i promise not to mention religion….. or single speeders….. or patriotism!

freegan bikefascist you're probably right, nl was specific about "equivalent priced". it's not realistic to compare alfine to top end 3×9 as there would be a huge price difference and therefore have completely different customer base.

as for unsprung weight i agree, there's no point having suspension then have loads of weight the wrong side of it. my point to glenh was that i'd doubt it would have much effect on the way the suspension operates, several hundred grams may have shifted to the rear wheel but this is nothing compared to the biggest moving mass on the bike i.e. the rider, who could weight anything from 50-110 kg (4-9 times the weight of the bike itself), that's a hell of a lot of range for a suspension system to cope with nevermind the fact that it's not fixed in one place.

personally i'm less concerned about the range, as long as i can gear 1st to match a 3×9 1st i'd be happy, it would mean i'm missing my 3 highest gears but i only ever use those on down hill road sections, though i think the gaps are slightly bigger on the 11 (not so keen on that) so i'd actually only lose my top 2 ratios.

anyway, only 6 months to wait, i need to get some bits together!

as there's much speculation and not much in the way of facts about the extra weight of an alfine bike over conventional 3×9 set-up i decided to do some digging.

i've just had an email from charge bikes and it says,

"There is virtually no difference in overall weight (less than 100g from memory), between a duster 8 and equivalent priced duster with conventional gearing."

obviously there is a rearward weight shift with the alfine but this answers any overall weight questions.

so, after 51 posts by 32 stw experts i conclude that black is not black but is in fact a grey area :lol:

faith no more – easy
rush – summertime blues

but my all time favourite;

russel watson & shaun ryder – barcelona

EDIT;

clicky

love new minis, had a cooper when they first came out, switched to honda type r (fast but bland as a very bland thing)for 18 months then back to cooper s, however, clubman just doesn't do it for me. to live with it's probably the same as the 3 door, downside… very harsh ride, forget trying to carry anything in it (clubman is slightly bigger but still small), upside… puts a smile on your face and every journey is a mini adventure.

friends, fun, mucky, scary, knackering, fresh air, simple.

oh dear 8O that is clearly destined for the nichest of niche markets in nicheshire.

this new job? will you enjoy it?

just used confused for the first time and saved £80, bollocks to decorating, got £853 for the montesa off ebay on saturday, £46 for a trials helmet and £40 for a bike stand… all going to the full susser fund :lol:

lol, but not a nice thought

matthewmountain – I want an Orange 5….for under £2K.

they start at £1999.99 which when i was at school was under £2000 so you can have exactly what you want!

took my first trail pic yesterday so thought i'd use it to bump this thread back to the front page. my evo4 and maverick boys alfine'd 29er purple on-one at the top of worcesterhsire beacon, sunday 07-03-10.

you won't miss much but if you keep the tv you have the choice of watching or not.

unfortunately i have to agree and though i would like to think that sir bob didn't start the band aid ball rolling with a view to accumulating personal wealth, i can't help but think that had he done nothing in 1984 we wouldn't now be calling him sir bob but bob who?

of course the media circus that now surrounds television has created a new bread of fame and money hungry scavenger. mrs mcgroo tells me that someone has written on davina mccalls twitter page calling her a media hoar (or words to that effect), apparently she's doing some charity walk for sport relief, very commendable and no doubt will raise some money but how much will she benefit with extra and continued publicity? difficult to quantify but probably far in excess of what she is helping to raise.

not knocking davina mccall, most tv people are at it. watching motd last night, alan shearer, could get any job in football but he (or his manager) ain't stupid, there's loads of money in football but there's more money to be made in tv.

was it bought to the attention of the university by someone who didn't score as highly as they thought they should?

exactly, another case of much-a-do-about-****-all political correctness!

glenh – I don't think I would like an extra Kg at the end of my swingarm – that's nearly a whole extra wheel and won't translate into great suspension performance

I wouldn't have thought it would have any effect on suspension performance as it's unsprung weight but stand to be corrected.

i want an 11 speed, was going to make a hardtail but having ridden full sussers for the first time last sunday and ridden full suss and hardtail back to back at cannock on wednesday i'm now thinking full sus alfine.

with a better range and price more comparable with derailleurs i wonder if any manufacturers will consider making full sus alfine models?

ignore me… i'm on another planet!

i hope you mean xc. cx or "plastic maggot" to use its more common name is an entirely different can of worms that older viewers may know about 8O

put it in the building society, be worth a risk free £1003.38 (even more than you want) in 2080.

altogether now….

We're gonna win the cup,
We're gonna win the cup,
And now yer gonna believe us,
We're gonna win the cup.

or the new version…

We're gonna win the cup,
We're gonna win the cup,
now stop reading all that tabloid shit, get off john terry's back and get behind your team and help 'em bring the best trophy in the world home for the first time in 44 years, beating brazil and germany and whoever else they chuck at us either in 90 minutes or on penalties and now you better believe us cos we want pma and non of those negative vibes man,
We're gonna win the cup.

quite catchy, don't you think? :wink:

west kipper – Its WHAT they say that should be taken note of

have to disagree slightly, i think foot said what he thought and believed in what he said. i think brown and cameron say what they think we want to hear and don't sound like they believe any of it 8O

just a difference of opinion…. but then that's politics!

therealhoops – the lions are French

andybach – The 3 Lions are actually Welsh

whatever… they're on my shirt, it says england above them and it's still the best badge :wink:

therealhoops – it's only a union jack when it's on the back of a frigate

Nico – A "jack" is worn at the FRONT of a warship

whatever… you and 61,126,829 other people (well about 24 actually) knew what i was talking about :wink: :wink:

whatever your political views it's difficult to deny that he was a great public speaker, he grabbed your attention and was passionate with it, don't recall anyone since maggy, john smith and to a certain extent paddy pantsdown to be like that. the current crop of front line politicians sound anything but convincing! tj for pm.

it's the best

EDIT: and the three lions is the best badge and the union jack is the best flag (after st.georges cross of course)

well at least it would be nice to have an explanation.

maybe if i'd explained that two totally unconnected people, living 60 miles apart had conveyed remarkably similar stories proving that the story is in fact "urban myth" and that i was just warning other forum users in a sort of public information kind of way, it would have stayed on 8O

why though?

that'd be seller not selling…. bollocks, it's contagious 8O

i want some of those hydrolick brakes :wink:

talking or retards, here's another

clicky

do they teach computer skills before reading and writing at school now, i've read this a few times but still haven't got a **** clue what this selling is going on about :?

with a sprinkling

yes i know but at least i won't be disapointed!

class :lol:

ds3000 – In regards to the mock-Georgian garage door, I'm currently staying at my in-laws in New York where this style is highly popular

that explains it…. everything in new york is mock something :wink:

had to look that up = Now Show Friends & Workmates.

just kidding, i'll edit the post.

what are those georgian style garage doors all about? they never even had garages in georgian times!

nice bike but there's something missing, where's the alfine?

rOcKeTdOg – snow had gone by 9am

i know but at 7 there was an inch or so and the skys looked full of it. working on the basis that britain shuts down when it snows and suddenly a 5 minute journey takes 1 hour then it would have taken 24 hours to get there :!:

tazzymtb – we'll be night riding this week and have spare lights

tazzy i didn't think you needed bike lights at cannock in the dark, i thought you just flashed your car headlights :wink:

mk1fan –
Will fit it tomorrow and post some pics.

tomorrow? been waiting 5 days, are you a plumber?

done geneva to chamonix a couple of times with easy rent-a-car. cheap and easy. give yourself extra time to get the car back (eating, traffic, getting lost etc) as if you're late they start charging, we cut our first trip a bit tight, had about 30 seconds to spare :!:

pissing me off now… got a text at 7 this morning to say our ride at cannock was off… arse. :evil: