Can we just keep the trolling ironic instead of nasty?

Again, we are all actually much closer in opinion than you think, you’re just all jumping down each others throats again for **** sake. I fon’t think there are any hardcire MRAs or SJWs on here.

Keep it interesting, and the goading amusing. *gets popcorn*

He always did look a bit rapey….

Chief, you need more upper body strength to cope with flat bars. Part of the point of risers is to have you in a slightly more neutral position that fatigues you less on long descenfs.

To be hoest, I agree eith Dean – cranked right open my FAST pikes were too soft.

MBR thinks the 2018 36 is comfier than the Lyrik as well…

and yet they are managing to fo that with risers and 200mm forks…..

Chief, then either your maths are wrong when taking into account the location of rider mass or the most successful DH team ever are getting the weight distribution wildly wrong. They aim for 50/50 weight distribution on an average 5 percent slope which means that they aimed with the V10 for a 45/55 weight distribution.

It stands to reason then that your enduro bike that is designed for shallower tracks would be better suited to a steeper track than the v10. Chainlines argument for longer reaches in enduro, like you, is also predicated on the basis of shallower tracks.

You are simply calculating weight distrubution of the bike under static sag, ie not weighted by the rider.

If downhill bikes are better suited to the steep, why then did someone quote enduro bikes as having a more rearward weight bias than a V10.

Downhillers run long stems and or high bars as the top of the forks get in the way… Well that’s part of it

Well, no… because most of them run so many spacers and rise you could put a 0mm direct mount stem on them.

if you’re racing and searching for tenths then it would be worth finding the best bar heights for each track

Warner would tell you that you were wrong, where possible you should be keeping your bike exactly the same for consistency. Maybe tweaking compression and PSI here and there and if need be… as in going from Champerry to somewhere flat… spring rate at the rear.

I dont have to cite, finance in London is either full of posho white kids or local Asian kids – who have access to London from a young age.

Because it’s true. Your choices have been made within a far wider framework than others. If you don’t acknowledge this then you can’t fix it. I know it’s not palatable, or pleasant to accept you (the generic you, not you personally) have has a head start in life, but it is true.

Maybe, but minority youngsters in London have far more opportunities than white males in Grimsby. The danger is that you have a generation of minority kids who think they are hard done by and that all white people are privileged and out to **** them. I’ve met youngsters like that brfore and it is partly what fuels terroriam.

Why has privilege or lack of it, become a game of one upmanship to see who is top of the victim pile?

Kerley, a white working class male from the north has less opportunity than a black female in the south. I don:t know many white working class lads working in finance up tet north.

The depths of Trumps stupidity.

Santa Cruz landed on 45/55 with their V10 didn’t they…..with tall bars and tall forks. Aiming for a 50/50 even weight distribution on a course with an average gradient of 5%. Note, when they arrived at those numbers for Minaars bike – they didn’t do it by dropping his bars – they did it by lengthening the chainstay.

I think you’ll find that their TT’s are longer now than they have even been.

Still way off geometrons and you still don’t see that many 35mm stems floating around.

but is the the COG on a motorbike not vastly different.

I don’t think it’s vastly different, last time I checked I saw 45/55 numbers being thrown around – not too different to what I’ve seen for mtb.

That’s not entirely true either, why else would a lot of the downhillers be running shorter top tubes and 60mm stems? They’re doing it to weight the front wheel. For me, shorter stems were a way to counter wider bars and longer wheelbases whilst keeping your body in roughly the same position.

I don’t think it takes more effort to exert pressure on the front wheel with taller bars. I reckon, if you put two scales on either wheel and measured weight distribution – you’d see very little difference between two bar heights three inches apart.

I dont believe for a second that you cant extert as much downward pressure on bars that are inches apart in height. You can get over the top of them and drive down into the wheels no matter what height they are set at.

Higher bars will also give less movement, as there is less space to move.

When have you ever, seriously, run out of space by hitting your chest on the bars – except in a crash? Again, if flat bars and low stack was so great for off road riding – mxers would be doing it.

If you mean taller bars allow you to be thrown over the front more easily, not really – as you should be carrying most of your weight through your legs and resisting impacts by dropping your heels.

That’s not because they put you further over the back of the bike all the time, but because they allow your arms a bigger movement range and because you’re leveraging the bike around the rear axle from a higher point.

You can stay in exactly the same forward attack position on a bike with higher bars, only your elbows are going to be a bit more bent – however – the vast majority of your body mass is still going to be in exactly the same place and it is still going to be weighting the bike up – for all intents on purposes in exactly the same way.

You just have to consciously weight the front more, which with practice – becomes second nature – at the same time higher bars can give you more movement range in your upper body.

If flat bars were teh awesomez for gravity riding, mxers would be doing it considering the amount of time they spend in flat corners.

If you believe Chris Porter (and I remember right from his talk), shorter bikes should have higher bars and longer bikes should have lower bikes HOWEVER… for both, the bb to centre of the bars should be the same for the same person.

Porter is wrong, that is going to flatten your back more and cause you to stoop over the bike more to bend your arms. I have to go taller the longer my bike gets.

Ill say it again, flat bars are a crutch in terms of weighting the front. Your head has enough mass to do that and veer a motorbike off course.

Service… plus tune… plus MRP kit is the best part of the coat of the coil…. ahem

My coiled 36 is still more compliant yet more supportive than my coil pike.

Im just interested because people think you can make what I think is a great fork… better.

… and then legalize…. or stop taxing…. drugs, tobacco, booze, driving without a seatbelt, privateering, 18th century style mercenary/private armies, gladiator combat, slavery of thickies so we can launch them into the kuiper belt to mine asteroids… to reduce the tax burden a bit :twisted:

The world and the UK are not overpopulated, just over consuming. Reduce the consumption and far more life can be supported (not just humans).

Considering how idiotic people are, I’d say it’d be better to just sterilize 6 billion of them.

Too many morons on a daily basis as it is…

Notice the woman can make this choice unilaterally without needing consent from her male partner, a couple of my mates have planned to have children with their wives at pre agreed later dates, only for the woman to decide it’s now time and to take herself off the pill without telling her partner….yey for equality!

*troll mode on* This is why men need legal abortion with a time limit, where they can practice their right to choice by financially absolving themselves of childcare in a legal sense *troll mode off* :twisted:

Also, shouldn’t having sex under a false pretense be classed as rape?

Wait till yer see a big fat **** eagle owl through the scope of your rifle during a creepy misty dusk.

That was a wtf moment.

Oh and we had panthers….

**** raccoons…. pahhh

Yup, love Giants – my Reigns been bombproof, stiff despite the two piece rocker link and it weighs as little as many carbon frames. They are the Honda of the MTB world.

Ive seen Hopes going for cheaper than CRC…. if that helps.

How close are the Fit 4 and RC2 E16 tunes? Simple job of replicating the E18 tune in the RC2? Have they done that on purpose to keep the RC2 the racers fork?

There are three tunes – the E49 (the original 2015), the E16 and the E18

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/fox-factory-tuning-programme-makes-it-easier-and-cheaper-than-ever-to-upgrade-your-fox-suspension-50449/

What you guys are saying, seems to go against what that article says.

The weight difference without braided Hose between the V4 and E4 is about 30-40 grams.

Just type V4 standard hose into google….to buy it with the standard hose.

Alltricks have the weights listed if…

336g for the V4 with the standard hose
294 for the E4 with the standard hose

Braided hose adds around another 40g if I remember correctly.

My DHX2 settings, he advised me to run the HSC wide open and control travel use with the LSC.

I get the feeling he varies the setups quite wildly depending on the rider. I didn’t get on with his settings on the rear tbh – my setup is somewhere between his and the stock settings.

You can order them without the braided Hose, if you go through your LBS or certain online shops.

E4’s feel as powerful as Shimano single pot brakes to me – but with better feel/modulation and reliability.

V4’s are much closer to Saints in power, but again – the power is more progressive, the initial bite feels a bit softer.

I’d always go with the V4 minus the braided hoses – as once you remove the braided hose the weight penalty is only about 30g per end.

Lower oil volumes?

Here’s that article

Mojo Suspension | Fox Suspension Tuning

I think that might have been for the older 2015 fork…

PUSHes recommendations are – LSC 12 out HSC 14 out rebound 12 out. I’ve gone to 11 out from closed on Rebound, and 5 out on both LSC and HSC. Although at the minute I can’t tell a huge amount of difference in the clicks – the adjusters are more subtle – where as if I dropped the HSC past 5 clicks from fully open on the FAST Pike – it would start wildly blasting through it’s travel on the faces of jumps….as if it was a mid speed adjuster.

Chris had me set up my DHX2 very fast, so he does seem to be a fan of fast suspension – I had to tone the settings down when I was using the Pike as his settings simply bucked me off jumps wildly. I have been speeding the shock up incrementally since I got the 36 though, as it seems to have balanced the bike out better in the air.

PUSH only seem to recommend a damper tune if you’re lighter or heavier than average, they seem to be quite happy with the standard ’18 tune – so I’m now all the more curious.

So we’re all roughly the same weight, 81kg here – and two of you are using lighter damping tunes? This surprises me – I’d like to try it. How many of you are using more than 20 percent sag? I’m not sure I could cope with more sag and a lighter damping tune – either a lighter spring and heavier damping – or perhaps marginally more blow off on the high speed damping.

I’m running around 20 percent sag with my PUSH Green spring. I get all but an inch and a half of travel with 20 PSI in the bottom out spring – on BPWs Insufficient Funds.

There was an interesting article in one of the other magazines where Chris tuned the suspension on a writers Mondraker Dune – he set the forks up with a couple of clicks of low speed suspension….and almost closed on the high speed!

So there seems to be a few ways to skin a cat with the 36s, I want to play with some setups so I can understand the fork more – as it’s quite different to the FAST Pike I was running – that I got my head around (still better though).

Any way to contact the crazy buggers?

Lighter oil would alter the damping deep into the stroke as well.

How heavy are you?

One of the biggest issues with the RS piston is that it has too much flow, the FAST damper upgrade actually flows less through the piston from what I have read. Odd that the Adreani kit does the opposite.

I asked mostly out of interest.

Kimbers what you are doing (and it’s not just you it’s just you posted above) is trying to turn this into some sort of political / class war

And your issue with that is?

Also, that is rich coming from a “**** the elites” Trump supporter.

Drill one out?