Although, to be fair, not particularly worth discussing on here, granted. Try relaxed evenings, with loved ones, with humour, and maybe beer.

Yep, lapdancer, quite ugly, hence pain and suffering etc…

“worth pondering / discussing” – Is it? Is it really?

Good god yes! (IMHO/experience, anyway). So much heartache, confusion, fear, pain, stress etc could be avoided if people had a good understanding and acceptance of the issues around both their and their loved ones mortality. I have lost count of the number of old chests I’ve bounced up and down on pointlessly which is traumatic and upsetting for all involved.

+1 Samuri

I don’t think it is worth pondering/discussing how you prefer to die

Unfortunately, very few people do, until it comes to it, when it is often too late. Society’s last great taboo…

Me, I’m getting ‘DNR’ tattooed to my chest for my 75th birthday, if I reach it…

Quick and painless, preferably asleep, after a long and healthy life. Bit of a no brainer for me; if only we actually could specify! (without resorting to one way tickets to Switzerland…)

Wow, 20 year old memory’s reawakened! I used to love that stuff, even more so because it only used to come round occasionally…

MP9. Considerably cheaper than chips. Dilute to personal preference. Wear gloves unless you fancy skin drier than a 10,000 year old Pharaoh…

Interesting how often peanut butter crops up in this thread…

I personally like peanut butter and ketchup sarnies, by this reaction of my friends and colleagues, this is considered somewhat non traditional.

My only point was that I don’t think the frequency in which landowners shoot people are as high as has been implied.

Didn’t think that it was implied, other than people with guns tend to shoot people more often than people without guns, obviously. If I did imply that, then I apologise, it was not my intention.

believe me if you did you would lose ur friends’ in the shooting community, they dont like nut jobs.

And hopefully also be in prison, able to make a whole new set of less fussy friends? Lol.

I can completely see the argument that (legal) firearms owners are more law abiding than average, for the reasons you state as well as the fact that you are checked out before being given a licence. Is there any documented evidence? (sorry mcHamish, my turn for spoon-feeding now, you’ll have to use your own google)

BTW McHamish, I’m not actually quite sure what we disagree on?

So you’ve downgraded landowners shoot people to landowners are no better (or worse) than the rest of us?
Yeah. I see your point entirely now.

My point, or issue has always been with the implication made by ILMG that landowners (someone else brought gamekeepers into the equation) are somehow better than the rest of us. The point I have been trying to make is that they are no better or worse than anyone else, that’s all.

Of course I did. In amongst the pleasant activities such as poisoning various wildlife, shooting birds of prey and having lax respect for ammunition, there is a chap who shot someone for trying to pinch his car (harsh, but I can sympathise) drink drivers etc. My point is, human, like the rest of us. (and in possession of firearms). Would you like to be spoonfed more data? Or shall we accept that landowners/gamekeepers et al are no better (or worse) than the rest of us?

…I saw it on a documentary, on BBC 2…

Helicopter appropriate for either life threatening, difficult access, extended duration to hospital by road, or need for a specially qualified medic on scene (advanced airway, more drugs, etc). Sounds completely appropriate in this instance. For all you heros out there, well done for coping, bit be aware no two fractures are the same, depending on the pathology of the injury. ie; nerve, blood vessel, underlying organ involvement, etc.

Linky linky

A really quick google found these. I’m obviously not saying that gamekeepers and landowners are better or worse than anyone else, just that they are human and in possession of firearms, that’s all.

(and I’m not arguing for or against gun ownership, for the record)

Gamekeepers and landowners do not shoot people,

They both do and have done, on occasion. The fact that they have no right to is not in dispute.

ILMG, you said;

and dont act like lower class people

This is what I was referring to. If I misunderstood your meaning, then I am, of course, very sorry.

Again agreed, obviously. Where I disagree with you is when you seem to assume that people with land are somehow more ‘civilised’ than those less fortunate. More to lose maybe, better manners, probably. But strip away the thin veneer of socialisation and the same animal is beneath. There are eejits, numpties and downright bad eggs in ALL strata of society, regardless of wealth or favour.

(I also like to hope there’s plenty of decent people at all levels of society, although sometimes I do wonder)

that’s because is not their land. Just because some one is on youre land it does not make it right to try and shoot at them.

Agreed, of course. Unfortunately not always the view of shotgun toting landowners though; although less common these days, land disputes still represent a high proportion of non-urban firearms incidents.

Also, technically its not your land either, it all belongs to the Crown. You just happen to possess the right to look after it for free; the freehold deeds.

dont act like lower class people

To be fair, you don’t often hear ‘GET ORF MOI LAND’ shouted in council estates though, do you? It’s often the ‘landed’ amongst us that have the biggest issue with public access.

I am not one usually to be easily fazed; however I do admit to a mild sense of forboding when asked to respond to a treble nine at an address on a road named ‘Worlds End’….

Nice Rangie… looks just like my dads. VM diesel :| or V8 :twisted: ?

Anybody?

Check for rust in; boot floor, sills, outriggers, inner wings. Mechanically nice, old school motors, unfortunately let down by some poor materials, like a lot of cars of that era. What sort of off road do you mean? Competitions? Fundays? Greenlanes? Or hunting’ shootin’ and a fishin’?

Enjoy your landrover buddy, it’s more than just a car…

Makes going top a camping store over in the states interesting,

Or even Wallmart…

Milk- check
Sugar- check
Twinkies- check
Pump action shotgun- what the?!?… Check

Double post sorry

It’s warm, but that’s not the problem. When it’s hot in the UK it tends to be humid and not very breezy, which for me makes it less pleasant to be active in. That said, I get out whatever the weather, I don’t ride as much as I would like anyway, without being weather fussy!

And let’s not forget that petrol will never be this cheap again.

Christ, thats a sobering thought…

Diesel peugeot estate owners club ftw! :lol: for people who spend ten times more cash on a push bike than they do on their car…

Brilliant, Thanks peeps. anyone spotted any better prices than Wiggle or CRC recently? or selling any?

+1 for the diesel peugeuot estate, in my case a 306. Bought mine for £300, I’ve done 50k+ in it, and its cost me literally peanuts to keep running smoothly. It’s boot is bigger than my C class Merc estate, plenty for a couple or more bikes, (although I swear by a towball thule) and it does 50mpg all day long. Doesn’t rust, either… I take a perverse pleasure in the fact it does everything a car that costs twenty or thirty times as much does, just as well.

Any piccys?

does the wheel still feel stiff? Still running true? Spokes missing near each other or not?

If all above positive, i’d be inclined to risk it, allbeit with the knowledge in the back of your mind whilst riding. I think wheels tend to fail non-catastrophically as a general rule, although there are always exceptions…

take a phone with you, and keep the wheel on the ground and you should be ok…

I’ve got the MT 42s and I’m happy with them. they’ve lasted well through quite heavy use in winter, and they are nice and low profile, they don’t shout ‘bike shoe’ if you know what I mean. They are a bit clicky to walk around in, not the cleats, just hard rubber and inflexible sole, which is good on the bike. (this may be the same with most spd style shoes; these are my first)

I wear euro 43 which I believe is 8 1/2 to 9ish, and I wear size 42 norman shoes. I think they are quite narrow, but that suits me.

Cheaper at CRC too

Hope this helps bud.

Brill, thanks guys :D

Excellent :lol:

Hmmm differing opinions… interesting. I suppose I should strip the bb and take a look at the condition of the, ummm, shell? then decide on a course of action

or…

cheap at half the price…

but adapters would future proof you.

Cheers Old’un!

Just to clarify, Is the BB shell the actual frame tube itself? like the headtube? Do I need an ‘extractor’? My current crankset is a truvativ isis drive thingy.

Could you point me towards the right tools? ta again

Mick, email sent. Let me know if you don’t get it. Ta