My bikes are worth way more than the car, and my bikes aren#’t worth that much.

Expensive cars are the daftest things ever 🙂

If it wasnt a marin it would look quite similar to some of the bikes i’ve sene on here 🙂

Ha, thats what i meant 🙂

Nothing in itself. In fact that’s something I’d encourage if it involves walking or riding a bike instead of using a car, having more efficient cars, or turning down the thermostat. The trouble comes when reducing the use of fossil fuels has other impacts – such as destroying a whole ecosystem in order to generate tidal energy.

Is that any different from destroying a whole ecosystem digging up oil (threats to develop reserves under the artic tundra), or a whole country (Iraq)?

Sadly, all we are doing is moving the problem elsewhere – NIMBYism on a national scale

aracer – Member

Why is it dangerous?

Because you make the wrong decisions if the reasoning for those decisions is flawed.

True, but what is dangerous about reducing fossil fuel use and the associated emissions?

I have no problem at all with limiting consumption and doing our best to limit our impact on the environment – we should do more than we do. But basing all our decisions on such flawed science as is still being used to support the case for AGW is extremely dengerous.

Why is it dangerous?

AGW-aside, we still have a very finite amount of oil, so we need to move to something else very soon anyway

The governments have a vested interst in oil as it is the currency of the west – oil supplies reduce, the dollar goes tits up and the west goes medievil

Ransos – good links!

I could go mental replying to this

Spongebob and anyone else who questions the science of Climate, Please read:

Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change
The Hot Topic – Gabrielle Walker and David King
The Gaia Series of books – James Lovelock
The Party’s Over – Richard Heinburg

and view the following

Synopsis of Stern Review – http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006/oct/30/economy.uk

The economics of climate change:

http://www.climatechangeecon.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=27

History of climate change research:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/

The late medieval warm period

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html

What we learned in 2008:

http://www.nature.com/climate/2009/0901/full/climate.2008.142.html

And then come back with your opinion. Ill-informed opinion is blighting the whole climate issue – I could lecture people all day on this issue but unless they are informed its completely pointless.

Energy security goes hand in hand with climate change as the biggest thing humanity has to face. War and terrorism are just side-lines

Deny that Anthropengic Atmopheric warming is occurring all you like – you have to see that we still must cut down on fossil fuel use and move to alternative energy ASAP regardless if we are to continue out modern society in a recognisable form to what it is now. When the oil runs out, or we cant afford to buy it anymore, we cant eat, travel, heat or light ourselves.

And please learn the difference between Climate and Weather, and Global Warming and Climate Change

Quad frames have existed since 2004, but they changed style in 2007 to the more recent design 🙂

I’ll stop being a pedant 🙂

ah ok cool, i’ll try the pads and it has a hole so i’ll try one of the hangers too.

Thanks!

What age frame?

Kinda, shortened for ease of use 🙂