Bruders, I’ve just read through all these posts and related threads. I am really deeply touched by your situation and my heart screams out for you. I am also greatly moved by the outpouring of sympathy and support by others in this thread, you are are surely amongst good people. I’m afraid I have nothing i can say or do to make things different. All I have to offer is that when I have suffered loss which does not yet come close to this, I have lifted my head to look around, people often wonder what happens when someone dies, if anything lives on, and what that might be.
When i looked around, i saw the lives touched by the recently deceased, I saw how everyone they encountered has been changed, even if only a little, as a result of meeting them, this means all those close to you as well as all those hairy unknowns out here. Everyone is slightly changed as a result of the life of your young child. So without any reference to religion or faith, I think there is where he continues to live on, a little part of of all us is better for having known of his life, and there his ‘spirit’ lives, in all of us.

Hope it doesn’t seem too twee, but it was something which came out of reading everyone’s posts.

Only on matters of morals and faith is the pope infallible – that is quite a broad church

nearly, it is this but only when he defines doctrine, ex cathedra is the term sought. And even then canon law requires that it has to be manifestly demonstrated. This was last invoked in 1950, referring to the assumption of the virgin Mary, and then 100 years previous to that, regarding the immaculate conception, and this was before papal infallibility was defined at the first Vatican Council.

i read as funny, old, weak. Thought you were paging me

but Cougar, those aren’t affecting mainstream schools, those are things you have to opt into. People will be able to buy stuff like that no matter what. It isn’t part of the national school curriculum, is only approved by schools way out there which aren’t accepted by the mainstream. We can’t dictate what people can and cannot teach their children. We can bother to stop it from entering our national systems, and frankly if we don’t bother enough about our kids education to counter it rather than ban it then …well.

I’ve just put the end of a pen in my mouth, that doesn’t make it a chip butty.

not very useful. unless you put the pen in your mouth because you thought it was a chip butty.

I don’t say that makes him a god, but it would seem that some folks view him very much like a god

That’s ‘chip butty’ and ‘attempted murder’ if this is about point scoring then i don’t want to play

So, when people pay homage to him, and ‘pray’ to him. Is that not a bit goddy?

and for some he was the incarnation of a ‘cosmic force’ which also sounds a little familiar

I’m really not sure where you’re going with this. “Attempted murder” is a crime, it’s illegal. I mentioned it as a counterexample to your suggestion that it’s fine to try anything you like so long as you don’t succeed.

Yeah, but not really that useful a comparison when compared to lobbyists or campaign groups pushing for their view to be included in the curriculum. The opportunity cost aspect is really the point that if we remove the scope for those people to push that point, we also remove that right for ourselves. yes, there is a small cost, but it is not really harmful. All part of life’s variety. My point, which folks seemed to object to was that if some people want to campaign for certain changes to the curriculum, then fine, let them.

You have heard of “opportunity cost” ?

Prepared to pay that cost for some democracy

“Attempted murder”.

You may well have been the victim of attempted murder, just not known it, has it bothered you?

It’s when imagination then gets trotted out as fact and pressure groups try to get it taught in science lessons that we have a problem.

Not a problem if there are folks trying, folks try all kinds of stuff, there’s a lot of variety. The problem would be if they were successful.

If every trace of any single religion were wiped out again and nothing was passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it out again. Without hype, Lot’s salt-heap ho would never be thought of again. Without science, the Earth still goes around the sun and someday someone will find a way to prove that again.

Yeah, but we’d have no history either, the story of Henry VIII and his six wives would never be retold, doesn’t mean its not true. I’m not saying that PJ is wrong, but he’s chosen a poor example, i think

I imagined that you did!

yeah, but there will be lot’s who don’t believe because it wasn’ in their family

what’s a lanyard for?

oh, i see, not convinced though

what’s that little wotsit with the hole in, between the snippers and the little flat screwdriver?

I expect there are more people who are brought up religious and later reject it than there are brought up secularly and subsequently find god.

This seems say the peer influence reason is flawed

Research has shown, the vast majority don’t believe what they don’t believe because they copied their parents and/or peers?

I have a dedicated snow shovel, I can clear half my street in about 10 mins.

I wish mine was as dedicated. It’s a lazy bugger which needs pushing around before it does any work, beside which it’s in the shed and i can’t get the shed door open because …erm… of the snow and anyway, it’s not my pavement. If you’re so keen on clearing up stuff which isn’t yours freom stuff which isn’t your fault, start picking up some dog turds

That is a selective quotation D0nk, it certainly seems more complex than that. I think Leo XII was before second vatican council which chznged a lot of things, dunno about view on Word of God though

I love these STW threads where people argue stuff without having a basic understanding of the subject.

I hate these STW threads where people try to find and argument when there isn’t one. I’m not arguing. But nice try.

Then you would probably know better than I, but I’ve not heard others claiming the bible was God’s words

Is the bible the word of god?

No, I think most mainstream Christian religions would say No. I think in Islam, the Koran is the word of God, but I don’t think there is such a claim in Christianity. I’m not sure though

not believing in astrology

surely that would be Strology

(Most) Christians hold to some of the OT, but say some bits are cultural or historical and so don’t apply, or were superseded by something in the NT.

A cynic might wonder about some of this

seems to me they might be thinking about their religion, not just blindly accepting, that’s a good thing right?

I just googled polygamy and then spent the rest of the evening following the links from the wiki page!

Ok, so it might yet be a minority sport?

Atheism is specifically not about belief or faith, it is specifically about evidence based facts.

I’m not sure those two bits necessarily go together

I thought Abrahamic meant the religions which held Abraham as a leader of some sort, basically Christian, Jewish and Muslim. They don’t all hold to the OT do they?

Atheism is a belief system too

My reading of that is that A-Theism, is by definition the lack or non belief in a god or gods.

Though, it looks like th point is being made that those who are atheist are happy enough to believe in other things which they do not really understand and have not seen evidence for but will accept it because of their framework of how the world works.

Some interesting stuff here, even if only scanned most of it Rusty Spanner those figures on polygamy are very interesting. What do they mean by societies? It looks like almost all societies are polygamous in some way or other. Such a strange result! What is the story behind it?

No, no you are right, you are a wild-eyed loner standing at the gates of Oblivion. You need to hitch a ride on the last freedom moped out of Nowhere City. Either that or just grow up.

Just so you know, it’s not actually that important what happens here.

That’s exactly the point that some people are trying to make to the mods. But you did well to put it succinctly. Thanks

Get some cardboard, cover it in tinfoil, stick it down the back of your rad. Done. Deal.

Bought 14

reporting a post to the mods – for ****’s sake

I’ll let you into a secret…No one is reporting anything to the mods

Why deliberately annoy the people who provide/mod the forum? I doesn’t make sense.

I’m not sure there are many who do this, but it is difficult to predict what will annoy the providers / mods. It’s a bit like living in an abusive relationship where things can be going along happily, then without realising it you appear to have transgressed in some way and are punished or have your actions curtailed. Then if you dare to question why you are being treated as such, you are further punished. I don’t say this as a criticism. I think it’s a fantastic way to run the forum.

lol ist VERBOTEN!!

Ah yes! It was great. This forum was much better 20 minutes ago.

Keep us posted!

Which one was that?

boomshanka

May the seed of your loins grow fruitful in the belly of your woman

Neil?

Ftumch

What do you write, Frank?

your name? I’ve just opened the email from you. I already know who you are.

Cheers or Best Wishes

Oh and why is it whenever anyone comes on to have a grump about the way other people write they always make some karmic error?

As an aside, did anyone who’s seen it think it seemed like a Castaway remake, only with more tiger and less Wilson?

😀 yeah and Castaway was just a remake of Gilligan’s Island!
I also thought Up was pretty much the same as Apollo 13!

WTF???

River Avon is one of the River River things I think.

But which Avon? There are loads of them