Awesome thanks Keith. I *nearly* put Esther’s email address in this thread, but thought I’d better ask her first :-)

{EDIT} – I spoke to Esther last night so maybe I’ve already heard your response. Thanks

The Chapel Gate consultation is something we’ve been looking quite closely at already, being a key project for Peak District MTB for a few years. We’ll be making our recommendations as Peak District MTB in due course.

– Do you think the new proposals are good/bad/indifferent?

– What can be done better?

– Do you think the reasons for doing it are valid? etc

We’ll be providing our view of this consultation soon…

Dan

Peak District MTB

Great question, and I really don’t know the answer. Most of my exercise these days comes from riding a bike, so I’m probably as fit as I’ve ever been for cycling. Ask me to climb or ski – stuff I used to do regularly in my youth – and I’ll be a sorry 5/10.

I’m there every week with work. The cathedral never ceases to amaze me. I think it’s a lovely little city, or at least the “uphill” part is. I can recommend places to stay if interested.

The Lincolnshire Wolds are hillier than you might expect too.

As others have mentioned, it depends what you want to do with the data. You might not even know yet. Well over ten years ago I had a relatively inexpensive HRM connected to an equally inexpensive bike computer. I could set it to beep at me if I went above certain heart rates, but I soon stopped using it. That’s largely because I neither knew nor cared what that data was telling me, so didn’t see the point of the extra faff.

Fast forward to 2018 and I have a Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt computer with accompanying HRM. I love monitoring what my heart is up to *whilst I’m riding* and adjusting my efforts depending on what I’m trying to achieve. If I’m out for a short, fastish ride, I’ll be in zone 3 most of the time, with some zone 4 efforts on the climbs. If I’m out for a long ride, I’ll try and keep things in zone 2 so I know I can keep going all day. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how useful that info is and how it’s encouraged me to get stronger and fitter. Is that the kind of thing you’re after?

Unfortunately, my setup is not the cheapest way into HRM. I assume you can just hook these things into an app on your phone rather than needing a dedicated cycle computer.

I’ve put signs up on two of the popular gates on the Roaches Estate in a bid to get more than just MTBers volunteering. If you are going to come, email me so we know how many tools to bring.

Cheers

Can we ride bikes after too?

Personally speaking, I’ll have had too many biscuits to do a ride after, but I may change my mind…

:-)

If you want to get involved on April 14th, drop me a line danATpeakdistrictmtb.org. Biscuits provided :-)

Cheers

Not just raising the profile, but raising £75,000 to improve it. If lots of us chip in that target will be hit. Can you spare a fiver?

http://peakdistrictmtb.org/project/cut-gate/

Warranty job?

My first Reverb was awesome; no trouble whatsoever…until I damaged it. Replacement seat post had similar woes to you. I’m waiting to receive it back from SRAM who’ve replaced some internal parts. Could just be a duffer you’ve got.

Buxton is my home town. It’s got a lot going for it, not least of which is a superbly central location with decent MTB (and road) cycling in every direction. My family still live there as do some good friends, so we head over there regularly.

It’s got a bit of a dual personality. The lower end of town around the Opera House is quite smart, with a decent choice of bars and restaurants for a relatively small town. The main park – the Pavilion Gardens – is a superb public space and often has events, especially in Summer. They even have a cinema now, which is doing quite well by all accounts. The upper marketplace is, however, a bit bleak and not quite as charming.

The Pennine Bridleway is a very short ride from the HSE, from which a whole world of off-road riding opens up. You can do some great riding from the doorstep. Buxton is right on the geological boundary of the limestone of the White Peak and the re-emergence to the west of the gritstone syncline that makes up the Eastern Edges. Don’t assume it’s all muddy/slippy limestone in winter; there’s some great winter rides within riding distance to the west.

I think it’s a great spot to live. The main reason we moved away was house prices. Go for it.

(Is that actually true? Source?)

Source was the Technical Support Officer from Staffordshire Safer Roads Partnership.

Indeed. I explained all this yesterday.

Sorry Cougar :lol: I appreciate your frustration. Yours was the best explanation that I now see correlates with “the truth”.

For all those raging at your keyboards at my apparent stupidity, bear in mind from my perspective you’re strangers on the internet with opinions. Some of those opinions correlate with fact, some don’t. I came here to gauge whether other drivers have been tripped up by misunderstanding of advice given on speed awareness courses. Some of you admitted that it wasn’t well explained on your SAC either. I feel reassured that it’s not just me.

Wish I’d not bothered saying anything now :cry: :lol:

</waits for “me too” comments>

Highways authorities are not allowed to place repeater signs in 30mph zones. The presence of any repeater signs is a great clue that the limit is not 30mph.

I did not know that until today (or if I did, I’d long since forgotten)

Clearly a built-up area, look at all those houses and factories.

Interestingly, the instructors on the speed awareness course drilled it home to *not* rely on the presence (or lack of) houses and factories as an indicator of being a built-up area.

There are NSL repeater signs on that section.

I hate to tell you, but the speed limit there is 40

At the point the photo was taken, yes. The 30mph and 40mph zones are clear. I was referring to the point from the NSL sign. Apologies for the confusion.

Further on you can see a side road that is a 30 limit:
30 limit

Thanks sbob, that’s actually a really sensible observation to address any ambiguity over whether it’s a 30mph limit on the main carriageway.

Why don’t you post a link to the road in question?

et voilá

If the presence of street lights indicates a built-up area, and the national speed limit for a built up area is 30mph, why is the speed limit 60mph here?

OK, I promise this is my last attempt to try and help one or two other see where I’m coming from.

When you see the sign which is white with a black diagonal it means that the “national speed limit for the vehicle you are driving on this type of road in this part of the UK applies.”

Yep, completely get all that. My understanding of that has not changed in the many years I’ve been driving. In determining what the “national speed limit for the vehicle you are driving on this type of road in this part of the UK applies”, the presence of street lights indicates a built-up area, ergo a 30mph limit.

The black diagonal tells you “national speed limit”
The streetlights tell you “built up area” (hence national speed limit of 30mph)
The presence of streetlights is “over-ruled” by signage
The signage is a black diagonal indicating “national speed limit”
The streetlights tell you “built up area” (hence 30mph)
The presence of streetlights is “over-ruled” by signage
etc

I’ll provide feedback to the Speed Awareness course that using street lights as a determinator of the national speed limit has caused doubt in what was previously very clear to me. Thanks for your thoughts.

If you can’t figure it out you should probably just surrender your driving license.

OK, OK, I’ll bite!

Seriously, please help this terminally hard-of-thinking person understand. My understanding is that there is no National Speed Limit (singular). Neither speed awareness courses, Gov.uk nor the Highway Code suggest otherwise. For those who are saying there is, what do you think it is and why?

this thread is pointless

How very dare you :lol:

Perhaps I should have said “For my entire driving life I have taken that to mean – as a car driver – a 60mph limit on a single carriageway, until I attended a speed awareness course where they introduced doubt“

Those that get where I’m coming from (at least two of you!) recognise the ambiguity is in what constitutes a built-up area as a mechanism to define the national speed limit, which is indicated by the black diagonal sign. The crux is that it will make no practical difference and will never be tested in a court of law, since the worse case scenario is someone travelling 30mph when they are allowed to go at 60mph.

Thanks for the many comments. It’s been interesting…

I would read the reference to “national speed limits” (N.B. this limits is plural in the text) as meaning it’s a list of speed limits that are applied nationally depending on circumstances. The “National Speed Limit” (Note capitalisation and limit singular) is something different.

Someone else suggested that above (possibly you). I asked them to explain what the difference is between “national speed limits” and the “National Speed Limit”. Can you explain? If there genuinely is a difference, surely you acknowledge how ridiculous it is to have a distinction like that.

“Sorry, m’lud, I was paying attention to the National Speed Limit, not the applicable speed defined by the national speed limits“

if the system was that you had to decide what the speed limit was based upon what street furniture is around you then what is the point of any speed limit sign

The signs are there to over-ride the visual indicators such as street lighting or the type of road. There are plenty of dual carriageways that have 50mph limits for example (that’s how I got caught). The crux of my thread is that the repeater signs on this particular stretch of road are the NSL sign. For my entire driving life I have taken that to mean – as a car driver – a 60mph limit on a single carriageway. My speed awareness course suggested otherwise.

NSL is either 50, 60, or 70 depending on the type of road and what you’re driving. If you’re not in a NSL area, you will have passed a sign that says 20,30,40,50 or 60. Perfectly simple and nothing to do with street lights.

Now prove me wrong….

The link below, screen shots of the contents of this link, and copied and pasted text from this link have cropped up many times already on this thread. It clearly shows that the NSL is 30mph in certain circumstances and is from Gov.uk, a source that we should be able to rely on.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

I’m not sorry I started this thread. It proves the system is imperfect and mis-understood. The conclusion I’m drawing is that I’ll take the bus instead :lol:

can see where the OP is coming from

Well that’s two of you now, so I’m making some progress :lol: Thanks

By the OP’s logic the sign he refers to means 30mph on the M’ways as they regularly post it up on the matrix on the M42, M4, M6, M6 Toll, M25….
All of which have lots of streetlights….

Well no, because the motorway regulations over-rule. Everyone knows that, don’t they? :-)

Until the speed awareness course I was right there with most of you on this thread, taking the NSL sign to mean 60mph limit (edit – in a car on a single carriageway) unless signs indicate otherwise. My confusion and exasperation is coming from the advice we received on the speed awareness course.

What I’m taking away from this thread is that the instructors on the speed awareness course have done a bad job on this topic.

If only there were a course you could go on and ask this sort of question…

Had I noticed this *before* the course I would have asked. The advice on the course has introduced the doubt, not cleared it up. As has this thread :-)

it’s a speed limit applied nationally but not a NSL

Wow! Mind blown. What’s the difference between a speed limit applied nationally and an NSL?!? Which one fo you think the Gov.uk site refers to?

To be honest I wan’t expecting to be any better informed by this thread. It seems there is plenty of confusion out there.

The NSL for cars is 60mph – indicated by the above posted signage

But it’s not. The National Speed limit varies depending on the road, as I point out with my quotes and references in posts above. There are 4 national speed limits for motorhomes for example, depending on the road. The presence of this sign does not, on its own, tell you the speed limit

Then paste it here as said, the NSL is not the 30mph built up area spead limit.

Just click on the Gov.uk link I provided, where it very clearly and unambiguously has a table of national speed limits (NSL) showing built-up areas to be 30mph https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Err, that’s not what NSL signs mean.

NSL means national speed limit. In a built-up area the national speed limit is 30mph. The speed awareness course, and the highway code, both advise that a built-up area is indicated by streetlights (@Drac they made no mention of distance between street lights, nor have I yet found that in the Highway Code).

I’ve treated that road – and has everyone else – as a 60mph section for decades. It’s probably intended to be a 60mph section. The supposedly unambiguous rules suggest otherwise.

Where does it say that?

page 43 of my copy of the Highway Code, published 2009 and Gov.uk

mike, that’s the thrust of my question. The speed awareness course repeatedly said NSL in a built-up area is 30-mph. The indicator of a built-up area is streetlights. The only repeater signs are NSL signs, ergo 30mph limit.

Indeed wwaswas, but there are no signs otherwise indicating. The only signs were the NSL signs which – as pointed out – mean 30mph in a built up area.

I understand the need to have an eye-catching headline to get clicks, I really do. What’s disappointing is when the content of the article does not reflect the headline. It might serve the ultimate aim for the publisher, but it’s not clever headline writing. Where does it end? “Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster!” for an article on a new wheel size? :lol:

I always felt that Radiohead copied Neil Young’s Heart of Gold for Prove Yourself.

I like that Lana del Rey song, but I’d be gobsmacked if the writer(s) were truly oblivious to the Creep similarity. Don’t tell Julee Cruze; she’ll be wanting a bit too.

no :-(

Well whoever at STW Towers has had the click-bait headline writing training, it’s working. I clicked on “Is This The Most Miserable Form Of Cycle Racing Ever? Enter Now!” expecting something considerably more interesting and dramatic than “just” a XC race.

I think I managed a total of 4 rides in December

That’s a good month for me! 8O

GET OUT

I thought you’d like that :-)

Eventually it stops raining and there is some good weather. Both Saturday and Sunday morning were sunny round here. The problem is it takes quite a few days of good weather for the mud and slop to harden. This is why I like a road bike in my quiver; roads don’t get muddy. I’ve had some fantastic sunny rides on dry roads in between rain and snow showers.

In relation to the battery problems, Apple have posted a response on their site https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-battery-and-performance/%5B/url%5D

This is the best bit :-)

“Apple is reducing the price of an out-of-warranty iPhone battery replacement by £54 — from £79 to £25 — for anyone with an iPhone 6 or later whose battery needs to be replaced, available worldwide until December 2018. Details will be provided soon on apple.com/uk.”

In my youth I worked in an outdoor shop and The North Face Mountain jacket was the aspirational GoreTex jacket at the time. It oozed cool and was one of the “go to” jackets for keeping the rain at bay for climbers/mountaineers. That was back in the early 90s, in my more impressionable teenage years :-) . It wasn’t long after that that The North Face logo became a fashion “must have”.

They stopped being an aspirational brand (for me) a long time ago.