Swinson either knows this and its deliberate because she fears Corbyn and an election more or she is showing her lack of political intelligence

Or both.

Swinson fears a GE because it’s likely she and a few of her recently acquired MPs will lose their seats.

Her lack of political intelligence is obvious because the path she has chosen to take her party down will, once again, cause them to renege on one of their apparent core policies (2nd referendum), by refusing to compromise in order counter the Tories No Deal Brexit.

The bizarre thing is, by refusing to support Corbyn, the Lib Dems are by default aiding the Tories, once again.

I’m now waiting for someone to say they ride an ebike to the cafe then it can truly go thermonuclear

Nah, e-bikers prefer to sit around drinking coffee and talking a good ride at BPW.

A cafe in Berkshire just doesn’t have enough pose value for their Instagram account followers.

It’s certainly long enough to be a Sick! product but nowhere near slack enough.

#gnarpoon

…was pulled along the two-mile track by the powerful Porsche Cayenne…

Is this the next thing the idle folks who have e-bikes are going to jump on?

I have a fairly sizable roll of actual helicopter tape in my garage (blade tape for Chinook rotor blades). You’re quite welcome to a lump if you like, but it only comes in matt black.

…I’ve seen a osteopath a few times, and they’ve helped greatly. They didn’t do anything a physio wouldn’t have done – …

Osteopathy as a field that tries to associate itself with healthcare is a sham, and thus those who choose to practice under its banner are open to scorn.

If they want to practise ‘physio techniques’ then they should become physios.

Weirdly no mention of the crooked councillor who initiated the complaint? Must be his 2nd strike now, surely?

His?

Are people getting mixed up? As far as I can see the councillor involved is this woman;

https://rbwm.moderngov.co.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143

I believe she is the partner of the ex-publican/neighbour and lives with him at the same address.

@twodogs

I love this part.

perhaps most damning – and surprising for anybody who has paid for the treatment – is that nobody can explain how manipulation would theoretically work, even the practitioners. Matthew Bennett, the president of the British Chiropractic Association (BCA), says that one explanation they’re working on is that a physical force through the spine removes stiffness, though it is unclear what causes this “stiffness” or, therefore, how a physical force might remove it. Another is that it changes the body’s perception of pain. “We’ve spent 100 years or more going through various other hypotheses,” he says, “but those seem to be the ones where most of the encouraging work is going on.”

Over 100 years of cracking bones and all the President of the BCA can do is shrug, when pushed on how it’s supposed to work.

Quackery dressed up in quasi-scientific clothing. Anyone who admits to being one of these charlatans should be ashamed.

And your point is?

Just because he believes in homeopathy doesn’t mean all his opinions are equally worthless (see my last post).

From the comments you post on political threads it appears you are a Tory, and a pretty inwards looking one at that, but I wouldn’t discount your opinions on everything based on your political leanings.

Or people who think homeopathy is a good idea?

As a Critical Care nurse I look upon homeopathy with the contempt it deserves.

If an individual has a belief in homeopathy though it doesn’t mean that everything they believe in is equally contemptible.

D) Many other reasons that you have no interest in listening to or taking seriously

It’s difficult to take such accusations seriously when even the most cursory of research into them shows they are complete rubbish

As a comparison, should we take the opinions of flat earthers seriously despite the available evidence?

Shut up and take my money!

I admire your honesty.

I don’t understand why so many people claim he is untrustworthy. Why is that?

Because those who parrot such rubbish are either;

A) Tories.

B) Politically naive/illiterate simpletons who believe whatever the MSM tells them.

C) ‘Moderates’ who will say/believe anything in their quest to drag the Labour Party back to the right.

As if by magic he appears.

As did you.

You may be the whippet-like racing snake exception to the rule but, like Hora and his ilk in a previous era trying to buy themselves better, e-bike owners by and large seem to be pretty unskilled and unfit riders looking to purchase their way better.

…when it comes to people who, if not racists themselves, have made one of the major parties in this country a safe-space for racial hatred…

That’ll be Johnson and the Conservative Party, but this thread is about Corbyn.

If you can point out ‘racial hatred’ in relation to Corbyn it might help your arguement.

…everyone know ebikers are fat and can’t ride for shit.

As with everything, there are always a few exceptions to the rule.

I’ll be honest though, just got back after doing a 25 mile loop around Miller’s Dale and I had a brief bout of envy towards a couple of ‘Clydesdale’ riders who whizzed past me on a climb on their e-bikes. I say “brief” because, despite their shop brought endurance providers, they rode like a couple of fannies and were easily passed on the next decent.

How can a plane with 2 pilots, 2 cabin crew (minimum, depending on plane), plus someone to put your bags on for you, come out cheaper than a driver and guard plus a snack trolley, if you are lucky.

Add on the maintenance/inspection of planes which must far exceed that of a train.

Whilst the maintenance and inspection of aircraft does far exceed that of trains being reliant upon a fixed infrastructure (rails) adds some costs that aircraft don’t have.

The ECML, as a major high speed route, requires maintenance and safety checks to be carried out 24 hours a day, with hundreds of Permanent Way staff out overnight checking their areas for issues with the track. This is not a cheap endeavour and when corners are cut you end up with the likes of the 2000 Hatfield Rail Crash, 2002 Potters Bar and 2002 Southall.

JC is unpalatable to too many – hence why the LDs don’t want to deal with him.

The Lib Dems don’t want to ‘deal’ with him because they’re more interested in playing party politics than do what is right for the country.

They’re no doubt hoping that, as with their spell in enabling the Tories, they’ll be able to try and blame someone else when their refusal to compromise leads to a No Deal Brexit and walk away scot-free. Hopefully though, as with their coalition with the Tories, the electorate will remember their pivotal role in the proceedings and punish them for it.

Corbyn gets accused of sitting on his hands and is hounded for it. Swinson actually sits on her hands and folks are giving her an easy time.

LibDems need to take Tory seats in that election… and their chances of doing so will be reduced if they are seen to jump at the chance to make Corbyn PM.

Rather than thinking about their own petty party aspirations should they not primarily be concerned with their stated main goal, avoiding a No Deal Brexit?

As it is though, given the support for Brexit within the Conservative held constituencies how likely do you really think it would be that the Lib Dems could take voters from them?

The Lib Dems are a spent force in UK politics. They’ve only managed to remain in the news by snapping up turncoat MPs and by fooling some in the press and public at large into thinking they’re the only anti-Brexit party. Perhaps its time for them to make amends for their Tory-enabling treachery and support Corbyn in preventing a No Deal Brexit? Yes, along the way they will lose some of their MPs in a GE, but according to Lib Dem supporters on here Brexit is the only game in town at the moment, so shouldn’t that be the priority?

Watching newsnight and the Lib-Dems are flatly refusing to work with Labour.

Of course they are. Corbyn is pushing for a GE, one in which many of the Lib Dems recently-acquired MPs would likely lose their seats.

The likes of Chukka Unumma are terrified of the prospect of being held accountable to their constituents and more worryingly (to them) losing their spot in the limelight.

Sadly Swinson’s ‘Tory-lite’ party will, if they continue to refuse to work with Labour, both help usher in a No Deal Brexit whilst at the same time pretending they were doing all they could to prevent it, no doubt gaining the support of many political illiterates such as ‘binners’ in a post-Brexit Britain.

https://www.bikeinside.de/en/

At the time? We’d probably have gone ballistic.

But then we didn’t really realise that not too much later it’d be looking like the least worst option.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Just spend a bit more cash and get a decent remote, such as a Wolftooth…

Or the far cheaper Ztto dropper lever.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133007098951

What kind of forks? Suspension or rigid?

Who do you think you are? Bob Probert?

I wish.

I saw him play a fair few times (go Wings) and met him in Afghanistan, what a player!

I work 12.5 hour shifts, a mix of days and nights. When I’m on an off-day I find it hard not to fall asleep in the afternoon unless I have a specific task to do (work around the house, bicycle maintenance etc). If I sit down on the couch there is a good chance I’ll fall asleep.

Part of this is likely as a side effect of the Venlafaxine I take but no doubt it’s also part of the aging process combined with a variable shift pattern/working nights.

Fighting is similar to gambling; don’t play if you can’t afford to lose.

I leant how to play ice hockey when I was in the military and whilst my skating isn’t too bad and I can manage stick handling basics, I’ll never be a 1st or 2nd line player. What I have found I’m good at though is the borderline dirty play, niggling opposition players to put them off their game, or what’s known as the ‘agitator’ role.

What I’ve also noticed (and am known for) is that Im very protective of me and mine, and as I play in defence that often sees me jumping to the defence of my netminders.

As a consequence of both playing an agitator role and being (some might say “overly”) protective of my teammates I often get into fights, which are considered part of the game and attract surprisingly little punishment compared to other team sports.

Fighting on ice is an experience in itself.

Using your weak hand to hold onto your opposition (I go for the collar of their shoulder pads with my left hand and crank my elbow up high to try and protect my head from their right hand punches) whilst at the same time trying to hit them is fun. If they’ve left their helmet on then you have to either try to remove it or accept that your knuckles are going to hurt a lot afterwards.

Whilst this is going on you have to remain mindful of your footing, watching out for discarded stick, gloves helmets etc that may trip you or your opposition trying to adjust his position in order to unbalanced you, either to put you onto the ice or to get some punches in while you get your balance back.

The odd thing though is, when the dust settles, there is a ‘code’ of what happens on the ice stays on the ice that most player respect. To the point that I regularly put my nursing skills into practice afterwards and help fix up my previous opponents if they have a split lip etc.

Osteopathy is pure bunkum with a zero evidence base for cure and plenty of evidence of harm

Very much this, and include chiropractors in the ‘crap that has no peer-reviewed evidence of effectiveness’ pile too.

At best they are a means to separate the gullible from their money, at worst they are risking the long-term health of their punters.

But what would I know, only being a Princess Royal Spinal Injuries Centre trained link nurse?

…commie coterie…

{In the spirit of this thread most prolific posters…}

Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?

If history has taught us anything about the Lib Dems, that gleefully jumped into bed with the Tories previously, its that even core beliefs are expendable if it means a sniff of governmental power. Swinson’s voting record speaks for itself.

Not to mention that having been screwed over by the Tories last time around, they might be a bit wary of them now.

You like to think so but the voting records of the few Lib Dems left in Westminster hardly speaks of a party carving their own groove, rather one that has remained fairly loyal to its previous masters.

The Lib Dems in their current form are centre-right neoliberals, and the Conservative Party, outside of the ERG, still contains a fair few centre-right neoliberals. The natural bed fellows of the Lib Dems, given all the evidence they themselves present, are still the Conservatives.

Vote yellow, get blue is as likely now as it was at any point previously. Sadly the politically naive/illiterate folks who have apparently jumped ship from Labour to support the Lib Dems are either too stubborn to admit this or are happy with this prospect.

But you know, Corbyn…mutter mutter…allotment…mutter mutter…Czech spy…mutter mutter…6th formers…mutter mutter…etc.

I’ll just vote for a party that doesn’t want to **** my kids future up, thanks.

So you’ll vote Lib Dem, which effectively means voting Tory, as thats what you’ll likely get if a whole load of other politically illiterate ‘moderates’ follow your stunning example of self-abuse.

Yeah, you show those Tories! Punish them for what they’ve done by effectively voting them back in. I’m sure your kids would forgive you one day.

Sooty – I suspect the noble Brexit voters don’t give much of a **** about Kashmir. I might be wrong though.

I’m sure they don’t, but that’s not the point I’m making.

The assumption that Brexit is first and foremost in everyone’s mind is patently false, regardless of the huge impact it will have.

Brexit has been made a bigger deal than it actually is to the majority of peoples lives…

Indeed.

Unfortunately ‘binners’ is making that mistake that many in the navel-gazing middle class do; making assumptions about the world based on what affects them as individuals, and then patronisingly presenting their own opinion on behalf of folks not a ‘learned’ as them.

The vast majority of people probably don’t care that ‘binners’ and his ilk might have to get a visa for their holidays in Provence, nor that the wholesale price of quinoa may rise or that house prices may take a hit in the Home Counties.

Many of my colleagues are quite concerned about the increasing tension around Kashmir, for instance, as are many of our patients and their families.

Esher shore was awesome for legit stuff to practice as well..

I helped build a lot of it, but wasn’t good enough to ride it all. My favourite lines were the three to the right that started off as a single trail

All those waterproof mattresses wrapped around various trees etc were donated by DMRC Headley Court (where I worked at the time), which saved the MoD a few quid as we didn’t have to pay for disposal.

@sharkattack

Thanks. Now I’ve got that annoying Katie Melua song stuck in my head!

Maybe I need to work on my post-colonial guilt complex?

And there you go again.

It’s not about post-Colonial guilt, it’s about addressing a concern/potential conflict that has a direct impact on a large amount of the UK population.

Due to the large Pakistani and Indian populations in the UK this country has a diplomatic voice that (I’d argue) is equally as strong, irrespective of EU membership, in this specific case. Through raising the profile of this conflict and by engaging with Pakistani and Indian community leaders within the UK so-called ‘soft diplomacy’ can occur.

I’m Pro-EU but you’re way off with your myopic view that this isn’t an equally (and for many of the the UK’s population more) important issue to be raised.

As I previously stated, the EU isn’t the only game in town.

There you go. Feel better?

Sad fact is that you are as myopic and single issue obsessed as any Brexiteers you so love to pour scorn on, and your complete lack of understanding as to why potential conflict in Kashmir has a direct impact on the UK (and thus should be addressed by our politicians) clearly reinforces this.

Edited to add (perhaps you should try adding this when you changed a post?):

And now you’re flopping around, desperately trying to disguise the fact your ‘internationalism’ is very much confined to  European-centric bigotry.

Finger on the pulse of the nation, as ever…

Actually yes. Try looking outside of your own very narrow, privileged and incredibly biased viewpoint.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/kashmir-tensions-spill-over-to-britain-pakistani-indian-communities

…But thousands of miles away from the verdant valleys and stunning mountain-top scenery that have led some to describe Kashmir as “paradise on Earth”, towns and cities across Britain are also feeling the repercussions.

Of the 1.1 million British Pakistanis, more than one million originate from the part of Kashmir governed by Pakistan

While there are no official figures for the number of Indian Kashmiris in Britain, the overall British Indian community numbers almost 1.4 million and support for India’s position is strong among some sections…

…“It’s a very sensitive issue for both communities and I’m worried that it could damage relations between the two. We have to make sure that whatever we do, it does not spill over into unrest or hatred between British Indians and Pakistanis,”…

…On Thursday, which is India’s independence day, a big demonstration is planned by pro-Kashmir groups outside the Indian High Commission in central London

A counter demonstration is scheduled by British supporters of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata party (BJP). A number of other events are also set to take place to draw attention to the Kashmir issue over the coming weeks while leading British Pakistani politicians have written to the Foreign Office and the UN calling for action against India over its current actions….

As someone who works in Leicester, a city with a large Indian and Pakistani community and as someone who works with nurses from both communities this is a concern and attention rightly needs to be drawn to it.

Brexit isn’t the only topic in town and for someone who seems so vocal about being part of a larger international community its funny how you seem to restrict it to bits of the world full of people who look more like you.

Feel free to resort to type and post something ‘witty’ like calling Corbyn “magic grandad”, mentioning his allotment or some other tedious line you’ve beaten to death when you’ve **** all off any worth to actually say.

The loss of EU nurses to the NHS is well known and documented. gone from a net inflow of around a thousand a year to a net outflow of hundreds per year.

It’s a crying shame losing the EU nurses. They are very well-trained, are excellent workers and some have become good friends.

Two years ago EU (mainly Spanish and Portuguese) nurses made up about 40% of the nursing staff on my ITU. Just this year alone 24 of them have left us and the UK. 24 experienced Critical Care nurses.

The trust I work for are and have been recruiting a large number of nurses from Southern India to replace the EU nurses, and whilst they are also excellent nurses many don’t have ITU experience and as such it’ll take approximately 18 months to get competencies signed off for majority of them.

In the last year the pressure has increased upon the remaining experienced nurses, due to having to support so many inexperienced nurses,and as a result some of those have either left or have reduced their hours considerably.

It’s a mess and only a complete sadist could be happy with Brexit, given the very real effect its having on patient safety.

So why didn’t Corbyn try, when it was the last and best chance to get an election before we are due to leave?

No doubt because these ‘rebellious’ Tories would be more concerned about the damage supporting a VONC would do to their party than doing the right thing for the country. Tories have a long history of putting party allegiance first and foremost.

Also, supporting a VONC could (would?) be construed by local Conservative Party members and constituency voters as supporting Corbyn, which would likely be career suicide for said MPs. You only have to see how much Pro-EU Tories are being hounded by their local parties to have an idea of what could happen.

Ultimately though, with the Confidence and Supply deal with the DUP the Tories only need to 3 line whip (with the threat of losing the whip if MPs abstain) to fend off a VONC.

So without being able guarantee a VONC being upheld is it sensible to persue one? A failed VONC is in effect a vote of confidence, and what we definitely don’t need is an emboldened Boris Johnson and ERG.

It’s easy to say “he should call a VONC” but few seem to have considered the outcome if its unsuccessful.