Antonella – don’t have my spreadsheet in front of me but bb drop is 70mm on V1 and 65mm on V2 from memory. Other competing frames are also 65mm I noticed it seems common number at the moment. I was looking at 58cm frame, would assume bb drop same on all though.

How many years warranty on the frame Bruce?

Where did you get £500 from?

Tripster V1 is £1350, unless onsale at £1250 – lets be generous and say £1350.

Tripster V2 Frame £1664
(best price so far: https://www.merlincycles.com/kinesis-tripster-atr-ti-v2-disc-frameset-97253.html)
Tripster Flatmount 12mm thru Fork £280
Headset no longer included £50

Tripster v2 frameset price: £1994
Increase: £644

That’s why after months of waiting, well since Feb so what 8-9 months, my bike will not be built around a Tripster V2 frame 😥

That’s one advantage of Di2, you could run MTB mechs to get the rear mech with the clutch in it (at a price).

belugabob – I think they all look like that, I have seen some bars on the market now have a recess her to help the hose not stick out.

vortexracing – if your buying SPD peddals don’t buy XT, get down to Halfords for some “Boardman MTB Pro”, they are lighter at 285g and really well made, more like XTR, and only £25.

Great price on the Airy… post Brexit vote you need to buy first think later!

https://www.acycles.co.uk/tubus-airy-bag-rack-7072.html
£146 now…

Somafunk, hummerlicious and takeiteasy probably who filled my head with ideas, been waiting so long for this V2 frame now I have forgotten where I started…

David/Vortex that looks excellent 8)

You have pretty much implemented what’s in my head, right down to the Tubus Airy.

Are you running Dynamo lights? That looks a bit like a Revo but I don’t see any cables out the back.

I only saw 1 year on the Kinesis website PDF for frames from July 2016:
http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/files/techdocs/FRAME-INSTRUCTIONS-WEB.pdf

But their FAQ says 3 years on all frames:

Maybe BikerBruce would care to comment?!

That looks top Vortexracing 8)

Notmyrealname – I don’t understand why they told you that – Upgrade Bikes have had it in their brochure since May! I can see why you would be 👿

Why do Kinesis only offer 1 year warranty on their frames, anyone know?

Ok.. here we go then:

I think like many I am struggling to see how a £1500 Tripster frameset has turned into a £2180 frameset (£1850 frame, £280 fork, no headset so add £50 for that as well). Adding the thru axle, internal routing and those bottom bottle bosses really jumped the price!

I guess next week you will announce a special launch bundle with frame and fork for £1600 for singletrack members who have been waiting all year for this frame? 😉

You can say that again, the road.cc preview was Feb 3rd!

I totally missed that, now’s a good time to go shopping for “old” and “obsolete” 2016 tyres then 😆 😉

I am kind of arriving at the same conclusion that S-One (or the artist now known as G-One Speed) is the right tyre, if I had two wheels I would go for a second set with the G-One 40mm on though!

You could say that… if you hadn’t noticed the 60-622 (29 x 2.35) version! Jumbo!

That’s sneaky that DrP!

As they say on the internet, pictures or it didn’t happen! 😈

So, new road wheels fitted Hope 20Five’s with 28mm Schwalbe one pros’ and bar, stem, seat and post fitted.

Be interested to see what you think of the one pro’s?

Anyone running G-One’s on their tripster?

Lots of choice out there granted – sites listing the V1 60cm I think have no link to what upgrade (distributor) has in stock and just assume they can order them all in.

DrP Shimano shifters/brakes not for sale, I can still send them back for the next 20 days for refund!

I have started looking at what Chinese carbon frames are available with big clearance and flout mount, you can get quiet a lot for $500, shame that $500 is a lot of £ these days!

Prices on everything are up for sure, so its not all increase, but over £2k with fork and headset (lets guess at £2200) puts it really in the big leagues with Enigma, Moots, the Mason TI Bokeh and a lot more “bespoke” frames.

I think the tripster is a great frame, and have been waiting all summer to get a V2 when it came along… but lets face it – it is a mass produced frame from a Russian or Chinese factory. PlanetX are knocking these sort of frames out at £1000 (currently with 25% off as its the end of the world), I can see how the market might support £1600 shop price for Tripster V2 like the GF Ti, but I for one am not prepared to pay new pricing for V2 Tripster.

Which is kind of a bummer, as all the 60 and 57cm V1 frames are now out of stock… and I already grabbed some Shimano hydraulic shifters with flat mount brakes before the price of those went up any more 🙁

Thanks for answers on stem length, I had read a “short” (in road terms) stem was the right choice for the Tripster, I will look at a 90mm or 100mm I think (186cm/6’2″ here)

Does anyone have any clear details of the version 2 frame – all I can find is rumours and no definitive answers ?

Lee

Here you go:
http://shop.upgradebikes.co.uk/Catalogue/Frames/Kinesis/Tripster-ATR-V2

£1850 RRP with no fork or headset included any more, not seen details of the forks but if you look at the pictures the old pictures we have seen before have a post mount front fork (same as the upgrade catalogue from May on Issuu) that is curved, the new pictures have a straight fork with a flat mount brake.

The problem, for me, is that while it has everything I was waiting for (flat mount, internal routing, bottle boss under downtube) if its over £2k for a frameset with fork your now into some serious money and there are a lot of players in this space – at £1350 street price for v1 with fork and headset they were playing in their own league/space pretty much.

They will be buying the frames in roubles or dollars, so I guess some is Brexit, but other is just price hike. GF Ti Disc at ~£1600 street price £1800 RRP with fork and headset was what I was expecting.

Might get a Mason Bokeh instead, its Alu not Ti (they have a Ti model coming, but its £2.5K I read on road.cc) but I think Kinesis went to far with the price increase 🙁

Guess total frame price will depend on how much the “optional” fork is…

What size stem are people running on their tripsters? (especially anyone with a 57cm or 60cm frame…)

Anyone heard anymore on the v2 frame? The large 60cm frame was no longer listed on the upgrade website when I looked the other day.

If it does not appear soon, likely to buy a Mason Bokeh (alu) instead!

Hi all, great to see this thread alive still. I’m looking to replace the headset on my tripster but have been advised by a dealer the only replacement available is the FSA headset that the bike was supplied with. It seems a bit crazy that a mass produced bike only has one option in this regard, and I was rather hoping to get something blingy like a Chris king. Has anyone fitted a non fsa headset?

I thought Tripster was FSA No42 tapered? I am using an Aerozine on my carbon MTB with the same headset – should be lots choice?
Not sure you can use external Chris King if its internal headset though?

You can get out if you get in before the barrier is up, but some people have had break ins, might be better to park outside somewhere and ride in.

Parking on Forresters way just off the B3430 where the kebab van is if that helps, you need to fire track over to the red.

Best place to park at night used to be the swimming pool, as it was well lit carpark, but I think that’s still shut for complete rebuild.

Not seen any Deer at Swinley lately, but in the last week (on the road) I have nearly run over 3 squirrels – which you would assume would be difficult but one came pretty close to being under the front wheel!

My understanding is you can’t match road/MTB mech’s front/rear.

You can run both MTB mechs, or both road mechs, with any shifter, but you can’t mix the mech’s. I am no expert, I just read the internet. There was more on this a page or two back.

Also, see: http://e-tubeproject.shimano.com/pdf/en/HM-CC.3.0.0-01-EN.pdf

If your buying now, you want the latest bluetooth battery (external or seatpost) and either the XT MT800 display or the EW-WU101 wireless unit so you can adjust settings from a phone/tablet via bluetooth would be my advice. Again, not an expert – just pricing out options for my tripster build 😉

Is there any reason that I shouldn’t run the Tripster with 1×11 running a 46t or 48t up front?
I’d be using an XT or XTR rear mech with a Tanpan so it would still work with my Ultegra shifters.

Have you tried a gear calulator? Here are your two setups:
HTML 5 Gear Calculator 34t/50t & 11-28 vs 48t & 11-40
(you may need to select “gear inches” from the Display drop down to refresh the page after it loads).

Your gear range is basically the same, but you have 13-15% gear step on every shift with the single chainring, if you have the double compact you get close spacing above 22kph.

Personally I find more gears is more when touring around, more choice, better match to cadence.

whitecitadel: di2 on a tripster is also great because you can add shifters too the ends of your aerobars. Great for long-distance bike packing.

I’d fit MTB gears if starting from scratch. 30/32 is too high for repeated 20% hills and a fully loaded bike unless you are *very* fit.

Yes I saw that Mike Hall did that on his bike, very flexible (expensive) system. I have been doing some calculations and the XT really is great value, and from what I read as long as you run front/rear mech the same as MTB or Road you can mix – so you could go XT with drop bar RS785 shifters (hydraulic a must for me).

Depends what your riding I suppose, and how long its uphill, I can climb the big hill on local MTB route I ride on 24/22 (1.09), and 30/32 gives 0.983 – but that’s not “repeated hills” as you suggest. I actually just bought some 30/42 XTR cranks I might put on, the chainline is not identical to road though – might need creative spacing.

Of course if you went di2 with MTB shifters you could run a triple!

Waiting for pic of v2 frame at bike show at NEC, anyone seen one?

NB as a note to others they are 14mm nipples and the only place I could find black brass 14mm nipples ONLINE without going to US was a seller on eBay in Poland.

“bikestacjia” or something? they are good used them before, but did bike.de or bike-discount.de, rosebikes.co.uk or someone not have them? The german shops seem to really carry the full range of sizes and catalogue I find compared to the UK stores.

Trying to find a 142×12 DT Swiss rear hub with centerlock and 11spd shimano freebody, either 350 or 240s if the price was right, proving near impossible! (realise tripster is QR, building for tripster v2… when it comes… or Mason Bokeh if it doesn’t)

Price aside it bugs me though on a Tripster that you need battery power to shift, and if you were on a serious distance always be worried to have a problem that then needed a laptop to resolve….

I can see your point totally but at the same time Mike Hall won the Tour Divide running XTR Di2 and Josh Ibbot was running it on his Mason for the Trans Continental and from things I’ve read they both seemed to find it very reliable
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Agreed, in fact I just watched Mike Hall in the Race Across America on “BIKE” TV channel recently (2014) and he was also running Di then as less wear on fingers for monster distances every day for weeks.

As I said its interesting option as I have seen people running triples as well which is possible with Di2 and mixing road/MTB – I have nothing against it other than the “purity” of the idea of mechanical (oh, and the cost!)

of a training bike through the winter.
I’m toying with the idea of fitting it with Ultegra Di2 that way, from what I understand, it would be pretty much a case of plugging in the front mech and attaching it so it’s ready to go then unplug and remove the mech when I want to go back to 1×11.

Di2 is increasingly interesting prospect as you can mix road and MTB components and still use drop bars hydraulic shifters with XTR for example, even a triple.

Price aside it bugs me though on a Tripster that you need battery power to shift, and if you were on a serious distance always be worried to have a problem that then needed a laptop to resolve….

Whitecitadel – I’ve got a standard 36/46 set up on my cross bike at the moment and I’m definitely keen to widen things up front a bit on the Tripster.

Yes, the Kinesis wheels are good value but I’m not keen on alloy nipples… although I could just try upping my maintenance regime a bit

Matts – yes, it was the Middleburn one that would have done the trick but that rotor ringset looks superb.

I am planning 46/36 with the small ring swapped to make 46/34 as turnerguy also commented. I went wide when I built my MTB with 38/24 and 11-36 but later put an 11-32 on and now to be honest should have gone 11-28, depends how big a hill you plan to hit I suppose!

Run alloy nipples on my MTB, just had to re-tension and slightly true the rear wheel after a flat last week and had no problems. I did build wheel myself with dt Swiss rims, spokes and nipples, you can destroy the nipples if you over-tension (don’t ask how I know) I can’t see why not to use them if correctly assembled.

That rotor ring though does look the business… (Goes to investigate…)

beingktb – you can get a 46.36 crank in Ultegra, that would give you a low range double?

Kinesys wheels seem very good value for the money, low weight and come with hub adaptors for “all the standards”.

Anyone heard anymore on the V2 version of the frame Kinesis put in their catalogue at the start of the summer? Waiting for Bike Show at the end of the month I guess to announce?

Looking smart Jimmy, interesting contrast your ortliebs to eshootes apidura bags!

StackEd – might be interested, cant seem to find PM button, not sure if phone or user error! Will try again on pc tomorrow….

Lovely job on the rack – and internal wiring Dave.

Thanks for comments on gearing to all, interesting peoples thoughts. I have a 50/34 compact with 9 speed 11-32 I think cassette is on my boardman hybrid commuter, but MTB is 10 speed 38/24 with 11-36 and you would want more top end I think on a tourer (and I really only venture big end of cassette on most brutal climbs).

Looks like v1 stock running low, guess we will find out if they bring more v1 in or v2 is coming…

Oh, and takeiteasy did you need to “adjust” (aka bend) the Tubus to miss the brake caliper, or does the compact hydraulic not foul like the larker TRP cable brakes shown earlier in the thread?

argh, can’t believe work got in the way of the last two weeks of tripster dreaming 😆

slackboy & takeiteasy looking good, takeiteasy Kinesys put your pics up on twitter and facebook I noticed, 500+ views on flickr now! You built it as I plan to, right down to rack and guards, thanks for the vision of my vision! 😀

@jimmy yeah I think they changed their plans, they answered on twitter than they have more v1 frames coming in – and when I called upgrade long while back they told me they would launch v2 in September with the bike show in Birmingham. Some frame sizes are on +4 weeks back order (if you look at upgrade or Kinesis website).

I have read in multiple places the v2 frame will be:
(a) more expensive
(b) available without a fork for more options (so costing more overall)

I am still sitting on the fence, I want the 142×12 axle on the rear and inboard rear brake location with internal routing of the v2… but not enough to pay a heavy premium so may just go v1. I quite fancy a 15mm front fork as it would mean I don’t need yet another overpriced adapter for my thule roof carrier, but I just found out how much a 15mm axle hub dynamo is and may have gone off that idea!

Hows everyone doing with that 50/34 compact gearing? I think a triple like others have used is the ideal for a touring machine, but no shimano left hydraulic brake lever with triple shifter support at the moment 🙁

I know the older Ultegra had a triple crank… or you have lots good MTB options but don’t want to go cable brakes just to get a triple crank.

I wish the whole v1/v2 thing was clearer, keeping money in the wallet for now as don’t have time to build up and I don’t need it till “summer” but not willing to wait for winter for v2.

takeiteasy, slackboy, no pressure… but… PICTURES! 😆

Wiggle and CRC both have the “2016” (9mm QR & 12/15mm front axle & 12×142 adapters) wheelset for £315 I noticed. Since I first tried it last year I like to build wheels, but at that price/weight its hard to justify not buying a pair (plus 240s rear hubs in centrelock with 11spd road body’s are like rocking horse poo)

Good spot on the RT685 at probikekit, if your making your first order with discount would be cheaper still.

Getting itchy credit card finger… maybe I don’t need to wait for ATR v2?… 😉

@jimmy can I ask where you heard May for v2? (Read the same on twitter, see above).

@slackboy the 105 brakes fit with an adapter I thought? (Ok, defintly the rear I am now wondering about the front IS?)

Shame the £/€ is tanking, when I built MTB last summer got quite a few parts in from Germany saving some cash.

@slackboy @takeiteasy – how did you find “probikekit” to deal with ok? I saw their price earlier in the week, missed that 10% deal thanks for heads up! 😀

Just a word of caution for those frame shopping, I found a great price at “raceview cycles” for under £1300 plus 10% off… but they are registered in Ireland and some googling seems to suggest from a thread on another forum they are the new name for shiny bikes – which it looks like other people earlier in the thread did not have a good experience with. Caveat Emptor.

@takeiteasy I had the same conversation with Upgrade Bikes as well, but they have stock to shift dont forget… Kinesys twitter account said May FYI.

I really like the 142×12 as its becoming a standard and works well on my carbon MTB, the rear caliper mount inside the frame triangle is much neater and avoids rack mounting compatibility issues, and for some reason with my delusional dreams of touring I seem to think I need the 3rd bottle bosses for a fuel bottle. I am 100% with you on the £££ saving though of current frameset. I think the new one will either come with a more expensive 100×12 fork, or will come with no fork so you can choose the one that suits you from the Kinesys range. There is no dynamo hub in 100×12 I notice, but SP and SON do one in 15mm.

@slackboy The 105 groupset has the RS505 brakes not the BR-RS685 in the Ultegra by the way. v2 fork (at least on the pics I have seen) appears to have post mount not IS mount like the current fork.

I am building up a component list to build one, I can see as I am pretty set on hydraulic its going to cost me a lot more than I first planned… so torn now between saving money on current frameset or just going all in and waiting for the updated one…

What an epic thread… and a great looking frame, you should all be on commission as I am sold!

I like the look of the revised version though, has anyone heard any more about when it will be available? I saw May on twitter?

Although, a good price on the original could also persuade me 😉