mikey3, I guess you would have seen the split on the edge of the BB shell, if not the whole crack.

It was easy to miss picking the frame up though, which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Just tried to call him now, call declined after a couple of rings so have left him a message to give me a call to sort this out.

Its not that it wasn’t visable, its just that I didn’t spot it at the time before stripping the paint.

I didn’t word it well, but I can’t edit the post now :oops:

neal – He’s been in the thread right from the start of it, I think he just failed to take most of it in…

I’ve only been in contact through text’s (which he now ignore’s). Like I said I will give him a call tonight to try and speak to him and sort this out, hardly slagging him off to the internet :?

I only started this after 6 weeks of waiting for the refund he said he would give me.

I’m going to give the seller a call after work and see what he says.

He has agreed that the crack was there before he sold it to me (after seeing the stress cracks), and that he should have properly cleaned the bike up and given it a propper looking over before I came to pick it up.

I should have spotted it before picking up and stripping the paint, my mistake.

Thanks, I will try and sort something out with the seller first. If I’m stuck with the frame I will look into welding.

Plyphon – I agree, in the photo’s the frame does look pretty grubby, but the rest of the frame is actually in very good condition. I was more concered about the marks on the chainstay when i went to look at it, but the photo’s make it look worse than it is.

Once i cleaned it up.

Here’s the crack if you didn’t see the thread.

Woody74 – I did ask about repair in my other thread, the general response was the frame is now scrap.

I removed the BB then spotted the crack. You could see the crack wasn’t fresh, there was dirt in there already.

Stress marks towards the seatpost make it look like its been there a while to me, I would imagine its been creaking for a while.

Munrobiker – Your story isn’t really the same. You sold a frame and it was fine. This frame has a clear crack in it, and what looks like stress marks just next to the crack indicating (to me) that its been ridden for a while.

Don’t respray a frame next time? I think thats what the seller wanted me to do, as soon as its ridden then I wouldn’t have any come back at all?

I should have noticed the crack when I picked up the frame. You could probably still see it while the paint was still there but I didn’t spot it. The paint around it was flaky and grubby, easy thing to miss.

Calmly, I said I will wait for him to get paid, and understand he has other commitments. I gave him over a month to get the money together and was promised to have it when he last got paid.

I said I will pack everything up to send myself, and just sort out a courier when you get paid.

More than fair really.

Yes i heard about the BB cracking on the 2009 frames.

This frame was actually advertised as a 2009 frame when he emailed about it. Found out later it was a 2008.

Imo if he was happy to lie about the age of the frame, and going back on his word regarding the refund I have little doubt that he knew about the crack.

Lesson learn’t. I won’t bother buying a second hand frame again.

The front triangle ad was after I had mentioned the crack and he said he would try to find a replacement to be fair.

I should have probably spotted it picking up the frame, all the photo’s on pinkbike are on the driveside. I did have a look when i picked the frame up but the BB was quite grubby with chipped paint so it was difficult to spot the crack.

I still think after offering a full refund he should stick to his word.

Original for sale thread is here

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/lapierre-zesty-frame-only-need-gone

I couldn’t expect him to see it through the paint, but he did say this.

It was just that he offered a full refund thats pissed me off. I believed him at first but after all the excuses it seems he probably knew about the crack and tried to cover it up by leaving the BB in. He seemed surprised when I said I wanted to strip and powder the frame, saying there was no point and I might aswell just leave it and ride it :?

I said it looks irrepairable and he said he has a friend at uni that welds titanium and this would be a piece of cake for him. Maybe he has found out its not worth doing so is going back on his word.

If it was me I would have thoroughly checked the frame over before selling, and wouldn’t be happy ripping someone off.

Copied from the net…

“SnakeSkin-Sidewall –
a light and flexible woven layer on the sidewall guards tires against abrasion damage.

Double Defense –
two system puncture defense with High Density Guard and Snake Skin sidewall. For the first time the protection belt from high-density Vectran fabric – the same used in the Ultremo – is also to be found in an MTB tire. While the proven SnakeSkin sidewall protects against sharp edged stones. There cannot be more security for light, fast off-road tires.”

If grips not much of an issue you could just try a snake skin ralph instead?

ETA – I went for the pacestar (harder XC) compound. I’m hoping this will make it a bit less draggy than a trailstar compound would.

Nobby nic a good comprimise?

Thats what I’ve just swapped to from a ralph. Will be a little more draggy but probably not quite as much as the dampf.

I went for the double defense skin, I did get a couple of small cuts to my old ralph.

Will have a look at some Maxxis tyres thanks.

Most of the riding I do is XC, so would be nice to keep them fairly lightweight but then not have to worry too much going through a rocky descent or small drops.

If I go tubeless I wouldn’t want to have to be swapping tyres about if I go somewhere downhill orientated.

Might be better sticking with tubes and getting a DH tyre instead?

I don’t like how it goes back a page on safari when your scrolling from left to right, haven’t found a setting to turn that off?

Also its a bit annoying how it underlines night, tonight, tomorrow in a text. Is it supposed to link to your calender?

Skate shoes and waterproof socks?

Great cheers :mrgreen:

So there are holes in the BB shell to accommodate it? Just remove the BB and feed it through?

What about the spare hole thats blanked off in the headtube? Is it just a hole that I will be able to feed it through, or does this have an internal tube routing it along the top tube?

Finally, Is there a replacement blanking plug I can buy for the headtube that fits over the hose?

The frame is a large, did a bit more digging and it appears you can’t fit a stealth to a 2012 frame, only 2013.

Thanks! So is that out of the hole in the downtube before the BB? Rather than through the BB shell itself?

Are the standard hoses usually long enough to route this way?

I spoke to hotlines myself and they said if you need spare parts just speak to your local dealer. I didn’t own a zesty at the time.

Can’t be that hard to find a MTB’er with only one arm!

Not this guys is it?

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/santa-cruz-v10-stolen-x-2

Totally agree with him.

Been using nobby nics up front and ralph on the back since then, been happy with them on the dry stuff, not so keen with them on damp rocks/roots though.

I had 2.4 MKII, they were a bit wondery at lower pressures in corners (rims were not particularly wide though ~19mm).
Punctured all the time too, got rid after a month.

New bike came with some MKII protection versions. I sold them on but the tyre has a much stronger carcass, should be less wondery i guess, but you want the black chilli compound if any.

I did have a good look over it after a ride at Stainburn, no cracks yet! :mrgreen:

Quick snap before it’s first outing.

DezB you have Forza now, it doesn’t get any more real! :P

:o

Ecky-Thump – I know right, why did I even ask on here :P

There’s 2 left in the size I want by the sound of it. One was an ex-display and the other is boxed up, was hoping I would get a bit of the ex-display atleast :(

Still interested in the bike, might finish it off asking for a free set of pedals then since it doesn’t come with any.

Well, i tried. Phoned them up but no further discount offered unfortunately :(
The bike was originally £3000 rrp, and is just under £2,200 now.

Even tried the ‘older’ 26″ wheel tactic, he was having none of it. Bugger!

I was thinking I’ve been missing the sloppy slippy conditions, but not looking forward to cleaning my bike after every ride and getting out in the cold first thing on a morning!

That rock drop looks pretty ballsy, nice effort! :-)