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welcome to the making up the numbers
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single track hello everyone and welcome
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to episode 2 of season 2 of the making
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up the numbers podcast I'm George
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Thompson and we're doing something a
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little bit different tonight for the
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studio show due to the corona virus
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outbreak we're recording this podcast
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via zoom and the video will be available
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if you prefer to watch us chat on the
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singletrack youtube channel co-hosting
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with me tonight once again is jack
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reading are you doing jack I'm good how
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are you oh good we're all good you
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keeping yourself into turn yeah just
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about in these strange times we're
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living in there is one plus side though
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the wife can't go to work so I've got a
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live-in maid so this should have been a
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host kind of world cut round one episode
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and we should all be frothing at the
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mouth at the season that lies ahead but
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instead we're all locked behind closed
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doors well how are you how are you
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filling the time yeah I mean it's it's
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just weird all that build-up we're ready
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to go and then all of a sudden we're
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stuck in limbo so yeah just usual still
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have training and milling around and
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there's not what we can do but you were
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out in Portugal weren't you went right
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when you heard the first round with
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council yeah we left on the Monday
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morning at 10:00 and we got to Spain at
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1:00 p.m.
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lunchtime on the Tuesday and we're all
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ready to light up with two weeks about
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four hours later we found out everything
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was canceled so that was obviously a
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real bummer we we thought we thought we
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got two weeks we can push and train and
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ride in and then five or six days into
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the trip we found out that we're gonna
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have to leave because Spain was shutting
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down the borders so yeah it was an
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expensive expensive trip three and a
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thousand-mile for six days but these
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things happen you know everyone in the
2:28
world suffering from it so it was yeah
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is it completely rubbish start to the
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year to the season
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but you know it'll be what it'll be so
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let's crack on I guess tonight doesn't
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really need any introduction we'll be
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here all night if we start listening
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everything he's won so let's just say
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he's the two-time world champion the
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current British national champion its
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Danny Hart welcome to the show Donny
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thank you how are you getting on with
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the lockdown yes not been too bad for me
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really nothing I've been treating it
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like a little bit of a training country
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if you like because all you're allowed
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to do is exercise outside I'm going to
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push my hour I've been out on the road
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bloke a few times and I haven't been
3:17
doing anything to to Dan dressage did on
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the road ever got off road bus with the
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NHS and all this putting them under too
3:26
much pressure and I've been pushing my
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social media because that's all we can
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do right now with all these brands that
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sponsor us to go racing and being the in
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the spotlight it's really difficult now
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with just having social media I guess
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and yeah we just got to be content
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creators now for a bit I think I'm a
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little bit better at through this time
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because I usually but I still do like
3:55
here talking into my father I'll often
3:58
put my phone up to film myself talking
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some people are just natural as I aren't
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there any yeah another thing is it's
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shown our sponsors what we can actually
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do with social media so when they're we
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still shooting ourselves in the foot a
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little bit
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well yeah really yeah really busy
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offseason you got married and little
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said he was born how are you finding for
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motherhood
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it's been really good like like Siri was
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born and that a couple of days later I
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flew out to Portugal to do some testing
4:41
with the team now Sophia's Sophia's mom
4:45
was here so
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that enabled me to go and do what I have
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to do for a few days oh if it wasn't for
4:51
her that I wouldn't I wouldn't have been
4:53
able to go so thing would gone through a
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few of the stages of having a baby
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already like the first two weeks she
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seemed to sleep really quite well and we
5:03
were like oh this is amazing I got an
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easy one yeah and then as time went by
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it all changed a little bit and then
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she'd sleep all day and then nine
5:15
o'clock would come and would turn the
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lights out to well sleep in her eyes
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would open and then midnight I think it
5:23
was and then now she's just doesn't
5:26
really say to him what you all so I
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found myself in the spare room tryna a
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good night's sleep all the [ __ ] she had
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be just over six weeks right and he's
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soft for your loving having yet harm yes
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if he has been really good with Sandy
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like I obviously it's hard for me to do
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anything to be able I think Sofia is
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happy that I'm here for the first few
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months of said his life and she's also
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quite happy I'm wrong because it means
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she's not missing the first world she
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was a little bit good about that with
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with her being a big part of my program
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and for the last five or six years she
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hasn't missed a World Cup so and she
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wasn't meant to be coming to loser so
6:13
she's probably secretly was in the got
6:17
cancelled yes I was gonna ask actually
6:19
like obviously after such a busy
6:21
offseason with all that stuff going on
6:23
when loser got postponed we you kind of
6:26
secretly thinking oh that's quite nice
6:29
that's that's going to be a bit later or
6:30
were you chomping at the bit were you
6:32
ready to go
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no I was ready I've been working as hard
6:36
as I could through the time I've been
6:37
training a lot but I had a lot of other
6:40
things going on around training so that
6:42
didn't allow me to maybe rest as much as
6:44
I would've liked but like I was saying
6:46
before I'm treating this now like a
6:48
little bit of a training camp because
6:50
all I can do is train and be in my house
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whereas before I would train and then
6:57
make my friend for coffee or go and do
6:59
this called the bike shop good and just
7:02
mints around whereas now it's train
7:05
being the horse again it's been I'm
7:12
trying to see the best in it even though
7:14
it's a really bad situation if we will
7:22
in a bid to be a bit more professional
7:24
I've tried to steer away from the kind
7:27
of stories and anecdotes this season on
7:29
the podcast but if you kind of forgive
7:31
me this once because this leads quite
7:33
nicely into where I'd like to start and
7:35
it's about the first time we met I don't
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expect you to remember that done it but
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did you have any recollection of when it
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was Saturday the 17th of May 2014 it was
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at the SDA a forest and there's a reason
7:55
that I remember he's so clearly it's not
7:57
because I'm some kind of like psycho
7:59
stalker bear in mind that yes that SDA
8:03
was my second ever down Hilary Benn and
8:05
you'd already been world champion so I
8:08
don't think I've ever mentioned it on
8:09
the podcast before but my day job I'm a
8:12
live event producer and I'm really lucky
8:14
I get to work with some pretty
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high-profile pretty high-profile people
8:18
and the reason I remember our first
8:20
meeting so vividly is that on the
8:22
Thursday before that the fish being from
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there I was in London I was producing an
8:25
awards ceremony and I either had Kim
8:28
Kardashian and Kanye West there or Paris
8:30
Hilton occurring them which one of those
8:32
it was but I remember I had Richard Lee
8:34
grandpa I've got I had eluded Nixon
8:38
doing a live performance and the hosta
8:40
was and and the producer of the show sir
8:42
it's my job to manage all these people
8:45
and you know basically make sure they're
8:48
doing what we need them to do and you've
8:49
got you don't be a pretty confident kind
8:51
of guy to be able to make that happen
8:52
you need to be able to break the ice
8:54
pretty quickly anyway all goes well the
8:57
feel finishes the early I was a Friday
8:58
morning and then on Friday afternoon I
9:00
Drive up from London all the way up to
9:02
2a and on Saturday morning I'm sat on
9:04
the up with boss and you sit down next
9:07
to me and as well you know it's quite a
9:10
long uplift today
9:11
but I didn't say a single word to you
9:14
till we got off and then I think I
9:15
managed it all right
9:17
stage fright because it's Danny [ __ ]
9:21
high in it yeah I'm just yeah I'm just
9:26
gonna look like Nick yeah whatever I say
9:28
I'm gonna like a dick in the fact that
9:29
I've gone from me in these kind of
9:32
people well I'll manage you in these
9:33
kind of megastars classify them in kind
9:39
being dumbstruck and not say a word a
9:41
word to you it's always really stuck
9:43
with me and I'm guessing the hype the
9:45
kind of hysteria all stems from that
9:48
will chumps running chambray and the
9:50
press that came from that first question
9:53
how did that run kind of change your
9:54
life and did the video the one we all
9:56
watched a million times kind of have a
9:58
bigger impact than winning the world
10:01
champ itself well I was asked this
10:07
recently in another interview that I
10:10
just didn't it's quite difficult to
10:12
answer like what it did for me because
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it's all just it just happens and you
10:16
don't really when you young you don't
10:18
really think about it it's old just you
10:20
take it in your stride so it probably
10:23
did open a lot of doors for me there was
10:24
a lot press I was going all over to buy
10:27
jewels and here there and everywhere
10:29
I've been pulled from pillar to post so
10:32
then there's also new sponsors and I got
10:35
new paths and I buy cars with RockShox
10:37
at the time and was on the black box
10:40
program and I think it was a shock that
10:43
they're just brought and they saw
10:46
put my name on it I was in all the test
10:49
videos and stuff like that the main
10:52
thing that changed for me was I saw
10:54
secured myself was being one of the
10:57
elite riders that can actually win not
11:00
just thinks he can win or maybe he's won
11:04
nationals I was done this but I actually
11:06
won at the top level and and I'd I had
11:09
been knocking on the door all season so
11:11
I think the impact the biggest impact
11:18
was
11:18
I don't think even still I don't if I
11:24
want to show someone that video I don't
11:25
stay with by this video videos got 5
11:28
million 6 million views are you sure why
11:32
so I became world champion it's not it's
11:35
like it's arguably well he's the most
11:37
famous downhill run in history pink bag
11:39
dinner favorite run of the last decade
11:42
Paul at the end of last year I don't
11:43
know if you saw that and it had her of a
11:45
double the number of us of the next
11:47
contender which was Gwynn's chen was
11:48
running lair gang would you still do a
11:51
run like that now within that last jump
11:53
I think I'd ride exactly the same like
11:59
99% of it I guess and maybe now with
12:03
hindsight and knowing how tight the gaps
12:05
are maybe wouldn't it in the whip book
12:07
who knows it depends it depends I was
12:11
feeling on the dam I probably told
12:15
myself I wasn't going to do that then as
12:17
well and I did yeah when you were on the
12:23
bike on that run remember in back did it
12:25
feel as sensational as it turned out to
12:27
be because that's the only word you can
12:28
use for it I guess when I think bucket
12:30
it was just a normal room for that week
12:35
like no no did that full week like it
12:38
didn't really change like my room didn't
12:41
really change much even with the
12:42
conditions I did all the same lines and
12:45
everything like yeah don't know if
12:47
you've ever ridden jean paree but this
12:48
summer switchbacks at the top and on one
12:51
of them on the World Cup you can cook
12:53
one of them and you you can either go
12:56
around or you can go I know exactly
12:57
which one you mean is it still did the
12:59
inside and stuff like that way I don't
13:02
feel like anybody else did and then I I
13:04
did that like near-vertical drop in the
13:08
woods of the videoing yeah I just try to
13:11
exactly the same because like it's one
13:14
of them things with it being the world
13:16
champs it's all or nothing so if I'd
13:19
have fallen off seven seconds old and I
13:23
was seven seconds up and it was all
13:26
going to be really good yeah I could
13:28
have I could have fallen off and still
13:30
going
13:31
we've only been by a second maybe yes no
13:34
I don't like I think that one that dear
13:40
was maybe a little bit ahead of its time
13:43
like I think even that one would have
13:46
still been good enough in a couple two
13:49
three four years oh yeah yeah yeah nice
13:55
well so that was 2011 and then by your
13:57
standards you went a bit quiet and then
14:01
came back with a big bang in 2016 and
14:04
then one round five six and seven in the
14:07
series and then went on to win world
14:08
champs we saw Josh do that a couple of
14:10
years before and then Omri did it in
14:12
2018 how important is confidence to you
14:17
and did you feel you were a level above
14:20
or unbeatable any stage during that 2016
14:23
season what was going on during that
14:25
year oh yeah
14:26
confidence is like a massive thing like
14:30
all of 2016 I was having a really good
14:33
year I trained really hard so I took a
14:38
lot of confidence from that I was using
14:40
a manual called sure that's mastered to
14:43
take confidence from my bike was good
14:46
that's more confidence it's a fear with
14:49
me my mechanic was excellent the team
14:51
was really good that year so I was just
14:53
I had confidence in everything but one
14:56
thing I try not to do is take conference
14:58
from results because as you seen from
15:01
myself when the results go away and what
15:04
happens with the confidence your
15:05
confidence just dropped so like you have
15:10
like a book and you fill it with
15:11
everything with the origin and it's
15:13
brimming with confidence from winning
15:16
races and then you lose the race and you
15:19
lose another race and then all the
15:22
things might happen and then your
15:23
confidence is all the way down in the
15:24
dumps and you haven't got any anything
15:26
from that so I do try and tear condoms
15:29
from other areas other than actually the
15:33
results from areas that you're more in
15:35
control of I guess yeah that's exactly
15:37
again you you can do whatever you can in
15:40
a race and you're knowing control
15:43
of everything so I definitely tried
15:47
intere condoms in other areas other than
15:49
results but if happy where sir is a fast
15:56
eraser and that and good results make
15:58
you happy so it is it's a fine line of
16:02
figuring it all out but they're almost
16:03
like the icing on the cake yeah I didn't
16:08
think I was unbeatable on that day
16:09
because
16:14
it's hard like I got three good races
16:17
obviously so I was brimming with
16:18
confidence as he would be like walking
16:21
around like look at me I'm in everything
16:24
I took confidence for the last rest of
16:28
that season with the world champs in my
16:30
preparation I'd obviously had a good
16:34
good races I had to put bike on domain
16:36
and everything all squared away and the
16:39
result is down to me so and I'd been to
16:42
Valle de Sol previously to practice as
16:45
some stuff and ride the track because
16:48
you know how brutal that track is and
16:51
when you turn up and you do it first for
16:53
an on Friday it's absolutely like what
16:58
the hell am I going to do it this is
16:59
just like an absolutely I don't know
17:02
where to start but I'd already had that
17:05
previously every year I've been survivor
17:08
salt reducing two or three days before
17:10
the race because every time I do go and
17:15
practice they're after my first three
17:17
rooms I'm thinking thank God I'm not
17:20
gonna feel like this three or four runs
17:23
into my first day and you're like you
17:27
can do it the track to open so why not
17:29
so I did everything in my power at that
17:33
dear for world champs to sort of have
17:37
the feeling that I'm unbeatable because
17:39
I had done everything that I couldn't
17:42
you had full belief in yourself Gordian
17:43
isn't your rest room
17:44
nice chronologically but the next thing
17:47
that stands out to me oh yeah the next
17:50
thing I remember it was that was bowel
17:52
nod the following year whoa that was a
17:55
wild run how close were you to crash him
17:58
when you got booked on that final
18:00
section yeah I guess it was pretty
18:02
awesome like you get to there and I know
18:05
you're tired like your arms I don't
18:08
really get a hand pump I guess but like
18:10
you will be tired just through what
18:13
you've done previously I guess I think
18:15
every birth ridden mr. Jack's with no
18:18
beer and you know if you know what it's
18:19
like and it was really hot so the bikes
18:22
probably not working as efficiently as
18:24
you'd like
18:25
and I got down there and and you're that
18:27
closer to finish you just want to push
18:28
that extra bit so yeah it's pretty close
18:32
but you do have normals like that well I
18:35
do anyway quite often how many times
18:38
crushing a seasoned onion and how how
18:40
close to the edge of crashing are you
18:43
you know on in a World Cup weekend I
18:46
think like through practice I'll crush
18:49
maybe a few times some like some
18:52
weekends out crush a couple of times but
18:55
come the restrooms like I'd like to
18:57
think that I've got everything figured
18:58
out I know how hard I could push in this
19:00
section that section yes I don't crashes
19:06
meant as much as some guys do but I do
19:08
crush a little bit like 2017 I had quite
19:12
a few have crashed a few times obviously
19:15
we had logs the first World Cup which is
19:18
a little bit of a an outlier but then I
19:21
crashed involved us all and then a
19:23
crashed in Fort William so that's three
19:25
races there that we're just done and
19:27
when you did that massive bruise on your
19:29
like was that for William I remember was
19:33
when I was that horrible walk and stuff
19:35
in the trees oh yeah bruised was 2015
19:40
yeah okay so moving on to them 2018 the
19:46
title of the season video for you guys
19:47
was chasing naught point three after the
19:50
2018 world champs how hard was it was
19:53
that result to take and you feel like it
19:55
made it easier for you finishing third
19:56
not second or was it was it tough one I
20:00
guess I'd rather finish second so why do
20:06
you think you only told me why you think
20:09
you're a rider finished second day it's
20:12
the bonus would have been a little bit
20:17
that really you racing to win like I
20:21
just said about Shaun three like if I'd
20:24
have fallen off it would it would have
20:27
mattered yes it definitely would have
20:28
mattered when you're racing for that one
20:31
race is all or nothing on the day so
20:33
you're racing to win and being that
20:35
close yeah it really sucked well I had a
20:38
good
20:39
and I was beaten that was that like
20:41
everybody I say everybody the two people
20:44
that beat me would fantastic but it was
20:47
it was I was just really happy also to
20:50
bring a whole medal home yeah for
20:53
Madison Saracen conducts I'm pretty sure
20:58
that was their first senior medal of the
21:01
world championships in the men's class
21:03
yeah yeah I got beat by better people on
21:07
the day I and I was my best self on the
21:08
deer so did that leave me hungry at the
21:11
end of last season
21:15
yeah I guess I guess so yeah not so much
21:21
to be found always you're nothing like
21:24
the like now going to the new season
21:28
like after winning the World Cup like I
21:31
did last year I was rare I was really
21:34
raring to go
21:35
yeah not like a third of my chance
21:39
didn't it wasn't like until last season
21:46
then it was an incredible season and and
21:50
you played a a massive part in it you're
21:52
only off the podium once in the entire
21:54
world cup season taking and you took the
21:56
win at the last round in Scenario fourth
21:59
in the overall with 1,130 three points
22:03
national champ again you must have been
22:05
happy with it Xavier be research I did I
22:12
was happy with how the season started
22:15
with the second America obviously I was
22:18
going to be happy with that was less
22:22
than half a second of the win with Lord
22:24
taking the win there but then after that
22:27
I just wanted more I wanted to win
22:29
because I've been so close and Maribor
22:31
and he just wasn't really happening for
22:33
me all girls doing everything I could
22:36
know is just I was leaving races quite
22:39
disappointed and disheartened with just
22:41
podium finishes but I was doing
22:43
everything I could just was consistently
22:48
the same amount of time off maybe borrow
22:50
a couple of times but I guess it was
22:52
good dollars leaving each race each
22:55
weekend disappointed with a poor job
22:58
cause it sure though it's expecting a
23:00
lot of mice Alton did seem to pull it
23:02
together at the end at its fastest in
23:05
qualifying like lens our hide
23:08
I was fastest in the practice session at
23:12
the Hobart worlds and little snow she
23:14
were fastest in qualifying in the final
23:19
so yeah it was good nice
23:22
so last year there was four guys who
23:24
stood out being super consistent
23:25
yourself like Oh Murray and Troy what do
23:30
you think it takes to be consistent week
23:32
in week out at that speed because you
23:34
guys are on the limit yes I've been
23:41
there for quite a while I think I I
23:43
first started to be one of those guys
23:45
where I'm on the podium most weekends I
23:48
think I started probably 2011 if I was
23:52
on the podium a few times before winning
23:54
the world champs I think it's just a
23:57
kiss and you've got to live and breathe
23:59
me blocks her cross all your T's and dot
24:02
all your eyes day in day out that cannot
24:04
leave any stone unturned it you have to
24:07
look after yourself
24:08
I think staying injury free is is a
24:12
massive part of it as well like
24:13
touchwood I got a couple of in the world
24:18
I wouldn't really say injuries about one
24:21
I had my shoulder in 2012 which really
24:25
look at that season below than that not
24:29
that many big injury so yeah and looking
24:32
after yourself is huge okay so I'm I've
24:38
lost my spot there we go so another guy
24:40
under the Madison 10 with you guys is
24:42
Matt Walker young guy podium contender
24:46
super motivated towards going fast and
24:48
racing talk us through your relationship
24:51
and map because I know you guys get on
24:52
real well yeah so I first officially met
24:56
Matt when I signed with the team I
24:57
didn't really know I'm not before they
24:59
know that was the seniors making
25:01
Sonique than junior and whatnot but yeah
25:05
me might get on really well and I think
25:08
it's cause we're very similar like we
25:10
both just like to ride our bikes we
25:13
don't get all stalked and sick and
25:18
everything read and nothing's nothing's
25:19
like that would just like to ride our
25:22
bikes it's not all about instagramming
25:23
your races are near the Paris no not
25:27
even though even when we just we just
25:29
practice in and just ride in like I love
25:32
riding my bike and and we're not trying
25:37
to be something we're not so I think
25:38
we're both very similar I just like
25:41
riding my bike I don't party hard like
25:43
even after I win the race
25:44
I don't probably hardly just enjoy
25:49
riding my bike and that's very similar
25:51
as his Instagram like I often think he
25:55
needs to do more with his Instagram
25:57
I'm sure he thinks he does himself but
25:59
he needs to he likes to keep his private
26:02
life private and you know gotta respect
26:05
him for that but in future I think
26:08
moving forward especially during this
26:10
time he may put a bit more on there but
26:12
yeah and we'll just notice and learns I
26:14
have had issues before we say mints and
26:18
it's really not fun so for me and him to
26:22
get on as well as we do I really I
26:25
really cherish that nice so obviously
26:28
you're gonna be a massive help to map
26:30
with all your experience following on
26:32
from what you've just said there do you
26:33
feel having that as that teammate is
26:35
helping you push yourself harder is it
26:37
helping you improve your performance
26:38
through the weekends mmm I think it does
26:42
yeah I think having someone fast and
26:44
someone that I get along with is great
26:47
like I just said I've had issues before
26:49
with teammates and that makes me even
26:53
more
26:54
I mean able to appreciate my even more
26:57
and I often sense there's a competitive
27:01
edge between the two of us which i think
27:03
is good waters and to get the most out
27:06
of each other for the team as well and
27:09
if we see like like Mad Max like last
27:14
season
27:14
and the season before that he was
27:16
getting the better amazed that the
27:18
seasons like in Nationals and and last
27:22
year I excessive Maribor understand to
27:26
raise my game a little bit and I'm sure
27:27
Matt's working on that himself as well
27:30
from what you've said there at the
27:32
bottom of Raiola BDS last year race
27:35
rooms I'd come down and out quite a good
27:37
run and I was hanging around at the
27:39
finish waiting to see what gone on and I
27:41
was standing next to will your team
27:43
manager and I said to him who's your
27:45
money on because Matt won't qualify and
27:47
if I'm right
27:48
currently sir he looked at me and he
27:51
just said when Danny's leaving the pits
27:54
to go and win a race it's a different
27:57
Danny and he just went so and then Matt
28:01
beat you and then he beat you at the ixs
28:03
and then you beat him at the World Cup
28:05
do you think that's kind of an
28:07
experience thing that you have way
28:09
you'll turn him up are the World Cups
28:11
and the big ones and Matt's maybe
28:13
putting all the five yes so like like we
28:16
said earlier like westerns get a little
28:18
deep and that is potentially how it is
28:23
it's not something I think about I think
28:25
if you have to think about with them
28:28
it's probably not that doesn't come as
28:30
easy to you so for me it must just be an
28:33
instinct thing and yeah Matt beats me
28:36
legit France square like he beat me at
28:38
national champs a twinkle I
28:42
he beat me in Kolkata beat me we all and
28:47
there's nothing I can do it's quite
28:49
awkward to be fair because I'm the guy
28:52
that's your leader idea probably meant
28:55
to win and he beats me fair and square
28:59
like he's I think it puts him in an
29:03
awkward position as well because he
29:04
doesn't he would probably like to be all
29:08
excited about it
29:09
a little more excited like I said he's a
29:11
lot like me so he doesn't get yeah yeah
29:15
I do remember like national champs at
29:20
Glencoe at his family though yeah I
29:22
remember seeing them worn that room in
29:25
the pits at the end it's like
29:28
like I'm sat there and he's very scared
29:31
- we never said that spoke about I
29:34
thought there's nothing bad yeah it's
29:38
actually quite nice of them when they
29:40
don't come back and stir yeah I heard
29:45
you were very complimentary Danny I
29:47
heard you went over and shook his hand
29:48
and said well done oh you were really
29:52
you know
29:58
yeah and I guess that's where it's good
30:01
that you guys have that good competitive
30:04
friendly relationship where when the
30:07
other one does win it's fine obviously
30:09
you wanted to win but you just move on I
30:12
have to ask you some questions about for
30:14
William you must have like a love-hate
30:16
relationship with the place you invested
30:19
so much into it you've won the National
30:21
one five times you famously go up there
30:28
and camp for weeks at a time you must
30:30
wonder why else you can do to win the
30:32
World Cup
30:32
why would you have to do yes let's get a
30:36
few things true I do that go to fall
30:39
trillion Park in that dusty hellhole of
30:43
a car park for two weeks and ride down
30:45
that track down that track for two weeks
30:48
solid me and Sofia will really like it
30:51
up there like when the weather's nice
30:54
which in the summary it's often nice
30:57
sometimes you get bad weather but like
31:00
it's a really cool place to be so we
31:01
just like to place ourself out there I
31:03
like use that as like a it's often early
31:07
in the season so i use it as a prep for
31:11
going away to one said i'm going to all
31:16
these races where the speeds are high
31:18
it's rough the tracks along I mean what
31:22
better ways that to practice them more
31:24
even riding their training there usually
31:28
I use the gym there and yeah I mean I
31:32
don't know what it's gonna take for me
31:34
to win I'm open to any suggestions cuz
31:37
anyone in Milan anyone I'm sure that
31:40
thinking earlier
31:41
I watched I watched Petey's film yeah
31:45
it's free on the internet there's a
31:46
decimal Saphir so much that she hadn't
31:49
seen it
31:49
he took Steve a long time to win that
31:51
risk so thinking about that the
31:53
comparison I was just gonna say about
31:55
that but yeah hopefully my time will
31:58
come no doubt no doubt
32:01
so off the back of that you've already
32:04
mentioned about us all you've been there
32:05
a few times you've said your reason
32:08
behind it any other tracks where you've
32:09
you thought I'm going to benefit from
32:11
going there for a few days go to the
32:18
soul well the souls really cool cuz I go
32:20
there I'll go there maybe a week and a
32:23
half two weeks before the world ride for
32:26
three days and then go and sit by
32:28
llegado for four or five days and it's
32:30
because I spend all my summer one at all
32:33
like the most of my summer in Europe in
32:36
the camper any rich that's really nice
32:38
and all the places I've been I've been
32:41
to Croatia I went to Croatia for three
32:47
days riding before cooking excuse me
32:52
in 2018 because I'd seen videos of that
32:57
and I thought it's a good idea to go and
32:59
do a recce on this and say see ourselves
33:03
on a new team as well I just signed with
33:04
Madison so I went over there and like
33:07
tested we also and just got to grips
33:12
with riding the rocks like that yeah and
33:14
again like like just got what I saw when
33:18
I would go there before and I would get
33:21
rid of like the horrible feeling you had
33:23
with someone and it was exactly the same
33:26
equation because correct me if I'm wrong
33:29
what Croatia's it's eye-opening on your
33:32
first few runs yeah we made a mistake
33:34
really we went did the same as you but
33:37
when me and George went it rained so we
33:39
we spent three days sliding down my
33:41
track yeah and it was just a waste of
33:44
time I just learned to ride it too slow
33:46
and just learn to be scared of it really
33:49
because you write those wrongs
33:51
it's over in a flash as well yeah
33:54
like comics takes one minute 45 is it's
33:57
the car park William I must Jack
34:04
previously how you boys ride the top
34:06
section so fast in Jack said he asked to
34:09
braking spots up to the board walk and
34:12
he thought you might possibly not all
34:17
this is another thing like well this is
34:22
where I read the notes on this and I
34:24
read your question and second I was
34:28
trying to think about in my head and
34:30
I'll be honest with you I don't really
34:31
have to think about it maybe this is why
34:34
I'm you know cuz I don't really think I
34:37
so like I don't think about when I'm
34:42
braking or not but like when I sit here
34:45
and think about me I could probably like
34:47
the first boardwalk like where it's just
34:50
a little the little one over the bridge
34:52
yeah I probably don't brake until there
34:54
yeah that's my flesh so that obviously
34:56
you have to brake yeah I break there and
35:00
then I break into the next right just a
35:02
little bit like this is where mean you
35:08
might be different you might have to
35:09
think something you potentially have to
35:13
think about more ways yeah I remember
35:19
long below have you done it it was at
35:22
the national 2018 I think he was with
35:25
you and will and we were going up and I
35:28
remember we got to that bit where you
35:30
cross underneath the gondola just after
35:32
that and there's that left-hander with
35:34
the slabs in it
35:35
do you know we were right it was round
35:38
there somewhere in you and you see that
35:40
where I have to break that now and I
35:42
don't don't align a different line you
35:44
know so well now maybe I just know how
35:50
to get around the corner before a little
35:51
faster so I carried little more speed
35:53
but yeah like like I said before like if
35:57
you ask me how many times I brake going
36:00
down there where every I probably will
36:03
be able to tell you
36:04
is it useful so sorry is it true your
36:07
strategies before William up the trucks
36:09
like that is that you break it into four
36:10
and you do like the first section and
36:14
the third section and get those nailed
36:17
and then you do the second section and
36:19
the fourth section is that how you how
36:21
you break it down yeah well now you've
36:23
been when I am in Fort William doing
36:25
make that preparation stuff that's what
36:28
I'll do because it's it's not possible
36:30
to do hundred-percent runs down that
36:33
track
36:34
six seven times a day now so what I do
36:38
is I'll I have some point where I I have
36:42
got notes from all over the years of
36:45
where my points are and I know what's a
36:48
good time to that point in the next
36:50
binary and then if I get say I do the
36:53
top section in that's for argument six a
36:56
five seven seconds then I'll go slow
37:00
through this which again is really hard
37:02
to do to go slow
37:03
once you've got going and you're like in
37:05
the hay at the moment when you pull [ __ ]
37:07
it's really hard to go slow in the
37:09
second section sometimes I'll just have
37:11
to stop yeah to stop myself from going
37:15
to first and then in Section three I'll
37:18
push on then for our children then vice
37:21
versa and then by the end of the day
37:23
I'll do two full ones and I'll try and
37:24
much my fastest times in each section or
37:28
a full row
37:29
nice I've never thought about that just
37:31
to explain my breaking point think as
37:33
Georgia's made me sound like a little
37:34
bit of a robot the reason why I know I
37:39
have two breaking points up there is
37:41
actually indirectly because of you it's
37:44
the only track and the only section of
37:46
track where I actually know where I
37:47
break and the reason is my in my early
37:50
years of racing World Cups between 2010
37:52
and kind of 2014 I was always slow up
37:55
there my top split was always terrible
37:57
and my dad one year stood on the Caffey
38:01
view one people down that top section
38:05
and he pulled me over after two runs and
38:07
he said come and watch Danny come and
38:08
watch Danny he's just got in the game he
38:10
said watch his speed it's these first
38:12
corners and I I was running the break
38:14
through the first set of corners and I
38:17
watched you through and it was like yeah
38:20
yeah exactly and I watched that and I
38:23
was like yeah but that that was where it
38:30
stemmed from
38:30
don't break until you get to that little
38:32
bridge crossing and then more dab and
38:35
then that was that yeah it's not very
38:37
difficult
38:38
before that become you do the corner so
38:41
just in a straight line like this when
38:44
you do a one left it goes off with all
38:46
of the
38:47
yeah over a crest and that left is
38:51
really difficult and when you push it
38:53
really hard to not run wide and off the
38:56
tracking well yeah and especially in the
38:58
dry because you don't yeah I in the over
39:02
the years I've had really good top
39:04
splits they're like the first minute
39:06
then last year was really bad and I
39:09
think the wind was was it last year was
39:13
last year the wind and there's more
39:15
variables like and that's why it's
39:17
really like if you speak to an f1 driver
39:20
or a MotoGP right there even my dad when
39:23
my dad's riding around donated on his
39:25
super well they'll know exactly where
39:27
he's braking because if they missed that
39:29
braking plan they're gonna run ride in
39:31
the next car well we are very there's so
39:34
many variables and it's just not
39:38
possible to to say exactly where you're
39:41
going to break all the way down yeah the
39:43
top section there it is like a bit of a
39:45
world circuit where you can say I'm
39:48
gonna break their speed yeah I can
39:58
concur about the wind last year because
40:00
ever since then I've been top 20 at the
40:02
World Cups in that top split and last
40:05
year in my wrist when I was 58
40:07
no mister eggs it must have just caught
40:10
wind and that two seconds I lost their
40:12
cost me and they were gone Josh so the
40:15
one bad result last season was was yeah
40:17
I don't want to focus on the negatives
40:19
but it was probably the difference
40:21
between third and fourth in the overall
40:23
what what happened in was yeah she was a
40:28
funny one really like the track there is
40:32
really quite quite base if I think and
40:35
this is not really anything to so much
40:41
challenges know what to think about and
40:45
and I was riding really well and I
40:49
qualified in the top
40:51
who knows top four I can't exactly
40:52
remember and I knew that was Saturday
41:00
was actually salad arias and I knew that
41:02
if I really brought the heat and pushed
41:06
onward deep down I could potentially
41:09
like have a good one and a good one for
41:12
me it's winning and I really thought I
41:14
could and I guess I was just just
41:19
overdid it totally from from leaving the
41:22
start line - luckily crossing over the
41:25
finish line because I did manage to
41:27
cross the finish language it was really
41:30
a blessing because when I was riding
41:33
like I made mistakes and we went off
41:36
Cameron on the redbull fade and it went
41:38
into some switchbacks and I just blew
41:40
through what i went let down and off
41:42
until off into a trading golf the off
41:45
the track as such i went great affarin
41:48
actually pull my way back home so that
41:52
point I was thinking right well I'll
41:53
just go for it now just try and get some
41:56
hellish split times
41:59
and I think that was their own idea
42:01
because they how I made it to the barn
42:04
like we saw the bondo coming to the last
42:07
jump section like and just got all the
42:10
balance and the distraught I pray and I
42:13
was like no I'm gonna get to that so I
42:17
just it was a bit embarrassing to be
42:19
fair he was only through pushing as hard
42:22
as I could and being as committed as I
42:24
could it wasn't like oh I'd rather do
42:26
what I did there then come down and
42:29
finish ten I've been just rod steady
42:34
Eddy and no girl my comfort zone nice it
42:38
was just just overcommitted
42:40
yeah learned some lessons I'm sure so
42:43
after that national champs how important
42:46
isn't national champs to you I think if
42:47
you won it twice now is that right yeah
42:50
I've won it twice I won it I think I
42:53
only know
42:56
three times in one column a few years
43:01
ago
43:02
yeah then I want it then ropes where was
43:07
it last year last year was revs was it
43:09
yeah last year was revs yeah but
43:17
Williamson 23 times to be honest when I
43:23
was with Joan
43:24
it wasn't a big thing I didn't even
43:26
doing some time like it yeah I didn't
43:29
even do it a few times so it wasn't that
43:31
big blur like for Madison wood being a
43:34
domestic domestic race and they'd like
43:37
us to do as many domestic races as we
43:40
can national champs oh I know make an
43:44
effort to do it hasn't left our team I
43:47
don't think obviously much I didn't know
43:49
I've got it I got it twice so I'll be
43:53
like that's what we're shooting for this
43:57
year now like would believe and that
43:59
could be our first rest box right could
44:02
be it could be that's the big yeah I
44:07
guess for me too no no it's a big thing
44:12
now I've won a couple of times I
44:13
wouldn't I wouldn't quite a few times
44:16
when I was like you know as a kid I win
44:19
in juvenile you don't beat me in junior
44:24
the year that I was favorite to win I
44:28
guess Lee was through youth and juvenile
44:31
my first job I always had Joe Smith
44:35
braceland and some deal so yes
44:43
on to the final round of last season's
44:46
snowshoe Matt Walker told us a little
44:49
story that you didn't fancy that those
44:51
jumped after the track walk yes not my
44:55
and there's a few things I saw like even
44:57
from leaving the start on the first jump
45:00
if they'd have left it how they had it
45:03
when we walked in she was easy the first
45:07
one but it would have been a
45:09
the true Louisville life with petition
45:12
them say again sorry is it true that
45:16
like petition them to change that well a
45:22
lot of people did anymore
45:23
I think the Instagram people wanted to
45:25
keep it as wanted it out so yeah there
45:30
was that one then we went in it was
45:31
quite a big step down like when you walk
45:34
in you have no idea how are you coming
45:36
into it a step down then it was that
45:42
does that blind one out of the trees
45:44
there was like a double yeah double
45:48
Keith yeah then it was that big
45:50
god-awful double thing and no we hadn't
45:54
been there before so we had no idea how
45:56
fast we're gonna be cool you know
45:58
anything and yeah I was nervous it's
46:02
like it's not often I'm nervous to hit
46:04
jobs like ok said a few times like when
46:08
I was a kid in with go places and like I
46:10
remember one thing quite vividly is when
46:13
they first built the big rock garden
46:15
here forest my thing was like oh those
46:18
for real it was a hellish rock garden
46:20
yeah the good line was like jump off the
46:24
top row like you could jump down the
46:25
side and both of them like when you this
46:29
high it was quite scary so when you this
46:33
hide the quite scary as well though yeah
46:36
so I got that saw the feeling again I've
46:40
been nervous to do with jumps and what I
46:42
did to get over it was just did them all
46:45
first run he said when I was phone yeah
46:48
I was like I need to just do it because
46:50
it's gonna it's gonna play on my mind if
46:53
I don't and they ended up being really
46:56
easy the only one I didn't do first was
46:59
that double in the bottom trees which
47:02
was I think it was like two singles that
47:04
were yeah okay yeah I stopped and looked
47:07
and people came past and did it and it
47:09
was like I was asking the marshal send
47:12
what you reckon would you reckon and
47:14
these people just flew past him didn't
47:17
they girl and so they understood him and
47:20
from then on it was just
47:23
so much fun with that trap there it was
47:26
awesome so that's an ending to a season
47:30
that may never be matched and as you
47:33
said you qualified first you were last
47:35
man down the hill obviously I'm sure you
47:37
were just fully focused on doing your
47:39
race run and was going down wins when
47:42
you were sat in the gate did you have
47:43
any idea how influential your run could
47:46
be on the overall between the Omri and
47:48
why no I had no idea at all like I think
47:53
I maybe had an idea at the time that
47:57
Piero had done and that was fast at the
48:02
time I guess you know he's not here but
48:05
I have my headphones on I was on my
48:08
rulers I get off with maybe five minutes
48:11
to go so that is there's only one rider
48:15
silently in the case yeah only one Road
48:19
I was the last rider so the ends like
48:22
was in front of me and no I have no idea
48:26
this is the thing like it's hard like
48:28
everybody said oh I'm nail-biting the
48:31
race was like when are you doing it it
48:33
was just like any other race and it's a
48:35
shame that they can't like one day I'll
48:38
be able to enjoy things like that but
48:40
not right now
48:40
yeah no I had no idea so great and then
48:44
at the bottom I are finished
48:46
and everybody's like everybody that
48:48
watched on the television said to being
48:51
so crap for you to finish and nobody
48:53
came over and congratulate you and I
48:56
said that's not how it was it was
48:58
actually it was mental in the finish to
49:01
be fair like yes
49:03
Mike's people were there and no
49:07
obviously they were all the joy and they
49:09
were all going crazy but I'm not saying
49:12
it there were my people look like yeah
49:14
yeah you could see that I just won and I
49:17
had one for a while
49:20
mentally as well Sofia was there in the
49:23
background crying yeah
49:31
you've talked before I think it was on
49:34
the the final team video from last
49:37
year's like you in the gondola at Fort
49:39
William it's there's the opening to it
49:40
and you talk about like a calmness
49:41
during a race run that you don't really
49:44
think about anything when you doing it
49:46
on a run like that are you thinking at
49:48
any point this is a podium run or this
49:50
is a winning run
50:00
you know when you're flying it's just
50:07
like here in like you're not thinking
50:08
about anything like I'm sure this is a
50:11
sin for you George Emerson for you chuck
50:13
when you're doing it yeah it's like I
50:16
like to say you're in like a zen-like
50:18
it's the same with anything they're like
50:21
I'll get off doing a 20-minute session
50:22
on my motocross one and I think what the
50:26
hell have I just been thinking about 20
50:28
minutes you're like why we do it though
50:31
in there you know is that a switch off
50:33
from the real world it's that escapism
50:35
that there's nothing conscious is it now
50:37
I don't I'm never thinking oh this is
50:44
amazing this is gonna I'm gonna win the
50:46
risk because I probably what I won the
50:48
race by less than half a second how am I
50:52
[Music]
50:57
so before snow shoe you hadn't want to
51:01
walk up our world champ since 2016
51:04
during that three-year period did you
51:06
ever feel like the capability to win at
51:08
the highest level had moved away from
51:10
you or what was the favorite no when I
51:19
look thinking my head about the races I
51:22
was always when I was on I was already
51:24
knows I was there there about so know
51:29
like if we think to 2017 and one that
51:33
sticks out for me is Monson and where I
51:36
came down in the pouring rain yeah and
51:40
the only person the only two people
51:44
faster than me that dear was Erin who
51:47
did come down in the same conditions and
51:50
Dean who came down ding in drier
51:53
conditions so I always know that it's
51:57
there it's just a mocking in 2017 was
52:00
quiet to fear those politics and stuff
52:04
like that with my team and wasn't really
52:07
in the best frame of mind so but I
52:10
definitely knew it was all still there
52:12
and then nice
52:13
20:18 well I don't know how course I
52:18
forgot to win in book I was still at the
52:21
sharpened and you never doubt what it
52:23
was going to come well what was funny
52:25
was in 2018 I second and they will cook
52:29
overall with two or three podiums and
52:35
2019 I was on the podium every time by
52:38
one and I finished fourth yeah that's
52:40
how good everybody else was yeah in 2016
52:43
you won three of them and yeah for the
52:50
one the one more maybe so why do you
52:55
think it happened in snowshoe the room
52:56
was incredible especially the one sector
52:59
towards the bottom where you did the
53:00
majority of the damage towards the
53:03
realms time yeah it's funny really I
53:06
think snowshoe like when we were go in
53:09
there and we drive in there it's no
53:13
phone signal and you're driving through
53:15
all these redneck place ISM did you go
53:17
to snow chute Jack you did so you know
53:21
what it was like there's like he driving
53:24
her three hours with no phone signal I'm
53:26
thinking where the help that the UCI
53:28
bringing us right now and then he turn
53:31
up to this lovely little skeezer and and
53:35
it was great like it's like its own
53:37
little place a town was quite cool like
53:40
second mini Whistler sort of thing and
53:44
then we did the course walk and I was a
53:47
bit skeptical to be honest like just
53:50
like one big rock garden but and then as
53:52
I practiced it and I wrote it and I did
53:55
all them jumps I think everybody just
53:58
got better and better and I was really
54:00
into it and really enjoying it and
54:02
thinking my restaurant and my qualifying
54:04
room I just was enjoying it more and
54:08
more everyone and
54:13
no it's just quick all clicked yeah and
54:18
the one section where I made the time I
54:21
do feel I had consciously been passed
54:24
through that the whole weekend because
54:26
it was a section well like we talked
54:28
about breaking so well that you could
54:31
turn there was a left-hander coming into
54:34
it all the way until like the awkward
54:37
horrible right-hander at the end of that
54:40
section and a powerful one that will
54:43
drop off you could ride that full
54:45
section without touching the bricks did
54:48
you do that's well did yeah yeah I can
54:51
tell everybody that's nuts nice to break
54:57
to get around that horrible corner yeah
54:59
then you have to pedal and then you just
55:01
think all the breaks again because it's
55:03
just true and all the way to like I
55:05
consciously just death gripped because I
55:09
was like if I touch them I could use
55:11
them and didn't want to use them so you
55:13
went through that Wow nice yeah got the
55:19
confidence hit them rocks Falls man then
55:21
yeah agreed
55:22
so you've said that the you know over
55:25
the three years you never felt like it
55:26
gone away from you you're at the point
55:28
end still feel like the winds were there
55:31
do you feel now that a woke up overall
55:34
win you've got more confidence for it
55:36
after winning snowshoe or do you still
55:38
feel the same as you did before that way
55:43
yeah giving you some tough questions now
55:47
yeah I haven't got eNOS now I've just
55:54
got your questions in for me and this is
55:59
why I got Tim with my notes the World
56:04
Cup overall is a it's a tough one like I
56:11
think I take like the most from him that
56:14
is possible like with from 2016 and 2018
56:17
like like 2018 come in second and after
56:24
not I've been the best year yes last
56:26
year it's hard to take much confidence
56:28
from because he pretty much had to win
56:31
to win the overall I give them two
56:37
there's only me and one of the person
56:40
who won that one like an eraser yeah
56:47
you've got to be really on it and I do
56:50
all I can to be on it and I don't really
56:54
know what to say when it comes to make
56:57
himself believe to do it as I just try
57:00
and take a dress at a time and yeah I
57:02
have the opportunity and the what you
57:07
call it the means infrastructure and
57:09
everything to win every weekend
57:12
so yeah just try and take a dress at a
57:15
time and then you'll see where you are
57:18
at the end I'm sure that's all those
57:20
boys did I'm so maybe maybe they start
57:24
thinking about in a little more but I
57:26
think I just try and take a dress at a
57:29
time which is what I've tried to do
57:31
forever related question have you ever
57:34
had that one board on the front new bike
57:36
world champs so not at the World Cup so
57:40
maybe that's maybe that's all you need
57:46
huh we go every faith in you're doing it
57:48
so slightly less deep question Scotty
57:52
Mears is now on the tools for you good
57:55
lad I've known him from way back in the
57:57
day how bigger roles he played getting
57:59
him by his side
58:00
yes that's been really good I got
58:04
dropped in there dropped in the crap a
58:06
little bit at the end of 2018 now it's
58:12
just south of Scott's house houses fancy
58:15
here on the spot us and there's a well
58:18
let me think about it
58:19
see well see what's in here and we'll
58:24
put a contract to him anew
58:26
he jumped at the chance so I think like
58:29
Scott has always wanted to just make it
58:33
a little bit more than what he did with
58:34
his racing
58:35
and then a couple years ago as they
58:38
probably because he accepted that it's
58:41
not going too big and he took a step
58:43
backwards and no not a step backwards a
58:47
step back from the race in the world cuz
58:50
he was going all over the world and it
58:52
just the amount of times I must have
58:55
gone and watched him try and qualify and
58:58
just not make it was really sorry for
59:02
him so it was I was proud of him just
59:05
for him to say look that's it I've had a
59:07
real good go I quit he quit his work he
59:10
really tried and neat and he said right
59:13
that's it I'm not going to bother any
59:15
more he put all his up into the shop and
59:17
he's got a really successful shopping
59:19
it's really good but when he got the
59:22
opportunity to come with me I think that
59:25
was like the star sort of aligned a
59:28
little bit for him to have another [ __ ]
59:30
and a different Roland and he's grabbed
59:33
it with both hands and honestly he's he
59:36
is amazing like there's never a dull
59:38
moment he can be a hard-ass they're not
59:42
going well he'll tell you how it is as
59:45
well if you're wrong one of the things
59:49
no one asked you about was that I think
59:52
he said afterward after snowshoe that he
59:54
put a couple of extra psi on your tires
59:56
and didn't tell you does he do stuff
59:59
like that regularly when he doesn't tell
1:00:01
me so if he started telling me I don't
1:00:06
know the question you love to get him on
1:00:08
your podcast and I say bring min so I'm
1:00:13
going back to the riding and the
1:00:15
practice sessions I you know everyone
1:00:18
kind of knows I obviously know cuz I'm
1:00:20
at the races you know I'm for doing a
1:00:22
lot of time drums and a lot of full-time
1:00:24
drums in your practice how analytical do
1:00:27
you get with what comes back on the
1:00:29
timing sheets are you looking at sectors
1:00:31
or are you just kind of wanting to do it
1:00:33
for yourself so be honest with the time
1:00:37
time training I do do it for myself as
1:00:39
much as anything's like we were talking
1:00:42
earlier about confidence and one thing
1:00:44
learn I do too confidence from that
1:00:47
which is fine for that weekend yeah so
1:00:51
and I do check out the splits and see
1:00:55
what I wear I need to do what and yeah
1:00:58
and if you've noticed I use a helmet
1:01:00
camera a lot
1:01:02
McGavin every practice room even from
1:01:04
the first film through til but I even
1:01:07
used in recent and I'm really good with
1:01:13
timing off that link with my phone I
1:01:17
like old time one section three times
1:01:20
started this trade finish it this this
1:01:23
post and I'll get the same time with my
1:01:25
finger every time if I'm really
1:01:28
consistent with that so I do use that a
1:01:30
lot
1:01:33
so so when you're getting the consistent
1:01:36
times in practice that just as you said
1:01:38
before just out when I see a consistent
1:01:40
I mean like it's accurate like with my
1:01:43
finger so if it's and I can do it for a
1:01:48
three-second section or a 15-second
1:01:50
section and now I'll get the same time
1:01:53
for three goals yeah then I'll do a
1:01:56
different line and I'll get the same
1:01:58
time so that Italian one's faster yeah
1:02:01
okay I'll write it all down in my paper
1:02:03
so I can see in front of me
1:02:05
but the time training is as much a bit
1:02:08
of that look what I can do really I'm
1:02:12
going to be ready for sundar to
1:02:13
everybody else as much as for myself as
1:02:16
well yes it nice becoming more of a
1:02:19
thing I think time training and watch f1
1:02:23
moto gp every session every room is
1:02:26
timed so for us to have an hour and a
1:02:29
half and people say it's just time
1:02:31
training it doesn't matter nothing wrong
1:02:33
take it how you will yeah and I think
1:02:36
what those people don't understand that
1:02:38
we obviously understand is we don't get
1:02:41
that much time on the track and every
1:02:45
run counts towards getting towards your
1:02:47
penultimate speed yeah so yeah if you're
1:02:50
not going to use that time valuable then
1:02:53
you're wasting time simple as that I I'm
1:02:55
one of those riders like yourself I if I
1:02:57
leave time practice and it hasn't gone
1:02:59
that well for me that knocked my
1:03:01
confidence going into quality whereas if
1:03:03
I put sectors down and put good runs
1:03:05
down I'm much more relaxed in quali
1:03:07
because then I just kind of know that
1:03:08
I'm just gonna do what I've already done
1:03:10
yeah what is crazy is how the times when
1:03:15
you do a time turning one and you think
1:03:17
really I'm gonna give it a good effort
1:03:19
now yeah
1:03:21
come finals on Sunday and you're
1:03:24
knocking it can be between five and 10
1:03:27
seconds or more on a longer track and
1:03:29
you're like Christ how the hell do you
1:03:31
do it yeah agreed
1:03:33
definitely so oh yeah baby crying in the
1:03:36
background I know now she won't come I
1:03:39
know they've just got upstairs now we
1:03:42
can tear it
1:03:44
so one thing people are talking about a
1:03:47
lot is the level of our sport lifting
1:03:49
over recent years we've all seen it
1:03:51
we're all aware of it
1:03:52
do you feel you're one of the riders
1:03:54
that's lifting the sport each year or
1:03:56
would you say you're at the pointy end
1:03:58
and it gets lifted and then you you go
1:04:01
with it as its lifters if that makes
1:04:04
them I think over the years I
1:04:05
potentially have lifted the motor or
1:04:07
maybe not the last year or the last two
1:04:09
years but 2016 I was potentially the guy
1:04:13
that lifted it and yeah then we've we've
1:04:16
only had really well Aaron before that
1:04:19
like 2011 when he was done with it in
1:04:23
the world codes like when he wouldn't
1:04:24
bother so like he did yeah but and then
1:04:27
after that I maybe did that in 2016 I
1:04:32
don't know then we've had like you know
1:04:42
Murray the past year we've we've all
1:04:44
just been chasing last two years hmm
1:04:47
don't know if there's anybody else
1:04:50
that's really done anything do you feel
1:04:55
like the main reason the levels lifting
1:04:57
is this kind of constant tug-of-war
1:05:00
between the riders pushing for more or
1:05:02
do you think a bigger reason is the fact
1:05:05
the equipment's just getting better and
1:05:07
better every year I think that's just
1:05:12
something that people can sear because
1:05:15
from what I can see the past four years
1:05:18
maybe the wheel size has changed but the
1:05:21
bikes haven't changed a great deal
1:05:23
like I geometries kind of stable isn't
1:05:27
it yeah like the the bike I'd won 2016
1:05:33
ones won a World Cup last year that's
1:05:35
the same bike yeah Oh years later so
1:05:38
yeah I don't think it's the equipment I
1:05:40
just think it's people's hard work
1:05:42
training yep ability well I think
1:05:48
there's more people around on the track
1:05:50
there's a lot of things it's not I don't
1:05:53
think it's slowly down to equipment
1:05:56
let's talk
1:05:57
about fitness Danny you're you and Troy
1:06:00
two of the smaller riders and no
1:06:03
disrespect but you're probably not the
1:06:05
strongest but you strength to weigh must
1:06:08
be very good is that what you think
1:06:10
must him gone yeah I think the me not
1:06:15
being the strongest and stuff like that
1:06:18
it's all relevant so when we look at
1:06:20
when I first started like making waves
1:06:23
in this sport like 2010 2011 the amount
1:06:27
of times that I was on the ragged edge
1:06:31
nearly falling off but not fallen off
1:06:34
was a testament to my training and my
1:06:37
strength you know so and that is when I
1:06:42
think I was the start of the small guys
1:06:45
doing good on the big trucks
1:06:47
I get all relative isn't it so I I'm in
1:06:57
the gym thinking I'm really strongly a
1:07:00
lift in this way well this is just all I
1:07:02
know yeah I do think if I took a lot of
1:07:07
guys in the gym they wouldn't be doing
1:07:10
much more than what I'm doing so yeah
1:07:13
I'm as you say it's all power to your
1:07:15
way isn't it yeah your body position on
1:07:20
the bike is awesome the top half of your
1:07:22
body doesn't really move yeah but at the
1:07:25
same time you always just look so
1:07:27
relaxed is that body position on the
1:07:29
bike something that you actively work on
1:07:31
or is it more like what you said before
1:07:32
just a subconscious natural thing yeah
1:07:35
it's just an instinct I don't like when
1:07:38
I look at videos from over the years of
1:07:41
my style I don't think it's changed
1:07:44
dramatically I went back and watch
1:07:48
chambray the other day obviously we're
1:07:50
doing this and I thought I was like he
1:07:53
looks this very similar to how he looks
1:07:55
now that's ya know I think without sound
1:08:02
be candid like I think I'm more on the
1:08:04
natural side like I don't after work so
1:08:07
much on technique and stuff like that I
1:08:10
I'll go ride you know I think right I'm
1:08:13
gonna practice there so I'm gonna
1:08:14
practice that a lot the time it's not
1:08:17
really technique it's to be fade like
1:08:19
I'll go right into hamster Li and I'll
1:08:24
just see how long I can not touch the
1:08:27
brakes and I'll push that as far as far
1:08:29
as I can whether that means not pumping
1:08:32
as hard or not doing something just to
1:08:35
see if I can get without switching the
1:08:36
brake is a little game for myself really
1:08:39
but my style I haven't really I don't
1:08:43
really concentrate on it much maybe over
1:08:45
the years
1:08:47
I would like to have beer I turn I've
1:08:51
gone a little bit more aggressive like
1:08:53
think gone are the times now where it
1:08:55
can look like he just having a nice room
1:08:57
down you've got to be on that edge
1:08:59
pushing their boundaries yeah no I do
1:09:04
Wendy when was I so I think 2015 I went
1:09:09
through a patch of good looking like I
1:09:11
was just riding downhill I wasn't
1:09:13
attacking anything and I'd get back and
1:09:16
I'd watch the replay not like yeah what
1:09:19
the hell am i doing it looks like I'm on
1:09:21
a practice room and sometimes now like
1:09:24
the tracks that we get like I've got a
1:09:27
couple of people criticize the way I
1:09:29
wrote in lens a hard last year well that
1:09:33
is a trap to me it doesn't allow you to
1:09:35
be on the ragged edge on the way you've
1:09:38
got to be quite calculated down there
1:09:40
whereas you get somewhere like Endora
1:09:44
ah wildest all you can really push it
1:09:46
down there you've got to really push it
1:09:49
to make your bike remotely work yeah you
1:09:54
you can't you've talked about honing
1:09:56
your skills kind of a hamster way it's
1:09:59
not the biggest hill can you tell us a
1:10:01
little bit about the transition from
1:10:03
riding there
1:10:04
I'm counting for one minute room two
1:10:07
riding form and it tracks one minute
1:10:17
well you yeah I heard you were doing
1:10:20
somebody told me the rest the king of
1:10:22
the hill where speech ah come on swim in
1:10:23
a little bit earlier this season you've
1:10:25
done like a 105 or something welcomes me
1:10:34
but I mean like going to like a
1:10:36
upscaling that to a four-minute track is
1:10:38
it just that you you got your skills on
1:10:41
the one-minute track growing up doing
1:10:43
that and then then you got your fitness
1:10:45
to do the formerly track did you see
1:10:48
them as kind of two separate things
1:10:49
until I read your question I've never
1:10:52
really thought about it this is another
1:10:54
one of those questions where I'm like
1:10:55
well crikey Moses what we're going to
1:10:57
say
1:10:58
that's the thing with ham still is I
1:11:02
think I'm gonna say all of the sections
1:11:07
on that Hill you could potentially get
1:11:10
in a World Cup there might only be for
1:11:13
five to ten seconds long
1:11:15
well you could get those sections yeah
1:11:18
you know what yeah it's technical its
1:11:21
proper like it's not like like we've had
1:11:25
to build a jump line because this is how
1:11:26
it's going now you need to have a floor
1:11:28
line we haven't had any of that or just
1:11:31
proper down so like that's why I think
1:11:36
comes to these goods like like it's
1:11:39
getting a bit funny now like I can write
1:11:41
down there like frantically with my eye
1:11:43
shape so it's all maybe going the other
1:11:47
way for me now like I know it too well
1:11:49
and something in the future that I'd
1:11:54
like to do is go where more and run and
1:11:58
have to learn trucks yeah I can go and
1:12:01
write every trucker councillor and you
1:12:03
could put time and thumbs up and I could
1:12:04
go right now it's dark but if it was
1:12:08
like right now and do it probably do a
1:12:12
fast one yeah faster as fast as anyone
1:12:15
damned and it's practice so yeah when
1:12:19
you say about putting down and fitness I
1:12:28
have to give a shout out to my I'm
1:12:30
racking up the numbers team met Neil why
1:12:32
he's the one who comes up with some of
1:12:34
these big questions you know Neil I
1:12:41
probably know his voice office Linda I
1:12:44
don't know cat picture so you've you've
1:12:49
kind of maybe already answered this one
1:12:51
a little bit but you're also known for
1:12:53
getting to speed real quick at the start
1:12:55
practice maybe some of that is because
1:12:57
as you said yourself you visit some of
1:12:59
the tracks to get that initial feeling
1:13:01
of fear out of the way well Matt's told
1:13:03
me himself is words words no it's
1:13:05
pointless trying to do the first few
1:13:06
runs with Danny
1:13:08
comedian it's not going to bother
1:13:09
following you
1:13:11
do you actively go out first run in the
1:13:14
practice and try and go fast or you just
1:13:16
following your natural flow through the
1:13:18
weekend
1:13:23
I can remember he told me that we're in
1:13:27
a lift I said why don't you ride with
1:13:28
Danny on a Friday it's no appointments
1:13:31
in the afternoon I just can't keep up
1:13:33
sounds like Matt walks the truck quicker
1:13:36
than he rides it when he has to really
1:13:39
he walks the truck so quick that's maybe
1:13:41
why he takes longer to get good yeah no
1:13:45
I'm just joking but Matt goes walking
1:13:47
fast I don't I
1:13:51
it's just what I've done all the time
1:13:53
like when I was here when I was young
1:13:56
but not even so much when I was younger
1:13:57
I used to just be the first guy on the
1:13:59
hill even now I'm the same because I
1:14:02
just wanted to ride like I don't want to
1:14:04
be sitting around in the car back
1:14:07
waiting for I don't know looking cool I
1:14:12
remember at national champs last year on
1:14:14
the Sunday morning you were the first
1:14:17
rider down the hill it was a snowshoe as
1:14:24
well on the track at snowshoe I mean
1:14:28
that first dip jump when fully sideways
1:14:30
at the top and we're all standing in the
1:14:33
start gate laughs oh she's got follow
1:14:37
that now I'm jumping we're all worried
1:14:39
about yeah yeah I think like I just I'm
1:14:43
always excited to ride and I don't want
1:14:45
to waste time going slow when I can't
1:14:48
just get to speed quick I never really
1:14:49
have to think about it it's just you
1:14:51
just follow the natural speed yeah
1:14:53
that's right yeah I always think like a
1:14:56
fall even that's coming into last year I
1:14:59
probably said to myself Danny you need
1:15:01
to stop more in practice you need to
1:15:03
look at more things more you need to do
1:15:06
this you need to do that and once I get
1:15:08
going I just get too excited and don't
1:15:14
stop nice
1:15:19
look let's have a quick chat about the
1:15:21
bike you your first world champs win in
1:15:23
2008
1:15:25
with his second season on giant yeah
1:15:29
your second world champs winning 2016
1:15:31
was his second season I'm Andre yeah
1:15:34
I knew they were the second dancers yeah
1:15:40
does it take you a year to settle into a
1:15:43
new bike I've looked
1:15:46
I've number crunchers this as far as it
1:15:49
goes for me I guess I guess so well
1:15:55
largely was my first year wasn't it one
1:15:57
on Madison yeah my first 2018 you've got
1:16:05
your first year yes so yeah that that's
1:16:11
that has been a thing every second year
1:16:16
and the bike I don't think it takes me a
1:16:21
while to settle you never do like when I
1:16:23
was on mandra occur and I was on my
1:16:28
izaki folks laugh these are 17 please a
1:16:31
swinger I can go just as well but and
1:16:34
then when I change to the Fox one
1:16:37
doesn't these are even better and I
1:16:40
guess subconsciously you always just
1:16:43
think that what you you need to think
1:16:46
what you've got is the best so does it
1:16:50
take me a while to settle on a new bike
1:16:52
I don't think so about the results sure
1:16:56
so the mists a single pivot and it's a
1:17:00
pretty kind of straightforward design of
1:17:02
being he's the only tech question I read
1:17:09
this one in what's up groups I mean
1:17:11
there was like a bit of debate last
1:17:13
season as if to a bike like that can
1:17:15
still win at a World Cup level did you
1:17:17
have any doubts at any point and he's
1:17:20
not well if I'd have a dealt old never
1:17:25
up signed with the team yeah they
1:17:27
changed the bike quite a lot like the
1:17:30
previous year's bike was a lot quite a
1:17:32
lot different to the 2018 bike and we
1:17:37
got the back toes
1:17:39
within reason where we wanted and and I
1:17:44
was always there are there abouts I had
1:17:46
no issues with the bike all we changed
1:17:52
we got the new linkage last year -
1:17:57
that's true yeah last year now to make
1:18:00
27 five in the rear and we have the the
1:18:05
new thing on on the rear end to try and
1:18:07
stop the bridge Jacqueline Island right
1:18:10
I think once you learn a bike and for me
1:18:13
I can learn something quite quick which
1:18:15
is which is always a born is under a
1:18:18
downpour because I learned something
1:18:23
really quick and then I was - don't
1:18:24
struggle to make it better because I
1:18:26
just adapt which is good and buds
1:18:29
I've been with pretty meds in the past
1:18:32
when I just saw gone in the head because
1:18:35
something isn't perfect that they may as
1:18:39
well just stay in bed
1:18:40
whereas I can learn to adapt really
1:18:43
quite well it was that addition of the
1:18:49
flow in break a big thing or was it just
1:18:51
a little tweak it was just a little
1:18:53
thing that we tried which I made it in
1:18:57
the middle of the season and you can't
1:19:00
really tell a huge difference but even
1:19:03
if it's only a tiny bit better that it's
1:19:06
a bit better so I just took with it I
1:19:09
said how does the Florida breath
1:19:14
affected my ride next question the
1:19:25
mullet setup we saw Matt testing a
1:19:28
mullet revolution just after Christmas
1:19:30
do you know if he was gonna start in
1:19:33
looser on I believe so yes yeah what
1:19:40
what do you like best about is it just
1:19:42
29 with too much on your the 29 at the
1:19:45
time before I've ridden this way nice
1:19:47
and fine I was adamant this is it this
1:19:48
is what we're going with
1:19:50
and we were out in Ponte de Lima
1:19:52
actually just we'll test it and probably
1:19:56
done which the test salute is riding and
1:20:00
will said ah I've got this linkage here
1:20:03
for the small rail well why don't you
1:20:05
just took that now skeptical at first to
1:20:08
try it was I was like well this is its
1:20:10
last day what if it's good and
1:20:14
nevertheless it was good and I just went
1:20:18
away with it and I haven't looked back
1:20:20
since and I looks to me that more people
1:20:24
are going down the Avenue this is your
1:20:30
welcome to this world Danny you've got
1:20:32
this whole committee I've got a lot of
1:20:33
stickers
1:20:46
we'll return after these messages with
1:20:49
the revolution back part big questions
1:20:57
on to the revolution by part big
1:20:59
questions then first one what's your
1:21:02
favorite track on the World Cup circuit
1:21:03
and which section of track do you find
1:21:06
most difficult to read this one before
1:21:18
I used to set while Julian boys get into
1:21:21
this today there's no where it's not
1:21:24
still much so I also use this adorable
1:21:31
that right now is not what it used to be
1:21:33
neither so I think the hardest section
1:21:36
on a World Cup is pretenders - you've
1:21:43
got to - I think you've got the lower
1:21:48
section in Andorra and you've got the
1:21:53
wood section a problem it's always it's
1:21:56
what it's with the rock garden and stuff
1:22:03
even after that it's never the best well
1:22:06
then my favourite track I'd probably
1:22:07
says Monson this really makes no shoe at
1:22:22
the end like after I rolled it I really
1:22:24
enjoyed that as well
1:22:25
no not even after the fire and I
1:22:28
laughter win him like even just after
1:22:32
riding a few runs it was good when it's
1:22:39
where we film it so there are any tracks
1:22:43
that you really want to win on that you
1:22:46
haven't won on yet
1:22:47
why did you not think this new place
1:22:50
could probably answer that
1:22:53
as much as it's cliche for an English
1:22:56
guy to want to win British guy to want
1:22:59
to win in front William I think there's
1:23:02
a lot of people would appreciate me when
1:23:04
and there I can't imagine what it would
1:23:07
be like in the botanist yeah when you
1:23:11
say so tough question do you feel the
1:23:18
World Cup overall win is a must or do
1:23:21
you feel as anyway you can finish your
1:23:22
career and hang your bike up at the end
1:23:24
having not won the World Cup overall and
1:23:27
still feel happy with your career
1:23:30
yeah think I can I've won two World
1:23:34
Championships you know they yeah if you
1:23:37
told me now right that's it it's not
1:23:40
many people that have won one never mind
1:23:42
one two so what would you take Johnny
1:23:46
yeah Danny what would make you happier
1:23:47
third world champs or the World Cup
1:23:50
overall I woke up overall at this point
1:23:54
I think would be yeah because I people
1:24:01
know that I can win the world champs
1:24:03
people don't know that I can win a World
1:24:06
Cup overall neither do I haven't done it
1:24:08
so it would be good to to do that and at
1:24:12
the end of the day like tell me our the
1:24:16
sport of cycling where you have that one
1:24:20
risk you're the world champion if you
1:24:22
think of any of the spot in the world
1:24:24
yeah whether it be football whether it
1:24:27
be more the race in hoodie
1:24:31
Tenace said oh no they're all not so
1:24:37
much Tennyson suppose I guess that's a
1:24:39
at all these days yeah it's all they're
1:24:43
all like mini championships
1:24:45
so there would be a big thing for me to
1:24:48
win that for myself as much as for a
1:24:51
team the other thing this is just an
1:24:55
aside from that I think is really unique
1:24:57
well but a bit weird about what we do is
1:24:59
that like when I'm racing I we can race
1:25:03
against you quite regularly and you're
1:25:06
the best in the world and we're not if
1:25:10
you know what may there aren't many
1:25:11
sports you can't play football against
1:25:13
Lionel Messi you can't play tennis
1:25:14
against
1:25:18
reachable yeah and that but then the
1:25:21
weird thing is that like we compare our
1:25:23
times to you you know I mean I look back
1:25:27
and I got how far am i off whoever what
1:25:30
we're all doing the same thing whether
1:25:32
like yeah I could go to Donington on a
1:25:35
on a track bike and compare my time
1:25:37
against Valentino Rossi book
1:25:39
sadly fair she was on a different bike
1:25:42
it's all different
1:25:43
whereas we that's what sometimes think
1:25:47
about what we do is when I was a kid
1:25:51
six years old wrists and my friends
1:25:53
around the block to what I do now is
1:25:57
exactly the same thing but with such
1:25:59
more lying on it it's just a real any
1:26:03
racing is just the same is what you've
1:26:06
done all your life whether it be sports
1:26:07
days school whether it be a world
1:26:10
championship race from in Cannes on the
1:26:15
other side of the world it's just it's
1:26:17
quite organic in that respect I think on
1:26:21
to 2020 then with for Bill and Machine
1:26:23
cancelled and Mary Barra and Lou loser
1:26:26
being postponed
1:26:27
you've mentioned before you think
1:26:29
national champs could be the first race
1:26:31
and Dora possibly the first next one in
1:26:38
line if you know what I mean I think mom
1:26:41
saying honey no August he's probably
1:26:42
more likely have you heard anything at
1:26:44
all
1:26:44
I haven't heard anything no but what's
1:26:47
scary is it's gonna be scary for
1:26:49
everybody is once they let us all go and
1:26:53
do what you want again I could still be
1:26:56
a courier I want to jump on a plane with
1:26:58
loads of other people that could still
1:26:59
be a courier of this virus yeah I just
1:27:04
don't see how anything it's gonna go
1:27:07
let's try and be positive and hope for
1:27:09
ándara Monson on and the talk like we've
1:27:13
spoke with I've spoke with will and he
1:27:15
said of the could potentially ruinous
1:27:19
forms for race season near the end of
1:27:23
the year book we're gonna be stuck for
1:27:29
venues where we're gonna risk because
1:27:31
these places shut down for winter like
1:27:35
well chance was going to be in September
1:27:38
and this year is it Noli open and
1:27:42
welcome finals as English year on
1:27:44
September the 20th that's my birthday so
1:27:47
that's like late yeah that's really late
1:27:50
and like the weather there couldn't be
1:27:54
yeah interesting yeah so if talk have
1:28:00
obviously extending the season and
1:28:01
potentially race is going on in October
1:28:03
November if they do end up bulking
1:28:06
things together and was having quite a
1:28:07
few back-to-back do you feel like that
1:28:09
would suit yeah I'm thinking back to
1:28:10
that run you go on in 2060 yeah that's
1:28:13
fine like whatever they want to do like
1:28:16
I'm gonna steer ready to do it like
1:28:17
whether it be race on a Sunday race on a
1:28:21
Wednesday whatever they want to do
1:28:23
double headers yeah I'd be interested I
1:28:26
mean we couldn't it's not like they can
1:28:30
do whatever they want
1:28:31
they're good we could run them like
1:28:33
Nationals one day here the rest next up
1:28:36
I'm just gonna try and stay as ready as
1:28:38
I can be like I said I'm quite easygoing
1:28:42
so I can learn to adapt to anything stay
1:28:47
in control of what you can show off as
1:28:50
an athlete
1:28:51
are you worried at all about your income
1:28:52
and do you think Mike's wallet image
1:28:54
might struggle for funding after that
1:28:56
it's definitely
1:28:58
I thought concern yeah for sure I mean
1:29:02
one of my sponsors has already said look
1:29:05
I'm gonna have to pull pull out from
1:29:09
this year you if you could ride for free
1:29:14
I guess for this yearnin will carry on
1:29:17
next year then that's fine by then but I
1:29:20
can't you can't blame people these
1:29:23
people have no their it they've fallen
1:29:25
into debt and they can't be paying me
1:29:27
too for not arresting so ask Jack this
1:29:31
is a perfect question for you man like
1:29:33
you were running a team we've gotta keep
1:29:35
sponsors up people personally I've got
1:29:38
to do it as well you've got it you more
1:29:41
so than me
1:29:42
yeah okay it goes back to what you said
1:29:44
at the start social media and content
1:29:47
creation just becomes that much more
1:29:49
important
1:29:50
you've got to show these guys that
1:29:52
you're still a valuable asset to them I
1:29:56
understand that but what's difficult is
1:29:58
we're in it we're a weekend I'm not
1:30:06
really telling you what I think yeah
1:30:11
that's all all we're doing at the moment
1:30:14
yeah and we've not had any sponsors so
1:30:17
far say oh look he's a lot of our
1:30:20
support is broken into two halves and
1:30:21
we've not had anyone said look the
1:30:23
second half is incoming our biggest
1:30:25
[ __ ] is ss1 turin hopefully that second
1:30:29
block will come through no problem yeah
1:30:31
at the end of the day you can't blame
1:30:34
these people at baptism because they've
1:30:35
got to look after their self I know I
1:30:38
know they feel because me and Sarah are
1:30:40
optometrists and the practice is closed
1:30:42
we can't go to work exactly the field
1:30:45
and um you know it might be one of those
1:30:48
things where a lot of companies say to
1:30:50
look you haven't spent the budget from
1:30:53
this year you have been racing so again
1:30:57
we'll just have to sneeze like Danny
1:30:59
says I run my own agency and you know I
1:31:02
was soaked Rachel my wife the other day
1:31:06
you know when you put the business plan
1:31:08
forward it was eight years ago when you
1:31:10
write a business plan for a business
1:31:11
and you build it great years you don't
1:31:13
ever put in there as a potential threat
1:31:15
global pandemic all your clients cancel
1:31:18
in overnight which is basically what
1:31:19
what happened to us like you know that's
1:31:21
that's what happened and you just it's
1:31:25
not that my business isn't doing well
1:31:27
it's the fact that the whole in this
1:31:28
world god not just that industry you
1:31:31
know yeah and I mean obviously we're not
1:31:34
going to start having a long
1:31:35
conversation about corvid but off the
1:31:38
back of what you just said there George
1:31:40
they do ultimately have to get us back
1:31:42
out there working because the global
1:31:44
economy will just collapse so I'm living
1:31:47
in the hope that
1:31:49
yeah we're given the NHS and the various
1:31:51
other medical services around the world
1:31:53
a chance to deal with this peach but
1:31:55
ultimately we can't all slid indoors for
1:31:59
the next five years it just doesn't work
1:32:00
so you want to try the garlic when the
1:32:05
vaccine absolutely trust the immune
1:32:13
system PP in the veg yeah who knows
1:32:17
where it's gonna go
1:32:18
anyway um back to should go back to
1:32:21
bikes yeah so you got Matt Simmons with
1:32:25
you this year obviously very experienced
1:32:28
racer very good rider some good results
1:32:31
behind them he's going to be on track
1:32:32
for you and do you feel like that's an
1:32:35
essential ingredient now for teams like
1:32:37
you guys to be able to compete towards
1:32:39
the overall to have someone there doing
1:32:41
this kind of stuff for you yeah I think
1:32:43
it's going to be huge because well huge
1:32:46
when it happens it's the team have been
1:32:51
investing in with invested in some time
1:32:53
and equipment and stuff for on the track
1:32:55
and it's hard to it's hard for one or
1:33:00
two guys to do that on their own so yeah
1:33:03
that's going to be the he's got he's a
1:33:06
very it's got a very good eye I think
1:33:08
he's already even answer a lot of these
1:33:11
questions in much more depth than I can
1:33:13
probably make he probably yeah he has to
1:33:19
think about that little my I think he he
1:33:22
doesn't
1:33:23
it doesn't come naturally to him so he
1:33:26
has a very as a really good eye
1:33:29
but everything when it comes to it and
1:33:31
I've spent time with my well for the
1:33:35
last I would last two off seasons I
1:33:37
think we turned together with with Phil
1:33:40
Dixon and and Matt Matt Walker as well
1:33:45
and yeah he's very really sound like a
1:33:49
lot like me and my team there Matt
1:33:52
Walker is not all glitz and glamour he
1:33:54
just likes ride in and and I think he's
1:33:58
someone that's a really good investment
1:34:02
for the team because nice yeah it's just
1:34:06
an extra set of eyes on the hill I mean
1:34:09
equipment have you gone for start
1:34:11
interest some of the same stuff that
1:34:16
you're free lapis no I use further I see
1:34:20
you've been some of the new stuff is
1:34:24
yeah it's gonna be quite tricky to use
1:34:25
of the races that's why we've been what
1:34:27
you go tonight
1:34:29
yes we were sponsored by the man you're
1:34:32
not really sponsored by them some say
1:34:34
one thing yeah we we took as a while in
1:34:46
San Remo to actually figure out what to
1:34:48
do not really user-friendly I didn't
1:34:50
find yeah once really figured we like
1:34:52
okay the apps got to be open yeah the
1:34:55
forms got to be little poll day long
1:34:59
yeah but now they've got the team are
1:35:02
invested in some stuff that the same
1:35:04
care that Lloyd user specializes being
1:35:07
news in yet which is only good for time
1:35:09
in sections and that is it so you've got
1:35:13
to have each bacon has to be within
1:35:20
good for time inception so I use free
1:35:23
web stuff and I'm just trying to hold as
1:35:25
many watches as I can find yeah nice so
1:35:31
obviously taking you out of the equation
1:35:34
because you're obviously going to back
1:35:35
yourself the rest wins and for the
1:35:37
overall as you should and do you think
1:35:40
we're going to see the same faces
1:35:41
fighting for the podium so we you know
1:35:43
you're thinking is gonna be on it I
1:35:45
think so yeah obviously there's a couple
1:35:47
of guys that last year when we talk
1:35:50
about podiums I think there was probably
1:35:53
less than you might know this judge a
1:35:57
people may be on the podium different
1:36:00
places yeah so those was like Laurie
1:36:06
Matt great troyler Reese Greg Morris
1:36:13
open as AIDS yeah I don't think I don't
1:36:25
think it's gonna change I think you've
1:36:27
got Finn you've got Matt there's there's
1:36:32
guys that Reese there there is some guys
1:36:34
that I'm I did that can do it like 100
1:36:37
percent but to be consistent isn't is
1:36:41
another matter like we've said well good
1:36:45
to see more people up there especially
1:36:47
for or to help me last year
1:36:50
yeah who is your favorite ready to to
1:36:54
watch Danny who do you like
1:36:56
if you're not gonna win who I mean
1:36:58
obviously prefer probably Matt to win
1:37:00
but who not even on a winning thing
1:37:03
Jimmy like who's the most dense but is
1:37:06
it the pay run on the ragged edge
1:37:08
because he you know or is it Bruni a bit
1:37:10
more calculated peon on the ragged edges
1:37:15
impressive I've also seen period I'm
1:37:17
riding in Whistler like from ridin and
1:37:19
he can ride like obviously he can ride
1:37:21
but like he can through a big way he can
1:37:26
he's stylish you know his him he's not
1:37:29
just that res machine which a lot of
1:37:33
people think I think I have lasting when
1:37:35
our married okay I used to not so much
1:37:38
used to but as times changed and like
1:37:42
with Instagram and stuff like that we'll
1:37:45
seeing what people can do yeah like it's
1:37:49
made me sort of fade into that sort of
1:37:52
reserved attitude but when I think about
1:37:56
watching the Red Sea there's so many
1:38:01
different styles now you've got loris
1:38:03
who's smooth like looks really
1:38:07
effortless and then you've got Brook and
1:38:10
you've got blinky and you go then guys
1:38:12
that are just like just no respect for
1:38:15
anything and just smashing just smashing
1:38:18
it it's it's hard to to pick someone I
1:38:23
like to wash it's nice to see Greg
1:38:25
sometimes when he's riding well cos he
1:38:28
saw a fat listen I know what he's pushed
1:38:32
on over the last couple years and his
1:38:34
style I believe has changed his is that
1:38:37
to let it hang out a little more I
1:38:40
remember watching last you know speaking
1:38:43
with Sofia that's Joey obviously stands
1:38:45
at the bomb watching she said she I've
1:38:48
never seen Greg right like that I watch
1:38:50
it back and I can see what she means to
1:38:51
Greg's really changed his style it
1:38:55
here's a stat for you and this isn't one
1:38:57
I'd go doubt this isn't one male-male
1:38:59
told me if the well Cup Series last year
1:39:02
had been run like an Indira
1:39:05
pyram would have been Wesson and I
1:39:07
couldn't do it to give it back to you
1:39:10
was would've won by four seconds and
1:39:12
there's no question here on would have
1:39:14
been got too much time when his I
1:39:16
thought I had time on my own
1:39:18
he's got no racing he's I want this
1:39:23
question to Sofia and she said well my
1:39:27
god next to it I almost just deleted it
1:39:32
and I was like now I'll just give it
1:39:33
George I'm gonna skip some yeah go where
1:39:47
you want to go in yeah of course
1:39:50
do you think he can begin the form and
1:39:53
challenge for the overall like yeah I
1:39:58
see on the question you've put he looks
1:40:00
good on the internet and all this but
1:40:03
that's the sit anyone can look good on
1:40:06
the Internet
1:40:07
I kind of speaking to I was speaking to
1:40:11
like yesterday it was an insane how he
1:40:15
comes into the season and you watching
1:40:17
everybody on Instagram and Facebook and
1:40:19
like oh my god what am I going to do
1:40:22
and then you get to the first race and
1:40:24
the cream always rises to the top
1:40:25
doesn't it and then people just fade
1:40:30
back away into their little wherever
1:40:33
they are
1:40:34
yeah but Gwyn like he can always turn
1:40:38
him on I guess like he's think he needs
1:40:42
to get his heart set on a bike and just
1:40:46
learn to ride it maybe it seems to be
1:40:48
changing a lot looks like he's maybe
1:40:51
found something many likes now and it's
1:40:53
just about waiting to say I'm sure he's
1:40:57
working hard and he'll be good to see
1:41:00
back up there like consistently because
1:41:03
he's trying some unreal restaurants over
1:41:09
the years is were all well know and I'd
1:41:12
like to see him back up there that'd be
1:41:14
somebody else to get in the mix and I
1:41:17
think that's what we need hmm and the
1:41:20
wind's getting spread it out a bit
1:41:22
okay how much interest did you take
1:41:27
watching the women's race um reshaping
1:41:29
this question a little bit and after
1:41:31
that kind of shake what we've had in the
1:41:33
girls who are at the top have you kind
1:41:36
of got a girl you fancy to to win some
1:41:39
races and maybe win the overall this
1:41:41
year how are you feeling about how it
1:41:42
might go I'd obviously like this what
1:41:46
we're going through now with this I call
1:41:50
it core fit 19 is to the official term
1:41:52
isn't it well with that someone like
1:41:56
Rachel will be hopefully sat in a house
1:42:00
doing what she can to get better she's
1:42:03
got this is just helping her out and I
1:42:07
would love to see rich I'll get back to
1:42:10
- winning whiz I'll get back to the
1:42:12
front because she worked so hard chair
1:42:15
so many injuries and she's come back so
1:42:17
many times yeah there's always younger
1:42:20
ones coming through and I still think
1:42:23
Rachel it is yeah that was just which is
1:42:38
hard to miss hard is the problem when
1:42:43
three of them get injured it's just not
1:42:47
deep Holland yeah yeah I know
1:42:51
last year the battle for I think first
1:42:55
and second was quite the battle and then
1:42:57
after that up I'm sorry if I missed
1:42:59
anyone or there was more of a battle
1:43:01
with nothing after that from what I can
1:43:03
tell it wasn't really much happening and
1:43:06
marine was riding with him well I stood
1:43:09
on the side of the tractor and she was
1:43:11
impressive I think she'll be the gap you
1:43:21
talked about in the lower woods yeah so
1:43:26
we have had one race this season as I
1:43:29
mentioned you're king of the hill race
1:43:30
off ham story first runs I raced that
1:43:35
saw you their first race runs read
1:43:37
number board order I don't know how but
1:43:39
people were struggling with lining up a
1:43:41
bit and I could see Jones either BC
1:43:44
Connolly says blood pressure rising a
1:43:45
bit second runs were seeded and you must
1:43:49
have been able to see like the chaos
1:43:50
that was about to ensue so you grab the
1:43:52
clipboard and you started lining people
1:43:55
up but at some point you were running
1:43:56
you remember you running back to the
1:43:58
cabin to get one guy and you were
1:43:59
dragging people into line what really
1:44:02
struck me was the knew knew pretty much
1:44:05
every rider there by name
1:44:08
and I can't think of many World Cup
1:44:10
races that you know I've met that would
1:44:12
have aired um that with a clipboard or
1:44:14
be be so often and personable is that
1:44:17
something you're conscious of is it
1:44:19
something you try to do
1:44:20
yes I've gotten older and as we've taken
1:44:23
on the bike park I have tried to do more
1:44:28
like along those lines like I went that
1:44:32
weekend in my camper I wasn't sure
1:44:34
whether I was gonna ride or where I was
1:44:37
gonna like help out and might work if
1:44:39
you like and there's a mixed feeling
1:44:43
none of the people here mixed feelings
1:44:45
of me riding at that race people
1:44:47
complain oh he's just gonna win and then
1:44:50
those are the people's there at least we
1:44:53
can race against him yeah so I took the
1:44:57
decision not to race and I also did some
1:45:00
Instagram I filmed and put that online
1:45:03
and and then and then yeah I just
1:45:07
thought I'd help out with the top course
1:45:09
Jonesy was on his own I think I didn't
1:45:11
have anybody else anyone to help line
1:45:15
everybody up I quite enjoyed it I think
1:45:18
there was only a hundred riders so it
1:45:19
wasn't too too challenging your moment
1:45:23
something that I've never done and I've
1:45:25
always been on the other side to help oh
1:45:31
yeah you mom and dad of running the back
1:45:34
part does it does he dad still get us
1:45:35
nervous before the world comes to be
1:45:38
honest like when my parents don't come
1:45:41
to it as many races as they used to any
1:45:43
mobster with having the bike park and my
1:45:46
dad does his own thing with his he's
1:45:48
well into his super bikes and track
1:45:51
bikes he travels all around Europe doing
1:45:53
that so my dad doesn't even watch to be
1:45:57
honest my dad can't watch seems video of
1:46:00
him at the bottom like just was kind of
1:46:03
I don't know if my mom gets nervous I'm
1:46:07
sure she probably does but she puts on a
1:46:09
brave face and I don't have a normal boy
1:46:12
but I know she's always searching for a
1:46:15
signal I'm constantly trying to watch
1:46:16
the race does your dad get that nervous
1:46:20
the Aki comes to follow
1:46:22
he's yeah he's not emotional release
1:46:26
obviously he's invested in it massively
1:46:28
and he's well into a book yeah he's cool
1:46:30
as a cucumber all the feel you just kind
1:46:32
of sees it all unfold and then he's a
1:46:35
really good coach my dad so he's always
1:46:37
quite nice to have around me at the
1:46:38
races because he just tells me as it is
1:46:40
it's this to talk that depends depends
1:46:45
what it is depends what mood I'm in
1:46:46
sometimes yeah my dad and me our
1:46:52
relationship because they want the best
1:46:55
okay exactly yeah exactly
1:46:58
now it's usually fine what's what the
1:47:00
problem now is like and that's why I've
1:47:02
met an effort to get like a proper
1:47:05
mechanic is when my dad was trying to
1:47:08
help look at line just trying to help
1:47:09
with the pits he's trying to drive
1:47:11
around if I'm then also I think I get in
1:47:13
to help with the bike and he's not that
1:47:16
experienced I'm working on my own bikes
1:47:17
that gets a bit stressful that's the
1:47:19
part that takes the fun out of it for us
1:47:21
so when we go racing this year he'll
1:47:24
just be coming to go and look at lines
1:47:25
do some time in be around and help me
1:47:28
with that stuff and he won't have the
1:47:30
pressure of trying to help me change
1:47:32
tires because that's what we start
1:47:33
yelling to each other my dad doesn't mix
1:47:37
his words when it comes to telling me
1:47:40
how it is yeah unless you say it's just
1:47:42
because he's looking out for you isn't
1:47:43
it so I think when they upsell and we
1:47:49
after a risk they're not upset for you
1:47:52
not like you know angry we're at yeah
1:47:57
you know as younger like me and my dad
1:48:00
yeah we would drive home from I don't
1:48:03
know Fort William and not say a word
1:48:05
because he thought I hadn't do my best
1:48:09
or whatever whereas now it's not like
1:48:12
that so much like if I have come down
1:48:14
and and I haven't it's like if I have a
1:48:19
wooden now like because I'm that close
1:48:21
to now really I mean I'm good on the
1:48:23
floor so you can say the
1:48:29
things sometimes is small just because
1:48:33
it's disappointed for angry at me yeah
1:48:37
well I think we're just coming up to
1:48:40
nearly two hours there and I'm not that
1:48:42
confident
1:48:43
I don't know I've never recorded for two
1:48:44
hours before on zoom' so I hope there's
1:48:47
no cutoff at two hours let's call it
1:48:49
there hopefully we'll be back at the
1:48:52
races soon and we'll have a decent
1:48:53
season to look forward to thanks ever so
1:48:56
much for making the time to come on
1:48:57
tonight Danny we really appreciate it
1:48:59
and best of what for 2020 we all we
1:49:02
always love watching you ride thank you
1:49:05
thanks for having me
1:49:08
where's the best place for people to
1:49:10
keep track of user insta then we've got
1:49:19
Facebook which I'm doing quite a lot on
1:49:22
these days as well I'll probably do some
1:49:24
live Q&A in the near future stuff like
1:49:28
that and then my youtube channel as well
1:49:31
I'm not entirely sure what the specific
1:49:35
name is but if you just search my name
1:49:36
then it should come on that's doing
1:49:39
quite well of the woman Jana Turner push
1:49:42
yours jack yeah so similar to Danny
1:49:45
social media and then search me on
1:49:49
YouTube and we've got the mountain bike
1:49:52
live series that we run on there which
1:49:53
is showing kind of behind the scenes of
1:49:56
the racing obviously stuck in limbo a
1:49:59
little bit with that may do some stuff
1:50:00
at home but we'll see well limit it as
1:50:03
Danny says we can't really go riding
1:50:05
properly so we don't want to put our
1:50:07
boring content until ya know fit for a
1:50:10
certain either well I'm really lucky
1:50:13
like I don't like gyms I've got my own
1:50:16
walk by my own roller my own rack I've
1:50:19
got everything I need here so yeah that
1:50:23
investment in myself that I made a
1:50:24
couple years ago has been yeah I was
1:50:26
really that's hard for yeah we can
1:50:30
convert the garage carport it's like a
1:50:32
gym workshop so yeah I'm now very glad I
1:50:37
did that
1:50:39
don't Hopkins well we're up making up
1:50:44
the numbers racing
1:50:45
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