this thread is deppressing as it is.
here is my plan. try to steal enough cash and escape to sunny places.

ok thanks. Ive done several munros over the years , just Ben Macdui not yet.

Spin why not push up to Carn a Mhaim ? Is Sron Riach better way to get tto top of Macdui ?

and for information ETT alone means nothing if you dont take seatube angle into consideration.

my previous bike was large remedy 2013

apologies to all. i messed up reach number. of course..
the reach of 458 mm new bike and 440 old bike.

does it sound like ?
nope.. i am not confused pal. I am talking about reach and riding dh , aka riding in standing position..

doesnt help really. tried various heights.

tomaso : if you read previous posts , then you would know..
howdoo : thanks looks interesting , but there are choices from brands i trust more ( 650b enduro , kona 153

chief : shorter fork is silly. same can be achieved with more sag
anyway I tried offset shock bushings to rise or lower bb on my previous bikes for various reasons.
perhaps offset bushing to rise bb few mm to steepen SA in combination with angle headset to slacken front could work , but that would make reach even longer than I would like + wheelbase would rise also.
medium sized bikes could be potentially great maybe with that adjustment.
(stock HA 66 / SA75 -> offset bushing plus angleset to 65/76 . reach should remain about same I think 5 mm change maybe – not problem)

giant reign geo on large :
457 reach, 435 CS ,65HA,73.5 SA
what i would like it to be:
450 reach, 425ish CS , 65HA , 75+ SA and less bb drop (10mm higher bb for pedal clearance)

that would make bike more agile and still plenty stable ( about 2 cm less wheelbase)

absolutely ben. well designed 150 mm suspension linkage is always better than average 160 mm. Actually my remedy 9.9 150 mm back /160mm front .
In the end I needed to swap it for some slacker bike. If it was possible to run the frame with -1.5ish angleset , then I would most likely kept riding it..

owned 150 mm remedy. was sweet , just not as good as 160 in a really rough stuff.

rickon : you are correct.
right now i have 40 mm rise renthal bar 50mm zero rise stem and 2 mm spacer under stem on my Large Reign. I run my bar rotated slighly more towards back to decrease reach slightly and I like it a lot. Hence why I think 450 reach would suit me best.

Nope.I didn’t know who Ben Pinnick is. ironic joke frankyl as I now want that 650b enduro. good job with the joke. Sorry Ben. ( here in scotland I want 160 mm travel)

650b enduro is bang on (quiet impressed – as i did not expect this brand to come with this SA at all)

kimbers : wow indeed. thanks although not completely perfect SA is steeper as you said but 75 is ok as with 1 degree angle headset ( workscomponents it would slacken it to 64.5 nad SA would be closer to 76. ‘only’ 153 mm travel though.

yes sagged Effective SA – on full sussers when both fork and shock sag , then it doesn’t matter frankly as the result would be more or less same sagged or unsagged

benpinnick:
what bike is it please?

effective angle ( the virtual line from BB to saddle ,just to clarify) is what I need. Just found out pole bikes have actual SA around 77.5 which is crazy steep maybe even overkill ??!)

sillyoldman : what bike are you riding ? effective SA is next big thing in geometry evolution . effective at correct sag

sillyoldman : not true. from my experience effective saddle is most important . moving saddle does help a bit , but does not feel same actually.
73.5 SA reign with saddle to front pedal worse than my previous bike 75 SA with centered saddle.

to wiggles : why is it pointless or rather why is seatube length important when it comes to reach numebr? ok so if it has to be seatube must be short enough for 150 mm reverb so lets say 445-450ish ( shorter seatube is best – saves frame weight)

jam bo : i owned 4 full sussers and was experimenting with stem lenghts/ handlebar upsweep/backsweep and also height ( steerer spacers) many times on each frame , so somparing each frameset geo the numbers are bang on what i want – please note that I included some geometry tolerances that would be within my desired handlicg charasteristics of a frame with 50 mm stem.

benpinnick : yes you have valid point but in reality that does not matter. with that extra SA steepness I will be able to pedal uphills without need to bend my back/get my torso above stem – super comfort uphills + front wheel glued to steepest firetrack , but most importantly when standing and shredding downhills , saddle will be in perfect position – out of way when moving around bike/ getting behind saddle etc + added benefit of using saddle to steer with my thighs for better cornering (one of my previous framesets SA was 75 and it was excellent )

no i dont want to set up my bike as other people. i just want to know what they like and why

film is original and i like the fact it force a viewer to actually use brain.

i will get x2 ..

thanks tom finally some real insight

nah thanks. i will keep rt for now. i packed it full with red rubber and run it at 35% sag today. was riding nicely.

scotland Tayside (arbroath)

would you consider to let me try it ? i would pay you some cash. cant really justify buying it without knowing for sure that it provides noticable performance boost.

200×57

yeah coil fork is nice ( been using marzocchi 55 coil fork last 2 seasons) but now i am getting lyrik 650b. I plan to get vorsprung luftkappe soon too. should make it behave almost like coil ( i had vorsprung corset air can on my remedy and it was very good) basically it will increase negative air chamber to increase small bump grip of fork and simultaneously add more progresivity of suspension also.

i know that site well.
my previous remedy or slayer performed better under braking – wheel kept tracking the ground , but on reign it suddenly feels like hardtail almost. sudden loss of traction

I owned about 4 different full suss bikes over past 6 years and currently have reign. My previous bikes were: canyon strive ( first generation linkage driven singlepivot) Rocky mountain slayer (horst link variant), trek remedy 9.9 ( full float single pivot) and now the reign.

strive –
decent antisquat ( minimal pedal bob) linear leverage ratio ( blow through travel with large air volume shock – but also super plush and loads of traction) , brake jack – suspension locked under braking , pedal kickback noticable. cornered really nicely – low bb , low standover clearance was wee bit annoying

rm slayer –
nice progressive linkage system – no brake jack or pedal kickback but fair amount of pedal bob ( not issue with added low speed comp or propedal) – very good overall- I miss that frame actually – very well designed proper dh slayer 😀

trek remedy – no brake jack , apparent pedal bob , decent bike just not so good for proper dh enduro ( not too slack headangle). I would have kept it if it was possible to install works components headset to slacken it down to 65. bottom bracket was too high and reach was not too long so I did not feel too confident on bike on steep stuff , however excellent allrounder.

giant reign – very high leverage ratio ( requires loads of pressure in shock for correct sag) brake jack is noticable , pedal bob is acceptable, pedal kickback not issue , currently running it with coil shock and it performs rather nicely compared to stock rt shock ( 500 coil/ 28% sag) – really nice great traction yet poppy when needed . bottom bracket is low , headangle is slack , reach is good also. corners well . this is my first 650b frameset. bike requires proper attacking position to really get best from it as all my previous bikes were shorter in reach value by about 25 mm so still getting used to it. bike is fast!
headtube is standard taper!
What is your current frame?

reason behind my question is simply to find out the average wheel trail.
so if the modern dh bike is around 62ish headangle and fork has 52 mm offset then the wheel trail would be around 130 mm (650b) and 131 mm on 26er – both basically same.
i recently started geeking about it a lot as i was in past trying offset shock bushing with works components headset.
seems like enduro bike manufacturers aim for 115 mm trail.

reason behind my question is simply to find out the average wheel trail.
so if the modern dh bike is around 62ish headangle and fork has 52 mm offset then the wheel trail would be around 130 mm (650b) and 131 mm on 26er – both basically same.
i recently started geeking about it a lot as i was in past trying offset shock bushing with works components headset.
seems like enduro bike manufacturers aim for 115 mm trail.

to dhrider
my 2 season old hope pro 2 hubs , sapim bladed aero spokes , dt pro lock brass nipples , flows mk3

i suspect people saying its reasonable could very well bike a bike shop workers. ?

alright folks . thanks for the interesting replies.
Next time i wont assume..
( as for the ‘apparently’ word – ignore that. that is my fault of misunderstanding the english language – never actually checked the correct meaning of it from a dictionary :D)

wiggles.. stop trolling me. you are not funny. my wages wont allow me to pay full rrp so i have to buy from online shops to afford my hobby…

yes. its my fault being dumb not asking before and ultimately being lazy and lacking patience to build it myself ! but not anymore. next wheelset will be done by me! I do understand that bike shops need some support , but that is hardly acceptable. 70-80 is maximum i was prepared to pay really.