Cheers for the input guys, its good to get a real world opinion. I could get an estate but I was lusting after a van (t5, transit) but decided I could get a better people carrier for the money. Having the Elgrand previously showed me how much more space they really have over an estate, as I had 3 estates before it.
I get what people are saying about budget but I paid sub 2 grand for my Elgrand and while it was an older car (1997) it was spot on reliability wise. With all the new 4×4 style cars they are a bit unfashionable at the moment so I have seen some bargains about but I know what people mean about buying a dog though.
I was half thinking something French or Euro but I had my doubts about reliability, I am glad you have steered me in the right direction.
I looked at the Carens and the Verso but in my head they seem a bit small? I think I need to see one in the flesh.
At the moment I am thinking some type of Ford and maybe lower my mpg expectations, a Mitsubishi Grandis, maybe a Mazda 5 but I need to do more research on them or a Kia Sedona (why did timba mention 2006 onwards? Were there issues before then?)