Please enlighten me to the exact meaning of ‘under control’

It’s in the section of law I’ve quoted above.

I can also ensure you it is not a legal requirement to keep a dog on a lead in a public place.

I didn’t say it was.

I think we’re arguing over something we actually agree on here, that dogs must be kept under control. I don’t see why any responsible person would have an issue with that.

You mean the Countryside Code which says:

No,i mean the actual UK law, which says:

1. Overview
It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere, eg:

in a public place
in a private place (eg a neighbour’s house or garden)
in the owner’s home
The law applies to all dogs.

Some types of dogs are banned.

Out of control
Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

injures someone
makes someone worried that it might injure them
A court could also decide that your dog is dangerously out of control if:

it injures someone’s animal
the owner of the animal thinks they could be injured if they tried to stop your dog attacking their animal
A farmer is allowed to kill your dog if it’s worrying their livestock.

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/overview

As you are “being law-abiding and respecting others” then you must be slowing down or stopping for walkers already? Yes? So a dog off the lead, as it is allowed to be, shouldn’t cause you a problem.

An under control dog won’t. But if it suddenly walks in front of me, darts out from behind a bush etc, casing me to have to take sudden evasive action, then it’s out of control. Simple. I’m sure you’d agree with that.

I am requred to give way to walkers and horses. Not dogs.

I wonder if that is a lack of imagination from the coaching

England coaching team lacking imagination? Never! 😆

One of the main issues with England, aside from the fact the players are laregly vastly overrated (the Premier league is great because of the large number of talented foreign players, not so much the English ones), is that the whole coaching set up seems to be about getting what the palyers to fit into a (FA dictated) pre-prescribed formula, rather than focussing on how best to utilise individual talents. And trying to get a palyer to do what he does for his club, when he has particular players around him, whereas in the England team he has different ones. Too often trying to put squre pegs into round holes.

The comforting noise of a complete moron wasting his time on a football thread to tell everyone how uninterested he is in football.

😆

Just do something else if it bothers you that much.

My point is – there were the Uraguayan players clearly full of energy and hunger belting out their song for all they were worth and then – the English team. Hunched, miserable, mumbling, dead-eyed and looking like they’d rather be ANYWHERE else.

Maybe they don’t like the ‘God’ bit in the song’s title.

you clearly don’t know how Portugal qualified for the WC then?

They came second to Russia, in a group containing Israel, Azerbaijan, Northern Ireland and Luxembourg. 😆

Ok; so CRon scored 4 in the playoffs. But that was against Sweden, hardly titans of world football. Yes, he can turn it on, and be an amazing player. But ask any MU fan; for every great game he had there, there were 2 or 3 where he’d not turn up. I certainly remeber him having a few tantrums when being stifled aganst better teams.

Rooney take the game by the scruff of the neck! Are you serious?

Why woudn’t I be? Rooney’s proved himself a matchwinner countless times for MU, winning them some really big games.

But I don’t think “under control” means keeping them on a lead.

It doesn’t matter what you think though. What matters is the legal requirment of alldog owners to ensure their dogs are kept under control at all times. In my experience, very few dogs can be reliably kept under control without a lead. And in situations where cyclists may also be using a path, then it’s the owner’s responsiblity to ensure it doesn’t cause harm or damage to anyone or theor property. What’s the problem with being law-abiding and respecting others?

The column is very badly written and clearly confuses cause and effect several times as well as contradicting itself as to be a total irrelevance in the current debate.

There does need to be dialogue to discuss and dbate issues though, and currently, bar CTC, LCC andone or two other organisations, there really isn’t mush representation for cyclists. Probably because we’re too busy bickering with oneanother over what type of bike/tyres/wheel sizes/TT position etc.

I wouldn’t scrip on panniers. Get a decent pair and they’ll last you for years. Seen plenty of cheap ones fail/fall apart.

I use a pair of Vaude, similar to Ortleib but cheaper and in my opinion, easier to use. About £100 a pair though, so not cheap. Extremely tough and fully waterproof though. And you can get masss of stuff in them.

That’s hardly “uncontrolled” is it?

Yes it is actually.

If you’re having problems stopping for dogs on the trail then you are the one lacking in control.

Excuse me? I’m the one with the legal right to be there. I sholdn’t have to risk my safety because some dog suddenly crosses my path, the thing should legally be ‘under control’. And if the owner can’t guarantee that, then it should be on a lead. I always prepare to slow down if I see dogs, but they are unpredictable beasts which don’t always listen to or understand orders.

Do you expect other animals to be kept on leads too? Rabbits? Deer? Children?

Neither rabbits notr deer have ever caused me any problems. And children have the legal right to be there, and invariably, right of way, so it’s a useless comparison.

Do you own a dog/s? Do you have a problem with keeping it under control at al times?

CRonaldo has gone on to be one of the world greatest players

Gone onto join a team full of world-class players. Rooney has stayed at a club that’s gone downhill.

Rooney’s performances for England eclipse CRon’s for Portugal; where was he against Germany? Nowhere. Whereas Rooney can take a game by the scruff of the neck and turn things around. I know which one I’d rather have in my squad.

If zip-tying, use a bit of old innertube cut up to give the tie something to grip, or it might spin round. Will protect the frame from scratches too. That Haldords thing is very effective.

Bit cruel really though isn’t it?

Thn don’t own a dog, if you’re that sensitive.

A dog doesn’t need to be kept on a lead at all times to be well-controlled.

Very few, in my experience. Most, even placid non-violent dogs will invariably wander out in front of bikes. And many owners are idiots, sadly.

It’s a really easy quick job. There’s a simple method described online if you google it. Yoo don’t need the tool.

Or Hlfords do a Elite bottle cage mount for £3:

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_163286_langId_-1_categoryId_273925

Aldi/Lidl for about £3.99. All my failed Cateye/Sigma/etc bike computers have been replaced with these, and they are perfect. Battery life is fantastic, lasts 2 years easily with daily use. There is no reason to spend any more.

A dog off the lead has as much right as anyone else to use the land

No it doesn’t, in fact it has no ‘right’ at all, in law. Owners of all animals have a duty of care to ensure they are treated humanely, that’s about it. And all dogs must be under control in any public or uneneclosed space, at all times.

I have no problem with dogs being kept on leads at all times. If you want it to run free, then let it do so on your own securely enclosed land. Or simply just don’t own a dog, if these simple rules are beyond you.

It is like getting upset because Spurs dont win the League.

What perfect way of summing things up! 😀

compare and contrast him and CRonaldo

Rooney will at least still give it his all, even when his team are losing. CRonaldo goes missing whenever things aren’t going his way. This was the main criticism when he was at MU, and is still the case now.

Final match – c’mon Roy, time for a blaze of glory, or even a little flash in the pan. Shaw, Wilshire, Oxlade, Barkley, Llana all to start.

Hodgson’s already lining up his next job somehwere abroad. I doubt he’ll do anything wild at this stage, but it’s a nice idea.

Advanced countries like Holland and Denmark quickly separated cyclists from other road users, but libertarian Britain has by and large just watched as the hassle grows.

Not sure how Britain is ‘libertarian’ in comparison to Denmark and Holland, but this is actually a good point. We’ve done nothing to cater for the growth in cycling, bar painting a few lines on already busy and dangerous roads, and some token efforts (by Danish and Dutch standards) to create new cycle paths. For a country that practially invented the bicycle, his is quite shameful.

Ironic ho the ‘author of that article actually shows it’s the cars causing the problems, not the cyclists.

Encountering parked cars in their way they just pull out into the traffic behind

So, the ‘not looking’ myth aside (what cyclist seriously doesn’t look first ffs?), what are cyclists supposed to do? And it’s more that drivers get angry and frustrated at being held up for a few seconds, than cyclists actually being a problem. If the cars weren’t parked there, the cyclist wouldn’t have to pull out.

As for cyclists using narrow, winding, 60mph country roads, that’s a dangerous absurdity.

Are those the same narrow, winding country roads that weren’t designed for 60mph traffic in the first place?

What an idiot.

And he’s let that taltent shine by maturing , pulling his socks up and getting on with becoming an even better player. Fair play to him.

Wayne Rooney, on the other hand, has always struggled following any controversy (and there have been many in his career), and simply hasn’t ever become the player his young talent suggested.

Suarez is an amazing player. The more the British media tries to knock him down, the more he turns that energy into becoming an even better player. He learns from his mistakes, improves and moves on. If only the England team could do the same.

Take it down and make it into a kicker.

Best idea yet!

I wish you could get mtb components with the quality of older Campag stuff. Th only thing that came close was Shimano XTR M900. Since then, quality has gone downhill, in favour of gimmickry.

Karrimor ceased to be a decent brand nearly 20 years ago. Their stuff is generally no worse than most of the ‘lifestyle tat’ that fills shops like Cotswolds.

Cotswold is so overpriced anyway I’m unsure how they have lasted this far against the likes of go outdoors & decathlon

Decathlon has shown that cheap far eastern made stuff needn’t be stupidly expensive; they have exploded the outdoor gear bubble, and brought customers reasonable kit for a lot less money than most of the other brands which also sell cheap far eastern made stuff. In my own experience, Decathlon’s own fleeces are actually better thn Berghous, etc. £8 vs £50. It’s a no-brainer.

So the outdoor lifestyle bubble has burst. Good. Let’s hope the same happens to cycling.

Virtually every MTB product is “lifestyle tat”

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So true. Overpriced average quality cheap labour produced gear at premium prices.

Benoit Assuo-Ekotto is lazy. Andhe’s not fat.

My most used bike is my singlespeed commuter. I think the current tyres have probably don over 5,000 miles, the drivetrain about the same, I’ve maybe used about 2 sets of brake pads in that time, and haven’t changed the bake cables. I have no idea how many miles the headset and BB have done. possibly over 10,000 miles. And they’re perfect.

I’m dreading the ca.£60 overhaul the bike will soon need. 😆

Well, England ae a shoe-in to win tomorrow, as Uruguay have had their caramel spead cofiscated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-27889343

Go to LBS. Try on helmets. Buy the best fitting one that suits your riding from the aforementioned LBS.

That approach alays seems to cost me over £100. 😯

It is, however, the best one.

The Coronation Tap up in Clifton if cider is your thing. Even if it’s not. Tiny place, but great little venue for live music, and a great atmosphere. Jus be carefuly what you sample, as some of their ciders are really strong.

I have a Trend T4; it’s a nice, well made light and versatile tool. Good spares back up. With care it will last for years. Great for smaller jobs, but if you want to work with bigger stuff, go for a 1/2″ collet router with at least 1200W.

Connection to vacuum/dust extractionis essential, and for the love of Mike; pleae be careful with the 20,000rpm spinning bits!

Plywood contains adhesive compounds which can bunt bits quickly. A set of small ‘Drmel’ style grinding stones mounted in a pillar drill can be used to resharpen them.

Anyway; good call OP. I’ll be heading down to Sports Direct in the mornng. 😉

PDF is a good call actually.

Here we go; bargain:

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/team-sky/2014-pro-team-short-sleeve-jersey-by-rapha-ec059234

Really, you think?

I’m afraid so, based on 25+ years of buying stuff. Much of the ‘cycling’ stuff i’ve had has worn out very quickly, and been pretty poor value for money. Wheras I have football tops I use to ride in, dating back to the early 90’s. A rummage round Sports Direct etc can reveal some great bargains, as long as you don’t mind wearing an Olympiakos third away kit or similar!

What, that I think that inciting people to vandalise legal scientific tests should lead to prosecution?

And where has Jenny Jones done that? Do you have any compellinglegal evidence that the CPS etc don’t?

Nick Griffin was cleared of inciting racial hatred in court

Really?

In 1998, Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to the offence of ‘publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material’ in issue 12 of The Rune, published in 1996. Griffin’s comments in the magazine were reported to the police by Alex Carlile, then the Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Montgomeryshire. Following a police raid at Griffin’s home, he was charged with distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#Criminal_charges

You obviously chose to completely ignore the bit where I said “within the bounds of the law”

No-one involved in the surveillance of the Lawrence family has yet even faced any charges.

cycling gear is so much nicer

Cycling gear is generally grossly overpriced poor quality tat. Football shirts, depending on manufacturer, can be really good quality, hardwearing and great value. Adidas in particular is generellay good quality.

35 images too many. More than 10 is tedious. It’s a presentation, no your holiday snaps.

It’s ok, you’re not invited. I was after technical advice as to which way to present it best (sharp text and images paramount). iMovie can be exported in different formats, playable on any PC.

Will be on a PC, so can’t use Keynote.

Personally I have no problem whatsoever with Jenny Jones being on a database of potential nutters, given her public support for the illegal destruction of trial crops

Wow. 😆

Let’s let the lady herself respond:

The rumours are wrong; I’ll be at the picnic on Sunday, not destroying
the crop. I shall voice my opposition to research into GM crops that I
think is a bad, possibly dangerous use of public money. I strongly
support Non Violent Direct Action and disown damage to property, but
there’s sometimes a conflict; in damaging military jets in an attempt
to sabotage an unjust war, or breaking windows in the name of womens’
suffrage, direct action has a complicated and distinguished place in
our democratic history. And I do understand the depth of despair and
the desperation that protesters feel. But they must face the legal
consequences of their actions, and think deeply about the ethics of
their actions – like lots of things in life it’s more complicated than
some of my critics seem to want to admit.

That’s an interesting ‘interpretation’ you have there, Ninfan. And ‘potential nutter’? Jenny Jones?? Really? You’re going with that? Ok then… 😆

I also find it preposterous to suggest that there is anything wrong with the police monitoring or investigating (within the bounds of the law) the actions of people, including politicians, who do not (yet) have a criminal record

Why would they monitor specific individuals and not others though? Who gets to choose those who they consider to be ‘potential nutters’? Who sanctions such surveillance? Considering the recent high-profile cases involving systematic abuse of police powers, including the undercover monitoring of the Stephen Lawrence family, and the cases I linked to previously, I think it only sensible to question the motives and actions of the police and other state agencies which use covert monitoring targeted at specific individuals. Because the police have certainly proved, time and again, not to be a fit and proper agency to carry out such actions.

why should Jenny Jones be any more immune from this than Nick Griffin and his mates?

You really need to ask that question?

Wow.