I’m fascinated by why Cougar seeks to start a discussion on religion

Cougar didn’t, Cougar asked a reasonable question about whether we’d believe it if a “second coming” happened. That’s a philosphical/societal question that can be asked without adherence to any belief system.

i don’t even want a voluntary one

What kind of helmet did he want?

ha ha ha! If politically incorrect!

quote]but as zimbo pointed out “you won’t know if you can swim if you dont jump in[[/quote]

That wasn’t me! I warned him of drowning in the perilous waters of blind faith!

Yep and they are asking what forfeit Cougar is going to do for bottling it

Yeah Cougar, you’re big wuss for not throwing yourself unthinkingly into spurious metaphysical nonsense!

considering they continue doing it there must be something tangible that results

remind where I can see the tangible results? In the starving faces of African babies, or on the coffins of dead relatives, maybe?

Organised religion is just heavy-handed totalitarian politics, god should never be spelt with a capital “g” and humanism can provide anything that any god can. Science will never provide all the answers, but all answers are there to be scientifically found. We, and everything, are, after all, just chemicals and chemical reactions, in glorious technicolour.

Conversely Coug, if you don’t jump in, you won’t risk drowning…

That instant hit sounds like one those bloody Buddhists!

Nice thought though, but isn’t that just human introspection and nowt to do with a supreme being..?

One of the best comedy series ever written, but little heard of – Sean Lock’s “Fifteen Storeys High”. Absolute genius.

It’s a reminder that us fair-minded atheists still love a bit of bigotry. Me, I can’t stand those bloody Buddhists.

I think it was Robin Hood too, but JC got there first. I’m no theologist, but rich men, heaven, camels, eyes of needles and all that. Did you fall asleep in RE at school too?

Popular, charismatic, persuasive, ethical man comes to prominence, wants to take from the rich and give to the poor? Think he’d last five minutes in this capitalist, consumerist world..?
The last proponent of that philosophy on a grand scale had his lights put out and his hands cut off in Bolivia in 1968, by the very same people who’d be at the forefront of the silencing of any Second Coming…

I have a Greenline II diesel on lease. I chose it for the much-vaunted big boot space, primarily for getting bikes in the back easily. Turns out, though, that I really need to either remove both wheels from the bike, or take the rear seats out out of the car, to get a bike in. That’s okay for longer distances, but a minor pain for shorter ones. I had a Golf before the Yeti, and that was just seat back down, one wheel off, in and away. The internal bike rack looks like a good idea though, for longer journeys.
I like the car generally. As much as it’s possible to like one of those money-eating fume-spewers…