Exact position a month back , enquired about Ribble Grand Fondo on here, son was adamant he wanted new from Decathlon, literally stood at checkout , I said give us half an hour to go and meet someone off the forum and have a look at a full carbon bike, no I want this, please, ok then , saw the bike it was mint and he wanted it straight away and under £400.Happy days, so i would say hold out for a quality second hand one, good luck.