tomaso: Who knows, I might take up DJing in my forties hah, longevity is another factor, so the sturdier the better. I came into this thread wanting a BTR as I expressed, but wanted to see if I had missed any other great options.

paton: nice event, unfortunately i’m in Berlin.

BTR Ignitor XL to the left VS Brand X Large frame to the right. Longer reach on the BTR and will fit my 27.5″ wheels, would need a 460 mm seatpost!

Sounds like you need a 27.5 Chaser with a super short seat tube and dropped top tube! All the other frames will be way overbuilt. Are you planning on running 1×11?

I am 85kg and do trash it about a bit, so overbuilt might not be a bad idea.
The ignitor already has a short CS and short top tube, but 2 degrees slacker head angle than the chaser. So I’m thinking a XL ignitor with 2 degrees steeper head angle is that’s possible if it will fit a 2″ tire on 27.5 wheels.

Yes 1×11 zee groupset.

Gotama: We’re in talks ;) If you’re reading this Tam or Burf, cheers! I’m thinking a XL Ignitor possibly with a 2 degree steeper head angle would be perfect (same as a L Chaser, only much lower ST and shorter CS), it could even do 27.5 with not huge tires.

One option that hasn’t been mentioned, the Black Market Edit 1. $599, but disqualified for only allowing a 30T front chainring, need at least 36 to go fast on a 1x. Here in XXXL.

gwurk: Not ideal, but def usable, I can also switch to 26″ wheels if I want with the right frame, it’s just cool if its able to take my current 27.5″ ones. I’m not going to go flying through the air with it. Daily I bike around 15 km perhaps, not far but it’s nice when they’re 15 enjoyable fast kms.

1. Commute bike
2. Street bike (flat stuff not big jumps)
3. Long trips
4. XC bike

Will likely never see DH or DJs.

Why cant you not compromise and have 2xbikes?

Any chance you could explain what that actually is?

I don’t need two bikes, it’s just hard to find a bike that perfectly fits my use; fooling around on the street on a 100 mm rigid fork; getting from A to B quickly and comfortably all year daily being 6’4″, hopping, manuals, tiny bit of trialsing. On rare occasions XC. Something fun to get around on that can do everything and last a long time.

Basically I want a stretched out DJ frame that can fit 27.5 wheels with 2″ slicks. Guess there’s just not a large market for such a bike, nothing I’ve seen off the shelf fits that good, so most the bikes that fit the bill are custom builds. One exception was the EVIL DOC in long.

I’d wager not very OCD seeing as the BTR in the pic above is obviously not a straight line, but just enough off to be noticeable.

True Stevet1, hence why I’m leaning towards the Ignitor with a 66 degree HA and more straighter line ;)

I see Vendetta X2 preorders open again Nov 1st at 999 GBP. The L Compared to the XL Ignitor (basically a ranger with more DJ like geometry):

+ 0.35 kg lighter
+ titanium? 8)
– 64.5 degree HA (too slack for street, the instigator a bit better at 66)
– 13 mm longer CS
– 30 mm taller ST

So overall, for my use it’s a worse choice, but for Enduro/xc use it’d be a very close call. Stif Morf also nice but too tall ST, that’d be my budget pick for enduro/xc.

gwurk: doesn’t have to be steel, but steel is usually sexier! It just boggles the mind the colors and decals these companies put on their bikes, what’s up with the Pocahontas decals!

Anyways, the dartmoor frame has shorter reach for the same size frame, longer chainstays and higher seat tubes. So It’d be good, but it’s making too many compromises and casting too wide of a net. It’ll be good at many things but won’t be amazing at anything, and I want a frame that won’t leave me thinking what-if and will last me a decade or two. It’s very close to the frame I am currently replacing.

colournoise: you’re the second one to mention it! Let’s see.

+ half the price
= head angle similar (end at ~66 degrees with a 100 mm rigid fork)
– 428 mm vs 415 or 410 mm chainstay (ranger/ignitor)
– seat tube 30 mm taller than the ignitor
– paint/color scheme a dealbreaker for me personally

I’m surprised the BTR DJ frame has a 66 degree HT btw, seems slack, I’d expect it to be at least 68 degrees. Right now leaning towards the Ignitor. The higher cost isn’t too much of a problem If I can own this bike for a decade.

ajantom: very true, I have OCD about straight lines from head tube to rear hub ;)

v666ern: Kingdom Ti is sick, and looks significantly lighter than the BTRs, but 1600 pounds! Heck!

chiefgrooveguru: Thanks! not a bad deal, bit too tall and long to be perf for me though, i’m really going for the one bike i’ll hopefully use the rest of my life here so I want it to be perfect both functionally and aesthetically If i can have that too. What I’m really wondering is if the XL Instigator would suit me better than the L Ranger ;)

ajanton: thanks! but the trailstar is 0,4 kg heavier, 20 mm taller and with 10 mm longer chainstays, plus not as sexy imo.

gwurk: the Curtis Racelite is a bit too small, the Curtis AM6 L a bit taller than I’d like (seat tube). More expensive than the BTR, guessing a custom one would be extra.

qwerty: link only lands me on front page!

david: I’ve lusted for a chameleon for a long time, same short chainstays as BTR and “only” $749, but it’s light teal..I cannot :mrgreen:

Another option is a XL BTR Ignitor 4×4 frame, suuper low, 410 mm CS, long enough reach to be usable around town and could even fit a 2.0 27.5 wheel. Steeper head angle.

Gwurk: I have 27.5 wheels ATM and like em for getting around places fast, 26″ is fine too, I could use either size. What 4x frame would you rec with long reach? I’m 6’4″.

Chieftgrooveguru: The Bird Zero is nice! 10 mm longer chain-stays, albeit the steeper head angle could suit me better. Sold out of anything but the orange ATM. Doesn’t match the looks of steel ;)