yes but there not to everyones taste, you want the accessories section

garston is ok but dont go “under the mud”, allerton , calderstones, mossley hill and aigburth all nice places, nearest riding is delamere though. speke is a shithole of epic proportions. lived in liverpool til i was 22 and just moved back to mossley hill in the week, so if you see some where let me know and ill give you the low down. alright kidda!!!

I would also have a look at the, Contract (rights of third parties) Act 1999

ok bit more digging on the net, snake pass is closed from Bamford to Glossop and i drove frome crookes to rivlin about 30 mins ago and it was so bad i turned around and ive driven it it some shitty weather. Woodhead pass is still open but thre is warning of ice. steveh tis a small world eh?

there are no mountains in holland , but it was only a joke the is plenty of good riding /riders there

Dutch mountainbiking?

went for a walk round ladybower, brilliant. asked a few riders what it was like they said good fun but lots of pushing , im going out tomorrow to have a play i’ll only regret it if i dont

Got a Rab, would buy a Alpkit

1200 for a 2008 5 spot in the sales think it was a good deal stuck an xt groupset with wheels on it from merlin about 550 i think and some pikes had the rest of the bits. about 2200 all together which i think is a lot of bike for the money

djglover

lol

too both questions it is a secret

Formaggio were did you get that picture of us from 😀 Not to worry found somewhere now

thanks

Tim

you ask me where my “facts” come from about Howies and i am afraid i dont have any facts only opinions, i had and still do in many ways, a great respect for Howies but have felt that since the Timberland takeover some of the essance of what made Howies unique and great has been lost and a somewhat more corporate ethos has emerged. I just got this feeling through the catalogues and to a lesser extent the website. Many of my thoughts echo that of bomberman, the packaging and catalogues seem to conflict with Howies save the world imagery as you say

“The howies® spring 2009 catalogue is done.

It’s all about footprints. “

I think it has just gone a bit too far in the live of the land, beautiful people doing something exciting in San Francisco south africa sort of thing. Many of the people i see wearing Howies nowadays get out their audi/ bmw they have just driven 1 mile down the road to buy there organic veg.

Why base much of your production in Thailand , China etc. I have no knowledge of your factory standards. Do you release such infomation as i have never found it readily available?

I also find other contradictions ,
Why do you transport merino half the way across the world are there no other more enviromentally suitable materials that could be used? How about a study of the Carbon footprints of merino vs synthetic base layers over there lifetimes.

What was the reason for reducing the number of independant retail outlets nationwide?

Do you deny that you pride yourself on marketing prowess?

But i admit my first post was reactionary, ill thought out and did not really accurately get across my true feelings. I am well aware that all companies need to market their products, the commitments that were made during the early days of howies and the need to sell to a larger parent company. I never thought it would generate such a response. If anything i hope this thread has given both Howies and Charge the chance to take a step back and look at the direction you are travelling in, If your heading the way you want, all is well.

I dont want to come across as a miserable bastard or an eco warrior , i am neither, just someone who is fed up with the ardent consumerism of the enviromently friendly.

One final thing please justify to me privatley at least the cost of your “Hand me Down Products”

I am now going to hide under a rock and never post anything on this bloody forum again.

Mike

Why oh why did i say anything! I wish i’d kept my mouth shut and yes i was bored. I think charge bikes have come out of it pretty good, as makers of good frames/ bits and like i said in my original post i was out to be proved wrong. My only concern with companies that follow fashion is that it soon changes and they can often be left pigeon-holed or unfashionable and stuck in the sh1t, Burberry is a good example.

To the people at Charge, i am available for BS gorilla marketing campaigns on STW

Mr S Monkey

😀 [But i hold no mallice were all cyclists after all and i have been guilty of following fashions .]

I suppose my rant was more about the sale of “lifestyles” rather than at charge themselves, i was just looking at their site and it was the straw that broke the cammels back. If i was a company i would do the same, Howies and the like have done a brilliant job at creating demand where none (or little) existed before. I saw an article that said that it was one of the 10 most recession proof bussiness in the uk or something see Wiki. For this to be true the demand for the products would have to be very inelastic a result of constant demand for their products despite its high price and lower disposable incomes. Only time will tell.

So maybe my real rant is about people who buy into these lifestyle brands…
( i own 3 bits of howies, a swobo tshirt, and about to build a 1×8 commuter) just so you know

Fair play as i said i have never ridden their bikes and was out to be proved wrong. Maybe i should go for a test ride but only if that abi girl comes with me

A fake messenger. bike, bag and a job in corporate accounts. 😀 google it

But i hold no mallice were all cyclists after all and i havebeen guilty of following fashions

sorry prescribed 😀

steve you can only get get a fixie if you live in London earn £20,000 plus own a pair of sidi’s, a chrome bag and some swerve jeans.

I’m a fan of swobo but i can see your point. Looks like its Ronhills and Royal Robbins for me . is that the style police i hear?

yeah i bought a Hlogo t shirt from them in bike 96 i think, they were one of the early “lifestyle” brands so at least they were slightly original but in the last 2 years it gone of the scale.

Up Win Hill ( yes i know) around ladybower and up to Hollins cross sometimes the wind helped, sometimes it didnt 🙂

What is fontmoss’s bike page 4 , i like it

Hi are you interested in selling the xcircuit, what size frame is it

cheers mike

Hard Grit
Here

I ride in the peaks alone since my mate went to Bali, i just dont push myself on anything but all this talk of accidents always puts doubts into your head. maybe all us billy no mates should get together, super fit racy types need not apply 🙂

Been riding 2wheelers since i was 3 (1985)and always been into bikes got my first proper mtb a dawes with 40mm forks when i was about 12 never looked back riding the flats of delamere and now the peaks

Yes its not technically difficult to build that high but it is impratical the amount of useable space will be limited due to the vast amount 0f space given over to lifts and services on the ground floors. the only reason to build this high is to show the world that Dubai is the biggest, best richest country. You are in fact looking at a 1.5 mile c0ck

Cheers its a bit cheaper so if your still considering selling it let me know i may take it off you

Yes but how much? someone is selling one and i was wondering what the prices where. If yours is cheeper i might buy yours
Cheers

ordered a groupset with the wrong mech needed a top pull sent it back and they swapped it no problem and i didn’t have to pay any return postage

I have had 3 pairs of inovate 315 roclites great shoes for running in but they all fell apart within 3 months mainly holes in the heel area , i am currently using montrail continental divide that have lasted a year untouched, no good for biking jsut dont buy the inov8’s

5.10 guide tennie

Mature student, check it!! Msc Commercial building surveying , future job prospects poor!

Is Glupton back??

myo xp think its petzl

Its a large 54cm bottom center to top info here http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/?page_id=1174.

It would be without post and saddle

Ive got a Kaffenback for sale , drop bar , 105 raceface stem , rpm, alex rims and gator skins looking for about £300 great condition just some chainslap on the chainstay.Sheffield

Ozric tentacles!!!

Let My People Go Surfing: The Education of a Reluctant Businessman: Yvon Chouinard. Brilliant inspiring and engaging