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In the last two seasons Benoît Coulanges has jumped from the world’s top 30 into the top 10 & is now a podium threat at every race. Along the way he’s pocketed a silver medal at the 2021 World Championships & the 2020 & 2021 French national titles. In this episode, his first ever podcast, George & Jack find out just how he did it. Also joining them is one of the most loved riders on the World Cup circuit, Emilie Siegenthaler. Emilie announced her retirement from World Cup racing at the end of the 2021 season with 6 x Swiss national titles & 16 World Cup podiums to her name.
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hello and welcome to episode 10 of
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season three of the pod it's been a busy
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couple of months since the end of the
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season but hopefully between now and the
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end of the year we can get through some
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of the podcasts we've promised because
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this there's a lot stacking up jack i
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think when we left off at the end of the
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last episode you were heading over to
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cassous for the third national of the
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year that was a cracking weekend wasn't
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it i think you ended up third
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yeah it was may and obviously i've had a
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tough season and coming back from the us
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doing those two world cups with my
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broken hand it was uh it was nice to go
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to cassous and ride a short track in
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good weather and and i wasn't expecting
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to get a podium and came third in some
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good company and give down a pace in
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which he was due so
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yeah it was a nice weekend for me and a
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nice way to wrap up a very difficult
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season
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well i know in the uk we're not blessed
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with the biggest hills but i i prefer it
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when the race organizers don't try and
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drag it out just to make the track last
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longer i know it was only a 90-second
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track for you a bit longer for me but it
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was flat out from top to bottom and that
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delivers some super tight racing what's
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your thoughts on that do you do you
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agree or do you would you prefer them to
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have dragged it out a bit
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no i'd much rather them go for quality
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rather than quantity like
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yeah it was a sick track it was more
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like a sector or a world cup but who
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cares like yeah
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so fun the uplift was good mark
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delivered a really good event obviously
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the national series has been under quite
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a lot of scrutiny over the last few
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years and i still think they've got a
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long way to go um
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stinion was it was a joke um so yeah
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there were a lot of things that weekend
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that i personally was very unhappy with
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as a rider and as a team you know team
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manager um but kasoos they nailed it um
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and yeah great track uh good weather
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well organized so yeah don't drag it out
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just give us what we want cool well from
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there you went up to winners for the ews
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which looked pretty horrific i think you
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ended up 54
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yeah it was just rain for four days it
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was so cold um but i mean i had a good
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weekend i was there with dan and
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more importantly i was there with my
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mate rob young shout out to rob everest
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with rob for well since 2007 um and he
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now just does a bit of this and a bit of
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that and for the last few years he's
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been doing an enduro and it was his
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second dws but he he's basically an
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indonesian local even though he lives in
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leeds he goes there all the time yeah
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so me and him we've kind of been doing a
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lot of trash talk against each other in
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the run-up to the event and
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everybody kind of thought he was going
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to give me a pasting and
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i knew i had no chance if he stayed on
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but rob loves crashing so
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crashed his way through the first two or
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three stages and i think i had an eight
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second lead on him and then we went into
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the last stage i think it was 0.7 apart
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uh it was ridiculous how we kind of got
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to that stage so close
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but that last stage was the the stage on
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the downhill side that was the pro stage
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um and i give him a pasting on there so
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he was 58 and i was 54th so we had a
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good weekend having a bit of a banter i
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mean those races are so hard and we're
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going to be staying clear of them next
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year and focusing on the downhills and
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and some mega avalanche racing yeah i
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mean i we'd done cassous probably the
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week before and it was like built in
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sunshine and dust and then i looked it i
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i was just like
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i was wasn't i didn't want to go in as
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there's no there's no envy there that
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weekend no if i wasn't having that
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banter we're robbed there's absolutely
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no way i would left me out
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give us your opinion on the richie rude
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disqualification though should have been
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disqualified
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um yeah um it's a tricky one i think in
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the circumstances
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maybe i do disqualification was a little
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bit
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um
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i think the disqualification was the
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correct move but i also think for the
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fans and for the the racing element i
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think a five ten second penalty or
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whatever would have been a little bit
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more appropriate so that then him and
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jack could have had a bit of a bit of a
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race maybe jack would have preferred
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that i preferred that as well who knows
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i mean i looked at that
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from both a rider perspective and the
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team manager perspective when i walked
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it and i thought what are these ski
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poles doing here do i need to go through
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them and i looked and i was like well
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yeah of course i need to go through them
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otherwise they wouldn't be there um so
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that was the decision i made as a rider
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i then as a team manager went to dan and
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said just so you know
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make sure you go through go through
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those those daft ski things that they've
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put there in between the tape um
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so i did my job as a team manager
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i'm just i when it happened i was just
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bemused by the fact that yeti as a team
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didn't communicate to their riders just
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so you guys are aware go through those
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things like
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i don't personally believe richie was
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directly trying to cheat because it was
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of everyone it was in front of the
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commentator it was in front of the race
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officials and it was in front of a crowd
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so i don't believe he was actually
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trying to cheat i think he just thought
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that he could stay between the tape so
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personally i think it was a race
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organizer error not putting tape between
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those things and
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a team manager error from yeti's point
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of view because there's a rider you're
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just racing
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um
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and then it should be the team manager's
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job there to say to his riders guys just
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go through those so i think yeah
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it was just things it shouldn't have
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been allowed to happen
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nah they should have it was a bit weird
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they could have just taped
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tipped to the poles so you didn't don't
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yeah
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well it's a bit bit like we've had the
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formula one this weekend and those guys
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have tried to encourage the race and not
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stuck to the rules and then they've had
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an amazingly you know final lap yeah but
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this on this they stuck to the rules and
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ruined the race really didn't they you
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know like yeah
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jack just took it so yeah
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from there onto the you've just talked
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about hunter final race of the season
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your boy took the win
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the only person to go under 225 all
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weekend speed tucking down the final
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straight he must be pumped
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yeah he was pleased i was pleased with
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you know as i said the event was a joke
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um and then i snapped my chain at the
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start yet in the finals run
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um
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and then
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all of a sudden dan came down and won
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and that was just meant like it it kind
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of saved the weekend for for us really
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it was absolutely ace to see him take
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his first national win so so yeah he was
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pleased we were pleased it was it was
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great now i assured you it was a good
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track
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the track was all right the track wasn't
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bad it was the way the event was
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organized and i had a few problems with
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some marshalls and some commencers and
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um
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i just think
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obviously i race all over the world have
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done for a very long time and when i
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come home and go to british events quite
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a lot of the time there's a lot of a lot
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of things that in my opinion are just
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comical um and i haven't even found it
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within myself yet to go back to british
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cycling and give them feedback
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on the event because it's just
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it's just stuff that's so obvious like
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it's not happening in lots of other
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countries it's not happening at world
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cup so why are we getting marshals with
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attitude problems and commissars without
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issue problems and
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so much
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lack of continuity throughout the event
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so so yeah um i'll digress but yeah i
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thought the track was pretty good
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well i think next season we've still got
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several race organizers do you think it
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it'd be better than if we if there was a
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consistent one one team doing the whole
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series
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in my opinion
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the problem is
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there's too much [ __ ] in this
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country for the race organizers to deal
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with and too many health and safety
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hoops and too many different people with
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opinions and
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too many people with clipboards um so
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yeah i think
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it's going to be very difficult for them
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to sort out and make it so they are
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delivering
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a series that is
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um
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what should be an entry level series to
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world cup racing which at the moment it
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just isn't
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um it's comical when you compare it to
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other national series races in other
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countries um
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but yeah i mean they need to get it
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sorted because through my gravity school
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i'm seeing so much excitement and so
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much talent coming through in terms of
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downhill and young riders in this
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country and they need a good series to
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be racing in um
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and at the moment it is not happening
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and british cycling and the event
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organizers need to sort it out the
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venues
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and
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2022 look good um with rayola for
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william langathlon um
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revs
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um
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that's four good good long tracks and
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then glencoe's national champs they've
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got the venues to be able to deliver
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that so
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they need to sort themselves out i'm
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excited to see sai payton come back and
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deliver langolan um and hopefully um do
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a really good job and set the benchmark
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for the other organizers to aim for
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again so
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yeah it's very frustrating
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excellent
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so i try not to talk about my own
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performance because generally the less
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said the better but this race was
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massive for me because i i finally beat
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my teammate binzi we've been racing
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together since 2013 40 races before this
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one and i've never beaten him he's never
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crashed never had a mechanical in all
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that time it's incredible that really
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when you're thinking about it 40 races
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no mechanicals no crashes
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there you go yeah congrats to binsy on
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that one um and also congrats to
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yourself like that's that's why that's
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i've been getting closer pralut was the
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closest i've been and then boom he
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binned it on the shoot and
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and i took the spoils but i've been at
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revs with him since then he's already
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been out and bought a session so i think
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he's pretty fired up for next season and
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ready to go nice
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so since since then you you've had a
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week sunning yourself in cape verde and
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then back out to reunion island for the
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mega
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it's a tough life being a professional
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sportsman in it oh yeah i'm exhausted eh
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tell us a bit about omega then well yeah
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cape verde was a week with a wife first
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trip we've had away since before covered
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so that was quite nice and then the mega
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was a bit of a nice surprise and
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it turns out if you podium at the mega
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and outdoors they give you your flight
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to reunion but because
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they didn't tell us that this year
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because they obviously didn't know if
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they were going to happen
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so i had no idea and i got an email
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about
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four weeks before the event um asking
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you know if i wanted to go and they'd
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pay for the flight so i spoke with sr
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suntor and they said yep go out and
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represent and film a vlog and
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do the event so yeah went out and what a
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place um
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you know shout out to flopey who helped
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us out he lives there and we did some
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riding with him and yeah it's just
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amazing it was uh it's a kind of a
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tropical island so on the beach you've
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got 30 degrees and sun but all you have
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to do is go two miles inland and you get
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a bit of cloud and the mountains go
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straight up so it was up in the morning
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for an hour and 20 minute drive up the
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mountain and then a two-hour ride
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sometimes longer if we did more than one
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lap
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and then we'll be on the beach by
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lunchtime so it was uh it was a one of
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them one of my favorite ever
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you see why yeah cause i can see why
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yeah with a hell of a suntan and uh and
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and the race for the race was tough like
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i'd recommend the event to anyone but
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just be aware it's more like a
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cross-country race there was so much
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pedaling um i did i did enjoy it and um
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i was surprised to come eighth
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especially from the fourth row because i
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had a puncture in my qualifying so i was
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really pleased to get top 10 and round
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out the season so it's good cool so
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that's the 2020 race season wrapped up
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we'll be back with world champs silver
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medalist and the 2020 and 2021 freshman
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french national downhill champion benoit
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colange after these messages memoir
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collage welcome to the podcast how you
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doing
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i'm fine thank you first time in the
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podcast so i'm a little bit afraid but
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i'm here so let's go
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cool where where in the world are you
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right
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now i'm in uh in i live in france and
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i'm close to lyon 30 minute from neon
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we have small mountain they call it uh
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mondiale and i'm in this whole zone so
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pretty good fodo doing some mountain
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biking in the winter yeah colin you were
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just saying you've just had your first
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bit of snow
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yeah last week we have like
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like few days we have some snow but no
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it's
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he's okay so
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cool
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cool so i think i said him in one of the
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messages to you that that your story is
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perhaps the most interesting of all and
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the reason for that is that riders
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generally come into elite and they find
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their level pretty quickly you started
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riding world cups in 2012
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and in my head i'd put you in the same
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category as jaqen i hope jack doesn't
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mind me saying this but like a solid top
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30 writer
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there were results that were better than
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that you had a 15th at fort william in
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2015 a 13th at valenord in 2017th and
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11th at valley stalling 2018 to name a
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few but there were also results that
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went the other way and it stayed like
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that for six seasons did you feel like
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you'd found your level that you would
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that's where you were a solid top 30
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rider
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i think
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for most of the
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people who didn't know me and you know
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me my
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history when when you look the results
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yeah it's look like my maximum level
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but for me
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i wasn't believe that this time it was
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my maximum level because
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you know most of the
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young writers or the guru i don't know
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starting big team like
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sometime before today junior
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and me i just started my uh
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to racing local race in junior
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like i
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second year in
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junior i did some
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french cup one world cup and after i did
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uh
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my two
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two first year in elite i was uh
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at school so i did like maybe seven woke
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up in two years so
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you know when i
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i was in the third
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edit
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uh most of the
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riders are like maybe
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four years of full racing me i was just
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like seven world cups so it's pretty
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much one season yeah
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so for me
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my rare carrier started there
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we wasn't i wasn't in a big team i was i
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was in a small team you know
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it was the same uh
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like today the same team but
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it was the start i could play my team
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manager did this team
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uh
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for helping some rider on his city and
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we are pretty much a group of young
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riders who want to do the quality done
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and go in the final
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and it was more than
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it was more
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a group of pre
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a little bit organized than the team at
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the beginning
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cool so
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yeah every year i had some
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more experience and
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yeah
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i think i was in the top 13 uh
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really fast
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yeah 30 sorry yeah and
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but
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i was believe
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i can do better we have not the best
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bike at the moment not the best team
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you know we learn
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we learn everyone some
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some skills every race
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you know i have some mechanical problem
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um
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in
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2018
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i really start to have a good good
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result in top 20 but i had a lot a lot
16:48
of problem mechanicals or
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crash or
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and we start
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i think we finish
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the partnership with nikolai in
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2017
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and in
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2018 we didn't have any
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frame
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sponsor
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so we would in saracen but the bike
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didn't fit with me and i chant during
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the the season the bike
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with the comment sound
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because the three first world cup didn't
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work for me
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so i chant and i did my first uh
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pretty much top 10 i was 11 in valdisol
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yeah
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but
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this year pretty much at every race we i
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had a problem that
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in vegeta i have my shocks
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the robot was full opened raised my run
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after that we have
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one no i was writing my
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on my window and by qualifying because i
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moved
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from 27 to 29 when i change my bike and
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uh
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and we didn't know but uh the donnie
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tire had some problem with tubeless
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in 29
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like it was pretty frustrating but we
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didn't know at this time
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and yeah this year was pretty
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difficult for that but i really believe
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i can do some top 10 for sure so
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yeah never stop believing yeah
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but yeah when you you don't know my
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story it's look like this like
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top
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30 is my maximum level at this time here
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for sure
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yeah it's it's really interesting to
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hear that because obviously i've i've
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raced you since you started your career
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and
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obviously for a time we had some similar
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sponsors so i i knew you very well for a
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number of years and
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even knowing you on the racing circuit i
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i didn't know most of that story
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and even to me
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it was like whoa where did benoit come
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from and then listening to you explain
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your path and the route you've had
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it now makes a lot more sense so it's uh
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it's really interesting to hear all that
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and uh and and kind of hear the journey
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from your perspective
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so
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moving on from where you just took us to
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2019 you had a great start to the season
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fantastic second place at european
19:30
championships in portugal and then you
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had a big crash at fort william
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resulting in a bad knee injury
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did you write the rest of that season
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off
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yeah it was difficult here because after
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2018 i was really
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thinking i can do better team is bigger
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a bigger every year better component
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more experience but i
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i had
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in
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injured ankle ranger during the winter
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so i come to to the first world cup
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pretty much in prepare like physically
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it was really hard
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european championship was not bad
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because
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the track was less physical so maybe i
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was able to do good writing
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and
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yeah for william i had a punctuator in
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the quality i was riding in dawn
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and on the last jump
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the railways uh blocking my frame i
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think with the tire puncture and
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uh i go over the bar it was a small
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crash but
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i don't know in the air during the the
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crash my knee turn with the bike and so
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it was like
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two more
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of the bike pretty much during the
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season so it's
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i was riding at the end of the season
20:57
but
20:58
i was pretty slow
21:01
it was hard for me because
21:03
it was my first uh
21:05
summer in mozilla
21:08
so before the world cup when i'm
21:10
coming back
21:12
i think i did like 10 days on the donald
21:14
bike
21:15
but i was feeling really good you know
21:17
when you you try to push hard you also
21:20
always feel fast and
21:23
because it's your maximum at this moment
21:26
so you always feel fast but when i come
21:28
to the the first world cup after my
21:31
injury i did some training and
21:34
i think at the end of the training i
21:36
asked about
21:38
who was in my team first in the first
21:40
year in my team
21:43
if i can follow a baptist
21:45
and say yeah yeah and after three corner
21:48
i didn't see uh
21:52
so
21:54
at this time it was so hard because i
21:56
was really thinking i was ready but
21:59
no not at all
22:00
welcome to my world benoit
22:05
i didn't do the quality
22:09
in the top 360.
22:12
yeah it was hard for my man because the
22:14
year before i was 11 so
22:17
you know it's always hard when you you
22:19
did good in the past and you you can do
22:22
the same so pretty much the last three
22:25
world cup
22:26
it was not a really good wizard but i
22:29
was pretty motivated for the oxygen
22:31
unfortunately yeah i can relate to that
22:34
from this year that's for sure when fast
22:35
feels fast but it's not fast
22:41
talk us through what happened in the
22:43
excuse me start again
22:45
so talk us through what happened in the
22:47
offseason between
22:49
2019 and 2020 because i can't recall
22:53
ever seeing a rider's results changed so
22:56
much 2020 you took your first french cup
22:59
win
23:00
in later alp and i can add in there the
23:03
weekend before that we were racing in
23:05
albues
23:07
and i remember me and benoit had i think
23:10
eighth and ninth top splits together and
23:13
then benoit took five seconds out of me
23:15
at the bottom and i actually remember
23:17
speaking to gaetan about his bottom
23:20
split i think it was gaetan because you
23:22
took five seconds out of me and i'd
23:23
ridden pretty well um and normally we'd
23:26
you know fairly rub shoulders and uh i
23:29
was like that there's something wrong
23:30
with the timing um
23:32
and then
23:34
the week after you went and as i said
23:37
you won later out and then you were on
23:39
the box every other round you were then
23:41
french national champion head of like
23:43
and loris so i was like yeah fair enough
23:46
i think he just smoked me um
23:48
something's changing and then and this
23:50
was all before the world cup's even
23:52
started so
23:53
give us a talk through your preparation
23:55
for that 2020 season
23:58
yeah uh
24:01
you know when
24:03
a rider i really think when a rider
24:05
oh my internet connection is not stable
24:09
it's all right we can hear you
24:12
so you know when
24:15
most of the riders have a big change
24:17
like this
24:19
everybody
24:20
i think is a they did they did
24:24
something really different during this
24:27
off season
24:29
but finale is uh i think
24:35
you work during
24:38
every year you you work a lot and
24:41
every year you improve your riding
24:44
and uh
24:46
is not in one off season you build your
24:48
level is doing many years
24:52
so
24:54
yeah
24:55
every year i try to find something to
24:58
improve
25:01
normally when i want to change some
25:05
one habit in my
25:09
in my
25:10
skills or
25:12
in my riding
25:14
i try a lot on one thing
25:17
to jump because it takes a long time to
25:19
change something you know when you are
25:21
in the race run
25:23
you you you don't ride with a
25:26
reflection you write with instinct and
25:29
like an animal
25:31
yes change this uh
25:34
this uh habit is really hard you need to
25:37
to work a lot yeah
25:40
so
25:42
i think is a mix of a lot of things
25:46
i think maybe
25:48
before i have the level
25:52
of this but not the result
25:54
yeah
25:56
during the winter yeah i changed small
25:59
things like in first
26:02
the team changed a lot
26:04
because we we had
26:08
cami come to the team yeah
26:10
and
26:11
uh
26:12
she managed the
26:15
bike sponsor in the team and the team
26:17
manager manager
26:19
danval the financial sponsor
26:22
and she she shows the best uh component
26:25
like we have fox frontal
26:28
schwab combos are wheels uh
26:31
shimano
26:32
and no we we are sure we have one of the
26:37
top three best bike in the paddock yeah
26:42
so when in the past i have some
26:44
mechanical issue and
26:47
and not
26:49
you know it's not bad component but it
26:51
was it was good but not the best when
26:53
you have the best is so much easier
26:56
easier to
26:58
to sit the bike to improve your skills
27:01
and everything that the first thing will
27:03
change
27:04
also the
27:06
the team are
27:08
area more professional
27:11
we have more [ __ ] every year because
27:13
we improve the results every year
27:17
in the team we have monika
27:20
she did some good podiums in the past we
27:22
have uh
27:24
salazar she did some podium also in
27:27
world cup
27:28
we had some young junior parties pioneer
27:30
sometime in the top 10.
27:33
so
27:34
uh it's also hard to find directly the
27:37
best stuff for the team you know to find
27:40
um
27:42
like
27:43
sometimes you have a good mechanic but
27:45
it's not fit with the team
27:48
is you know some teams are very
27:50
professional some team are is a bit more
27:53
uh fun inside but it's not bad or wrong
27:57
you just need to to find the right
27:59
people going with the right one in the
28:00
team and his take time
28:02
i listen one time i think he's in the
28:05
outspoken of regularly he asked his team
28:08
manager if you need to try a new team
28:10
now
28:11
how many ai he needs to to find the good
28:14
people and he said three years is a lot
28:16
when you when you know to do
28:18
a good team it's uh
28:21
so yeah the team is more professional
28:23
every year
28:25
also i challenge my
28:28
uh of uh not physio in my coach
28:32
yeah no is uh adrienne blascher he's the
28:35
physiology of the team
28:38
and he's also take time to to find the
28:41
right pee and the right
28:42
coach you know now we we
28:45
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28:46
we found every year a good
28:51
good thing to improve
28:53
uh
28:54
yeah for sure
28:56
yeah and uh
28:58
i was i was um
29:00
in mozain during the summer
29:03
also you know this year
29:04
in 2020 we had uh
29:07
the kovid yeah
29:09
so
29:10
we had more time in the summer to ride
29:12
and a lot of rider
29:17
not stopped but
29:18
was more relaxed and me i was
29:21
fully focused for racing because i had
29:24
the
29:25
enjoyed the year before yeah so for me
29:27
it was like pretty much vital to have
29:30
good results yeah i was really uh
29:34
motivate android
29:37
the lockdown i
29:39
i try to do everything i can to to keep
29:42
my
29:43
physical preparation and after enrolling
29:46
i try
29:47
a lot to change my habit on my breaking
29:51
during all the summer so i think it's
29:52
payoff and
29:56
yeah
29:57
i come to
29:58
to the french cup i was pretty ready and
30:01
maybe some other rider wasn't but me i
30:04
was ready to fight
30:07
so i i was
30:09
taken there
30:10
is one we didn't know your story and
30:12
really you've just got to forget 2019
30:15
because of your injury and if you do
30:17
that
30:18
your last result was 11th so
30:21
going from the 11th at valdez stall into
30:23
the way you performed in 2020 actually
30:25
makes quite a lot of sense and then the
30:27
other thing is
30:28
what you said about your team and your
30:30
sponsors and your new coach and your
30:33
preparation
30:34
you've got to have everything right and
30:36
everything lined up for things to work
30:38
so
30:39
when you explain that it makes it a lot
30:41
of sense sorry george carry on yeah but
30:44
jimmy take time to to be to be
30:46
professionally we we didn't have enough
30:49
money and
30:51
experience at the beginning for sure i
30:53
know we are pretty pretty good
30:55
yeah
30:56
so one of the things you said you tried
30:58
to improve lots of things um
31:01
one of the things i wanted to talk to
31:02
you about is that i i overheard some
31:04
people talking at one of the races and i
31:06
can't remember who it was but they said
31:08
your style on the bike had improved
31:10
dramatically
31:12
that you didn't look good on the bike in
31:14
previous years but now you do is that
31:16
something you've worked on your body
31:18
position and
31:23
yeah i'm working on my body position but
31:28
i'm not really angry with that my study
31:32
didn't change
31:33
you know first time in the
31:36
live tv
31:37
say oh yeah he have long legs and you
31:40
use his long legs
31:42
no some friends call me long legs
31:50
i think this year still to say he having
31:52
lazy use this uh to his advantage
31:56
so
31:57
my writing changed a little bit yes for
32:00
sure but like not
32:02
i didn't ride with my harm so i didn't
32:05
write like a more pioneer
32:07
so i
32:09
i have my
32:10
my style i keep it from the
32:12
beginning and and also you know
32:18
my
32:20
clothes change
32:22
a lot from the beginning so
32:24
sometimes
32:26
some people's um
32:30
uh
32:31
check too much this
32:33
and think you change your your style but
32:35
not it's not your style just your
32:37
clothes
32:39
yeah for sure
32:40
it's like in world cup sometimes you see
32:42
at the training some riders are really
32:44
fast but it's look fast it's not really
32:46
fast and it's a little bit the same it's
32:49
not like statistics
32:52
[Music]
32:54
okay so going back to 2020 12th at world
32:57
championships in leo gang and then
32:59
inside the top 20 all four world cups
33:01
with the seventh at the first of the two
33:03
races in loser
33:05
i assume you were very happy with with
33:07
your season in 2020
33:10
to be a nest
33:13
for the world cup season i was a little
33:15
bit
33:16
frustrated
33:18
because after the
33:20
french cup
33:22
season
33:23
i was pretty much like i think
33:25
overconfident i was
33:27
too much to believe in me and after the
33:30
french
33:31
championships i beat chloe bernie and
33:34
laurie
33:36
greene was a world champion so in my
33:39
mind it was a little bit like
33:41
okay i did this so maybe i can beat them
33:45
also in world cup
33:47
yeah
33:49
but
33:50
no world cup is working
33:53
like it's not it's not it's not the same
33:56
you can have all the
33:59
work pride in the french cup
34:02
it's not a world cup world cup is way
34:04
different because
34:05
the mindset and the
34:09
co media coverage and everything so it's
34:12
it changes out the thing yeah
34:14
so
34:16
i come i was happy with my result in the
34:18
world championship
34:20
in logan because it was pretty hard
34:23
i have like
34:24
not a good run but when you saw everyone
34:27
uh
34:28
yeah
34:29
i'm pretty stoked because easier to
34:33
to crash and to do a good one so i was
34:36
pretty strong
34:38
but in my ebook
34:40
i was too much
34:42
i want too much i think i did like big
34:45
mistake during my first
34:48
one
34:50
the first one i did big mistake
34:53
so when i crashed before the quality so
34:55
i was not really good i crashed in the
34:57
warm garden i was like
34:59
i was not sure to write the
35:00
qualification and everything so it was
35:02
hard
35:03
and after i loser i was thinking okay
35:06
just do what you can do and
35:10
we will see i did a pretty much
35:12
pretty good first
35:15
wound
35:16
in news i was seven i think
35:20
and i think i didn't manage good
35:23
pedaling section because i was thought
35:25
before the
35:28
the physical resection and i was seven
35:31
at the end so
35:32
alpha second of the podium
35:35
i always really believe i can do it for
35:37
the second run but uh
35:39
yeah in the second run in
35:42
rusa
35:43
i took the
35:46
the
35:53
i was in some time of
35:56
laurie gergie
36:00
yeah
36:01
i took the rain
36:03
so i was like on the top 20 yeah it's
36:06
very crazy it's crazy because the
36:07
qualification
36:09
we have no point i didn't pedal him
36:11
crazy in the paid section and in the
36:14
final i was slower in the battery
36:16
section because he was teaching he was
36:18
crazy yeah sure
36:21
so um oh yeah i was i i was a little bit
36:24
frustrated about my uh work obsession
36:27
but yeah
36:29
i
36:30
i yeah i was i believe i can do i can do
36:33
a podium for the year after that
36:36
yeah for sure
36:37
so was there a good mood in the team at
36:39
the end of the 2020 season with camille
36:41
being world champion monica thurs and
36:44
then you'd had some good results was the
36:46
team mood at the end of the year
36:48
a strong one going into 20 yeah yeah
36:51
it's it's crazy
36:52
we have you know now in the team like
36:56
we find the good people the right people
36:58
every
37:00
uh staff member believe on the rider
37:04
we have good moon everyone have the same
37:07
vision so
37:09
it's pretty is very good
37:11
uh everyone have a hole in the team
37:14
yeah
37:16
so
37:17
yeah the moon is
37:19
very good and we we know where where we
37:22
start
37:23
so when you look back it's crazy
37:26
uh can we balance world champion for a
37:29
team at the beginning we just want to to
37:31
do the quality done it's
37:34
crazy and yes so
37:37
yeah we are pretty confident
37:42
yeah
37:43
i know it's not about the bike
37:46
sorry i know it's not about the bike but
37:48
how important has the common cell been
37:50
in your success you mentioned about
37:52
before about switching from the saracen
37:54
you must love the common song
37:58
yeah yeah yeah in first comments i want
38:00
to have the best bite like
38:02
it's crazy how they
38:05
they put
38:07
money and effort in in the race to to
38:10
have the best to to win world cup
38:13
you know you have max commensal on every
38:16
race
38:18
it's crazy because he know
38:21
how it's hard
38:22
to do good result in world cup you know
38:25
what is it
38:27
you know sometimes some bad thing can
38:29
happen
38:30
uh
38:32
so it's really cool because he is always
38:36
ask you if everything is good you want
38:39
to
38:40
to put his effort to
38:43
to have the best results so he
38:47
helps you
38:48
at
38:50
his maximum
38:54
and
38:55
it's not
38:56
only that there was
38:58
also last year
39:01
they did the track
39:02
just for the commentary rider in
39:04
pasquette
39:06
uh i think uh it's the only round to
39:10
that
39:12
yeah and it's not just about testing we
39:15
we do some
39:17
testing camp with the engineer of
39:20
commencement
39:22
so they help us for the seating of the
39:25
bike
39:26
but also we
39:28
we checked the body position the skills
39:31
of writing
39:35
he had some meeting with the
39:37
manager of my team to
39:40
to see what they can improve on the
39:42
managing of the team on managing of the
39:45
test com
39:47
so they put
39:49
the maximum of the
39:51
of
39:52
yeah commensals put their effort in the
39:55
maximum of for the racing
39:57
and they love that and
40:00
i'm pretty stoked to write full blown
40:02
like this
40:04
because
40:05
yeah
40:06
you know
40:07
if you do some
40:09
batteries you would say out there if you
40:11
do good good reasons they are there so
40:14
yeah you can see his passion run
40:16
throughout the whole company
40:19
you're still on the production bike is
40:20
that correct
40:22
yeah yeah not the one that common-sense
40:26
offer riding not in 2029
40:29
have you got that bike yet
40:31
i i never tried this bike okay
40:36
okay so 2021 fifth of the first racing
40:40
leo game that was your first world cup
40:42
podium how important was that first big
40:44
result at the start of the season
40:47
yeah it's crazy because it was my goal
40:50
for
40:51
you know all all the winter all the off
40:54
season
40:56
i was thinking about this i can do a
40:58
podium i can do in video i was really
41:00
believe on this and frustrated i did it
41:03
so it was pretty much okay i didn't buy
41:06
gold or what i will do now
41:09
but
41:10
yeah
41:11
i was so stoked you know for me it was a
41:13
dream to do a podium
41:15
yeah uh
41:16
it's just crazy um
41:18
you know i i just did my first top 10
41:22
the year before
41:23
so yeah for me it was it was crazy
41:27
a dream come true
41:31
nice and also he put a little bit of
41:34
pressure on my shoulder for the roon
41:37
after that
41:39
because
41:40
i always want to do better so
41:45
yeah i was just going to ask what
41:46
difference did it make to the rest of
41:48
your season then being a protected rider
41:51
did it change your your approach into
41:53
the next races
41:55
yeah for sure because
41:57
in first i was really
42:00
wanted to be in the top 10 of overall so
42:03
you need to to do some
42:05
point in the qualification so
42:08
you need to ride fast
42:10
and
42:12
yeah it's less stressful you keep some
42:15
energy mental energy for the final
42:18
because
42:19
in qualification you know you you can do
42:22
the clarification
42:23
but sometimes that thing can happen
42:26
yeah
42:27
so yeah and also you can measure
42:30
better yourself with all other top rider
42:33
because
42:34
you know you you ride at
42:36
the maximum in qualification when you
42:38
are not protected
42:41
you try to have some uh
42:44
you know
42:47
margin yeah
42:48
yeah to imagine for
42:51
if you do some mistake or something like
42:54
this to be sure to be in the final so
42:56
you can ride at your maximum and like
42:59
other top rider and for the final you
43:02
can
43:04
see the statistic of the qualification
43:07
to see what is your
43:09
best sector everything so it's easier to
43:12
improve your your restaurant for the
43:14
finale yeah
43:16
so
43:17
28th in lager
43:19
french national champion once again and
43:21
then second at european championships in
43:23
maribor before taking sixth at the world
43:26
cup at the same venue the following week
43:29
then the big one
43:30
silver medal at worlds just well under
43:33
0.3 seconds off being world champion
43:36
tell us about world championships week
43:38
did it all go smoothly for you
43:41
[Music]
43:42
it's never going
43:44
smoothly in world cup
43:48
it was a really
43:51
hard week
43:54
in workshop because i
43:56
was
43:57
working really hard on this track
44:00
with my
44:03
assistant manager paul
44:05
he checked every line or all day long so
44:12
we pretty much try everything
44:14
like and sometimes not just one
44:17
time we we try free time to know exactly
44:23
which line will be the best for me
44:25
and
44:28
sometimes he compared me to the other
44:30
rider and they said this rider is faster
44:33
on this and everything so
44:35
it was a crazy work
44:37
this week
44:39
in the sitting room i wasn't feeling
44:41
good because i tried so many things
44:44
i was i wasn't like
44:47
ready to push
44:49
but for the final shoe 100 portion i
44:52
have the best line for me everything was
44:55
perfect the bike yeah we work also on
44:57
the bike with my mechanics and it we do
45:00
we did good
45:01
good sitting for sure
45:03
yeah
45:05
and
45:06
yeah the i was pretty
45:10
[Music]
45:11
stressful it was stressful for the final
45:14
because
45:16
i was thinking on this strike from
45:19
yeah
45:20
the beginning of the off season because
45:23
i
45:23
i know i can do
45:25
something good on this track yeah
45:27
and when i
45:29
took the gondola in the valley to go for
45:33
my final one my restaurant
45:36
i saw uncle vidal was third in the
45:39
seating he didn't do a
45:41
good time in
45:43
his
45:45
waste run so i was okay for the moment
45:48
no rider didn't
45:50
uh did a really good
45:53
time so is it a bit more open than
45:57
what i
45:58
expected in the gondola i saw a
46:03
grenade crash just uh
46:06
in front of me it was crazy
46:09
so oh yeah it's staying like pretty open
46:12
like
46:12
for me it was too idol
46:16
can be something really good so
46:19
i was pretty confident for my reason and
46:21
my restaurant it was
46:25
pretty much perfect i pushing hard
46:28
[Music]
46:30
i have one goal it's at the hand keep
46:34
pushing because when you are tired
46:35
sometimes you use some
46:37
some time and i
46:40
i am pushing hard keep going i i did
46:42
some little mistake but for very sorry
46:45
absolutely
46:48
yeah i just keep keep going
46:51
uh until the bottom and yeah i did the
46:54
one i wanted so i was so stoked at the
46:57
finish here it was crazy for me to do a
47:00
run like this invite this earlier nice
47:02
so you come down and straight into the
47:04
hot seat
47:06
you was you'd seated seventh so there's
47:08
there's um six riders to go troy comes
47:11
down next but he's not point three back
47:13
so there's just five riders left at the
47:15
top
47:16
talk us through your emotions did you
47:18
dare to dream at any stage that you you
47:20
might win it
47:25
yeah i dreamed a little bit
47:27
but
47:28
when i saw uh
47:31
yeah troy he was close to me
47:34
i don't know
47:35
it was
47:36
it was a little bit strange because uh
47:40
i at the end of my run i was so stoked
47:43
about marijuana
47:44
whatever on my results he was i was so
47:47
stoked so
47:49
yeah
47:50
um
47:53
i'm not really dreaming about winning
47:56
uh when i was on the
47:58
hot seat
48:00
uh i think greg come prim
48:03
in the first
48:05
i don't know
48:06
sir right now maybe yeah i think he was
48:08
fourth was he fourth from the end
48:10
because there was yeah it was three
48:11
after him so yeah not many after
48:13
but he he was a little bit uh
48:16
late in the middle of the track and
48:20
yeah i was faster
48:23
until the last uh
48:24
split i think
48:26
and yeah he he beat me at the hand so
48:30
it is like this but
48:32
yeah after that i pretty much uh
48:36
i checked with my teammates how many
48:38
riders still on the track or at the top
48:41
to see if i can do a podium finally in
48:44
second it was crazy
48:46
for me
48:52
well after such a big result how did you
48:54
refocus because
48:56
you finished the season with the 14th in
48:58
lenza hyde and then 11th and 9th in
49:00
snowshoe how did you
49:03
get your mental strength mental mentally
49:06
how did you get back to it
49:09
[Music]
49:11
it was hard because
49:13
i think after valdisol i put so much
49:18
mental focus in the race i was a little
49:20
bit like tired
49:23
more in my mind i think
49:26
and
49:29
i always struggle a little bit in men's
49:31
ride
49:33
so
49:34
the result wasn't what
49:37
i expect at this moment and
49:41
it was a little bit hard because when
49:43
you do a really good result and after
49:46
bad results you feel you lose like your
49:48
magic power or something you know so
49:50
it's a little bit strange
49:53
so
49:54
[Music]
49:55
afternoon's right i tried to
49:58
refocus in
50:00
the last two ways
50:02
but i think i was a little bit tired
50:04
there it was a big season
50:07
and
50:08
also after the world champ i was uh
50:11
[Music]
50:14
really stopped
50:16
but
50:17
a few weeks after i was little bit
50:20
frustrated about to be second maybe and
50:23
it was i was like second at the european
50:26
world championship six
50:29
i missed the podium in maribor and
50:31
second again i was a bit like
50:34
it was like you know everyone trained to
50:37
be first not to be a second or
50:40
you try you train to be in the podium
50:43
not to be six like it's a little bit
50:45
i miss maybe something but
50:48
it's like this
50:51
cool
50:54
so you finished eighth in the overall
50:56
after two amazing seasons do you now
50:58
feel like you're part of the top ten
51:02
yeah yeah i seem to be part of the top
51:04
ten but you know in the spot everything
51:06
can
51:07
can change in the bad way like in the
51:10
good way yeah so we saw some
51:13
good rider like danielle this year i
51:15
don't know if he
51:17
did the podium
51:19
i'm not sure like it's crazy because
51:21
like here i win some world cup you know
51:24
yeah the level in world cup now is so
51:26
high everything uh
51:28
comes and
51:30
yeah you you can be close to do good
51:34
results and don't
51:36
don't
51:37
did it so it's yeah sometimes
51:40
it's hot so yeah dc i was in the top 10
51:43
but next year we never know so yeah
51:47
i need i need i need to try hard this
51:50
winter
51:51
but i'm pretty
51:52
i have big motivation for that so it's
51:55
not
51:56
yeah we will see
51:58
cool
51:58
i believe i can do
52:00
the same
52:01
yeah i believe it as well but as you
52:03
said you just got to work hard and uh
52:06
yeah try your luck so
52:10
yeah for sure so if my memory serves me
52:12
correctly
52:13
at the start of 2021 you signed with
52:15
dorval for another two years
52:19
but we've heard all kinds of rumors at
52:21
the end of the season that maybe you're
52:23
moving on um can you update us on your
52:26
team situation will you be with torval
52:29
next year
52:30
yeah i saw a lot of rumor
52:33
[Music]
52:36
yeah we i will stay in
52:38
indonesia
52:40
so for sure
52:42
we have some chat with other team but uh
52:48
he's not like so i i saw in internet uh
52:52
some team will bury me or something like
52:54
that is this
52:56
the the transfer not uh watching like
52:58
this it's not like team manager
53:01
fight with sweet chase or something like
53:03
this you know
53:06
yeah
53:07
some team come to me and have a little
53:11
chat
53:11
what we you will do next year if you
53:14
free maybe we have a discussion is more
53:17
like this and yeah
53:19
something but
53:20
i didn't know knowing the team we are
53:22
pretty good we have a good moon in the
53:24
team
53:25
uh
53:27
just have believed on the right there we
53:29
have the best bike
53:32
i know i can do good results
53:36
so
53:37
why why why i will change the only thing
53:41
we didn't have in the team is a
53:46
old rider
53:48
with a lot of experience at the top we
53:50
didn't have this
53:52
but other thing we have everything so
53:56
no no reason to change yet
53:59
i knew we were going to ask that
54:01
question and when we i asked you about
54:03
the new common sound supreme and you
54:05
said no i haven't got my hands on that
54:07
bike yet i thought oh maybe he is moving
54:10
to another team none of us have and
54:11
that's because of kovids
54:14
we're told we'll all be using it at some
54:16
point next year um but again i think
54:19
yeah
54:20
for the commencement is
54:22
pretty
54:23
yeah it's complicated because there are
54:25
many teams
54:26
yeah they can
54:28
give to everyone a prototype
54:31
a prototype is really expensive
54:34
they need to follow
54:35
i think
54:37
your prototype you have
54:41
more problem
54:42
when you are not the factory team for
54:44
sure
54:46
so and for us it's easier to ride the
54:50
production bike
54:52
and also
54:56
we didn't have to do the testing for the
54:59
prototype so we
55:02
we save some time and
55:04
when you we come to the
55:07
the next uh when we will come to the
55:10
next bike
55:12
uh
55:13
mikko
55:14
had one year on the bike and there's
55:17
some experiment to share with you and
55:19
you you save time again to
55:22
do the setting of the bike and
55:24
everything
55:25
so for us it's uh just uh yes
55:29
we will stay in this situation here for
55:31
sure
55:32
so before before we go i have one last
55:35
question and i remember watching a world
55:37
cup i think it might have been fort
55:39
william 2015 or 2016.
55:42
and
55:43
i saw a rider and they were on a a belt
55:45
drive nikolai with a gearbox and the
55:48
belt snapped right out of the ba the
55:50
gear and that basically destroyed any
55:52
chance of that technology ever being
55:54
used at world cup level again was that
55:56
you on that rider did you end were you
55:58
that rider it was me
56:00
i think i had like
56:02
four year or three and uh
56:05
if you get gearbox yeah it was so so
56:08
good like you can ride with with
56:11
noise and
56:13
you can change the speed when you walk
56:15
yeah
56:17
and yeah this time i broke the
56:20
it's not the belt it was the gearbox
56:22
inside but
56:24
we think it was a production problem
56:28
then
56:29
sometimes happen
56:31
yeah i think it's the treadmill
56:34
i don't know in english
56:36
like the opinion
56:38
inside yeah it was not
56:40
you need to
56:42
to put in the hot water and the this uh
56:47
it was is it didn't do good
56:50
i think we eat what we think and yeah i
56:52
broke the
56:53
big gear box but for sure in the future
56:55
we'll see more
56:57
of this
56:59
yeah i was loving it when i was writing
57:02
this
57:03
cool jack you were on nikolai around
57:05
that time you experimented with lots of
57:08
stuff with chris porter did you try the
57:09
gearbox at all
57:11
i tried it once um
57:13
chris was pretty keen for me to try it
57:15
but
57:16
for me the shifting
57:18
system wasn't good enough um
57:20
so we kind of achieved what the gearbox
57:23
gives you with the weight
57:24
yeah stability we achieved that through
57:26
the lead testing that we did so
57:30
you know
57:33
mate i can't remember i think that was
57:35
2016.
57:36
my mind doesn't go back that far i can't
57:38
remember which one it was um
57:40
but yeah i think ben was right we will
57:42
at some point for sure see down bikes
57:45
with gearboxes in
57:46
um because the weight
57:48
nice and low down makes the bike more
57:50
stable yeah
57:52
the weight when you ride it wasn't uh
57:55
a big problem because it's uh
57:58
close to the
57:59
the bottom you know close to the end of
58:01
it exactly
58:02
you don't you don't feel it
58:04
and my nikolai bike was like
58:09
18 and a half kilos so it was not too
58:12
bad
58:14
it's not the lightest bike it's like a
58:16
big tube
58:18
so
58:19
yeah yeah but you need to to build the
58:21
bike on this for sure yeah
58:24
cool well thank you ever so much benoit
58:26
for making the time to come on the
58:27
podcast as i said at the start it's a
58:29
it's a pretty inspiring story and i
58:31
really hope you can carry it on on into
58:34
2022 and beyond so around this time last
58:37
year we had the chance to record with
58:38
tracy hannah she just announced her
58:40
retirement so everyone was wanting a
58:42
piece of her and she was holed up in a
58:44
hotel in australia
58:45
isolating after returning from europe so
58:47
she had lots of time on her hands having
58:49
learned that she was using the time to
58:51
record a number of podcasts we decided
58:53
to try and do something a little bit
58:54
different
58:55
it was based on a tv program called
58:57
inside the actors studio where the host
58:59
would always end with a questionnaire
59:00
and we thought it would be a fun
59:01
distraction from the from the same old
59:03
same old so having done that for one
59:05
retiring rider this year we decided we'd
59:08
do it again emily siegenthaler is a
59:10
six-time swiss national champion it's
59:12
just 16 world cup podiums to a name and
59:14
we'll be chatting with her after these
59:16
messages emily siegenthaler welcome back
59:19
to the podcast tell us a little bit
59:20
about where in the world you are right
59:22
now
59:24
so i'm at home
59:26
in switzerland um
59:29
cam and i just moved house right after
59:31
the season so
59:33
we moved not far just maybe um on the
59:36
hill up above from beale yeah where we
59:38
lived before and yeah we've been
59:42
like 99 of the time above the fog
59:45
so we're really happy about that
59:48
and where have you been this is to be
59:49
straight in it
59:51
where have you been this last week
59:52
because um you've been on your travels
59:54
aren't you
59:55
yeah i've
59:56
i've just
59:58
came home from a one week trip to the us
1:00:02
which was
1:00:04
a little bit last minute but i guess um
1:00:07
what was it really willing to
1:00:09
yeah do something because i retired and
1:00:12
and i was
1:00:13
i had a great time being at the
1:00:14
headquarters riding and also riding each
1:00:17
other for the roam festival
1:00:19
so it was it was great times
1:00:21
cool so 14 years racing world cups how
1:00:24
did you know it was time to retire and
1:00:26
and when did you make the decision
1:00:29
um
1:00:30
so i think
1:00:32
there was a bit of time between
1:00:35
the time i know it was like the time to
1:00:36
retire and the time i decided
1:00:39
because
1:00:40
obviously you kind of know after like
1:00:43
after
1:00:44
covered year 2020
1:00:46
and then at the beginning of 2021 i felt
1:00:49
like
1:00:50
um
1:00:51
like my speed was there but
1:00:53
at the races i struggled with
1:00:56
i don't know like commitment and
1:00:59
some other things like the stress and
1:01:02
everything i had a hard time dealing
1:01:03
with it i guess
1:01:05
one year doing nothing you just
1:01:07
kind of like
1:01:09
lose it i guess
1:01:10
yeah and then
1:01:12
i did quite well in leo again but then
1:01:15
obviously i had some crashes my race
1:01:17
runs and stuff and then
1:01:18
when i was in maribor i was really like
1:01:20
trying to
1:01:22
just kind turn it around and i know
1:01:24
marijuana doesn't really suit me usually
1:01:26
so just i'm gonna go to european champs
1:01:28
and do well there so i can
1:01:30
prepare for a rope up and i was just
1:01:32
like had a great feeling on my bike but
1:01:34
then i was just like kind of far back
1:01:36
and i was like oh god like there's so
1:01:39
much pressure on me and i felt like
1:01:42
this is type of of tracks where not like
1:01:45
legend again where it's technically
1:01:47
kind of hard so you you can
1:01:50
do like a 90 run and still like get a
1:01:52
good result like marble you know i need
1:01:54
to go 110 otherwise you're just
1:01:57
just gonna get like smashed so yeah it
1:02:00
was in between the european champs and
1:02:01
maribor
1:02:03
woke up then that decided to retire
1:02:06
i had a little breakdown and now
1:02:09
and when
1:02:10
yeah like i mean i was on my own and i
1:02:11
was just like oh my god what i'm gonna
1:02:13
do because
1:02:14
it was so hard to like decide but as
1:02:16
soon as i made my decision and i started
1:02:18
to talk to people i felt actually so
1:02:20
relieved and
1:02:21
i guess also after that after that
1:02:23
weekend my
1:02:25
my feeling improved at the races as well
1:02:28
cool
1:02:29
well all the girls got together with you
1:02:32
for a farewell lunch what was that in
1:02:34
lenses hide
1:02:35
was that the last one
1:02:37
yet i i don't i don't recall that ever
1:02:40
happening before and i think that's a
1:02:42
sign of kind of how loved you are on the
1:02:44
circuit did it mean a lot to you
1:02:47
um
1:02:48
yeah i think it was the first time
1:02:50
but
1:02:51
i think
1:02:53
so i i i actually um
1:02:56
organized it i
1:02:58
wrote to everyone and i said i really
1:03:00
want to do something and i thought it
1:03:02
would be better to do it in lanza hide
1:03:04
it because
1:03:05
then i have like i know the people there
1:03:07
and i have the connections to make it
1:03:09
happen
1:03:10
yeah and
1:03:12
everybody came
1:03:14
like almost everybody came and and then
1:03:16
they also like prepared something to
1:03:18
give to me
1:03:19
um after the race on the podium
1:03:21
everybody signed their numbers yeah i
1:03:23
saw that i was cool
1:03:25
yeah
1:03:26
it's here at home in the garage
1:03:28
yeah so i think that meant even more but
1:03:31
just i wanted to do something for for
1:03:34
like for them for the older ladies i
1:03:36
shared all these years with some of them
1:03:38
are younger some of them are older but
1:03:39
then the younger can also see that
1:03:42
it doesn't mean they need to like
1:03:44
compete every time with each other and
1:03:47
we can just like
1:03:49
try to make our sports grow as well yeah
1:03:52
yeah now he was it was really amazing
1:03:54
excellent right well let's get into it
1:03:56
jack do you want to do the honors
1:03:58
yeah i'll kick things off and uh first
1:04:00
question's a good one
1:04:02
favourite world cup track emily
1:04:05
so
1:04:06
is it is it on the circuit right now our
1:04:08
favorite ever
1:04:10
our favorite ever i think forever for
1:04:11
sure
1:04:14
champagne
1:04:15
nice yeah good choice
1:04:18
why is that what what is it that you
1:04:19
liked about champari
1:04:21
um
1:04:23
well it's home track
1:04:25
um
1:04:26
i think it was the steepness of it was
1:04:28
kind of like unseen before
1:04:30
yeah and
1:04:33
it has everything like the jumps like
1:04:36
even that jump sections at the end
1:04:38
towards like the last uh version of it
1:04:41
was just like it's a shame that you
1:04:43
can't do that anymore because it's on
1:04:44
some farmer's land but
1:04:46
um yeah it was amazing had such a great
1:04:50
feeling coming to the finish and even
1:04:52
how knackered you were from that pretty
1:04:54
long and technical track he was still
1:04:56
like sending it and it was amazing
1:04:59
yeah for sure it was definitely one that
1:05:00
i really enjoyed
1:05:02
okay and then least favorite world cup
1:05:04
track again
1:05:06
just
1:05:06
ever
1:05:08
everything when you have to pedal a lot
1:05:10
probably probably epitomized but
1:05:13
i mean
1:05:14
these tracks are really kind of fun in
1:05:16
practice because you can chill but then
1:05:18
in the race it's like the most horrible
1:05:19
thing ever
1:05:21
yeah because
1:05:22
it's kind of flat-ish there's some cool
1:05:24
jumps but then
1:05:26
if you lose the speed you just like lose
1:05:28
so much time because it's such a long
1:05:31
pedally bit in the middle it's like
1:05:32
almost like one minute of like pedals so
1:05:34
if you mess it up a little bit
1:05:36
you're just gonna there's no like margin
1:05:39
for around little bits and i don't
1:05:41
really like that
1:05:42
okay i remember didn't somebody was he
1:05:45
pete didn't he run a dropper post
1:05:48
somebody remember a lot
1:05:50
there's also um
1:05:51
some people with singing crowns there's
1:05:53
like all type of stuff
1:05:55
like this and canberra as well like yeah
1:05:58
nine worlds that was like
1:06:00
same kind of track people would write it
1:06:02
without knee pads i mean i remember that
1:06:04
like that was that was horrible yeah
1:06:09
right question number three then
1:06:10
greatest rival
1:06:15
i don't have any
1:06:17
um
1:06:19
i mean if you thought if you think about
1:06:22
like
1:06:23
uh halftime finding someone that was
1:06:25
over all like all the time fighting with
1:06:28
but obviously like
1:06:30
the greatest rival in general will be
1:06:31
rachel accident for me because she's
1:06:33
just like
1:06:34
the most competitive and fierce
1:06:37
like racer that we had on the field yeah
1:06:40
and
1:06:41
yeah so i think
1:06:43
maybe
1:06:44
other than that may be my stuff because
1:06:46
sometimes i made my life really hard on
1:06:48
just by crashing and happy injuries so
1:06:52
yeah but otherwise write your lesson for
1:06:54
sure so rachel's been out for
1:06:57
how long now probably
1:06:58
two or three seasons since you rest do
1:07:00
you reckon 2019 yeah yeah do you think
1:07:03
15 think she could still come back and
1:07:05
win
1:07:08
i mean there's a lot of commitment but
1:07:11
if she puts everything onto it she could
1:07:14
definitely do it because she has the
1:07:15
talent and she has the
1:07:18
like
1:07:19
all the skills and the physical skills
1:07:22
as well but then
1:07:24
it only depends of
1:07:26
yeah of your commitment if you want to
1:07:29
see it again yeah so that's a big
1:07:31
question but if she can do that there's
1:07:33
no question she can come back and win it
1:07:35
will be harder than before
1:07:37
she could still do it yeah
1:07:40
so
1:07:40
question number four who's your best
1:07:42
mate on the circuit and it can't be
1:07:44
coming out
1:07:45
that'd be too easy
1:07:48
yeah that would be very easy um
1:07:51
well even though she stopped drinking
1:07:53
she's still on a circuit because she's
1:07:54
helping when she'll definitely be tracy
1:07:56
hannah
1:07:57
i think she said you
1:07:58
in her interview i think she said you
1:08:01
yeah we're besties
1:08:04
it wasn't always like that but i guess
1:08:09
tracy is like someone that has a lot of
1:08:11
barriers and if you get like through
1:08:13
them she's someone that you can really
1:08:14
trust so i really appreciate that
1:08:18
so question number five what would you
1:08:20
say your biggest strength has been in
1:08:23
your career
1:08:25
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1:08:28
i think it's like well my career is long
1:08:30
so
1:08:31
it's fine it's hard to find
1:08:33
one strength on the whole thing because
1:08:35
i guess when i came in my biggest
1:08:38
strengths was like courage i was not
1:08:40
afraid to hit stuff
1:08:42
and then also that became kind of my
1:08:45
biggest weakness because i got injured
1:08:47
so much so i guess over all in all
1:08:50
looking back probably like
1:08:53
my patience
1:08:55
and my experience which kind of goes
1:08:58
together
1:08:59
but that grew over time but i guess
1:09:00
looking back i would say my experience
1:09:03
nice
1:09:04
and what would be your greatest
1:09:07
achievement would you say
1:09:12
um well i had a like kind of a few um
1:09:16
top three like third places um
1:09:21
especially one in enzo hyde i think it
1:09:23
was like 2017
1:09:26
where i was like quite close to
1:09:28
um
1:09:30
the win maybe like less than two
1:09:32
seconds but i would say probably like
1:09:35
2019 my third and lander had with cam
1:09:37
was on the podium as well but that was
1:09:39
made like more special because we're
1:09:41
both on there yeah so i guess that and
1:09:45
then the hardest always like makes it so
1:09:47
much better when people don't
1:09:49
when you're home for sure
1:09:51
what about those swiss national titles
1:09:56
well
1:09:58
i mean
1:10:00
for sure the first one was like
1:10:02
really special but then
1:10:04
um before carina capillary who also was
1:10:07
like a top 15 top 10 racer came there's
1:10:11
like not that much competition
1:10:14
um so obviously
1:10:17
it's great to have like seven titles or
1:10:19
whatever but i don't think um that had
1:10:21
the same value for me because it's so
1:10:24
much harder to get a walker podium yeah
1:10:28
sure
1:10:28
oh next question
1:10:30
any regrets
1:10:33
um
1:10:37
well obviously i prefer not to be
1:10:38
injured and stuff but it's not really a
1:10:40
regret
1:10:41
it's just like how the how the sports is
1:10:44
uh i guess maybe
1:10:46
um that i didn't split from
1:10:48
cross-country to downhill earlier that's
1:10:49
a bit of regret to me
1:10:51
because
1:10:53
i think the sports really
1:10:55
fits my personality better and i would
1:10:57
have loved to do like the junior years
1:11:00
as
1:11:01
as a daniel racer
1:11:03
so what made what prompted the switch
1:11:08
that's a bit of a long story but try to
1:11:09
make it sure um
1:11:12
at the time
1:11:13
when you were 19 you're coming out from
1:11:15
the juniors and just straight to the
1:11:17
elite there was no club under 23
1:11:20
races or whatever so you like had the
1:11:22
double the time of racing so obviously
1:11:25
when that happened i
1:11:26
had to train a bit more and i trained
1:11:28
maybe too much and i was like in
1:11:30
overtraining
1:11:31
yeah and
1:11:33
from that i'm kind of reactivated the
1:11:37
epstein-barr
1:11:39
virus which is like the mono
1:11:41
yeah that i had like for four or five
1:11:44
years back and that came
1:11:46
for i don't know what reason my immune
1:11:48
system just broke down
1:11:49
and so all these symptoms came back and
1:11:52
i think that had a big impact on my body
1:11:54
and
1:11:56
i tried one two years to like get back
1:11:59
into training and but i ki i kept like
1:12:02
getting sick and it was just like
1:12:03
horrible so
1:12:05
i
1:12:06
gave up
1:12:07
everything that had to do with endurance
1:12:08
and a lot of like training in hours and
1:12:10
just tried to ride my back for fun
1:12:13
ended up doing the daniel race and i
1:12:15
really liked it but then
1:12:16
i started like that
1:12:18
cool
1:12:20
and what's your favorite memory is it
1:12:22
that podium with carrie
1:12:26
i think it's her world title
1:12:28
yeah
1:12:29
yeah i think so
1:12:31
because i was like
1:12:33
it can be a bit of both i think a world
1:12:35
tattoo was like a house i had such a
1:12:37
horrible time that weekend like
1:12:40
getting
1:12:41
my knee that was like fixed
1:12:43
broken again a third time in hcl i was
1:12:46
just like oh my god when is it gonna end
1:12:49
and we both didn't really expect a lot
1:12:51
from that race she was just like okay
1:12:53
can just get this over with
1:12:57
literally before we start and then
1:13:00
she just stayed the day and for us for
1:13:02
like our country like this
1:13:04
i mean
1:13:05
the status of downhill and switzerland
1:13:07
he made some such a big difference i
1:13:08
think it was probably my favorite memory
1:13:11
that was really cool nice yeah
1:13:15
so
1:13:16
your your best run of your career
1:13:18
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1:13:20
which room are you most proud of or
1:13:22
most happy with um
1:13:25
i think it would be probably
1:13:29
at what champs in montana 2019 i got
1:13:31
fifth but
1:13:33
it was that year where everybody got
1:13:35
injured and then four worlds everybody
1:13:36
came back yeah
1:13:38
and two riders that wasn't they weren't
1:13:40
there the whole season tony and miriam
1:13:44
got first and second but i got fifth and
1:13:46
i was only five second backs on the
1:13:48
title and montana is a pretty hard track
1:13:51
so sure um i think that's where i like
1:13:54
because my season was hard i had like a
1:13:56
shoulder injury
1:13:58
and
1:13:59
i had to overcome a lot of stuff
1:14:01
especially on that track
1:14:03
and i think i was really proud of my run
1:14:06
back then and even like
1:14:07
maybe i'm told yeah you did a really
1:14:09
great run and look really good so i
1:14:11
think
1:14:12
even though it wasn't my best result
1:14:13
with the fifth i think
1:14:15
um it probably was one of my best
1:14:17
friends
1:14:18
nice that's cool
1:14:21
so what's the best run you think you've
1:14:22
ever seen
1:14:25
well we talked we talked about i think
1:14:27
that's pretty clear to me we talked
1:14:28
about champion
1:14:30
i think
1:14:31
when i witnessed uh well chance trump
1:14:34
and danny hart coming down i was like
1:14:36
one thing i've probably never seen well
1:14:38
obviously again
1:14:39
like
1:14:40
the way
1:14:41
he wrote and like how hard it was
1:14:45
and he made it look so easy and i was
1:14:47
like really impressive
1:14:49
um
1:14:51
i was also really impressed by racial
1:14:52
attitudes when in entire day i think
1:14:54
what words um she smashed the field and
1:14:59
only the line that she did in the rock
1:15:01
garden
1:15:02
like the dub even the like half of the
1:15:04
men were not doing it like straight down
1:15:06
with a lot of very loud speed and it's
1:15:08
pretty risky line so i was just like wow
1:15:10
this is amazing
1:15:12
yeah so i guess yeah
1:15:15
the danny hart runs just still like
1:15:17
every kind of six months or something it
1:15:19
will come up on facebook and it's still
1:15:21
something there's very few things i've
1:15:23
would watch like so many times and you
1:15:26
watch it and it still gives me
1:15:27
goosebumps now it's just
1:15:30
it is like the probably the defining
1:15:33
video of downhill for me yeah for sure
1:15:36
yeah
1:15:37
and you were dead when you're there like
1:15:39
i remember i was in the finishing area
1:15:42
and it was pouring down and we could
1:15:43
barely see the screen because it was
1:15:45
pouring so much but everybody was
1:15:46
shouting and looking at the times we
1:15:49
were like is that even true like is it
1:15:50
that timing were working
1:15:52
and then you did this whip and the end
1:15:54
and everybody
1:15:55
was just like
1:15:56
what the hell just happened and i was
1:15:58
really like really
1:16:01
yeah it was crazy
1:16:04
um right next one's not so positive
1:16:06
biggest crash
1:16:10
oh had a lot of questions
1:16:12
but actually probably probably
1:16:14
statistically i probably have a really
1:16:17
bad statistic in crashes and injuries
1:16:20
because
1:16:21
um i was talking about my
1:16:23
like one of the young kids was like
1:16:25
nothing so young and he was 25 but he's
1:16:27
still like
1:16:28
um try to get into like walker bracing
1:16:31
and stuff and he was like well you never
1:16:32
crashed and i was like no you crash a
1:16:34
lot but i like as soon as
1:16:37
i stop crashing so much with the years
1:16:39
but
1:16:40
when i do then
1:16:42
a lot of things happen um
1:16:44
i would say probably the one in maribor
1:16:46
in 2019 where i did my ac drone in my
1:16:49
shoulder
1:16:50
um
1:16:52
it was at the axis cup
1:16:54
and we were going kind of around the big
1:16:56
rock garden but still kind of in it so
1:16:58
obviously had a lot of speed
1:16:59
because it was a kind of straighter
1:17:02
and it was a little a kind of little
1:17:04
rock pile that you could like double
1:17:07
before exiting
1:17:09
and i was always doing that i think
1:17:10
wasn't one of the only girls that
1:17:13
was doing it but then
1:17:15
one of the time i did it i just like
1:17:17
slightly touched my front wheel on it
1:17:20
so it made me go with the bars and then
1:17:22
i crashed like over the bars full speed
1:17:25
down that like shoot where you exit the
1:17:27
world garden so it was horrible
1:17:31
and i was like really
1:17:33
lucky that i didn't like hurt my head or
1:17:35
whatever yeah so that's probably one of
1:17:38
the hardest one for sure and worst
1:17:40
injury
1:17:41
or hardest injury to get over which
1:17:44
might be
1:17:45
acl underneath that's like the hardest
1:17:47
thing and probably like my second one
1:17:49
because my first one after in whistler
1:17:53
um
1:17:54
i don't know i didn't really know what
1:17:56
was going on so i was just like oh
1:17:58
and then obviously then after five
1:18:00
months i could ride again but the second
1:18:03
one you just know
1:18:05
how long it is
1:18:07
and i don't know my my right knee was
1:18:09
just harder it's still like bothering me
1:18:11
right now it's still not like 100
1:18:14
percent or like you never be understand
1:18:15
but it's still like not very
1:18:17
good i can't really bend my knee
1:18:19
properly so
1:18:20
that's really annoying
1:18:22
then try to get better but i guess time
1:18:24
will tell if i can kneel one day again
1:18:32
so what's the biggest feature you
1:18:34
remember from a track that's like
1:18:36
really kind of psyched you out
1:18:40
did you hit the big uh red bull gap at
1:18:42
leo gang at world champs yeah
1:18:44
yeah i did nice before i
1:18:47
crashed and or like i i did my even
1:18:50
crash actually when i did my knee at
1:18:52
worlds but yeah i did it but i was like
1:18:54
in the way it was really scary oh yeah
1:18:57
because you will like come and use your
1:19:00
speed and you have to like pedal on it
1:19:02
and hop so that was like pretty
1:19:05
yeah it was pretty scary but once you do
1:19:07
it you're like okay well
1:19:09
it's kind of okay i guess
1:19:12
um that triple and snowshoe at the end
1:19:14
where there's like lots of girls crashed
1:19:16
this year
1:19:17
um i didn't practice in qualifying but i
1:19:20
didn't do it on my lap my very last run
1:19:23
because i was like oh god
1:19:26
then
1:19:26
yeah the line into it
1:19:29
was like kind of a little rut
1:19:31
formed and
1:19:33
like it was kind of slippery so that's
1:19:34
what happened to just blew it she's
1:19:36
coming and then a little bit too fast
1:19:38
slid and couldn't like hop for it
1:19:41
so
1:19:42
it seemed easy but then if you got it
1:19:44
wrong it would be so devastating like
1:19:46
what would happen to you so
1:19:48
i did it like a couple of times in
1:19:50
practice and i did it in my restaurants
1:19:53
as well for the first race and also
1:19:55
qualifying but then i was just like no
1:19:56
like for my last run i won't do it
1:19:58
because
1:19:59
if i crash my brain that on my very last
1:20:01
walk up right now i would not be very
1:20:04
ideal
1:20:05
yeah that this not very
1:20:07
big but like i think it was not really
1:20:10
made for that so i guess people started
1:20:12
tripling it and they won't be like okay
1:20:14
well
1:20:15
it's just
1:20:16
scary do you think i remember the fir
1:20:19
2019 with for the first year in snowshoe
1:20:21
i think marine was the only woman who
1:20:24
was doing it is that right and then do
1:20:26
you think that's kind of like a sign of
1:20:28
how far the
1:20:29
women's racing has come very quickly
1:20:32
that this year there were
1:20:34
a lot more yeah or was it easier this
1:20:36
year than um
1:20:38
well in 2019 i was there the whole time
1:20:41
i
1:20:42
i was there for 20 minutes
1:20:44
seeing if i could actually do it yeah
1:20:46
and i think it was kind of the same
1:20:49
like the boys said it was the same yeah
1:20:52
but i guess it's worse this year because
1:20:54
like you said the corner before it
1:20:56
started chewing up
1:20:57
so you kind of slid as you hit the
1:21:00
corner whereas exactly i don't remember
1:21:01
it being like that in 2019 you just
1:21:04
turned and jumped because i've been less
1:21:06
people were doing it but i yeah i think
1:21:08
i was there for 20 minutes 2019 and i
1:21:10
was just like how am i going to do this
1:21:12
and i didn't do it at the end not once
1:21:14
and then there
1:21:15
um
1:21:16
we're just following some people and i
1:21:19
ended up doing it like
1:21:20
a bunch of times so i think it shows and
1:21:23
like a lot of people did it in the race
1:21:25
runs as well so it shows how far then
1:21:28
the woman's feelings become
1:21:29
for sure what she what's your process
1:21:32
emmy
1:21:33
if you come up to something like that
1:21:35
forgetting over features
1:21:36
what what's what do you think is the
1:21:38
best way to
1:21:39
deal with
1:21:40
it um
1:21:43
well
1:21:44
i guess
1:21:45
you kind of need to look some people
1:21:47
ride it well and then when you feel like
1:21:49
there's some people running especially
1:21:51
if there's a girl doing it then you have
1:21:53
like that faith okay i can do it as well
1:21:55
because my my speed is going to be the
1:21:57
same
1:21:58
you can discuss it i like to discuss it
1:22:00
with other people that did it and then
1:22:02
especially not bernard because he's
1:22:04
going to tell me how easy it is and it's
1:22:06
not going to be easy at all for me so
1:22:08
some people that have actually like kind
1:22:09
of idea
1:22:11
um
1:22:12
that is still a hard feature and the
1:22:14
timing
1:22:15
must be must be good and then just
1:22:18
follow someone in that i trust and that
1:22:20
time was kami so i just she followed her
1:22:22
teammate in and the
1:22:24
run after i followed her in
1:22:27
and if you don't feel it don't pull
1:22:29
straight just look at the speed and
1:22:31
then maybe when you feel like it's the
1:22:33
right time just try it
1:22:35
cool yeah good advice
1:22:38
okay so favorite ever bike
1:22:43
do you have a bike that stands out in
1:22:45
your memory that obviously um
1:22:48
well obviously the world's bike that we
1:22:50
get done i always like something so cool
1:22:53
yeah and my last one especially
1:22:56
so
1:22:57
it was like a pivot phoenix 29er
1:23:01
um with
1:23:03
that red
1:23:04
and then kind of orange crimson color
1:23:07
that was like for i still have it i
1:23:09
don't think i'm gonna get another bike
1:23:11
this year because i want to keep this
1:23:12
one as people i was like oh can i run a
1:23:15
custom color this year though like yeah
1:23:16
yeah i don't care because i don't want
1:23:18
to go back to like a gray one or
1:23:20
something that's so cool
1:23:22
obviously with like all the details and
1:23:24
like there is um on the top tube like
1:23:28
a little
1:23:29
like not like a little thing with like
1:23:31
written rally soul and my first world
1:23:33
champs in the last four champs
1:23:36
and
1:23:36
yeah i think it's just beautiful on your
1:23:38
brides very well and it's about actually
1:23:40
is a lot of fun also in bike park so if
1:23:43
i'm not gonna race a lot of races
1:23:46
i might do a couple but if i just
1:23:49
do for fun i can ride a bike also in the
1:23:51
background and have lots of fun nice
1:23:53
what's your
1:23:55
favorite thing about racing
1:23:59
um
1:24:01
well i guess it's um
1:24:04
getting
1:24:05
that and it's like a low um i don't know
1:24:07
it's like a little circus everybody like
1:24:09
comes from all these different
1:24:12
parts of the world and get together and
1:24:13
then
1:24:14
we all do our thing for a week and
1:24:17
enjoy each other's company and
1:24:19
like race and give all and then party
1:24:22
and then
1:24:23
go back to wherever we come from so
1:24:25
that's like a little bit of a crazy
1:24:28
concept but when you don't do it anymore
1:24:31
it's kind of um
1:24:33
yeah it's it's kind of hard and i hope i
1:24:35
can still go to the racing and but it's
1:24:37
not the same when you're not making it
1:24:38
you're part of it but not in the same
1:24:40
way
1:24:41
but seeing everyone and travel with the
1:24:43
team and get to know the people
1:24:46
that love biking
1:24:48
yeah it's
1:24:49
just the best
1:24:51
cool what's your least favorite thing
1:24:53
about racing
1:24:58
stress like oh it's so annoying when you
1:25:01
when you just like it's a stress build
1:25:02
up and it gets worse and worse and worse
1:25:04
until your race run
1:25:06
and
1:25:08
that period of time
1:25:10
after your warm-up until you
1:25:13
cross that the gate you go off the gate
1:25:16
that's like my worst
1:25:18
feeling ever you don't have to have
1:25:20
breakfast at six a.m in the morning
1:25:23
when all you want to do is sleep
1:25:26
yeah that's
1:25:28
that's for sure money is very reasonable
1:25:31
do you think that um
1:25:33
part of the reason crossing the line
1:25:34
feels so good is because that stress is
1:25:36
gone
1:25:37
oh yeah for sure
1:25:40
and even it's like even crossing like
1:25:42
even like going through the beam at the
1:25:44
top it's just like
1:25:46
then or it's like a relief then you just
1:25:49
need to execute what you planned
1:25:51
and ride your bike
1:25:53
if you get it or not the way you want it
1:25:56
i mean you still your stress is still
1:25:58
gone so yeah that's the best moment
1:26:03
okay next one
1:26:05
what's the thing you'll miss most about
1:26:07
not racing more corpses and not racing
1:26:09
anymore
1:26:12
a bit like like you said like
1:26:15
be at the finish area and share
1:26:17
like the buzz that you had on your run
1:26:19
with your friends that also raised and
1:26:21
you know like when you go oh and i
1:26:23
forgot about this mirror and actually i
1:26:25
almost crashed there and all these
1:26:27
little things that you share with each
1:26:28
other people that don't like no racing
1:26:32
and see that they must think me
1:26:34
completely that's like
1:26:36
the way we talk after a run is like
1:26:39
it's a little bit insane people are
1:26:42
completely crazy but
1:26:44
it's just like
1:26:45
yeah the relief that you feel when you
1:26:47
like can execute a run that you want it
1:26:49
that's like a feeling that
1:26:51
is really important then for an athlete
1:26:54
but also sharing
1:26:56
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1:26:59
oh
1:27:00
is that really
1:27:03
might have lost dummy yeah
1:27:05
yeah are you there
1:27:07
sorry i've lost you a little bit though
1:27:09
yeah yeah i think we're back now let's
1:27:10
go
1:27:11
but uh i was just gonna say
1:27:13
like
1:27:14
some some riders come down and
1:27:17
they
1:27:18
come into the finish area and then they
1:27:20
disappear
1:27:21
you are from what i see on tv you are
1:27:24
always there in the finish area cheering
1:27:26
people on clapping etc
1:27:29
is that a conscious thing
1:27:31
do you do you consciously stay there or
1:27:33
do you just love it or
1:27:35
have there been times when you've
1:27:36
disappeared
1:27:38
no i never i don't think i ever
1:27:40
disappeared maybe at the beginning when
1:27:42
i started i was like
1:27:44
maybe came in a little bit with my
1:27:46
cross-country background like a bit too
1:27:48
competitive and
1:27:50
then i couldn't really have it when some
1:27:52
some people were beating me that i don't
1:27:54
think must have beat me or something
1:27:57
but
1:27:58
i had to learn quickly that's not the
1:28:00
way it works in downhill because if you
1:28:02
get so hard
1:28:05
it's obvious it's just never gonna get
1:28:07
better
1:28:07
so
1:28:09
and thanks to also my teammate
1:28:11
especially at pivot that was just like
1:28:13
had
1:28:14
such a different
1:28:15
like perspective about racing
1:28:18
i i could just like enjoy it and even if
1:28:21
i didn't have a great one i could learn
1:28:23
from all the others coming down and
1:28:25
shared a good moment with them and then
1:28:26
leave with like
1:28:28
i don't know just a more balanced
1:28:31
like and just have peace of mind and not
1:28:33
be completely like worried and
1:28:35
and miserable for like two weeks yeah
1:28:38
for sure it's a really positive way of
1:28:40
looking at it okay so what thing won't
1:28:43
you miss
1:28:46
well
1:28:47
risking your life
1:28:50
risking your life for like
1:28:53
no i mean it's fun don't get me wrong
1:28:55
it's time to like go at the limit and
1:28:57
stuff but sometimes you don't feel like
1:28:58
it and these moments where
1:29:01
came even more and more often towards
1:29:04
the end of my career when i was just
1:29:05
like this is ridiculous like
1:29:08
so do you think that's because the do
1:29:11
you think that's because the pay
1:29:13
you know the the increase in talent in
1:29:16
the women's field
1:29:17
is pushing you to go faster
1:29:19
or do you think that was just you
1:29:20
getting a little bit older and
1:29:24
well it's a bit of both i think but
1:29:27
definitely the level like we said about
1:29:29
um snowshoe it showed like
1:29:33
um
1:29:34
yeah i think i got like a seventh in
1:29:36
snowshoe and i didn't do the triple and
1:29:39
i wrote like
1:29:41
like
1:29:42
we did we can't really compare the times
1:29:44
but like i don't think i wrote better at
1:29:46
all
1:29:47
and
1:29:48
yeah i got the set i'm stupid and and
1:29:50
i'm studying and
1:29:52
i felt like
1:29:54
my runs were like
1:29:56
certainly not worse and
1:29:59
especially in my board i was just like
1:30:00
what the hell like what i need to do
1:30:03
and
1:30:04
the thing is it's not like
1:30:06
one section or two section anymore you
1:30:08
do mistakes it's like you lose time
1:30:09
everywhere a little bit so you can't
1:30:11
really do anything
1:30:14
unless writing everywhere a bit faster
1:30:16
and that's the thing that was like
1:30:17
confusing to me because
1:30:20
and that's all the thing i stopped
1:30:21
because then you start to make silly
1:30:23
choices about like trying to go so much
1:30:26
faster and then you just crash like a
1:30:28
crash remember in practice it's really
1:30:29
hard and then
1:30:31
i was just like i was lucky that i
1:30:33
wasn't bad i was injured or something
1:30:34
but i was just like you felt good to
1:30:36
like go on the limit but on the other
1:30:38
hand you're like
1:30:39
this is not
1:30:41
yeah gonna make me go any faster if i do
1:30:43
this type of stuff yeah
1:30:45
so last two questions
1:30:48
one of them's a little bit fun what's
1:30:49
your favorite curse word
1:30:53
um
1:31:00
that's probably the one i say the most
1:31:02
but um
1:31:04
yeah i guess we'll stick to that no
1:31:07
english curse word
1:31:09
cool and last question on on the list
1:31:12
here is the future
1:31:14
what you're up to what are you doing
1:31:17
um yeah so i
1:31:19
like we
1:31:20
i don't know if you mentioned it but
1:31:21
yeah we i just came back from america
1:31:23
and i was
1:31:25
in phoenix uh people cycles headquarters
1:31:28
and so there's still going to be an
1:31:30
ambassador to them
1:31:31
um i might
1:31:33
um maybe go to crack quirks do some
1:31:36
racing there if i feel like it maybe
1:31:39
national champs
1:31:40
because there's not a lot of girls in
1:31:42
switzerland and i want to kind of like
1:31:43
set an example that
1:31:45
there's still going to be a lot of girls
1:31:47
and try to push people to come
1:31:49
um
1:31:52
i might get involved when you kind of
1:31:53
need to see with the european um
1:31:56
headquarters of favor where they need
1:31:57
from me but kind of be there like a
1:32:00
person to help also with like the
1:32:02
younger athletes and pivo in the future
1:32:04
we don't have really a set program yet
1:32:06
but i that's kind of what direction i
1:32:08
want to go on maybe like the young
1:32:11
privateers
1:32:12
and kind of be that um person or contact
1:32:15
person that they can like rely on before
1:32:18
they get like a factory team or whatever
1:32:21
and
1:32:22
yeah
1:32:24
i'm getting into some coaching um i've
1:32:26
got a psychology degree so i'm working
1:32:29
with some athletes at home
1:32:32
and also coach some very young kids at
1:32:34
home
1:32:35
um
1:32:36
so yeah
1:32:37
and i'm gonna be teaching primary school
1:32:39
like i always do
1:32:41
a little bit for the money side because
1:32:43
it's
1:32:44
more all fun and jokes being on the bike
1:32:46
industry but it's not very well paid so
1:32:49
you do it for the vlog and
1:32:51
and then you kind of need to make some
1:32:53
money as well but i like working with
1:32:55
kids so it's good it's a good job
1:32:58
so there's two questions linking to that
1:33:00
last one the
1:33:01
the future question what what profession
1:33:03
other than your own would you like to
1:33:05
attempt what would you like to have a go
1:33:07
at
1:33:09
um
1:33:10
well
1:33:12
like i said i was i was coaching some
1:33:14
some young kids so i i do them like the
1:33:17
mental aspect but i'm also kind of
1:33:20
getting into and i guess i had a lot of
1:33:22
experience but i don't really have like
1:33:23
a degree for that as i try to be like a
1:33:26
physical coach yeah so i could totally
1:33:28
see myself trying to like get into that
1:33:30
and maybe do
1:33:32
um
1:33:33
yeah some courses
1:33:34
yeah um
1:33:36
my dad did all of them but i don't want
1:33:38
to be i don't want to do what my dad
1:33:40
does but i guess i really like to coach
1:33:44
young younger athletes so we'll see if i
1:33:46
get into that or not but yeah i could
1:33:48
definitely try and what profession would
1:33:50
you not like to do what
1:33:54
oh
1:33:55
everything that has to do with money
1:33:57
like
1:33:58
finance something taxes
1:34:01
or like
1:34:03
i don't know law enforcement
1:34:06
the the people that come i don't know
1:34:07
the name meaning the people that come
1:34:09
and um
1:34:11
like go to your car when they're parked
1:34:13
warm and it just like
1:34:15
put you some fines yeah traffic water
1:34:18
sunday because yeah yeah on a sunday
1:34:20
because you're like that much beside
1:34:22
there yeah joyless joyless job exactly
1:34:25
that's exactly not what i want
1:34:28
well that's it emmy uh thank you thank
1:34:30
you for making the time to come on on
1:34:32
the pod so those are the 20 questions
1:34:34
before you go there's a couple of things
1:34:35
i wanted to chat with you about it the
1:34:37
first one is we had an amazing season
1:34:39
finale in short snowshoe if you were a
1:34:42
betting woman who would you money be on
1:34:44
for 2022
1:34:48
that's a hard one
1:34:50
yeah i think it's gonna be probably like
1:34:53
the tightest season
1:34:55
you ever seen
1:34:56
um
1:34:57
because
1:34:58
i mean
1:34:59
we've seen from snowshoe like
1:35:01
and also valdisole um
1:35:04
there's a few people that had um
1:35:06
problems this year bali and miriam did
1:35:09
kind of a lot of mistakes yeah
1:35:11
even though they got like while he got
1:35:13
the overall i think she she crashed a
1:35:14
lot
1:35:15
and some places she's not supposed to
1:35:18
cam
1:35:19
from me had like this has the steepest
1:35:21
learning curve
1:35:23
and yeah she was the most consistent
1:35:26
yeah yeah and even though like i think
1:35:27
she can she progressed from her year to
1:35:29
another so much so
1:35:31
it won't maybe be as much but still like
1:35:34
she has the steepest
1:35:35
uh curve to him and potential to improve
1:35:38
and then
1:35:40
we've seen from tani from time to time
1:35:42
was like excellence and i think if she
1:35:44
can get her confidence that she'll be so
1:35:46
dangerous because she wants it probably
1:35:48
more than anyone
1:35:50
and then marine
1:35:53
who like suddenly came out of nowhere on
1:35:55
her favorite track in in valdisole
1:35:58
she was also there on the podium um
1:36:02
in snowshoe and she
1:36:03
she like
1:36:05
gets back to 100 i think it would be so
1:36:09
hard for
1:36:10
like to get into the fight to like mix
1:36:12
it up with those five yeah i'm kind of
1:36:16
happy i'm not racing anymore because i'm
1:36:18
like oh who am i gonna beat who is it
1:36:21
who is gonna throw it away because this
1:36:23
year i felt like
1:36:25
there's a
1:36:26
kind of mistakes but at some other some
1:36:28
of the runs on the races there's like no
1:36:30
one was making any mistakes and i think
1:36:32
we're gonna see some of that next year
1:36:34
and it's gonna be really exciting
1:36:36
and
1:36:37
in the men's
1:36:42
all the frenchies
1:36:43
now um i think the press gonna be really
1:36:46
angry about what happened and i think
1:36:48
it's gonna train like a maniac and so
1:36:49
will amore i think the people got
1:36:53
who
1:36:53
were so close to having something like
1:36:55
the perella and then kind of throw it
1:36:57
away and some sense i think he would
1:36:59
like
1:37:01
he's angry in general so i think he's
1:37:02
gonna be even more angry
1:37:05
sorry
1:37:07
and then amore is getting back to it
1:37:09
um and he will
1:37:11
he's such a talented writer so i think
1:37:13
he will be really hard too but i want to
1:37:15
see burden on the podium again
1:37:18
and he's not going to quit until he does
1:37:19
something like that so he said oh i
1:37:21
really want to retire with you but i
1:37:23
need to win a race first
1:37:25
so
1:37:26
i think he has the skills um he just
1:37:29
needs to put his mind into it because
1:37:31
brokers are something different but i
1:37:33
think he gets a really good run he could
1:37:35
do it
1:37:36
so yeah we'll see but for sure like this
1:37:40
i think
1:37:41
there's so many people that can win the
1:37:43
race insane and really excited to see
1:37:45
what's going what's going to happen cool
1:37:47
well women's downhills as we said is
1:37:49
probably in the best place it's ever
1:37:50
been the sport's maturing now and the
1:37:53
number of riders who can win a world cup
1:37:55
overall is increasing every year as
1:37:57
we've just said do you think we'll ever
1:37:59
see the level of dominance that rachel
1:38:02
displayed or ankara before her
1:38:05
do you think we'll ever see that again
1:38:09
i doubt it but you never know like i
1:38:11
mean valley is very young
1:38:13
and although there's like a lot of good
1:38:15
juniors
1:38:17
now especially first-year juniors that's
1:38:18
gonna be juniors still next year
1:38:21
like yankova and phoebe gayle they're
1:38:23
just really talented riders all around
1:38:26
and then there's more coming
1:38:28
um there's that young kiwi jenna hasting
1:38:31
there's just one crown quirks and she's
1:38:32
17 as well and she beat all the elites
1:38:34
so i think there's a lot of young
1:38:36
writers
1:38:37
almost as talented as valley that can
1:38:39
come and
1:38:40
and challenge her but you never know
1:38:43
when someone gets like a streak like
1:38:44
that some sometimes you have that
1:38:46
confidence that rachel had and then you
1:38:48
can't stop this person
1:38:50
until she stops herself so
1:38:52
um
1:38:54
i will doubt it but it could be like
1:38:56
that someone comes and have the
1:38:58
dominance again but
1:38:59
um
1:39:00
it'll be harder for sure than in
1:39:02
previous years yeah we talked last year
1:39:05
on our getting more women into racing
1:39:07
episode about things that could be done
1:39:08
to encourage that have you seen any
1:39:10
further developments
1:39:14
well i guess it's related to the juniors
1:39:16
we're talking about i mean um
1:39:19
i i know kind of know that uh yankovic
1:39:22
signed for a big brand next year i don't
1:39:24
think it's going to be a factoring thing
1:39:26
but still like a good
1:39:28
a good support team and then and then
1:39:30
should be always on for d and like all
1:39:32
these young athletes get kind of the
1:39:34
supports that deserve
1:39:36
and that makes a difference because when
1:39:38
you get to the elite and sometimes it's
1:39:39
hard to like qualify and stuff if you
1:39:42
don't have that support around you
1:39:44
you just might like say oh maybe that's
1:39:47
not for me and stuff
1:39:49
and like someone like anna newkirk who
1:39:52
that comes back into the top ten
1:39:54
but i had really bad years when like
1:39:56
kovid was hitting and she didn't know
1:39:58
what she was wanted to do and she was
1:40:00
like not that far behind bali when she
1:40:03
was a junior you know
1:40:05
and
1:40:06
yeah the environment that you're in
1:40:08
really makes a difference so
1:40:10
i mean
1:40:11
having that spot in the factory team and
1:40:14
actual money a dysentery that's another
1:40:16
step that maybe we
1:40:18
gonna get like we're gonna take it one
1:40:20
step at a time but i think the support
1:40:22
is definitely including
1:40:24
excellent well emily congratulations on
1:40:26
your career and thanks for making the
1:40:28
time to come on the pod and very best of
1:40:30
luck for the future
1:40:33
jack we're getting to the end of the
1:40:34
year the team rumors are pretty quiet
1:40:36
this season benoit's just told us he's
1:40:38
staying with uh door valley am have you
1:40:41
heard anything
1:40:43
um
1:40:44
i haven't heard too much to be honest
1:40:46
i'm trying to think
1:40:50
there's only two kind of top ten riders
1:40:52
i think that are up for contract and i
1:40:54
think
1:40:55
the rumors i've heard is lucas shorter
1:40:57
canyon oh yeah i have heard that to be
1:41:00
fair yeah and then um lori greenland
1:41:05
and jackson goldstone coming into the
1:41:07
syndicate yeah i think even my mum's
1:41:09
heard that one
1:41:11
that's the absolute dream team and that
1:41:13
greg laurie and jackson on saturday
1:41:16
yep right yeah that is that is cool
1:41:19
yeah well all those rumors are out there
1:41:21
on the internet as well i've checked so
1:41:23
we're not we're not breaking anything
1:41:24
they're not revealing anything that
1:41:25
people can't find already any one vision
1:41:28
rumors kicking around i believe dan's
1:41:30
sticking with you
1:41:31
yeah so dan's had an offer elsewhere but
1:41:34
he's he's he knows where he's bred's
1:41:35
buttered so he's staying put um which is
1:41:38
great obviously we love him the sponsors
1:41:40
love him and he loves it because so um
1:41:43
after that top 10 in maribor and a few
1:41:45
other things he's i already knew he had
1:41:47
that kind of speed around with him all
1:41:48
the time but he's showing everyone else
1:41:50
that he's got it and and importantly
1:41:51
shawnee can deliver it when the
1:41:53
pressure's on so you know
1:41:55
our aim is to is to improve the program
1:41:57
now and and keep getting bigger and
1:41:59
better so that we can help dan and other
1:42:01
riders to to keep doing that and lift
1:42:04
lift it and do it more
1:42:06
um consistently so um the team is
1:42:09
getting bigger next year i can tell you
1:42:10
that um we're going to be taking a
1:42:12
junior and excitingly we're going to be
1:42:13
taking our first female rider so cool
1:42:16
won't give you any more details of them
1:42:18
than that we're going to be taking an
1:42:19
extra mechanic um
1:42:22
so there'll be elliott and a second
1:42:24
mechanic sam
1:42:25
um
1:42:26
elliot will be working full-time with
1:42:28
dan and i'll have have a new mechanic
1:42:30
myself um
1:42:32
we're gonna also going to be taking on
1:42:34
staff um to help us out with additional
1:42:36
things because i can only be in one
1:42:37
place at once and at the moment i need
1:42:39
to be in five places at once and it's
1:42:40
not possible so
1:42:42
my good friend jim hirst shout out to
1:42:45
jimmy used to ride for the team he's now
1:42:47
going to be coming on as my right-hand
1:42:48
man with
1:42:50
the coaching stuff um
1:42:52
and the team stuff i have to do and then
1:42:55
uh another staff member who i won't
1:42:56
reveal just yet who's gonna be coming on
1:42:58
to to help out with various things so
1:43:00
we're gonna be a uci team again um we're
1:43:02
getting bigger we're taking more riders
1:43:04
and it's all geared towards making
1:43:07
things better for the riders we're not
1:43:08
doing it for how big is our truck and
1:43:11
how big's our shot from um we're doing
1:43:13
it to try and hunt down results for
1:43:15
myself for other for all of our riders
1:43:17
and uh
1:43:18
and show off the sponsors when we do it
1:43:20
so it's exciting cool well you're
1:43:21
keeping pretty busy with the gravity
1:43:23
school the portugal trip last season
1:43:25
looked fantastic
1:43:26
i think i saw you got a lot of those
1:43:27
planned for early next year is that
1:43:29
right
1:43:30
yeah so there's very little uh once the
1:43:32
weather turns in this country there's
1:43:34
very little you can do in terms of uh
1:43:37
good preparation the tracks are too
1:43:38
short it's too cold
1:43:40
um so basically we'll have
1:43:43
coaching camps in portugal available for
1:43:45
riders
1:43:47
january february and march and the march
1:43:49
ones are linked with races so anyone who
1:43:51
is interested in those can give me a
1:43:53
shout and i can send over the details we
1:43:54
are taking bookings for those now so
1:43:56
yeah it's really exciting
1:43:58
for the march ones we're offering
1:43:59
something that no team has ever done
1:44:02
before
1:44:02
um
1:44:04
gravity school riders who we coach are
1:44:06
going to be able to come out and be
1:44:07
coached for a few days and then they
1:44:09
will come to a national race
1:44:11
with the team they will be
1:44:13
with us in the pits they will ride with
1:44:15
us they will have access to the
1:44:16
mechanics they'll do track walks with
1:44:18
those line analysis with us they'll stay
1:44:20
with us in the accommodation they will
1:44:22
get the proper experience
1:44:24
and the idea behind that is they get all
1:44:26
that at the race but then also that
1:44:28
experience is at the start of the season
1:44:30
so everything they learn from it they
1:44:32
can then take into their 2022 race
1:44:34
season to see how the pros do it
1:44:37
excellent and is there like is it are
1:44:39
you trying to offer like a route through
1:44:41
from the gravity school to the team is
1:44:43
that the idea
1:44:44
not directly um the gravity school is my
1:44:47
coaching business and the team is the
1:44:49
professional race team but
1:44:52
i own and manage and i'm head coach at
1:44:54
the gravity school and i own and manage
1:44:57
the professional race team so
1:44:59
it kind of goes without saying that if i
1:45:02
see and coach someone who's got talent
1:45:04
and i have an opening in my race team
1:45:06
then
1:45:07
there's a chance that person will then
1:45:09
be given an opportunity to ride for the
1:45:11
race team if there's somebody who i've
1:45:13
never met
1:45:14
and all of a sudden they want to ride
1:45:17
for the race team but i've never ridden
1:45:18
with them never don't know them it's
1:45:20
less likely
1:45:21
that they're going to end up on the race
1:45:23
team that's
1:45:24
it's not
1:45:25
a specific
1:45:27
route to the team but obviously
1:45:30
obviously there's a link
1:45:31
it's it's going to be easier for someone
1:45:34
to get on the race team if i know where
1:45:35
they are and know how they ride so
1:45:38
should i keep believing is that is there
1:45:40
still a chance for me hey
1:45:43
never never write yourself off george
1:45:45
you're only as good as your last result
1:45:46
aren't you
1:45:48
exactly there you go there you go and
1:45:49
you beat binsy so
1:45:51
i think we all know where my strengths
1:45:52
lie
1:45:54
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