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Blenki to Cube? Madison to quit DH? A new rider on Pivot Factory Racing? Just some of the team rumours discussed in this episode of the pod. We’ve also got the inimitable Bernard Kerr talking about hitting those 90ft Hardline jumps for the first time, his love of women’s racing and if he could add any rider to the Pivot FactoryRacing team, who would it be? Plus, do World Cup jumps need new standards, like motocross, to make them safer? And does anyone know what's happening with ESO next season?
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thank you
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welcome to the making of the numbers
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hello and welcome to season four episode
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10 of the Pod so for the next couple of
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episodes I thought we'd do something a
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little bit different and throw it open
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to Jack and Emily to choose our guests
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the only stipulation being that they
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have to choose people who we've never
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had on the Pod before and I can assure
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you they've not let us down first up is
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Emily and it will be no surprise to many
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of you but she picked a rider who waited
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until he was 31 to have his breakout
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season and I'm really excited about
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welcoming Bernard Kerr onto the podcast
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but first I need to do a little bit of
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housekeeping and give a shout out to a
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few people the first is at Primos on the
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vital forum who tracked down where I got
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the wind Masters to replace Rob Warner
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rumor from it was first mooted by user K
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stack in the comments section on the win
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TV Snowshoe track walk video and it's a
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relief to hear that I didn't dream it so
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thank you very much for that
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no I did actually think at one point
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have I made this up uh no response from
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win on that one but I did see he was
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filming with gmbn last week so maybe has
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got likes Jack Emmy if either of you
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heard anything on that one
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um
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no but I think he was in uh Barcelona
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with first Valencia in Barcelona with
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Burnett so maybe we could throw a little
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question in there for Bernie we'll see
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what he says yeah I think his silence I
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tagged him in loads of stuff on
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Instagram and his silence perhaps speaks
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volumes do you reckon so is he is it
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just that someone made a comment on a
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video saying he would be good at
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replacing Rob Warner or is it actually
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someone who knows something who said he
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might replace one
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not sure if care stack knows anything it
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wasn't like it would be good to see you
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I don't think I think it was like have
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you signed with Discovery yet or
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something like that I can't quite
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remember right okay
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I also need to mention fake tape machine
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who was the winner of the making of the
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numbers fantasy league mini league on
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pink bike with a whopping
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5230 points so congratulations to you
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and the final person I need to give a
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shout out to is Martin Whiteley Keane
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listers will remember that I asked Greg
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Minar if he ever if he ever had a season
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without a World Cup Podium and Greg
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couldn't remember and I didn't know the
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answer either but I knew Martin would
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and he dropped me a note to say since
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Greg got his first World Cup podium in
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2000 he's only had one season where he
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failed to Podium that was 2018 when he
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broke his arm training just before Fort
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William and missed a bunch of rounds so
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thank you for that mine if you haven't
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checked Martin's recent double header on
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downtime it's a great listen as is the
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Geordie Cortez one on vile shout out to
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Jordy which segs nicely into our first
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team rumor so there's a promo going
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around for a ghost Factory racing team
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video called breaking the tape either of
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you see that
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no I've seen the trailer and I've seen
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Martin in it that's what I was gonna do
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it
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okay yeah it looks like it focuses on XC
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quite a lot but Martin's in it quite a
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lot and I think the first episode drops
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this week we we know Martin will be back
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on the World Cup circuit next year no
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downhill bike on the market at the
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moment but do you think ghost could be
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his destination
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I don't know well they have a neurobike
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and they have a Slavic am I right so I
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mean why not
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um
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but I know he's the representative for
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the team manager for cross-country as
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well so maybe he's going to just focus
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on cross-country I don't know
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I think he was he said somewhere he was
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talking to a couple of Brands and he was
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coming back to downhill that's what I
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heard too so it could be it yeah
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you heard anything Jack any ideas where
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Martin might end up no absolutely not
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um I'd seen that he'd been signing bits
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and Bobs and I'm sure he's listening now
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so yeah all right George another email
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let us know what's going on or maybe you
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can just give us a little clue
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the next episode so the only other rumor
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I'm aware of was that Cuba hiring a
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third mechanic so Max has just resigned
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with them on a multi-year contract it
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looks like Danny's going to be there for
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a third season at least as he's been out
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testing with them recently any ideas
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about a third Rider who who'd be a good
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Cube
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with Danny and Max are any young German
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or Austrian riders coming through
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trying to think that's an Emmy well
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maybe
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anyone really because there's a lot of
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people looking for teams
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I mean we don't know where Andrew is
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going to go we don't know exactly asked
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I'm gonna go maybe he's gonna be a
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better Runner than we think and Norco
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needed to Norco had some riders that
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need a new home so there's a lot of
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people that's out and about so yeah I
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was going to ask about Blinky actually
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because you know it looked like he was
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heading towards retirement and then he
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grabbed eighth at Monson and just one
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crank Works Rotorua don't look like he's
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winding down does it
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no and he's always doing well like in
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the also like the smaller races like
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prank works like always winning national
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champs are like real close to it so
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all these little races probably give him
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like that extra push that he needs to
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um hang on and maybe try to like
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get a Podium again I think he would get
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if you get a top five like I think it's
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gonna he's gonna retire you know when
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brands are looking for Riders how much
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like importance do they place on like
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the style and the the name like someone
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like Blinky
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would they choose someone like Blinky do
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you think of as someone who's younger
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and regularly in the top
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30.
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I don't know it depends a bit what kind
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of bread you already have in your roster
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like we have someone like Danny Hart
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obviously you're gonna go maybe for
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someone younger yeah but because Danny
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has a style and he has consistency and
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everything but if you have like only
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young people on your team maybe you go
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for someone like baking that has
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experiences in style book obviously
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Blinky has it all I mean it's just like
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whatever you're searching for but I
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think I'm not really sure he will have a
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trouble finding sponsors but no I could
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be wrong I don't know what you think um
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Jack but
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yeah I think pretty much the same it'll
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certainly need to be somebody that Danny
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gets on with and I know that Sam does
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spend time with Danny when he's over in
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the UK especially with them having kids
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a similar age so
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would be a good fit
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um obviously as you just said very
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marketable Rider everyone loves him so
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yeah your ale wants you want to find a
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new home so there's not a lot else out
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there team rumor why is it have you guys
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heard anything
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yeah I've got something for you
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oh go on then
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um
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I heard that the both
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um
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um
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what's her name Remy Ma Smith and mcmah
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Smith again the giant both
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yeah and we said that last time keep up
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no yeah yeah you said that yeah
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but I can tell you for sure all right
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confirmation it's a confirmation but
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probably you said I can't remember you
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said that yeah that's been if you hear
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that from oh you got me all excited yeah
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he's been kicking around for a while is
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that one I think that'll be a good team
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with Remy Tyrion in those I've got
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another one but I can't tell you though
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this is Secret
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I don't care
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out of you because I've got a gut
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feeling it might be it might be wrong so
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I was thinking about the rumors we've
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discussed over the last two episodes and
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I was having to think about the spaces
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that will become available if those
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rumors happen so probably the best place
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to start would be Madison saracen if
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Jordan Harry and Vera do all leave as
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he's rumored who do you think might come
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in to fill those spots well cam just
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told me she heard that Madison might
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quit
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might don't have a team at all that's
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what she just told me she's like someone
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some she heard that somewhere so that's
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the only the second thing I heard well
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no I don't know
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if that student who wears is Matt Walker
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going but maybe it's not true that's
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that would be huge because then it's
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camp sport
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[Laughter]
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well I I think that's very unlikely
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um
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possible but unlikely and I know that
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from talking with saracen myself
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through my team
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and they told me that they were quite
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happy with their own Factory team and
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were weren't looking to add to it
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um I know that Matt's very happy there
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and Matt's a friend of mine we've got a
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stag do with him fairly soon so
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I'd be amazed if it is true
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um
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who's always drunk
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no I'm joking that's not the one
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so let's say let's say Madison saracen
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is still in the game they will likes a
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particular type of Rider doesn't he
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likes races rather than um people who
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are big on socials who what kind of
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Rider would would Matt Walker want on
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the team because that's that's probably
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the right the thing they're looking for
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in is somebody to support Matt
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British you'd say British would you say
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Jack
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um yeah for sure with it being Madison
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sarson they've always have their heads
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they've had one foreign ride around
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there I can't remember Alex Alex Marion
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Road for him for a bit well Alex was
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there yeah I was thinking of um
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I can't remember his name Japanese it
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was Japanese
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I'm sure he was at saris in a while
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I can't remember his name he wasn't Yuki
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he was him yeah yeah
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apparently for a buy-in but apparently
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he was there what a few years back hey
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he was there a few years back
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um but yeah I mean Matt's top five Rider
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and he said they're not going to get
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another top 10 Rider so yeah I honestly
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think it's probably more likely that
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they look to replenish their Junior and
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youth stock
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um I can't remember if we mentioned it
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but I'm I'm pretty sure that George
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madly the youth Rider is going to
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Madison from everything I heard that as
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well yeah so he's he'll be there as a
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second year Youth and then
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the question will be do they replace
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Jordan but
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Owen Rick is the probably the fastest
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second year Junior of 2023 in the UK and
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as far as I'm aware he's coming to me so
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yeah
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um
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Junior then they're gonna have to
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probably look elsewhere in terms of
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which country they're signing from
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um so be interesting somebody like Luke
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Williamson
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yeah
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yeah there's no reason why not his young
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he's fast
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I I can see that team just just stay in
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that for you yeah I think it sounds like
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it's been a rather unhappy camp for 12
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months with lots of uh
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politics should we call it
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um about diving into any more details
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and I think they're probably just
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thinking let's just
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get [ __ ] steady again that would be my
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Approach as the team manager if I was
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yeah if Will was allowed to decide
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himself my Approach would be get the
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ship steady again and then look to
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expand yeah so if Scott take Cove to
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replace floor and paye who goes to
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Atherton to replace him
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rumors have run and done
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this is the that was the one I thought
12:47
your first is saying she mentioned that
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last time didn't you
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yeah
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I haven't talked to
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um
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to anyone about that but it could be but
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yeah I haven't
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they're probably talking but I I've
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asked Bernard for rumors they didn't
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tell me anything
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except the one that you already no that
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was that was the one I thought I might
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prize out of you if it was if it was a
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definite no it's another one a definite
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happening well we'll leave the rumors
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there a few people saying nice things
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about the hypothetical question in the
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last episode so so let's do another one
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of those
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so let's imagine you guys are building a
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downhill teammate and you're picking two
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male Riders and one female Rider forget
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marketability it's just purely risk
13:38
success in 2023 a one-year deal I'm
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gonna give you three batches of
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varieties to choose from so let's start
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with your lead Rider and these these
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guys all finished between 8th and 13th
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in the overall in 2022 so your choice is
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from
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Aaron Gwen Danny Hart
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Greg Minar T blood and Matt Walker who
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you're choosing who would you put your
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money on for 2023 from those ladies
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first unless you want time to think
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because I know my answer no no but like
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you said
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who is your money owner who's gonna when
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you're picking the team because that for
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me there are two different things
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you know I mean like you you want to
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take a rider that you
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like
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I want to pick it right that I like as
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well all right okay yeah you know what I
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mean like it's someone that you think is
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going to be fast but you also want
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someone that
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my question there is who on that list
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don't you like
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thank you so much
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all of them except might walk in I'm
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just no but it's just like not like in a
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sense of like who do you want to work
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with yeah yeah I'm I know exactly what
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you mean exactly so I want to work with
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Matt Walker because I think he's young
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and he's just like
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let's put them in itself and I think
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he's a good beat writer yeah yeah and
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and it'd be exciting to see him under a
15:10
different tent yep that's something I've
15:12
always said like obviously I've known
15:13
Matt since he was like they went on a
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riding holiday with him and his dad when
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he was like 13.
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um and I've always thought it would be
15:20
exciting to see him in a different Camp
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um obviously he does extremely well and
15:24
the camp is in but yeah it would just be
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quite cool to see him on a Specialized
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or on a
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stop the cruise or a pivot or something
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and hopefully a faster bite you mean
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no I genuinely don't even mean that no I
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I actually just spent a different
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program but yeah maybe if he was on one
15:45
of the one of the big bikes then okay
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I know you look at that bite though and
15:52
look what he's doing it's the rider man
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it is they were on a wooden stick and
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he'd be the fastest runner yep like
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this Market that's how these companies
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Market their stuff like
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that's why they spend all the money on
16:06
the big Riders to make their bikes look
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great
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yeah anyway
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um
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so a tough one for me because like I
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said Matt's good friend of mine
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um gwinny and Minar are obviously like
16:21
Legends Danny's Danny's always going to
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produce great results but my choice
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would be T-bird and that for me is
16:30
because I run a development program and
16:33
I just see so much potential there
16:36
that's not been
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um
16:39
you know it hasn't done what it has just
16:42
yet and I would love to work with Tebow
16:44
myself as his performance coach so that
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that would be my choice there
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okay cool and your support Rider these
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guys all finished between 15th and 24th
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in in 2022 so you've got Charlie Hatton
16:57
Dylan Levesque Dakota Norton Angel
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Suarez and Lucas Shaw
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it's a really easy one for me Luca
17:08
is that because it's just like I think
17:11
he should be or he could almost be in
17:13
the first yeah
17:15
because it's just like his potential is
17:17
just like
17:18
he's a big hitter in me and he's such a
17:20
good guy and he has his girlfriend and
17:22
you know he spreads he's
17:27
starting with Yolanda oh yeah that's all
17:29
it is
17:33
like a few Podium so he's nearly enough
17:35
it shows that yeah
17:37
so yeah yeah I mean for sure Dark Angel
17:42
Luca are you you're kind of three Heavy
17:44
Hitters there that I mean was Angel
17:45
number seven or some last year or he was
17:49
he was in the top ten at one point
17:50
wasn't he and then yeah
17:53
top 15 almost every race and he's also
17:56
young you know he's coming over for sure
17:57
definitely
17:59
that's what I was just about to say
18:00
you've got and Charlie Dylan and Charlie
18:03
who are there on on way can upward curve
18:06
my it's again an incredibly tough choice
18:10
and you could probably guarantee that
18:12
whichever one you chose you'd get
18:13
halfway through the season and go oh
18:14
[ __ ] I should have a big one
18:16
um but I'd choose Charlie
18:19
um
18:19
just because in my opinion he has one of
18:23
the if not the best writing style on the
18:25
circuit I absolutely love watching that
18:27
kid ride Charlie's hinge and elbows and
18:31
the way he clearly links his legs with
18:34
what he's doing up front with his with
18:35
his arms is it just looks like it
18:38
balances the bite perfectly and
18:40
um it's a very coachable technique as
18:42
well and having him around for everyone
18:44
else in the team would be would be great
18:46
and also I
18:48
he just seems to be just ticking boxes
18:50
over the last few years and I'd like to
18:53
think next year is going to going to be
18:55
a big one so Charlie would be my
18:57
supporter out of there
18:59
excellent and Elite women one from these
19:02
four and they all finished between
19:03
seventh and 14th so you've got Jess
19:05
Blewett Millie Johnson and a new Kirk
19:08
and Louise Ferguson
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oh this is so hard for me
19:13
because you want to pick Louise Ferguson
19:16
no because I think that's just something
19:20
that's your Rider or not no just a GT
19:22
just a GTA I thought just
19:26
I think Luis is like probably the right
19:29
the rider with the most like who could
19:32
progress the most in racing
19:35
but I don't know if she has like the
19:39
racist mind
19:40
yeah you know like because she wants
19:43
like she wants to be a better writer I
19:45
don't know she's like a racing killer
19:47
like cam whooping
19:49
and that's something really important if
19:51
you want to race downhill
19:53
and
19:55
well just blew it is for sure the
19:57
fastest Rider but
19:59
she's not the most consistent
20:02
she has a lot of crashes a lot of
20:04
injuries
20:05
and so those meetings so I think I'll
20:07
we'll get Anna Newport because she was
20:10
born in Switzerland and I know her for a
20:12
while and I think I think she'll Harvest
20:14
this past that soon and it will be a
20:16
chance for us to have like some kind of
20:19
a future another one yeah for sure
20:21
because there is no one there's like
20:23
13 years old girls but in between
20:26
there's like maybe one junior or with a
20:29
second one but it's not a lot of people
20:30
around and I want to support the people
20:32
that are close also
20:34
and I think Anna has a great potential
20:37
but she doesn't believe in herself
20:38
enough yeah I think
20:41
I will be able in that setting I will be
20:44
able to like give her that
20:46
step up that confidence because she's a
20:49
top 10 Rider and she could get put him
20:51
easily if she would like
20:52
believe in herself a bit more yeah for
20:55
sure
20:56
I've spent quite a bit of time with her
20:58
through the SS on tour connection she's
21:00
a lovely girl as well like she's she's
21:02
really nice so she's awesome it's nice
21:04
to see him all four but I think it'll be
21:07
my pain yeah because I'm a CIS Patriot
21:11
that's fine nothing wrong with that
21:17
I I think I'd again tough one
21:22
um but I think I'd go with Jess
21:24
I she's probably kind of same kind of
21:28
ilka's Tebow some kind of as you just
21:31
said I mean lots of flair lots of uh
21:34
lots of pace just needs a little bit of
21:36
uh
21:38
a little bit of coaching a little bit of
21:39
guidance and she could be you know
21:42
obviously winning lots of races so I
21:43
think that would be my choice would you
21:45
listen to you though
21:48
I've literally never we've never said a
21:51
word to each other so who knows I
21:53
genuinely thought on the on the two sets
21:56
of guys I thought uh there's no clear
21:58
winner here but on the women's I thought
22:00
you would both pick just blue it I
22:01
thought she was kind of a little bit
22:03
ahead yeah realistically you have to
22:05
because I think she's a step ahead of
22:07
the others but yeah
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22:11
it's someone that had so many injuries
22:13
already and
22:15
I don't know like
22:17
she's someone also that has huge
22:19
aspirations you know like she wants to
22:21
race hardliner she wants to do all this
22:24
kind of stuff which is I think is
22:25
awesome yeah it also involves a lot of
22:28
risks you know yeah in that mindset
22:31
and
22:33
I don't know if I can as a team manager
22:36
I will be able to deal with that you
22:38
know like I'll be like oh my God
22:40
George could you tell us what yours were
22:42
I don't think you did yeah
22:45
I'll have to do it on the spot then you
22:49
wrote it
22:50
oh
22:52
yeah I'd throw my money and see about
22:54
the prayer yeah for sure I knew that
23:01
that next one is yeah that next one is
23:03
the tough one because I think Dakota
23:06
if he was more consistent
23:09
I've probably got Dakota Norton
23:11
but yeah I would have to go Lucas Shore
23:13
I think yeah because Angel isn't
23:15
consistent either Luca is a sensible
23:17
choice I just I love Charlie and I'm
23:19
crossing my fingers for next year for
23:21
Charlie so and then Jess blew it on the
23:25
yeah on the other one yeah
23:27
so yeah I like these questions they
23:30
provoke some some good debate right
23:32
we'll be back with Bernard Kerr after
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these messages this is one of those
23:36
weird things that happens in life
23:38
Bernard Kerr has been racing forever 261
23:41
results on Route Zone
23:43
I've I've been racing since 2014 76
23:47
races both obviously UK's best but until
23:50
about two minutes ago we'd never met
23:52
before welcome to the podcast Bernard
23:54
how's it going good yeah thanks for
23:55
having me on busy enjoying the rain in
23:57
the UK again but yeah having a good time
23:59
excellent you just got back from
24:01
Barcelona was it yeah Boston I got back
24:03
this morning at 8am this morning yeah
24:05
and how long were you there for I was in
24:07
Barcelona for one day and Valencia at
24:09
two
24:10
was it work or was it fun uh kind of fun
24:13
we went me and myself and win went to
24:15
what went to watch the Moto GP for two
24:17
days so that was awesome and then we
24:19
rode like hardtails around Barcelona
24:21
like little kids again for a day which
24:22
was pretty cool
24:24
so uh when I was looking at those races
24:27
on roots and rain I did a little head to
24:29
head and we've only actually been at the
24:31
same race once round round three of the
24:34
2016 BDS at Bala
24:37
I'm gonna ask you a question about it
24:39
you were eight that day with a 312 and I
24:42
crossed the line in five minutes and
24:44
seven seconds I must have flat flatted
24:47
or something but um Pop Quiz can you
24:50
remember who took the win that day
24:52
at Bala yeah 2016. I've got a clue if
24:56
you need one
25:00
who would do good at Bala
25:02
that's all I'm trying to think whether
25:04
it was like Mark Beaumont or Joe Smith
25:06
or someone I don't know you need to
25:07
think we're more out of the box yeah it
25:09
was his only he's only National win so
25:12
far probably is only National win ever
25:15
Harry Heath
25:17
no that's too far out the box so in
25:20
Instagram
25:22
Ennis Graham no way yeah yeah I remember
25:24
that as well I would not have guessed
25:26
that that's wild I think he was standing
25:28
between G and Steve on the podium I
25:30
think
25:35
crazy results all over the show and
25:38
years apart but he's got it's all well
25:40
in your ews lately yeah
25:43
so 2013 was the last year you risked
25:46
Nationals regularly is that a conscious
25:48
thing or not to do them or is it just
25:50
time no way it's honestly it'll be more
25:52
time because we do World Cups and crank
25:55
works and a hard line and I do some
25:57
street races and other things and if you
25:59
want to be competitive I think at World
26:01
Cups these days you've got to ride
26:03
mountains a lot and a lot of downhill
26:04
and to race Nationals it takes a lot of
26:07
time if you're in Europe it takes at
26:10
least a day travel each way you're not
26:12
going to ride much when you're there
26:14
okay you'll Race but for the amount of
26:17
riding
26:18
and the amount of coverage you get it
26:20
takes a lot of time and a lot of money
26:21
yeah I don't see the benefit really
26:24
either way for World Cups whether you're
26:25
trying to get sponsors yeah the amount
26:27
of coverage you get is not worth the 2
26:29
000 pounds or 1500 could it cost me to
26:31
go to One National
26:33
and so yeah it's like a money and time I
26:36
guess thing
26:37
cool so so you're left to excuse me here
26:39
because I've been down a bit of a rabbit
26:41
hole yeah you you Jack and Brayton are
26:44
all around the same age and I remember
26:46
you were all on the 2017 worlds team
26:48
together and whilst I was on routes and
26:50
me and I was like I'll have a look at
26:52
some stats here and this this is going
26:54
to blow your mind so you've all got
26:55
around 260 races on there and there's
26:58
been there's been 71 races where the
27:00
three of you have all rest together
27:03
71 71 yeah so if I tell you that your
27:07
combined race time for those 71 races is
27:11
4 hours 36 minutes and 53 seconds
27:14
tell me if you think Jack and Brett and
27:16
are faster or slower
27:19
I like to back myself so I want to say
27:21
I'm faster but
27:22
of course you will not say well I reckon
27:26
at Nationals though I reckon they both
27:28
smoked me a lot on Nationals I was never
27:30
that good at Nationals yeah it's a lot
27:32
of races or 71's a lot of World Cups in
27:34
it it is but
27:36
I've taken a while to get good at work
27:38
I'm so
27:40
ah I think Brayton might be ahead of me
27:43
and Jack maybe behind oh yeah I Don't
27:45
Know Jack had a real good year and like
27:47
what was it like 2014 maybe when he did
27:50
good at valsol I'm guessing at the year
27:52
there
27:53
was two years in a row and rejected
27:54
really good at like Valdosta and had
27:56
like Good Seasons like you know when
27:57
you're on a roll you go well so so
27:59
Jack's figures are a bit skewed because
28:01
he had a slow start the second race when
28:03
the three you mean I was [ __ ] yeah yeah
28:06
yeah
28:11
the second race when you race Together
28:13
Jack lost a minute to the pair of you at
28:15
Fort William so he is is Jax you run
28:19
four hours 36 minutes and 53 seconds and
28:22
Jack was on four hours 43 minutes and 16
28:24
seconds crazy Britain is on four hours
28:29
36 minutes and 48 seconds he's five
28:32
seconds ahead of you bastard let's see
28:37
five seconds after over four and a half
28:40
hours of racing how crazy isn't he crazy
28:42
but you've got more wins one more
28:45
Hardline win against him and you'll have
28:47
him yeah no yeah I lost I lost a minute
28:49
then there anyway what I was trying to
28:52
show was that you guys are all around
28:53
the same age you've been resting forever
28:55
and if you were a betting man you'd
28:57
probably say 2022 your best results
28:59
coming into 2022 your best results were
29:02
probably behind you you had that sweet
29:03
spot around 2016 17 when you got seventh
29:07
at Leo going fifth in Valley Soul fifth
29:10
Leo going fifth of the breast did you
29:12
feel that might be the case coming into
29:14
this season or did it feel a bit
29:16
different
29:17
feel that what my sweet spot of God I
29:19
feel that I was good yeah did you feel I
29:21
felt like every year I feel like I'm
29:22
going to do good or I wouldn't wouldn't
29:23
turn up if I'm honest if I didn't think
29:26
I was maybe gonna get a Podium I
29:27
wouldn't turn up so no I genuinely
29:30
believe like every year I think
29:32
especially this year that I was on for
29:33
it and yeah no I felt pretty confident I
29:36
trained really hard everything was good
29:37
we had new tires with Continental so
29:39
yeah I was pretty stoked for it and
29:41
pretty like confident I guess Jack do
29:44
you feel the same do you feel coming
29:45
into the
29:46
same mentality the target isn't Podium
29:49
obviously my my target is if if I was
29:52
going into a season thinking oh I'm on a
29:57
good day I'm not going to be pushing top
29:58
20 then then yeah I would start doing
30:00
something else
30:01
um or go into more of a purely
30:03
management coaching role but yeah
30:05
exactly the same mentality if you go
30:07
into it thinking yeah I've had a good
30:09
off season I'm gonna feel good yeah
30:10
exactly otherwise you're as a race you
30:13
just want to enjoy it so there's no
30:14
point stuck yeah you've got to feel good
30:15
about yourself and like you know I guess
30:17
you're going to achieve what you want to
30:19
achieve or you're going to achieve like
30:21
I've put this work in if I don't achieve
30:23
this it's not worth it so you've got to
30:24
feel like yeah the work is worth it yeah
30:27
so early 30s isn't old by any stretch do
30:30
you think we're kind of writing off
30:32
Riders a bit too soon nowadays or is it
30:34
I do I don't think anyone's writing us
30:37
off that maybe but I don't know
30:38
everyone's on such good bikes now like
30:40
it's 10 15 years ago someone could be on
30:42
a bike twice as good as someone else and
30:44
we have great equipment but everyone has
30:46
pretty good equipment now it's pretty
30:48
you're fighting for tents rather than
30:50
fighting for like five seconds against a
30:52
lot of people so I think we have that
30:55
that's cool maybe it's easier because
30:57
we're going smoother with nice
30:58
suspension these days than the old [ __ ]
31:00
everyone used to have
31:01
but no yeah I think if you want you've
31:05
got years left in it but I've done 15
31:07
World Cup Seasons now so it's quite a
31:09
few
31:10
yeah you beat me now you're 15 I got 14.
31:16
foreign
31:18
so before we run through
31:20
um your whole season let's start with
31:22
the important bits so tell us a bit
31:24
story about team bus how do they come
31:26
about
31:27
team bus was we needed to get rid of the
31:29
truck because the truck was going oh and
31:31
stuff and
31:33
I looked at the option of like a real
31:35
big either like an Arctic like a lot of
31:36
teams have they're a huge hassle they
31:38
have to get tested all the time etc etc
31:40
or just another big rigid but everyone
31:43
has a truck and I was like how can we be
31:45
different how can we stand out have
31:46
something cooler and Ollie's friend Seb
31:50
Ollie Wilkins friend Seb works on these
31:52
school buses in the UK he's like a
31:54
primer on them
31:55
we kind of thought about it and I like
31:57
came up with the idea and then I was
31:59
like I don't know then my brother Boris
32:00
was like no I think it's a good idea and
32:01
he kind of like backed my idea of it he
32:03
like gave me confidence in my like you
32:06
know I could maybe do this what do you
32:07
think because before I actually got the
32:09
first track I was trying to buy a double
32:10
decker bus that was my idea for my first
32:12
team track was a double decker bus to be
32:14
different but they're too high for
32:16
Europe everything has to be four or four
32:17
point two meters in Europe it can't be
32:18
higher or you've got such a headache on
32:21
your hands you'll get grounded in
32:22
Germany and all sorts which I've learned
32:24
a long way I've learned a lot about
32:25
a lot about tracking but um so I
32:28
originally wanted that couldn't got the
32:30
track and then I kind of came back to
32:31
study of a school bus and trying to save
32:34
money as well like if you buy a rigid
32:36
and do it well you're looking like 120
32:38
150 Grand
32:39
it's like not a cheap thing to go from
32:41
scratch and I wanted to go from scrap so
32:43
it was how we wanted it so kind of did
32:46
that then we're at Snowshoe there was
32:48
some there
32:48
jumped on one of the shuttle Vehicles
32:50
there I was like yeah this thing's rad
32:51
so talk to the guy in the UK actually
32:54
before that in the middle of summer last
32:56
year so June or July before Hardline we
32:58
went and viewed the guy that builds them
33:00
in the UK
33:01
and then yeah the day after Snowshoe we
33:04
drove from snowshoed like Philadelphia
33:07
basically we drove like eight hours from
33:08
the race last year Tess drove this one
33:11
bus that my brother found online
33:13
and um I was like yeah this is the one
33:15
let's get it and bought it like two
33:16
weeks later
33:18
shipped her over
33:20
excellent yeah that's cool
33:23
um yeah I really enjoyed to be in the
33:24
bus this is like very it's cool everyone
33:27
loves it everyone that comes like to the
33:29
team they are like oh yeah let's see the
33:31
bus so yeah I think you've had a pretty
33:33
great idea there
33:35
um so yeah running through your season
33:38
uh first one in Lords
33:42
um yeah you see the 33rd
33:44
yeah and then and then I think he had a
33:48
bit of trouble on on in in seeding but
33:51
then
33:52
um you had a good
33:54
good final until you had that mechanical
33:56
that um was a bit annoying
34:00
um yeah like I spoke to the tape or
34:03
something like something yeah
34:06
the 20th was not the worst result
34:08
considering a mechanical no it was a
34:10
weird one laws I think everyone
34:11
struggled to get into it I had so much
34:13
to get rid of the bus and everything and
34:15
then
34:16
I think practice was so weird jack will
34:18
know as well and you were there we need
34:19
to see it like how you waited an hour
34:21
and a half two hours between each run
34:23
yeah I don't think it would normally get
34:25
to me I just struggled to get into it I
34:26
was just I couldn't find the race Pace
34:29
that I know I had I had the fitness I
34:30
had the race Pace yeah I really
34:32
struggled I think in time practice to
34:34
like go quick and then even the race I
34:36
was just like in qualifying I was like I
34:38
don't know chem 33rd and I was like what
34:39
am I doing and then really worked out
34:42
race day morning I was like right we're
34:43
on we've got to go quick
34:45
felt night and day difference and then
34:47
yeah got a slow flat like halfway down
34:48
because the spoke went through the rim
34:49
tape and yeah everyone's like oh your
34:51
splits were kind of okay though like
34:52
whatever and I'm like no I know I'm on
34:55
Pace right now and like the bottom third
34:57
of the track there was like my best
34:58
sector all week and I know I felt good
35:00
there so yeah 20th I was pretty gutted
35:03
but I was like I know I'm going quick
35:04
this year so you're like a bit annoyed
35:06
but you know you're on speed so it was a
35:08
weird start for sure
35:10
yeah then you you didn't go to Fort
35:13
William National
35:14
George is written in the script any
35:16
reason why and I laughed I laughed a lot
35:19
about that because I know how you love
35:21
you love that track
35:23
we went you went in practice right with
35:25
with your mechanic you went and did a
35:28
couple of runs there yeah but the
35:30
Nationals are tough one though man it's
35:32
so far so much money you're probably not
35:34
gonna ride much I think half the time of
35:36
being between me and Emily probably Jack
35:37
as well it's been canceled
35:40
so you have to walk walk up to like the
35:43
whole way to do it because they're gonna
35:45
let them work yeah so I I know why you
35:49
wouldn't go but you went despite your
35:51
love for this rough track and I think it
35:55
paid off in Fort William because you you
35:57
see that Faith was probably your best
35:59
result there ever right best qualifying
36:02
it was my best qualifying today even I
36:04
think really I got fourth in time
36:06
practice or whatever it suited to be at
36:08
World Champs but otherwise yeah it was
36:09
my best qualifying ever yeah and then
36:12
obviously you had
36:13
um something with your bash guard in the
36:16
race so you can pedal the last sectors
36:18
who finished six things
36:20
so obviously two races and kind of two
36:23
different like kind of weird Mechanicals
36:26
like unlucky Mechanicals we'll say
36:29
um is it kind of hard as a team manager
36:31
as well like to have the to keep kind of
36:34
keep this mechanical quite as well
36:36
because obviously you you're a racer but
36:38
then yeah yeah no because like the Fort
36:41
William one was my fault I like know
36:43
where I did I kind of just like went too
36:44
far for a rock like pushing and just
36:46
snap the chain device off it like jammed
36:48
the cranks for a bit so I tried to pedal
36:50
on it like jam Jam Jam got them back
36:52
around like right the cranks around
36:53
don't pedal just nurse this sucker home
36:56
like you can hit it good so I just
36:58
didn't pedal the rest because it was
36:59
jammed and then the motorway I cased one
37:01
jump which was just [ __ ] riding cost
37:04
myself so much time and lost time here
37:06
lost time there like I should have been
37:07
able to get a top ten still really if I
37:09
hit the mode to another bit's good but
37:11
yeah and then finish without the chain
37:12
device so I actually could have peddled
37:14
but at the time I thought it was still
37:15
on jammed but yeah it was just my fault
37:17
I just smashed it in a rock it jammed
37:19
and then came off somewhere so yeah you
37:22
could say you've got to keep it quiet
37:23
it's not like
37:24
40 product or a bike thing that was just
37:26
me landing on a rock so that was kind of
37:29
my fault in that one just annoying to
37:31
come 16.
37:33
so after that Lou again I know that's we
37:35
all know the track that you love and
37:37
especially now with a new part at the
37:39
bottom
37:40
um I can't really remember I think you
37:43
crashed in seating as well because
37:44
you're like 101st so I yeah I crashed in
37:47
the stumps and seating oh yeah true true
37:49
because you like to split so like
37:52
probably like around normally and the
37:55
topic is not the best part yeah and then
37:58
in a race well I I remember that you
38:00
were on the top 10 like top 10 splits in
38:02
the bottom obviously your better section
38:04
and then you crashed yeah just split out
38:07
just silly mistake which I was so mad at
38:09
two silly mistakes
38:10
don't know why if I put too much
38:12
pressure myself or I knew I could do a
38:13
Podium there and I was like don't know
38:15
too excited maybe or
38:17
I think I don't even know I think I went
38:18
too slow like tried to write safe and
38:20
then yeah just overthinking it writing
38:22
not like I should overthinking it maybe
38:24
and yeah Leo gang was the account was
38:27
the worst yeah I know I know because I
38:30
know how much you love this track and
38:31
how you can do well in practice you
38:33
looked amazing and then you could see in
38:36
the run that you were like
38:38
maybe didn't really know how much you
38:40
were wanted to push or not and yeah I
38:43
think maybe it's still like dialing in
38:44
the new tires and riding everything and
38:46
just trying to learn like who knows when
38:48
I look back and I still don't even know
38:49
like wire crashed it was so stupid I got
38:51
through like the hard bits did this did
38:53
that and then yeah that's like an easy
38:55
bit on near the entry of the words and
38:56
then right at the end
38:58
foreign
39:08
and after that it seemed like kind of
39:12
like the turning point of your season
39:14
result wise at least maybe not riding
39:16
wise but like result wise because you in
39:18
anxiety you seated 15s and finish top 10
39:21
like with the Ninth Place
39:23
and then you kept it going and well
39:25
known as well with like a nice seating
39:28
finished proteins I know you had a huge
39:30
crash in valenord as well a huge crashes
39:32
so it was not the best weekend behind
39:36
the scenes but you still got it like
39:38
yeah I think and door for me like I was
39:42
really stoked to lenza height I was 0.7
39:44
off the podium and then to hide but like
39:46
that was so as everyone it was such a
39:48
tight track whatever so I went into
39:50
Andorra being like I can kill this I had
39:52
a huge crash before qualifying qualified
39:54
ninth you know and was like oh well sick
39:57
like I can do good here and then just
39:59
write a little bit safe my run had a
40:01
good one but again it was times are so
40:02
tightening I was one point something off
40:04
the podium and I was gutted that 14th
40:06
for me wasn't worth it I remember saying
40:09
to Emma I was like yeah this this result
40:12
getting 14th here for the sacrifice is
40:15
not worth it like I was so mad at
40:17
getting four feet there I was like for
40:19
all the time you put in the off season
40:20
and things I don't do when I want to go
40:22
have Motocross so I want to go do this
40:23
or I want to go see my friends I
40:25
remember saying I was like this is not
40:28
worth it the 14th so I think that kind
40:30
of helped after that I was like I need
40:32
to do better than this this is [ __ ] I
40:34
was so mad at that 14th which seems like
40:36
a good result I think after I got ninth
40:39
to knowing that run wasn't the best
40:41
yeah so yeah it was a weird one Andorra
40:44
but yeah definitely started to go the
40:45
right way
40:46
yeah
40:47
do you have a favorite type of track
40:49
because we'll get onto Hardline in a bit
40:51
but doing well somewhere at Andorra
40:53
that's completely I always love Andorra
40:56
it was a new weird track like yeah I
40:57
actually didn't really like the top
40:58
section it was super hard to know if you
41:01
were going quick like samrands you know
41:02
you're like I think I hit that quick
41:04
then or I'd look my GoPro and I'd be a
41:06
second quicker through it and it felt
41:07
worse like really hard to judge the top
41:09
section there because it was this big
41:11
sweepy open so after that it was pretty
41:14
cool it was pretty one line and just
41:16
hanging on so it's hard to pull time but
41:18
favorite track normally yeah just the
41:20
harder it is I normally do good so if
41:22
it's more Technical and more it's not
41:24
just one line like Andorra was just
41:25
hanging on and bombing just hang on go
41:28
as fast as you can hope for the best
41:29
Carriage speed
41:30
yeah it was it was kind of like a
41:32
Mindless track
41:33
like there was a bit of techy stuff at
41:35
the bottom that I was good on in quality
41:37
that I was shooting in the race because
41:38
I tried to ride safe a bit which was
41:39
stupid but yeah otherwise yeah that's
41:42
not normally my favorite just hanging on
41:44
like Leo gang is real technical you've
41:46
got to ride smart or have good exit to
41:48
the turns at the top so my favorite
41:50
track to just be like the harder more
41:52
technical ones
41:54
yes snow show is a pretty technical
41:56
track but obviously it's kind of kind of
41:58
flatter so it's a little bit different
42:00
but carry speed is a huge aspect so I
42:03
guess
42:04
um it would have been also one of the
42:06
aspects that suited you this time
42:08
because you could like really see how
42:09
your character speak good stuff
42:10
obviously big mistakes in here
42:12
still in your your room where you got
42:14
second
42:15
but like almost going under the bars
42:17
there you got me screaming in front of
42:19
the screen
42:21
yeah yeah
42:23
but um yeah did you feel like you're
42:25
riding any differently at this point of
42:28
the Season or no it's just this element
42:30
of now never
42:32
no not at all I think like I had to do
42:34
an Evike shoot on the Monday in mosine I
42:36
had to fly out remember that something I
42:38
had to like so that the whole team flew
42:40
out to Snowshoe from Geneva on Sunday
42:43
Saturday or Sunday like I dropped them
42:45
at the airport and they all flew out
42:47
well I had to go up to Morrison for two
42:48
days and do an e-wife shoot so I
42:50
actually was in mooreseen on the Monday
42:52
of the Snowshoe race doing an Evike
42:54
shoot flew home I think Monday night and
42:57
then flew out Tuesday maybe
42:59
but Wednesday Tuesday I flew out to
43:01
Snowshoe so I kind of had this [ __ ]
43:03
definitely not the best situation we've
43:05
got to make the best of it make it
43:07
happen and yeah it was not ideal but
43:09
like pivot needed it down I'd kind of
43:10
like it was a mess up so I had to get
43:12
this Evike photo shoot down
43:14
and um yeah I don't know just with that
43:16
and then the rain like I've never been a
43:18
fan of Snowshoe from the first time we
43:19
went but I was like right you've got to
43:21
turn this around if it's wet it's gonna
43:22
be super hard let's go like I'll I'll go
43:25
hard the weather is it's gonna suck
43:27
everyone's gonna hate it I don't know
43:28
why that week I just had this attitude
43:30
that like
43:31
kind of everything's against me if the
43:32
track's harder that's that's not against
43:34
me that's me I'll be good so I think
43:36
going in knowing what's gonna be where I
43:38
like flew there with a good attitude
43:40
okay
43:42
yeah that's cool I mean from from we
43:44
could see on the screen you had one big
43:47
moment but like I guess like you knew
43:51
that
43:52
we could see in the Finish when we
43:54
reaction when Emery like won 4.4 like
43:57
you could see that your run wasn't
43:58
perfect though so do you have a lot of
44:00
other moments for you the mistakes or it
44:03
was just that one just uh just above
44:06
that I like stalled out probably lost
44:07
like half second a second on one bit
44:10
pretty good like I was a bit so at the
44:12
top first practice run of the day I
44:14
crashed into a tree it was my only
44:15
crashing Snowshoe well I kind of went
44:18
off track one other time in that yes
44:20
they're my only two times were a crash
44:21
or off track with that morning so like
44:23
the fourth turn in the morning I crashed
44:25
into a tree snapped a lever like 15
44:28
seconds in so I did one practice right
44:29
on the race day so I did one run I blew
44:32
off the track where I got sketchy in my
44:34
run that you all saw pushed back up
44:36
wrote it got through it kind of fine BR
44:38
needed one practice run on the race
44:40
today
44:41
and then the realm was pretty dialed
44:43
like that bit was a bit slow I lost some
44:46
speed but then I YOLO through the next
44:47
bit so I hit that really good and then I
44:50
was slow on like just before the exit of
44:53
the woods I drifted a bit low just
44:55
before you come onto that straight like
44:56
flat Sprint I think even just without
44:58
that one tiny mistake I'd have the point
45:00
for like you can't even see it like
45:02
Elliot saw it on the camera and like
45:03
people that know C I slow down a bit and
45:05
I drift I get like a little bit stood up
45:07
on the like kind of right Rocky
45:09
right-hander it still looked good but
45:11
before you drop into the left and the
45:13
flat Sprint I lost a bit there but
45:16
yeah I don't know overall it was
45:18
obviously a really a solid round in the
45:20
conditions but
45:21
yeah I lost 0.4 too much
45:25
so tell us a little bit about the Dream
45:28
Crusher what's it like sitting in the
45:30
hot seat and there's one Rider between
45:33
you and your first World Cup win and you
45:35
know it's omery
45:40
at the top I wasn't even that nervous I
45:42
thought he was going to get it 100
45:45
so I definitely thought he was going to
45:46
get it like I said I win for sure so
45:49
whatever like it's pretty cool and then
45:51
he was at 1.8 back so I was like well
45:53
i've smoked in there and then it turns
45:54
out he smoked me somewhere else but and
45:56
then Andy Kobe's like you've got it
45:58
you've got it and I was like honestly I
45:59
don't think I do because you're saying
46:00
it like I really even like reverse
46:02
psychology and like weird [ __ ] you're
46:04
saying I've got it too much it isn't
46:05
gonna [ __ ] happen now
46:11
I tell you it's not gonna happen and I
46:14
was like [ __ ] it might no it won't and
46:15
you just like
46:17
to know it was like a drink but it
46:19
wasn't I was like didn't really ever
46:20
think I was gonna get it
46:22
like well I don't know it just kind of
46:24
was all a blur at the end because I was
46:26
like it's hard to explain I was so so
46:28
I've only come across into the hot seat
46:30
in my life a few times at three or four
46:31
times maybe ever yeah very rarely I'll
46:34
come across another hot seat ever
46:36
even when I've Podium they haven't you
46:38
know before yeah so I think that was so
46:41
big for me that I knew I'd got the top
46:42
three then it was like yeah yeah it was
46:44
afterwards I think it got a bit annoying
46:46
because I was like geez I've had such a
46:48
good day but it was almost like the best
46:51
day yeah okay that was more than
46:52
everyone's like oh well done mate it was
46:54
it was fit you'd had people telling me
46:56
well done or oh mate almost even for me
47:00
that's how I felt and like everyone that
47:02
came to me to congratulate me or
47:03
whatever they were either like dude so
47:05
close or well done it was such a split
47:08
like decision of what people would say
47:09
to me yeah so yeah it was a weird one in
47:12
this the hot seat and everything I guess
47:14
it was a weird even now looking back
47:15
it's a weird date you almost want to be
47:17
like so stoked but
47:19
it's like oh [ __ ] almost
47:21
yeah okay so to run through it and then
47:25
I'm going to change the question
47:26
afterwards because you've just answered
47:27
whether you were ecstatic or whether you
47:29
were pissed or not at the time
47:31
um
47:32
he lost 2.4 seconds to you in sector two
47:35
so you were up at the end of sector
47:37
three and then sector four he did what
47:40
he did and it sounds like you also made
47:42
that mistake
47:43
um I think that was on that tight right
47:45
hand though won't it yeah exactly yeah
47:47
it rocks yeah so 0.7
47:50
um and then in the last sector as you
47:52
just said 0.4 so I'll I'll turn the
47:54
question now into how do you feel about
47:56
it now looking back on the weekend the
47:58
are you related that you got a second
48:00
place or are you are you sat there
48:02
not you can't do anything I'm trying to
48:04
learn to live like you can't be mad at
48:05
mistakes like whatever they happen so
48:07
yeah I'm stoked it like happened to have
48:09
the season helped me do the season I did
48:11
so yeah I'm stoked I guess it's still
48:14
like yeah frustrating when I think about
48:15
it but yeah now it's sick it was cool
48:17
like everyone was staying my brother was
48:18
there Emily like team trainer like a lot
48:21
of people there at least this girl like
48:23
lady from here that's been with them for
48:24
so long and I've known so there was a
48:26
lot of cool people there that have like
48:27
been for a lot of the journey so it was
48:30
sick to like seeing I was like you don't
48:32
do it for you there's a huge team behind
48:33
like everything you do as a rider and
48:36
it's crazy how many people help you get
48:39
that result and so many people were
48:41
there so you're like it's cool feeling
48:42
like to almost have done it for them as
48:44
well you're like [ __ ] yeah we've
48:45
achieved this it really is we like not
48:47
even trying to be nice it's such a sick
48:49
feeling you're like yo look how many
48:50
people you can make Stoke by riding a
48:52
bike down a hill fast so that was pretty
48:55
cool actually so yeah no still pretty
48:56
happy about it awesome did you guys have
48:59
a good party that evening or was it yeah
49:01
we all like went back the house jumping
49:02
hot turbo still like all my kit and
49:04
everything which is pretty simple you
49:06
kind of hung out the Conti like Conti
49:07
tires had like a pizza by they ordered a
49:09
load of Pizza in just everyone's had
49:11
beers and hung out there so it was
49:12
pretty chill but pretty sick actually it
49:13
was cool nice so then obviously we moved
49:16
the party back into Canada for months
49:18
and um seeded Fifth and finished fifth
49:20
after Snowshoe was that some was that a
49:22
result you were happy with yeah I wanted
49:23
to stay wet I knew the rough room
49:25
quicker it got I would find a bit hard
49:27
when it's Technical and hard when it's
49:28
wet like day one time practice I think I
49:30
won by like three seconds of course and
49:33
I didn't even have a good run man I'd
49:34
had like a tough day I'd like got a flat
49:37
I think I sliced a tire in a rock and
49:38
then I was like I'll just put a good
49:39
time in it wasn't honestly even that
49:41
good and it was three seconds up when
49:43
everyone was like we were on I was like
49:45
if you need to stay wet if it can stay
49:46
wet I might do this and all week because
49:48
like the only people I'm worried about
49:49
was Ann Marie and Finn okay it looks
49:52
good but if it stays wet you know I
49:53
think I can get him if it stays wet and
49:55
it started drying and drying and drying
49:57
so I was like [ __ ] like it's gonna be
49:58
tough so yeah I was so happy with fit
50:01
like I was good when I came across the
50:02
line in third I was like Jesus Christ
50:03
like I've come across in third and I
50:05
call it Fifth it's just not my day but
50:07
then
50:08
someone Emery crashed and yeah it was
50:13
yeah it was cool so yeah I was stoked to
50:15
get 50. I was super happy with fifth
50:18
there probably almost happier at the
50:19
time of the second on the podium because
50:21
I was like yeah a few weeks in a row it
50:23
was pretty cool and for Finn like I was
50:25
happier for finna myself it was a cool
50:28
day yeah definitely it was really cool
50:30
to see so that left us coming into
50:32
valvosol with you seventh in the overall
50:34
623 points
50:37
um the same as Greg in eighth and then
50:39
there were five of you really fighting
50:41
for fifth Corb Danny Minar and coolange
50:44
how did you approach valdassar
50:47
I've I thought going into it maybe I was
50:49
going to worry about the overall and
50:51
because Red Bull came around and got
50:52
interviews with everyone that could get
50:54
third like if I'd killed it and Loris
50:57
had done bad and others I could have got
50:58
third knee overall that day right okay
51:00
they interviewed everyone I think five
51:02
or six of us that could have got third
51:03
in the overall
51:05
so
51:07
crazy car
51:09
um so yeah it was kind of cool the rebel
51:10
stuff and I like all the added pressure
51:12
and like you know if Red Bull are
51:14
filming you it's for a reason or like if
51:15
they come by or they're filming you warm
51:17
out be like oh I must be looking good on
51:19
track or something so
51:20
don't know I just spent the week like
51:22
I'm gonna do good about the Stars it's
51:24
my last I did [ __ ] World Champs I was
51:27
gutted with that like had two big
51:28
crashes there and I was like right
51:29
Valdosta was the one and I was like I'm
51:31
getting a crystal trophy because I used
51:33
to be like these cool Crystal trophies
51:35
and I fully believed I could I guess I
51:38
was like I'm gonna have to get lucky to
51:40
get top three but fifth I've I've got
51:43
this I've got a beat collage
51:45
and I was like I've got to be Andy but
51:47
he was going too good yeah I think I had
51:50
to be Andy and collage but luckily
51:51
obviously Laurie crashed for me but um
51:54
yeah I don't know I've just went in like
51:56
I was gonna do good at race I knew I was
51:58
feeling strong and I was just gonna go
51:59
hard okay
52:02
so yeah so to follow that up at the
52:04
summary you see the 20th and then fifth
52:06
in the race Lori as you've just said big
52:09
crash dropped him to sixth in the
52:11
overall call about his incredible result
52:13
with his second place pushed him to
52:15
Fourth and you got your fifth in the
52:17
overall so tell us a bit about what that
52:19
means after the the years of graft
52:20
you've put in yeah it was kind of funny
52:22
yeah like if you say I qualified 20s I
52:24
had it over the bars in my run I just
52:25
had a smallest crash like well I just
52:27
want to slide out into a big crash like
52:29
I had to fall over the Hannah whilst got
52:30
back up rolled down the next straight
52:32
straightened my seat then cruise down
52:34
the rest of the track and qualified 20th
52:35
and I was like Jesus like I must be
52:37
going pretty quick so you've got to stay
52:39
on the head space of that and Emily's
52:41
got a real cool video of me just before
52:43
I got my run it's real funny watching it
52:45
back
52:46
because someone else said this to me you
52:48
never know what's going to happen like
52:49
like you're just there in the morning
52:51
and like in the evening like whoa I
52:53
didn't know all this was going to happen
52:54
today and look at that video she's got
52:56
just as I'm peddling out from around
52:57
she's like boy's gonna light it up and I
52:59
really like that video because I'm like
53:00
[ __ ] I didn't know how I was gonna do
53:01
and then you got this run that's in the
53:05
future now in the past it's like sound a
53:07
bit weird saying all this but it's such
53:09
like a cool thing to look back on at
53:11
that video before it I'm like oh I
53:13
didn't know it was going to happen and
53:14
then yeah the overall honestly getting
53:16
fifth in the overall for me was the
53:18
highlight of the it was better than the
53:19
second honestly that in the second place
53:21
getting fit in the overalls like I like
53:24
sometimes think about that now I'm like
53:25
oh the year was good I got fifth in the
53:26
overall well yeah because the second
53:28
place on its own the trophy is just over
53:30
there somewhere just chilling on the
53:31
window silly second place on its own
53:34
wouldn't have wouldn't have stood for
53:35
anything in the overall the fifth and
53:37
the overall proves that you were there
53:38
all season buying the results yeah yeah
53:40
exactly I think so yeah yeah for me the
53:43
fifth was like honestly so so hyped when
53:45
I realized you don't know you're trying
53:47
to do maths in points and then it comes
53:49
up on the screen and yeah the fifth in
53:51
the series is probably the best bit
53:52
which is it does make it worth it
53:54
because I did a lot of training this
53:56
year so and like trusting the new
53:59
sponsors we had like we weren't on Conti
54:00
tires four and a few people were like
54:02
are you sure you want to go there
54:03
because they're old tires three years
54:04
ago weren't what they are now yeah and
54:06
it was like a big trust in them and the
54:08
athertons and all their
54:10
like development they've put into it so
54:12
it was really cool kind of trusting that
54:14
in the process and seeing it all come
54:16
together I think with them and the team
54:17
and everything I think it's really cool
54:20
I'm really glad that you got it because
54:21
when you look at the other Riders you
54:23
were up against like Minar you know he's
54:25
won it Danny's
54:27
been world champion it's not going to be
54:29
down as their defining moment if you
54:31
know what I mean yeah to you it's really
54:33
cool after all those years of racing
54:35
seeing somebody get it I have to ask did
54:38
you negotiate a decent bonus with the
54:41
team manager it's team manager right
54:43
geez not really I tell you what I could
54:46
probably say it's not your mouth I asked
54:48
for before Snowshoe I we're like I'll
54:50
deal with pivot was at the end of the
54:52
year so I actually asked for my um like
54:54
the New Deal before I got second at
54:56
Snowshoe with pivot like the pay rise or
54:58
whatever we're getting and I didn't put
55:00
it up after that but after I got the
55:03
Snowshoe second the owner of pivot put
55:06
my win bonus up I can't remember if it
55:07
was five grand or whatever he said if
55:08
you win I'll give you whatever X more
55:10
didn't have to it wasn't the contract or
55:12
anything but he said if you win a World
55:13
Cup this year he's like no when you win
55:14
or when they win a World Cup this year
55:16
I'm gonna make your bonus bigger and he
55:18
just did that like send me a text and
55:19
they're like send an email and he's like
55:21
your bonus is this much bigger if you
55:22
win one just because he's a cool guy
55:24
he's really cool and just like yes to
55:26
try and maybe fire me up that little bit
55:28
more or whatever but he was hyped
55:30
yeah so the team manager didn't give me
55:32
one but yeah pivot actually offered me a
55:34
bigger bonus if I won after that which
55:36
was pretty cool that's very cool there's
55:38
so much more to chat about we'll have
55:39
more from bernica after these messages
55:41
cool so that's that section done
55:44
anybody need a break or anything
55:48
good
55:50
so
55:54
I think it was either loik or Emery who
55:57
said on the Pod at the start of the
55:58
Season that it's so hard for someone
56:00
like you to compete when you've got the
56:03
Vlog the the team to run and all they've
56:07
got to think about is racing and getting
56:09
ready for racing when you look back now
56:12
is it a distraction do you ever think
56:15
about kind of what you might have
56:16
achieved if you were just racing
56:19
yes and no I could give you a quick
56:21
example when we get into it deeper the
56:23
Vlog thing people talk about that and I
56:26
use it a lot I'll watch it back I never
56:28
would watch GoPro back before never I'd
56:30
never used it I wouldn't watch anything
56:31
back or anything any like POV and before
56:34
Valdosta finals it was like raining real
56:36
heavy at the top when I went up in the
56:37
gondola and the town Laurie crashed on
56:40
I watched back because that got slick in
56:43
the morning
56:44
when it rained was it that the other day
56:46
before that was one of the slick spots
56:47
it was there and a line further up that
56:49
I almost crashed on and so before my run
56:52
when I'm warming up on the bike I
56:53
watched my GoPro twice and I switched
56:56
line so I've written it the day before
56:58
in like quality I'd been going outside
57:01
where Laurie crashed and everyone had
57:03
gone to the inside everyone had done
57:04
this new line and cut inside and was
57:05
going where this Gap was and I decided
57:08
before my race run that I was going to
57:10
go back to the outside and I think
57:11
that's where the Vlogs this year that
57:13
definitely helped me because Laurie got
57:14
a little bit stood up or slipped or
57:17
something had his [ __ ] crash that you
57:18
had so I think for once the Vlogs helped
57:21
me there which is pretty cool but maybe
57:24
otherwise honestly like I think if I do
57:26
a good job 90 of the time organizing
57:29
before the season starts at working now
57:32
I shouldn't have too much more on in the
57:34
season I definitely have more than a
57:35
normal writer I guess but if I do a good
57:37
job from now till March I should be
57:39
pretty chilled coming season hopefully
57:41
it takes a bit of the pressure off
57:44
maybe yeah and I don't know how the
57:46
writers do they must get bored yeah like
57:49
I always think that I honestly don't
57:51
know what they do like I definitely need
57:52
to do less I'm going to try and hire an
57:54
assistant soon because at the minute
57:56
it's a bit ridiculous with like all
57:58
these things we're doing and adding
57:59
another team and Riders and yeah but
58:03
yeah like if I'm so I think in our team
58:06
we all really care about each other's
58:08
results or I hope we do but I get so
58:10
nervous for their race runs and I think
58:12
so stoked like I did [ __ ] at legere but
58:16
Jenna won so it was like the sickest Day
58:17
Ever yeah whereas I think yeah if I
58:20
didn't have the team I'd be like I've
58:21
just done [ __ ] as myself today but
58:23
you're like oh today's still great
58:25
because one of our writers Jenna's
58:26
become world champion so yeah maybe
58:29
you're like
58:30
you've got a fullback on the other
58:31
Riders yeah come on guys
58:33
today I've done a [ __ ] job so you can do
58:35
a good one for me
58:37
if someone asks you what you do for a
58:39
job what what do you tell them
58:42
uh what would I tell them I do for a job
58:44
I guess I like
58:46
run a team in a professional so I'd say
58:48
professional cyclists I would say it
58:49
sounds cooler than like mountain bikers
58:50
oh it sounds more professional
58:52
um professional cyclist and a team
58:54
manager I guess
58:55
team owner yeah right now I've got my
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laptop
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for two secs
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sorry guys just interrupt yeah
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we're on but um
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yeah I guess yeah I'd say writer team
59:12
manager yeah I wouldn't say I'm a
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YouTuber I guess I am now as well
59:16
vlogger yeah vlogger extraordinaire
59:18
you're known for being one of the most
59:21
stylish Riders does that come naturally
59:23
or do you have to work at it the stop is
59:27
and all those kind of things I worked at
59:29
it for a while like I remember thinking
59:31
Stevie Smith I saw him at Fort William
59:33
one year one of my first years racing
59:36
World Cups he looked so sick and Brendan
59:38
I hate to say it now because I'm friends
59:39
with him I'm trying to beat him but I
59:41
always thought his style was sick
59:42
whether he was like Landing front wheel
59:44
up and stuff like Sam Hill as well or
59:46
like scrubbing off and Landing nose I
59:48
always either want to land real nose
59:50
heavy or real rear heavy because I think
59:52
it looks sick and it feels good and I
59:54
always believe like if you feel like you
59:56
look sick you normally write good and
59:58
then it like all works so I don't know
1:00:00
no like I think I did work in it yeah I
1:00:02
didn't just have style I don't think I'm
1:00:04
not saying I do now but
1:00:06
yeah I didn't just go on a bike I was
1:00:08
like right I want to look good at this
1:00:09
jumper I want to look good doing this
1:00:10
thing I think sometimes it's hurt my
1:00:12
race results
1:00:15
down the track what can you do
1:00:20
okay so moving conversation towards uh
1:00:23
Red Bull hard line three-time winner
1:00:25
2016 2019 and 2021 is it your favorite
1:00:28
event
1:00:29
yeah I love it it's just a sick Vibe
1:00:31
with everyone I like I love riding bikes
1:00:33
I love hitting jumps I love running
1:00:34
bikes like that was all I did before was
1:00:37
hit jumps and then I had to race to like
1:00:39
I don't know just hit more jumps or
1:00:41
something so I don't know yeah I always
1:00:43
really like John C I love that event
1:00:45
like the vibe with everyone there is
1:00:46
sick everyone hangs out
1:00:48
ride cool jumps and it's just a good
1:00:51
vibe really yeah I'd say probably one of
1:00:52
my favorites yeah normally
1:00:55
do you think World Cup racing should be
1:00:58
on tracks that have features like the
1:01:01
ones at Hardline that that scare the
1:01:03
hell out of the best riders in the world
1:01:05
or or do you just think after three
1:01:07
rounds with a series like that we'd be
1:01:08
down to 50 of the Riders and it'd be
1:01:11
just Total Carnage no I think we could
1:01:13
definitely go more that way like
1:01:15
obviously some of it couldn't be that
1:01:16
big it would take too long to get
1:01:17
practice done but we do need better job
1:01:20
the World Cup champs 98 of the time suck
1:01:22
they're either built terribly they're
1:01:23
way too small they don't work like they
1:01:26
suck like considering we're the best
1:01:28
riders in the world or whatever you want
1:01:29
to say or supposed to be at least the
1:01:32
tracks and some of the jumps we get
1:01:33
dealt with it's embarrassing I don't
1:01:35
know how we don't have a standard threat
1:01:37
like Supercross a triple is this big
1:01:39
that's how big a triple is it's 65 to 75
1:01:42
foot it's a standard you have a roller
1:01:44
it's a three or a five it's either three
1:01:45
foot high or five foot high and you have
1:01:48
the same guys or amazing Crews coming to
1:01:50
build it not just someone from some
1:01:52
random bike park not trying to make fun
1:01:54
of them but a lot of the jumps are
1:01:55
terrible and we shouldn't be racing them
1:01:57
and you see over the years a lot of big
1:01:59
crashes on them from the best riders in
1:02:00
the world because they're just dangerous
1:02:02
yeah so not that we need to go to
1:02:04
Hardline size but we should have bigger
1:02:06
thicker jumps I think for sure I think
1:02:08
that would be really good for the sport
1:02:10
and personally for my fun level
1:02:13
yes it's interesting to to hear your
1:02:16
site not your side your your kind of
1:02:18
opinion there because we've been talking
1:02:20
quite a bit on the podcast about this
1:02:21
Riders Union and Riders being conscious
1:02:24
of safety and
1:02:26
nobody's actually mentioned
1:02:29
that take of having a standardization
1:02:31
for certain things and it would
1:02:34
certainly solve a lot of problems if if
1:02:36
it was like what you've just said about
1:02:37
Supercross where if they were building a
1:02:39
triple it was this big if you had a
1:02:41
double it was yeah a Finish Line jumper
1:02:43
a Supercross track is a set size
1:02:46
normally within like five they just that
1:02:48
is a Finish Line jump is the same size
1:02:49
but a lot of people don't know that you
1:02:51
know yeah but it would be harder for
1:02:53
them to do because we haven't got a
1:02:55
throttle so depend on approach to
1:02:57
whatever feature they were building but
1:02:58
you're right it'd certainly be it'd make
1:03:01
more sense if there was some kind of
1:03:03
thought gone into it rather than that's
1:03:04
just a better guys building yeah
1:03:06
something because yeah I think we have
1:03:08
more injuries a lot at World Cups and
1:03:10
jumps and we do it Hardline and Hardline
1:03:11
jumps are massive yeah yeah so
1:03:15
so back back to the Hardline jumps um it
1:03:18
sounds like this year you were kind of
1:03:19
showing people around
1:03:21
um you guinea pig the big jumps I mean
1:03:23
talk us through that feeling when you're
1:03:25
the one going out to hit that 90 footer
1:03:27
and you end up going 96.
1:03:29
I didn't hindsight yeah I don't know I
1:03:32
went up to look at it we had much
1:03:33
weather this day and they were debating
1:03:34
building a line around it and I was so
1:03:37
against that I rolled up my like
1:03:39
a little pit bike motorbike and uh
1:03:42
rolled into it four times the engine off
1:03:43
and was like I think I got these I'm
1:03:45
just in my head I was like I'm on called
1:03:47
GF and the boys at the bottom they're
1:03:48
having a paintballing thing I was like
1:03:51
do you mind if I hit these like I don't
1:03:53
want to be like because everyone was
1:03:54
like should we ride should we not ride
1:03:55
and I was like it's kind of where it's
1:03:56
kind of all right and we've no longer
1:03:58
decide which way to go one way or the
1:03:59
other and I was like guys I can't decide
1:04:01
then half an hour later I was like guys
1:04:02
I'm on but I'm not gonna ride unless
1:04:05
everyone's happy with me I don't want to
1:04:06
go get extra practicing or feel like
1:04:08
I've snaked you guys and everyone's like
1:04:10
no man if you want to go hit them hit
1:04:11
them and then G was like I'm in and then
1:04:13
Sam Gail was in and George and I was
1:04:17
like just in my head I'd already I was
1:04:18
like I'm rolling into these so I like
1:04:20
bombed down the road on the motorway got
1:04:21
changed I was like all right who's
1:04:23
coming I'm going now
1:04:25
and um yeah I don't know it was sick I
1:04:27
just felt like I could do it the first
1:04:29
one hit it pretty perfect it was dialed
1:04:31
second was so hard to judge so hard to
1:04:34
judge and then they were like oh the
1:04:35
Queen's just died I'm literally clipping
1:04:37
in and the Marshall tells me
1:04:39
and he's like oh wait the queen I was
1:04:41
like what and then I waited like 15
1:04:43
seconds I was like right I'm gonna go
1:04:44
now so it was kind of like you did put
1:04:46
you in a weird spot yeah and then hit it
1:04:49
went a bit far I must have like we were
1:04:51
running like prototype wheels so like
1:04:53
once we're testing or like new different
1:04:55
like suppleness airs and layups and this
1:04:58
and that and I must have cracked it or
1:04:59
something because
1:05:01
the Reynolds wheels are amazing that
1:05:02
shouldn't have blown up and oh yeah
1:05:04
they've been amazing and haven't so yeah
1:05:07
a new prototype wheel just went a bit
1:05:08
too far and yeah had a huge crash that
1:05:11
unfortunately broke my finger and put a
1:05:13
crack in my wrist yeah
1:05:16
it's an ideal well just a broken finger
1:05:19
is not yeah for how big the crash was I
1:05:22
got away like you're pretty lucky on
1:05:25
that one yeah really lucky
1:05:29
so yeah we all know what happened like
1:05:30
you crashed in a race and then you
1:05:32
really really regret it I know you I
1:05:34
know how much this even meant to you and
1:05:35
I knew that yeah and like I guess I felt
1:05:38
like I missed all of Friday practice so
1:05:40
I didn't ride the next day after my
1:05:42
crash I had one practice run on Saturday
1:05:44
and a qualifying run practice run Sunday
1:05:48
and then yeah crashed in the race if I
1:05:50
haven't even watched the race back still
1:05:51
I can't watch it yet I watch it at some
1:05:53
point but yeah I haven't even watched
1:05:55
any of it back or seen it yet so too
1:05:57
good too sad about it because if Jackson
1:06:00
had done I'm gonna quit if he'd done
1:06:01
like a 16 or 216 I'd like you know what
1:06:04
he'd definitely beat me but I think he
1:06:06
beat my quality time at one and a half
1:06:07
two seconds and I was like I wanted to
1:06:09
do a 16 on race day it was my goal and
1:06:13
he did yeah 220 or 221 I did a 222 the
1:06:15
day before like
1:06:17
kind of chilling so I was like oh I can
1:06:19
yeah I was pretty gutted the top three
1:06:22
of us or yeah top three of us crashed
1:06:24
which was kind of annoying because
1:06:27
yeah he won fair and square we all
1:06:29
crafted we weren't good enough to stay
1:06:30
on our bikes but I think the time would
1:06:32
have got quite quick so that was pretty
1:06:35
annoying for sure I'm gonna have to edit
1:06:37
this out of the Pod when I do it but um
1:06:40
I thought that that was your weekend
1:06:42
over I haven't watched Hardline well
1:06:44
when you've done your finger that that
1:06:45
was it in your wrist I didn't realize
1:06:48
you'd gone back up and done a seeding
1:06:49
run and done a race yes I went up yeah
1:06:51
one qualifying like I did one from
1:06:54
Thursday I did one run from yeah
1:06:57
yeah one seating by like two or three
1:06:59
seconds and then yeah it was like
1:07:02
honestly I went through the run so much
1:07:03
in my head for the race I just didn't go
1:07:06
through the first rock bit I just I over
1:07:07
thought like I overlooked it
1:07:10
and uh yeah I just want to tiny bit too
1:07:12
hot my chainring hit the floor and
1:07:13
that's what threw me over there was it
1:07:14
hit the floor snapped the chainring just
1:07:16
threw me over I slid and was like oh
1:07:17
I've got this it hit like a rock on the
1:07:19
floor and just threw me over the bars a
1:07:21
bit unlucky but my fault
1:07:23
it's going too quick but yeah kind of
1:07:25
that was the worst worst day of the year
1:07:27
for sure I'm honest yeah yeah let's talk
1:07:31
about an
1:07:32
weekend I didn't
1:07:35
or worlds World Champs
1:07:37
um
1:07:39
I mean you sit at seven
1:07:41
um you love this track I think the Jay
1:07:43
is probably one of the fun most fun
1:07:45
tracks everyone would agree about that
1:07:48
um you ended up 13th and you just seated
1:07:50
um in front of like so I guess
1:07:53
the
1:07:54
this weekend is not going to get ready
1:07:56
for to get yeah there I felt good a week
1:08:00
and I was trying to slowly build speed I
1:08:01
wasn't going to go too quick too early
1:08:03
because I've done that too many times so
1:08:04
I was trying to build speed felt great
1:08:06
and then raced Edge had two huge crashes
1:08:09
crashed first run halfway down where my
1:08:11
favorite section the track and then
1:08:12
second run whichever way around was
1:08:15
crashed near the top so
1:08:17
yeah I just got unlucky still had two
1:08:19
big crashes on race day and then
1:08:21
I just had I made one mistake in my run
1:08:23
honestly only one mistake that probably
1:08:25
cost me a second and the rest I just
1:08:27
didn't push hard enough because of where
1:08:28
I'd crashed so I think I was 2.2 off the
1:08:31
podium off third place it was so tight
1:08:34
but yeah I was gutted yeah that sucked
1:08:37
like again getting 13th there was not
1:08:39
worth worth my day I only kept me happy
1:08:42
by Jenna winning that day I was so
1:08:43
guarded with 13 and like I mean everyone
1:08:46
would have been the times was so tight
1:08:49
so so tight like two I wish I was hoping
1:08:51
for rain there again I was like if it
1:08:53
rains today I'm on like last year when
1:08:56
it rained I got 16th in the rain when a
1:08:59
lot of people had dried or whatever and
1:09:00
ahead of me had a dry race so yeah yeah
1:09:02
I was hoping for rain didn't happen two
1:09:06
big crashes and then just rode too safe
1:09:09
from around just a little bit just real
1:09:11
dialed I had one mistake but other than
1:09:12
that the rum was super dialed just not
1:09:14
quick enough
1:09:15
I was like this sucks so yeah Wells
1:09:18
definitely didn't go my way that was
1:09:19
like the second worst race of the year
1:09:21
but Heartland was a lot worse
1:09:23
yeah I guess um like you said you
1:09:25
mentioned uh Jenna Hastings got War
1:09:28
Champion there
1:09:30
um
1:09:31
I was at the top with her so I wasn't
1:09:33
there when she actually got the title
1:09:36
but you were so how much how much did he
1:09:38
did that mean like that moment it was
1:09:41
pretty cool it sucks they raced so early
1:09:43
I think hopefully in future we're gonna
1:09:44
change their race day but it was so cool
1:09:47
and like to see her and her mum and
1:09:49
dinner's quite tough cookie she doesn't
1:09:50
cry a lot and see how cry was pretty
1:09:52
cool and like everyone's got tears their
1:09:53
eyes and it was so sick it was a shame I
1:09:56
missed the podium because I had to go
1:09:57
for practice as well which sucks that I
1:09:59
didn't get to go to the podium but it
1:10:02
was Unreal it's like I don't know I just
1:10:03
knew she could do I thought I could do
1:10:05
it that day as well if I'm honest before
1:10:06
I crashed I woke up thinking we might
1:10:09
both do this today genuinely and I knew
1:10:12
she could for sure if she had a good day
1:10:14
and I knew I was feeling it so to see
1:10:17
her actually put it off was
1:10:19
so rad and so like I don't know I wasn't
1:10:22
even that surprised I was just stoked I
1:10:24
genuinely believe she could with like
1:10:26
you up there I was like right then he
1:10:27
gets her in a good place there and they
1:10:28
go up together and they get this I I
1:10:30
genuinely thought it was it was chances
1:10:32
were high I think it's different when
1:10:35
you know that someone can do it but it
1:10:36
actually pulling it off like a first
1:10:38
chance it's pretty
1:10:40
it's a it's a pretty yeah I know I could
1:10:42
have done a lot of things but in the end
1:10:44
I just didn't manage yeah for a first
1:10:46
ever one to do it at her first yeah her
1:10:48
fifth like world race or whatever it was
1:10:50
like it's pretty ridiculous so yeah yeah
1:10:53
it was such a cool day and then we had
1:10:55
this burnout bike in the pits and to see
1:10:57
her on that like inner element being a
1:10:59
little kiwi girl she is it was yeah it
1:11:01
was really cool to see it all go down
1:11:02
and a proud moment for me
1:11:05
can I just jump in there you need to
1:11:07
tell us a bit about the work that Emmy's
1:11:09
done with Jenna this season
1:11:11
a lot so much I was talking to
1:11:14
who was this earlier today about this
1:11:16
someone earlier today
1:11:17
apparently it was Ollie Wilkins actually
1:11:19
I think at the gym just before just
1:11:21
before this about like how for sure
1:11:23
Jenna might have won this year but like
1:11:25
without the team and without Emily
1:11:27
because if she wasn't on a team she
1:11:28
wouldn't have had Emily and I think it's
1:11:30
taken me 15 years to do good really and
1:11:33
Jenna's come out in year one
1:11:36
from the first race gonna work out how
1:11:38
it works and like even work out how
1:11:40
Emily's gonna like talk to her and
1:11:41
Emily's worked out right this isn't
1:11:43
going to work for Jenny you know like
1:11:45
like everyone works differently and like
1:11:47
right okay if we help her with this and
1:11:48
we do it this way or and then Jenna
1:11:50
might be like
1:11:51
instead of being a rebellious young girl
1:11:53
she's like okay maybe I should actually
1:11:54
listen to Emily she's quite good at this
1:11:56
yeah it's been unbelievable seeing it
1:11:58
and like now like we've got more support
1:12:00
from the sponsors for next year and like
1:12:02
pay Emily more and like help out more
1:12:03
because I think they've seen the value
1:12:05
having someone and Emily around like her
1:12:08
experience even for me someday she'd be
1:12:10
like I don't know if you should do this
1:12:12
maybe try that or having someone that's
1:12:14
been there done it had the bad days had
1:12:16
the good days and sees What It Takes and
1:12:19
sees when they either step in or step
1:12:21
out the way you know like takes a lot to
1:12:23
see
1:12:24
both sides like oh they need me right
1:12:26
now or they need me to [ __ ] off right
1:12:27
now you know so it's been unbelievable
1:12:29
and it's been so good
1:12:33
that our sponsors I guess have seen that
1:12:34
and I've been able to show them and
1:12:36
demonstrate with General results and in
1:12:38
the videos and everything like how I
1:12:40
think important it's been to everyone's
1:12:42
season for myself I've had to do less
1:12:45
because Emily's been there helping you
1:12:47
know so I think it's taken maybe way off
1:12:49
me which maybe is what I've done good as
1:12:51
well this year so it's like helped me
1:12:54
silently but you know what I mean like
1:12:56
it's silent you should realize that
1:12:58
Emily's helped me by
1:13:00
helping Jenna but that's taken like a
1:13:02
little piece out of my way yeah then I'm
1:13:04
concentrating more on this and then
1:13:05
Jenna's doing more of this and then her
1:13:07
day's veteran and it was I know the
1:13:10
result didn't go your way at Worlds but
1:13:12
it must put you in a good place when
1:13:13
you're going up for practice and your
1:13:14
Riders just won yeah I crashed they went
1:13:17
out swinging
1:13:19
I honestly was raced out as I might I
1:13:22
genuinely believe I could do it
1:13:24
genuinely like not a doubt in my mind
1:13:26
but if I had a good day I could do it I
1:13:28
was like it rains I am I've got this I
1:13:32
could I'm not trying to be cocky I
1:13:34
genuinely believe they did if it rained
1:13:36
I was like I can't wait for rain today
1:13:37
and then it didn't come but I was still
1:13:39
like yeah I'm gonna gonna go yeah I went
1:13:41
too hard in practice probably the fans
1:13:43
are amazing and like since doing the
1:13:45
YouTube like the fan love is it's been
1:13:47
insane I don't I didn't tell anyone at
1:13:49
the time but I saw in the pink bike um
1:13:51
the pink bike Poll for like who was
1:13:53
gonna win Worlds was Anne-Marie and then
1:13:56
me
1:13:57
like the pink bike so I've got a
1:14:00
screenshot of it I was like I was like
1:14:01
[ __ ] people believe in me right now
1:14:03
yeah yeah yeah I was the second most
1:14:05
voted writer to win World Champs and
1:14:07
then I think Finn was in third and then
1:14:09
maybe lurk and I was like geez people
1:14:11
really think I'm gonna do this and it
1:14:13
gave me confidence I saw it like two
1:14:16
days before and I checked it at night
1:14:17
and I was like yeah people think I got
1:14:18
this i got this so and then Jenna won
1:14:20
and I was like yep we're gonna do this
1:14:23
you know when you went to look at it did
1:14:26
you like kind of like peer behind like
1:14:28
you know like because if it hadn't been
1:14:30
you if you'd have been way back would it
1:14:32
have been to you yeah because I'm always
1:14:33
back so and I like being the underdog
1:14:36
I've always been the underdog like the
1:14:37
guy that runs the team people I'm like
1:14:40
love hate I think a lot of people don't
1:14:41
like me some people do like I'm
1:14:43
definitely yeah not everyone's person so
1:14:46
now I don't think I had a lot of hate
1:14:48
Through The Years so I've definitely got
1:14:49
over that with a supercrust thing I did
1:14:51
I got so much hate there I really
1:14:52
learned to not care in a cool way so I
1:14:55
was surprised but I was like yeah that's
1:14:57
right like finally I'm one of the guys
1:14:59
that people are like what if I quit so I
1:15:02
was yeah even now when I look back see
1:15:04
if there's a smile on my face like well
1:15:05
people put me second behind Andre to win
1:15:07
World Champs
1:15:09
which is kind of crazy sorry guys no
1:15:12
problem
1:15:13
um so obviously
1:15:16
um with me and the team you always have
1:15:18
females on the team since the beginning
1:15:20
I remember the first few movie had was
1:15:21
Michael ghetto and then item 10 and uh
1:15:25
we talked about Jenna but also Morgan on
1:15:28
Endura side
1:15:30
um women's racing over here yeah like I
1:15:33
guess it was also like it was a mix
1:15:35
between you want to have a kind of have
1:15:38
a balance in the team but also pivot
1:15:39
wanted to have a female yeah right I
1:15:44
think it's awesome I think the more
1:15:46
women that are riding the more men
1:15:47
they're right the more men are right I
1:15:48
think it's it's just healthy for our
1:15:50
sport it's a great thing it's cool
1:15:51
having you guys around you level us out
1:15:53
you tell me sometimes to shut up from
1:15:54
like your point of view and continue
1:15:56
living around it it levels
1:15:59
is an awesome company they're over 50 of
1:16:03
their employees are female and not
1:16:04
because they're trying to fill a quota
1:16:05
or anything just because that's who's
1:16:07
best for the jobs or who they want or
1:16:09
who they need so it's just how it is you
1:16:12
know it's not like they've got some well
1:16:15
it's not sustainability form they need
1:16:17
to meet
1:16:19
yeah no they've really urged A rad
1:16:21
company and they really believe in like
1:16:24
I guess getting more females into the
1:16:25
sport and
1:16:27
I don't know it's just yeah they just
1:16:29
get the people that are right for the
1:16:31
job and I think it's been always I don't
1:16:33
know why we've always had it's just
1:16:34
nothing that just happened it's just
1:16:35
been cool to have one like
1:16:38
yeah it's cool and I guess also from a
1:16:41
marketing standpoint your team is going
1:16:42
to be better if you've got to go on
1:16:43
girls you guys are good at racing and
1:16:46
forever we've been able to buy
1:16:48
like will pay women less like to buy top
1:16:51
five women is cheaper than to buy a top
1:16:52
five guy you know and if you want
1:16:54
podiums
1:16:56
no I'm just saying it's just me but
1:17:00
it's been how it is so if we want
1:17:02
podiums it was cheaper to get a girl to
1:17:05
get podiums and a guy you know and from
1:17:07
a marketing standpoint of me trying to
1:17:09
grow the team and have
1:17:11
a great team it's been a smart way to go
1:17:13
I guess a Smart Way a fun way with Emily
1:17:16
a cool way and I think in turn we are
1:17:19
helping between our team and other teams
1:17:21
wages of women's are going up like
1:17:23
Morgan's got such a good deal for next
1:17:25
year like pivot before her deal was even
1:17:28
up decided they were going to make her
1:17:29
wage this much bigger no matter how she
1:17:32
did this year just to try and make it
1:17:34
fairer and meet up with the guys wages
1:17:36
which is awesome that they've wanted to
1:17:38
do that and uh I think we're really
1:17:40
helping go forward because girls are all
1:17:42
talking to each other now about their
1:17:44
wages and this and that which I think is
1:17:46
good I think people should talk and I
1:17:47
think the guys should more to get the
1:17:49
sport to go forward and get everyone
1:17:50
paid fairer I think it's a good thing
1:17:53
and yeah I think in our team we're
1:17:55
really trying to push that and help yeah
1:17:58
women's racing get somewhere
1:18:01
yeah so like you mentioned pivot gives
1:18:03
you almost complete autonomy in the team
1:18:06
like who you sign and what about so how
1:18:09
what do you look for
1:18:11
in in a writer when you try to sign it
1:18:13
it's hard working people you've got to
1:18:16
work hard I think
1:18:18
you've got to be fun obviously you've
1:18:21
got to fit our team like you'll realize
1:18:23
like we don't do stuff like other teams
1:18:24
yeah you've got to work hard and if you
1:18:27
have good work ethic you're going to
1:18:29
train hard but you're also going to have
1:18:30
fun and if someone's just winning I mean
1:18:33
if you win every race fair enough but if
1:18:35
someone's doing well
1:18:37
and doing no social media I no interest
1:18:39
like that's you're doing half the job in
1:18:42
my mind if you're just in social media
1:18:44
and doing terrible you're doing half the
1:18:45
job
1:18:47
so someone that's well-rounded and
1:18:49
yeah one select represent their sponsors
1:18:52
and themselves to the best of their
1:18:53
ability because
1:18:55
yeah you can't do a social media post
1:18:56
every day maybe like if you're not
1:18:58
getting paid full time but otherwise
1:19:00
it's pretty easy I think way too many
1:19:03
riders get either too comfy or too lazy
1:19:06
and don't represent their sponsors well
1:19:07
enough so yeah I look for someone that's
1:19:10
hard working and is willing to put the
1:19:12
work in on social media because I think
1:19:14
that's very important for the brands
1:19:16
that pay us all this money and put all
1:19:18
this time and effort into getting us
1:19:19
product so I think we should do a good
1:19:21
job promoting them and showcasing them
1:19:24
so yeah someone that works hard good on
1:19:27
social media and also tries to get good
1:19:28
results
1:19:29
you haven't mentioned results there at
1:19:32
all Bernard uh do you do an XXL I'm
1:19:35
available for next season
1:19:39
you do social media George
1:19:41
a little
1:19:43
[Laughter]
1:19:48
um so something we didn't talk about and
1:19:51
I'm looking forward to your answer here
1:19:55
um on the vital part
1:19:57
George mentioned on the top of the show
1:20:00
that Jody said
1:20:02
um that you are one of the least fussy
1:20:04
riders with your bike setup and fox yeah
1:20:08
yeah technography on bike setup yeah
1:20:11
there's a vital a vital podcast came out
1:20:14
a couple of weeks ago with Jordy and he
1:20:16
said you guys are the least fussy look
1:20:18
at that you're the easiest to set up
1:20:21
too easy maybe that's a bad thing I
1:20:23
don't know that's what I mean
1:20:25
I just like running bikes just want to
1:20:27
get on right I don't want to worry
1:20:33
find a Baseline and then you just go
1:20:37
with it yeah just don't know set up
1:20:38
feels good we're on maybe make a couple
1:20:40
of eggs
1:20:42
maybe I can feel it maybe not I don't
1:20:45
know I just I know that for a fact
1:20:47
because I've seen it the whole year yeah
1:20:49
I changed it
1:20:52
I went down two PSI at Snowshoe
1:20:55
and do we put two clicks on a two off I
1:20:59
think I can't remember which way it was
1:21:01
too off probably I'd say yeah yeah
1:21:05
maybe we did a click in the shock and
1:21:07
that was no that was about yes we did
1:21:09
that at Snowshoe that's all I've done
1:21:10
all year today so first change of
1:21:12
Snowshoe I'm pretty sure
1:21:14
and then I ran that for the rest of the
1:21:16
year and we changed my shop
1:21:18
uh
1:21:21
without a soul did I change the fork of
1:21:23
that maybe I put uh new new bike maybe
1:21:26
on no without a soul I put
1:21:28
uh spacer in the fork because the track
1:21:31
was ruined it was such big holes so we
1:21:33
put a spacer in the fork I think I could
1:21:36
come up went harder in the shotgun maybe
1:21:38
don't remember that's all I did oh yes I
1:21:40
did like four changes oh yeah
1:21:42
a two races that was it yeah so super
1:21:45
easy I don't know bike feels good feel
1:21:46
confident let's go like
1:21:49
I probably should do more but I like not
1:21:51
worrying because then you're just
1:21:51
concentrating at the task at hand yeah
1:21:54
but the question off the back of that
1:21:56
because I'm I'm very similar to yourself
1:21:58
like if it feels good I'll just get on
1:22:00
and ride it and I tend not to overthink
1:22:02
it
1:22:03
and I also kind of have the philosophy
1:22:05
that like as you say you didn't change
1:22:07
your bike until you got to Snowshoe well
1:22:09
a lot of the tracks we ride are fast and
1:22:11
rough so what changes so
1:22:16
in the circuit now everybody's got these
1:22:18
data acquisition things and people are
1:22:20
clicking here and changing there what
1:22:22
what's your take on it do you think
1:22:24
they're almost just making a bit more
1:22:24
trouble than I think
1:22:27
a lot of the time like I I don't have
1:22:29
any idea how to read it neither any of
1:22:31
neither do any of our mechanics right
1:22:32
now so if you get Telemetry and it says
1:22:34
you're bottoming out five times in a run
1:22:36
is that good or bad I don't know do you
1:22:38
want to put them out three times five
1:22:39
times one time half I have no idea yeah
1:22:43
I believe personally you'd have to do so
1:22:45
many runs on this one track so many
1:22:48
rounds on this track to get based on
1:22:50
them but right I was actually now half a
1:22:51
second quicker through there because I
1:22:52
bought that twice instead of one so
1:22:54
whatever it is I think it could be
1:22:56
really good but you would need I need to
1:22:58
start tomorrow until March I think yeah
1:23:01
and I should probably do that
1:23:03
but at the same time I do want to live
1:23:05
my life and enjoy dirt jumping and
1:23:07
Motocross a little
1:23:08
but it would be nice to win some races
1:23:09
but maybe yeah with lurk and that they
1:23:11
go so hard on it and they go so hard in
1:23:13
Queenstown when New Zealand wasn't shut
1:23:15
that it could be good yeah but I've got
1:23:17
better I've been like I can't push in
1:23:19
the front this week maybe I can make
1:23:20
this better because I always used to
1:23:22
just be like Oh I'm pushing the front
1:23:23
because it's loose and Rocky obviously
1:23:24
you're going to push the front yeah and
1:23:26
to a certain extent you are going to
1:23:27
push the front if it's dry and Dusty and
1:23:28
Rocky like your suspension isn't going
1:23:30
to suddenly make the gravel grippy yeah
1:23:33
but it could make you more planted
1:23:35
through this or you're breaking better
1:23:36
or it can help obviously loads but I
1:23:39
think we have it set up so good out the
1:23:41
gate and like our bike works good Fox is
1:23:43
amazing suspension it's going to be
1:23:45
great straight away yeah some folks are
1:23:47
also going to know what other people are
1:23:48
running so they're not going to have you
1:23:50
in there and go ah let's put you on
1:23:51
something completely different to what
1:23:53
no
1:23:54
testing down like here's your new damper
1:23:56
everyone starts here how do you feel two
1:23:59
clicks feels good see you in a bit it's
1:24:01
basically that you know yeah so no I
1:24:04
think people can definitely start
1:24:05
chasing chasing rabbit down a hole
1:24:09
um
1:24:10
yeah something we've seen with the the
1:24:12
data that Dan's used is that
1:24:15
whenever he's put it on it's told him to
1:24:18
make everything softer and less
1:24:20
Progressive but yeah because he's
1:24:22
chilling in practice
1:24:24
and then you're going to push much
1:24:25
harder and either a Time run or as you
1:24:28
get closer towards your end pace and
1:24:30
then all of a sudden You've Lost That
1:24:31
support and you're going to push through
1:24:33
and the progression's gone so yeah I
1:24:35
think you're a dead Riot obviously if
1:24:37
it's done right like and Jack do it's of
1:24:40
course a tool that is going to help done
1:24:42
wrong I think it just creates more
1:24:43
problems than it's worth yeah I think it
1:24:45
really it takes years to learn it
1:24:47
properly and know like what's achieving
1:24:49
what I think so yeah it would be cool I
1:24:51
think I'm almost too late at my career
1:24:53
now
1:24:54
I could we might try honestly we might
1:24:56
but it's a big it's a big commitment
1:24:59
money time everything wise you're losing
1:25:01
you're not losing your off season but
1:25:02
that becomes your off season I think
1:25:04
that is now what you do until the season
1:25:06
okay so we'll see but when I go to New
1:25:08
Zealand maybe we'll start trying it yeah
1:25:10
that's really interesting let's get us
1:25:12
back on track so back to the team
1:25:15
um huge characters on there obviously
1:25:18
um are you conscious about that when you
1:25:20
sign New Riders yeah like I said you
1:25:22
just want there's I guess they're pretty
1:25:24
much my friends it really cool they let
1:25:25
me count the ideas I go to Chris and
1:25:27
Rachel and everything hey guys I think
1:25:29
this guy's a great fit for pivot and the
1:25:30
team what do you think like yes or no
1:25:32
and they pretty much say yes and I try
1:25:34
and convince them that it's a good idea
1:25:36
for the team and their brand so okay
1:25:38
yeah we just want hard-working people
1:25:39
that have good social media and good
1:25:41
results and that pretty much fits
1:25:42
everyone we have on the team okay so a
1:25:45
little question
1:25:46
um if you were keeping the team with
1:25:49
everybody on it now but you were to add
1:25:51
one person you could add anyone who
1:25:54
would it be
1:25:55
anyone well we are actually having
1:25:57
someone so he's going to be quite sick
1:26:00
but anyone we've got unlimited budget
1:26:02
that's a team room with a pivot getting
1:26:04
a mail or another mail ride oh this is
1:26:06
this the one you knew Emmy you couldn't
1:26:08
tell me right okay I only knows she's
1:26:10
not telling you low
1:26:13
not too much
1:26:15
way too much
1:26:18
um anyone what Limitless budget yeah
1:26:26
because he's like my best mate riding
1:26:30
but I think he's got a sick thing with
1:26:32
Matty I would feel too bad stealing him
1:26:34
off Matty I'd feel guilty there so
1:26:36
that's why I wouldn't get Connor I'd
1:26:37
never steal him off Matty and Ant-Man
1:26:39
they've got such a dart set up they
1:26:40
they've got them so I would go Jack
1:26:42
Moore and he'd be back on a down or bike
1:26:44
there you go he's so sick on it and he
1:26:47
was still racing Duro he'd be like Eddie
1:26:48
like they do both but yeah okay well I
1:26:51
just swung over there I think I'll go
1:26:52
Jack Moore he's the man
1:26:54
I like it okay
1:26:57
so a pivot big you know big race brand
1:26:59
you're the 2022 ews number one team
1:27:02
world champions how did pivot value ews
1:27:05
versus World Cup if if you had to take
1:27:07
the team to one of them next weekend do
1:27:10
you know which one you'd be more
1:27:12
pressure to go to would it be a tough
1:27:13
decision I know the owner Chris he loves
1:27:16
downhill is the F1 of mountain biking he
1:27:19
loves that pretty sure he'll want us to
1:27:21
go to that but I think sales wise they
1:27:23
would send us to an Enduro okay I'm
1:27:25
pretty sure they see more
1:27:27
from Enduro like on Monday they're like
1:27:29
okay they did good at Enduro this
1:27:31
weekend you know they can see it versus
1:27:33
a downhill race so it depends what
1:27:37
reasons we're going when they were
1:27:38
coming to hang out with just sick race
1:27:39
or whether they wanted to sell more
1:27:41
bikes on Monday okay so I just wanted to
1:27:44
ask you about the team
1:27:46
so I was kind of thinking that aside
1:27:49
from Jenna you're all in your 30s now
1:27:52
but I wanted to check that so I Googled
1:27:54
Eddie Masters age and the first thing
1:27:58
yes all right I think he's about the
1:28:00
same as me about 33 is he yeah so but so
1:28:03
I Googled that and the first thing that
1:28:04
comes up is a site called explore
1:28:06
celeb.com
1:28:09
should I click it should I click it I'm
1:28:12
clicking it so I clicked on it and this
1:28:14
is what it says Eddie Masters is a
1:28:16
well-regarded name in the world of
1:28:18
racing Eddie Masters is a licensed
1:28:20
Enduro and downhill bike racer from the
1:28:22
beautiful country New Zealand you might
1:28:24
also recognize him as the brother of
1:28:26
windmasters all good yeah yeah
1:28:29
I'll continue most mostly the young man
1:28:33
is admired for doing stunts and tricks
1:28:35
wearing flip-flops
1:28:37
well he mainly performs on his bike
1:28:40
pivot Firebird on a scale of one to ten
1:28:43
how curious are you to know the age of
1:28:45
the handsome hunk Eddie has turned 33
1:28:48
years old as of 2022 you can send your
1:28:50
warm wishes on his birthday I.E August
1:28:53
13th
1:28:55
that's too good do you reckon Eddie's
1:28:59
written that it does sound like must
1:29:03
have been yeah
1:29:09
yeah so like like you said uh George
1:29:13
we everyone on the team is pretty old
1:29:15
but I'm the oldest I'm the Auntie but
1:29:17
like
1:29:19
um everyone is aside from Jenna in the
1:29:21
early 30s
1:29:23
um
1:29:23
so it's gonna be the question for you as
1:29:26
well to like
1:29:27
trying to change your team around like
1:29:29
around because obviously
1:29:32
you're gonna go stop racing at some
1:29:34
point yo so you
1:29:37
you you're gonna have to like get your
1:29:38
team going if you want obviously I know
1:29:40
we're gonna have to fill some spots I
1:29:41
know it's a tough one I know so are you
1:29:44
just hoping everyone's retire like I did
1:29:46
like everyone's gonna retire and then
1:29:48
you can change all your Riders at once
1:29:50
so you don't have to like
1:29:52
you know yeah I think everyone's got
1:29:54
plans honestly I know most people's
1:29:55
plans on the team so yeah I think at
1:29:58
some point we're gonna have to have a
1:29:59
bit of a rebuild rebuild the team but um
1:30:03
yeah that is the only thing we've all
1:30:05
done so well like it would be quite
1:30:07
expensive not in a big highway to buy us
1:30:09
yeah yeah I wanted to buy a top five
1:30:11
Rider right now because believe it or
1:30:13
not I am it feels weird so yeah if you
1:30:15
want to buy someone that's top five in
1:30:16
the overall you're gonna need some Deep
1:30:18
Pockets and you're gonna have a hard job
1:30:20
convincing someone because they've
1:30:22
mostly been at the brand they've been at
1:30:24
that most writers are pretty loyal like
1:30:25
in our sport you don't just jump ship
1:30:27
for a paycheck you normally like your
1:30:29
team you like who you're working with
1:30:31
you stay pretty brand loyal so
1:30:34
shouldn't buy a top five Riders hard you
1:30:36
can't even start building them up now
1:30:37
but then we've already got a lot of
1:30:39
Riders on the team so we can't have
1:30:41
eight guys in the team so pivot actually
1:30:43
have a next-gen team coming which is
1:30:45
pretty cool right with uh Dane Jewett
1:30:48
and Ryan Griffiths two Canadian kids and
1:30:49
a young girl Teagan Heap a US girl so
1:30:52
they're kind of buildings and writers up
1:30:54
for us and we're going to start helping
1:30:56
them next year with a team which is
1:30:58
pretty cool so
1:30:59
that'll be awesome
1:31:01
because yeah otherwise at some point
1:31:03
we're all going to stop and we're going
1:31:04
to need some Replacements otherwise the
1:31:06
what is the number one Enduro team in
1:31:08
the world and yeah yeah the downer team
1:31:10
is going to fade off pretty quick if
1:31:11
it's got no roster but looking at those
1:31:13
results like you've become the top two
1:31:15
and you're all early 30s
1:31:17
do you think that that might be the way
1:31:19
to go that you you'd rather than looking
1:31:22
for younger Riders you're looking for
1:31:23
Riders who yeah but they're trying to
1:31:25
buy them like I say they're probably
1:31:26
doing good already or good enough it's
1:31:28
not easy they either want to stay brand
1:31:29
loyal yeah or they're going to cost you
1:31:33
a fortune you know like the money's
1:31:35
going up which is cool but then you've
1:31:36
got to convince Brands like I have to go
1:31:38
to Fox Shimano content back guys we need
1:31:40
the X amount of dollars for the year
1:31:42
because we're going to buy these riders
1:31:44
or yeah buy them obviously not buying
1:31:46
them yeah yeah this is all we need to
1:31:47
pay though yeah it's like yeah
1:31:50
so it could be the way to go but it's
1:31:52
not cheap and it's not easy that's for
1:31:54
sure so let me take you back to Sunday
1:31:56
the 5th of June 2016. you'll remember
1:31:59
this day earlier that weekend a Bergamo
1:32:02
right Factory Rider by the name of
1:32:03
Edward Masters The Squire had rather
1:32:05
unexpectedly qualified second at the
1:32:07
Fort William World Cup behind G and on
1:32:10
the Sunday Eddie famously binned it in
1:32:13
the first Corner yeah do you mention
1:32:15
that to him
1:32:16
we were talking about this year I think
1:32:18
when I qualified good and we've talked
1:32:20
about a couple times but it's a funny
1:32:22
story looking back like he's not mad
1:32:24
about it because it's ridiculous that he
1:32:25
qualified second that he's on man even
1:32:29
now I wouldn't be surprised if he came
1:32:30
out next year and won a World Cup it
1:32:32
would not surprise me honestly if you if
1:32:35
you're his team manager in that City if
1:32:37
that happened again now what would you
1:32:39
tell him
1:32:41
well if you qualified second you mean
1:32:42
yeah you couldn't tell him anything he's
1:32:44
gonna do what he's going to do let Eddie
1:32:46
go do it go do what you're gonna do I
1:32:48
think he's a lot smarter now but I don't
1:32:51
think it crashed from the second turn
1:32:52
now third wherever it was first yeah but
1:32:54
I don't know he's
1:32:56
he's something that's for sure
1:32:58
we need to get him on here actually oh
1:33:01
you definitely do he'd be a good one
1:33:02
yeah
1:33:03
um
1:33:04
yeah I don't know what you tell him you
1:33:06
couldn't tell him anything even now you
1:33:08
like I get real nervous that I say the
1:33:10
wrong things enduro's like this year
1:33:11
when he got third at Canada I don't want
1:33:14
to say anything should I say I like want
1:33:15
him to do his thing so I'm so invested
1:33:18
like
1:33:19
in a stoked way for them like we've got
1:33:21
between me and their effort everyone
1:33:24
behind the effort like the amount of
1:33:26
people at pivot Warehouse Reynolds
1:33:28
Warehouse Fox that send products out and
1:33:30
make this happen is so cool that when
1:33:33
someone's doing good I don't want to say
1:33:34
anything because I want it to happen
1:33:35
because I know it normally hopefully
1:33:37
makes a lot of people stoked
1:33:39
so let's finish off with a bit of chat
1:33:41
about the future you've you've been
1:33:42
quite vocal about ESO and image rights
1:33:46
do you really think you're gonna get
1:33:47
anything
1:33:48
I hope so if these other team managers
1:33:50
wake up I'm going to call them out right
1:33:52
now and bloody
1:33:53
stand our ground if you have strength
1:33:57
impact like in yeah yeah strength and
1:34:01
numbers strength and unity if we all
1:34:02
like agree this is what we need to do
1:34:03
this is what we do without us they have
1:34:05
no show yeah like not to be if no teams
1:34:08
turn up they've if they paid ten dollars
1:34:12
a year for the races let's say
1:34:14
or eight dollars a year for a race and
1:34:16
they have eight races every race we
1:34:18
don't show up to they lose a dollar you
1:34:20
know and it's a much bigger number than
1:34:21
that so they need us to show up
1:34:24
you know so if we all believe in
1:34:27
this fair thing happening and they think
1:34:30
they're doing this great thing on a tree
1:34:31
that's fairly then we can come to a
1:34:33
great agreement but lately we've had
1:34:35
some
1:34:35
quite big figures and we don't know what
1:34:38
we're getting for it yet so yeah yeah
1:34:41
hopefully that it honestly it could be
1:34:44
the best thing that's ever happened to
1:34:45
sport it really could be yeah like I'm
1:34:47
not doubting that they're gonna be
1:34:47
amazing but we don't know enough it's so
1:34:50
late now yeah we need to know more so I
1:34:53
really really hope they tell us more and
1:34:56
give us a great Fair Deal that makes us
1:34:58
stoked and want to perform at our best
1:34:59
and
1:35:01
showcase ourselves and our Sport and
1:35:02
their channel the best have you still
1:35:04
not heard anything not really no I can't
1:35:07
even live then it didn't really tell me
1:35:09
anything so I asked a little more
1:35:10
questions and I went to here
1:35:12
so yeah
1:35:16
street racing
1:35:18
you had a massive one at the start of
1:35:20
the year was it in Chile yeah Valparaiso
1:35:23
yeah yeah it was brutal and to me
1:35:26
there's like levels there's crashing on
1:35:28
World Cup tracks then there's maybe
1:35:29
crashing it Hardline but none of the
1:35:32
landings are basically 100 concrete and
1:35:34
Metal
1:35:36
what goes through your head when you're
1:35:38
in the start of a street race
1:35:40
today I was trying to ride smart X I
1:35:42
knew I was feeling good for the season
1:35:43
and I was just a sketchy triple and I
1:35:45
think I just did my tires hard enough I
1:35:47
was like kind of confident new comedies
1:35:49
and I was like oh these are good but I
1:35:51
like needed more street race pressure I
1:35:53
think my mistake was not having my tire
1:35:54
hard enough and it just blew off the
1:35:56
room I guess so
1:35:58
yeah I think most time you're pretty
1:35:59
dialed it you just ride at 90 now you're
1:36:02
sprinting 100 you don't ride the
1:36:04
straights at 100 you've got to be smart
1:36:05
but I love it I love that we get to
1:36:08
travel to these amazing places that most
1:36:10
World Cups we go to the same town on the
1:36:12
same weekend for the last 15 years like
1:36:14
people think you travel but you go to
1:36:15
the same place for a street races you
1:36:17
get a Chile Mexico China wherever it is
1:36:19
and it's such a cool opportunity to do
1:36:22
and they actually pay good prize money
1:36:24
unlike the World Cup Series so that's
1:36:26
also a bonus
1:36:27
so would you like a one round of the
1:36:30
World Cup to be a street race do you
1:36:31
reckon that maybe not the World Cup but
1:36:33
I think Rebel want to do more street
1:36:35
races worldwide so I'm all up for them
1:36:37
especially as they get older I'll just
1:36:38
go and cruise and do some whips at those
1:36:40
and it'll be pretty fun
1:36:41
Jack how many of you have you done a
1:36:44
street race no
1:36:46
no
1:36:47
would you yeah
1:36:49
we go to the same places all the time
1:36:53
these other races take you to really
1:36:55
cool cities but you'd probably never
1:36:56
visit so yeah it's definitely I can't
1:36:59
feel you guys
1:37:07
it's too
1:37:09
it's
1:37:10
it looks too painful if you crash
1:37:13
yes I've still got like a mark on my on
1:37:16
my right Knuckle from the corrugated
1:37:17
iron that like burnt the skin off so
1:37:20
so what's the plan for next season then
1:37:23
you mentioned before you were getting a
1:37:25
bit more help with the with the team is
1:37:27
that so that you can try and focus on
1:37:29
the racing a bit more
1:37:30
yeah and even the off season train were
1:37:32
like I'm so busy at the minute I'll have
1:37:34
a few hours after I'm gonna be up to
1:37:35
midnight tonight and then
1:37:37
at 6 30 tomorrow the bus is back in the
1:37:39
UK now so I've got a drive start and get
1:37:41
that emptied with someone that's now
1:37:42
helping this week work for me I get all
1:37:45
the bikes and all the spares out there
1:37:46
and bring them home so I got a bit on
1:37:48
this week if I'm honest so yeah I'm
1:37:51
gonna um
1:37:52
get like an assistant to like help do
1:37:55
more of the payments more emails like
1:37:56
loads of the stuff like that and um even
1:37:59
ensuring the vehicles or yeah checking
1:38:02
this I've done half of the maybe
1:38:04
two-thirds of the accommodation for next
1:38:05
year already so that's all done well
1:38:07
two-thirds of it so I've got a third to
1:38:09
go on that but yeah just get all that
1:38:12
done and then um train I'm gonna go out
1:38:14
to New Zealand as soon as possible yeah
1:38:16
everything's kind of stored in the UK I
1:38:17
hope you let end of December I'm gonna
1:38:19
go out to New Zealand and uh just ride
1:38:22
there train I miss it there I mean for
1:38:23
years so just get some serious downhill
1:38:26
bike timeout in the in the good weather
1:38:27
and then try and win one of these World
1:38:29
Cups next year hopefully I was going to
1:38:31
say is that the end for next season the
1:38:32
aim for next year the overalls call I
1:38:34
want to win a World Cup it's been the
1:38:35
aim for the last 15 years pretty much
1:38:37
but I feel like we're in Striking
1:38:39
Distance now and pivot are working on
1:38:40
some cool things so
1:38:42
yeah I think yeah with them and Conti
1:38:45
we're gonna get more used to the ties
1:38:46
you know and working on on stuff with
1:38:48
them so
1:38:49
cool yeah I think yeah try and win a
1:38:51
race
1:38:54
obviously like you just said you've had
1:38:56
15 years pushing for a World Cup win
1:39:00
if you win the first one what's gonna
1:39:02
happen then probably announce my
1:39:03
retirement and then get a hug really
1:39:06
yeah I've always said I'd now I always
1:39:08
said I would announce my retirement
1:39:09
that's why I've asked the question are
1:39:11
you not gonna if you've won the first
1:39:12
would you not be like right [ __ ] it I'm
1:39:14
having the overall oh no don't race the
1:39:16
season for sure but I'd probably
1:39:18
announce my retirement I've always
1:39:19
thought it's so cool to go on a high and
1:39:21
it's not about being cool in life but it
1:39:23
would be pretty cool to go out as the
1:39:25
champ
1:39:26
really sick you know but I don't know
1:39:29
Racing's so much more fun when you do
1:39:31
good I had such a good time this year
1:39:33
yeah when you good it's way more fun 100
1:39:35
I've had two years injured it [ __ ]
1:39:38
sucks yeah it was just before covid when
1:39:40
I was enjoying it because I was doing
1:39:42
well it was good yeah it's way more
1:39:45
enjoyable so anyway so we'll see where's
1:39:47
the lens at home man I'm gonna come and
1:39:49
swing in Atlanta yeah there you go yeah
1:39:52
so no maybe I'll see how we feel going
1:39:55
into season like even now so much like I
1:39:57
visit the gym today already just to
1:39:58
sustain what I had not to go hard just
1:40:01
so when I start training properly at the
1:40:02
end of December that I haven't lost
1:40:04
everything I built for this year yeah so
1:40:07
we're already like in a routine you know
1:40:08
you're not
1:40:09
like I can't just go to Hawaii on
1:40:11
holiday for two weeks like you or you
1:40:13
can if you want to lose time and this
1:40:16
and that so it would be nice at some
1:40:18
point to not care about what I do every
1:40:20
week yeah yeah so we'll see cool well
1:40:25
thanks for coming on the shop it's uh
1:40:27
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1:40:29
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1:40:31
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