:28
Murray 2:120 trail bike coming next week
1:00:30
we've got a first ride video on this
1:00:32
bike coming next week I filmed it
1:00:34
yesterday I still need to edit it but I
1:00:36
will have hopefully have that coming
1:00:38
next week and I'm also doing a video on
1:00:41
fork off set testing that is a long time
1:00:43
coming I wanted to get that done
1:00:45
earlier this year but I've had more test
1:00:47
bikes come through with reduced offset
1:00:49
Forks so I've been swapping Forks around
1:00:51
on different test bikes getting
1:00:53
different feedback handing them around
1:00:55
to other testers and I've been chatting
1:00:58
to a lot of interesting people including
1:01:00
in our Alexander one of the chief
1:01:02
designers from white Chris Porter from
1:01:04
geometry on we've been chatting the
1:01:06
track specialised pivot cycles Scott
1:01:09
Canyon loads of different brands loads
1:01:12
of different companies getting lots of
1:01:14
information about fork offset trail
1:01:16
geometry front end handling and so I
1:01:18
have a detailed video coming about that
1:01:20
and a detailed article on the website as
1:01:23
well so yeah I'm gonna leave it there I
1:01:25
hope you've enjoyed watching this live
1:01:27
Q&A video on the white X 120 hopefully
1:01:30
I've given you a bit of information
1:01:31
about this bike but if there's anything
1:01:33
you're kind of what the heck is that for
1:01:35
let me know in the comments section
1:01:36
below put your questions there and if
1:01:39
you're gonna make feedback or comments
1:01:40
on this bike do you like it do you not
1:01:41
like it let me know
1:01:43
drop those your feedback in the comment
1:01:45
section as I said before give us a
1:01:46
thumbs up for the video subscribe for
1:01:48
more videos and if you want to read the
1:01:50
detailed first look article on the
1:01:53
website singletrack WorldCom we've got
1:01:56
semesters
1:01:57
I messed that semester where are you
1:02:00
it's daylight outside I'm in Australia
1:02:02
and in the future it's Friday morning
1:02:04
here so I can confirm that Friday is
1:02:07
going to be fantastic for you so you've
1:02:09
got a great Friday to look forward to
1:02:12
presumably it's Thursday evening
1:02:13
wherever in the world you're watching
1:02:15
from album blur really enjoyed my tea 1
1:02:18
to 9 this byte looks also will stick
1:02:19
with my 1t 130 though yes so the T 130
1:02:22
we're talking about that before that's a
1:02:23
27.5 130 mil trail bike this is the 120
1:02:27
mil travel 29a trail bike so you know
1:02:29
they're occupying a similar space but
1:02:32
but yeah I'd love to get a ride on that
1:02:34
T 130 at some point hello from the past
1:02:37
peak districts indeed indeed I'm sure
1:02:42
it's a bit darker where you are and late
1:02:44
as well so thumbs up to everyone who's
1:02:47
watching on a late on a Thursday night
1:02:49
in Europe somewhere and now everyone
1:02:52
watching from the UK as well thank you
1:02:55
so much for joining in the video thanks
1:02:57
for all your questions all your comments
1:02:58
this it makes it a load of fun for me so
1:03:01
make sure you tune in next Friday
1:03:03
morning Australia time / Thursday
1:03:06
evening UK time I'll be doing another
1:03:08
live video then I don't know what on
1:03:10
I'll kind of work that out next week but
1:03:13
make sure you tune in and as I said to
1:03:14
subscribe and you'll get notified of
1:03:16
those videos when they come through
1:03:17
alright guys I'm gonna head off thank
1:03:19
you so much I hope you enjoyed the video
1:03:21
and same time yes that's the plan same
1:03:24
time 8:30 a.m. in the morning which is
1:03:26
9:30 p.m. in the UK so that's the plan
1:03:30
next Friday next Thursday night see you
1:03:32
guys then hope you have a fantastic
1:03:34
weekend filled with riding goodness make
1:03:37
sure you get out there catch up with
1:03:39
mates drink beers eat great food ride
1:03:41
bikes have fun I hope you have a Ripper
1:03:43
weekend and I will see you on the other
1:03:45
side of it next week and we'll chat to
1:03:48
you guys then we'll see you next time
#Sports