gordimhor – Member
SD-253 That article quoted by yourself and in toby youngs blog refers to the situation in 2004,10 years ago. Still I note that one middle class left of centre politically correct media outlet is mildly critical of what you claim is a middle class left of centre media outlet.
The point for this thread would surely be that people in an independent Scotland would still have access to the BBC,The Guardian and all the rest of the media including The Telegraph.

Somehow this blog on Scottish independence became a blog on immigration, which is nothing to do with independence. But the supporters decided to throw it in as way of ambushing people so that they can call those against racist. Also there was little or no reason for independence other than a hatred of the English. I am personally in favour if we don’t have to continue to subsidise Scotland. But it appears thats not whats going to happen. It appears we are expected to continue to do so

winston_dog – Member
I have no intention to censor your views.

why did you make the assumption
Because it seems more likely than an interest in domestic kitchen appliances.

You still have failed explain where the Nazi bit comes from. And merely mentioning Nazis in a blog like this is as near as you can get to calling me one. All be it a rather cowardly way.

.aphex_2k – Member
paracord,

Where did you get the para cord from? I piled in on my last jump and I reckon missing para cord in my rigging lines was contributetry factor!!!

Nobeerinthefridge – Member
I’ve got to 38 years, and spent a wee bit of it in the outdoors, and I’ve never felt the need to carry a knife. I feel so inadequate now, reading this.

I’m not against knife carrying per se, not at all, but I have never really heard an argument that justifies carrying one? I think you have read a multitude of arguements for carrying a knife. As stated for gutting a rabbit etc and my mushroom knife. I think maybe you just don’t want to listen therefore you won’t here. Or in this case taking your hands from over your eyes would help!

Chopping an apple or cutting cheese? Really? Do these people not have teeth?.

don’t tell me you haven’t used a knife to cut up cheese or for that matter an apple. That is just bollocks

Educate me please

pointless if you refuse to be

I do have a bread maker I had to change my name as unlike other people I used my full name and was not ashamed of what I wrote on here but as my name is extremely rare bigots on here were able to guess my email address and I got extremely offensive e-mail. The instruction book for my bread maker just happened to be in front of me when I changed it.

.winston_dog – Member
assume you are talking about me

Of course I was.so were implying I was Nazi

I never actually called you a Nazi. I simply made an observation that your log in may be connected to military equipment that was operated by the German Army during the time of the Nazis.

on what basis would you assume I had any interest in Nazi equipment? Is there such a thing as Nazi equipment? Commonsense says German army equipment unless you are saying they something just for Nazi/SS troops?

Now I may be completely wrong

Again why did you make the assumption in the first place. Sorry but you have no chance of censoring my views

And now from the The politically correct Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/03/bbc-deep-liberal-bias-immigration

Also from the Telegraph.

he BBC could have saved itself some money and just bought a copy of the Daily Mail. In November of last year, it reported that the outgoing Africa editor of the BBC World Service thinks people who vote Conservative are “lower then vermin”. Four years ago, the paper revealed that the BBC’s controller of drama Ben Stephenson wanted material that was more “left of centre” – the BBC’s drama output being insufficiently Left-wing in his opinion. This is not a view shared by Peter Sissons, according to an article by him in the Mail in 2011. “At the core of the BBC, in its very DNA, is a way of thinking that is firmly of the Left,” he wrote.
Alternatively, they could read Guilty Men, Peter Oborne and Frances Weaver’s essay for the Centre for Policy Studies, in which they expose the full extent of the BBC’s bias over the single currency – it was fanatically pro, obviously – or just visit this website which documents the daily instances of the BBC’s out-and-out Left-wingery.

Reference BBC admitting bias in favour of immigrants
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100224821/bbc-pays-175000-to-discover-it-has-a-liberal-bias-on-immigration/

winston_dog – Member
You do realise that you are arguing about immigration with someone who seems to have a log in that is also a WW2 Nazi Personnel Carrier?

am I to assume you are talking about me but haven’t got the back bone to say it? Calling me Nazi is yet another attempt at censorship. Either I agree with you or I am Nazi. What a sick view.

wiggles – Member
yes supply AND demand… but as mentioned if the bankers(not just them) hadn’t sent us into a recession then there would be a lot more demand for workers than there is now,

I believe unemployment is getting close to pre recession figures and the working classes wages are continueing to fall. How can you not see that any increase in demand for Labour will be filled by immigration and not by higher wages??

.gordimhor – Member
I do not believe that the BBC has “admitted” being in favour of immigrants. However I will loudly applaud if it has.

Biased in its news reporting of immigration.
Have I got this right you support bias in a news broadcastor or you support bias in news broadcasters who support your views? The BBC is paid by the taxpayer I would have thought only facists etc would support bias by a state broadcastor.

.gordimhor – Member
Youre right about Boston situation SD-253 but it is you who is being selective with statistics. The Boston situation is not repeated throughout the UK. As for the real reason wages have fallen so far behind inflation, I reckon the culprits are in the banks and in Conservative Party Head Office,

So supply and Demand are not a factor in the Labour market? Drugs are bad for you!!

Not illegal if you make them self employed or you give them 12 hours worth of parcels to deliver in 8 hours. The recent tv programme followed delivery drivers being paid for 8 hours still working after 14 hours. Again supply and demand the influx of legal immigrants has resulted in pressure on working class wages…. Are you seriously denying that?

.gordimhor – Member
Cheers Northwind you got that right!I have no evidence to back this up with but I really believe a lot of people currently supporting Ukip on immigration would change their mind if other mainstream parties would try to take on the issues rather than weeping and wailing about how awful the people supporting ukip or complaining about immigration are, currently the whole immigration debate is driven by The Daily Mail/ Daily Express and other right wing media,th e mainstream parties have left the ground open to con men like Nigel Farage etc

. Correct all the news is supplied by the Daily Mail nobody listens to the BBC? Which has admitted that it is biassed in favour of immigrants. I expect the Mails readership probably amounts to 5% of the population all of whome receive news from the BBC as well.

.wiggles – Member
Care to show any proof immigration leads to lower wages?

I believe its called supply and demand! I am ignoring the main supporters of immigration the Labour party saying exactly that.

As already pointed out recent studies have shown immigrants are net contributors to the economy and

only if you are selective with the statistics Boston is struggling to supply medical care for vast increase in immigrants. Schools have to teach children to speak English before they can teach them normally. Clearly there is an increase in costs or alternatively the British born children are loosing out. There’s always this assumption that immigrants will stay in the UK and continue to pay high taxes and be net contributers thats assuming they are (they are not). Why would they do this? Once there own country catches up economically they will be off. Leaving us with more schools, hospitals etc than we need.

we (possibly) have more people leaving the country than coming in.

wow you must be the only person who believes that. And please tell me why the “books should balance”

People working for less than minimum wage is not just down to immigration is it? just because people are allowed into the country doesn’t mean nothing can be done to stop them working illegally…

actually that is entirely the cause when we were short of Labour wages went up again supply and demand. AND I was not aware I was talking about illegal immigrants, where did I mention them? But as you brought it up it does appear that there is nothing that can be done to stop them working illegally BUT I doubt they are the main contributers to the working class being spat on by the middle class. No that is down to people who support mass immigration. Oh well at least your Labour party has garunteed its self lots of extra votes!

gordimhor – Member
Scotland needs a different immigration policy because the population of working age is shrinking and the elderly population is growing.

as per the rest of the UK and for that matter the whole of the EU. So what the hell are you talking about? Why make up excuses for leaving the union? Just be honest,is that within your ability?

.scotroutes – Member
SD-253 » you haven’t answered the question why does Scotland need immigrants from outside the EU?
Who has said it needs immigrants specifically from outside the EU?

what other possible reason would it need a different immigration policy?

.seosamh77 – Member
SD I don’t know if you are racist or not, I do think you are a tadger though!

. No idea what that means guessing it means working class scum who doesn’t know his place? Forgive me if I got that wrong!

scotroutes – Member
SD-253 »
Since when does the UK set the rules for immigration? And do please tell me how Scotland is affected by UK immigration rules.
Immigration policy is not currently devolved to the Scottish Government.

you haven’t answered the question why does Scotland need immigrants from outside the EU?

.scotroutes – Member
SD-253, I get paid £6.31 an hour. You

. I don’t believe you, if you did you would understand just how badly effected the working class are by mass immigration. AND wages which are far below £6.31 an hour. My wages? I live of you I have a Army disability pension. So I can only gain from mass immigration but I have morals. I don’t like to see people working 12 hours a day 6 days a week to get the equivalent of what you get for 36 hour week.

.konabunny – Member
Gordimhor: it says

Scotland’s differing demographic and migration needs mean that the UK immigration system has not served our interests
It doesn’t say

Scotland needs more immigrants

Since when does the UK set the rules for immigration? And do please tell me how Scotland is affected by UK immigration rules. Surely Scotland can get the immigrants it needs from within the EU? Or are you saying you need non EU immigrants? Your answer IF it is forthcoming will be interesting!

.seosamh77 – Member
You never quoted anyone. You suggested it. Attenborough is wrong if he said that, you got linkage? Curious to see his actual wording, I know he has issues about overpopulation, that I don’t agree with

no your right just waiting for someone to imply that I am racist because of my views on population.. Didn’t take long!

.seosamh77 – Member
Of course you gain enormously by that… Lucky you!
I’m as working class as you can get. HeeHaw wrong with immigration. Newsflash not everyone in the world wants to come here.

yes no doubt your great granny lived in a shoe and therefore you are by association working class. Again irony

[/quote]PS BTW there are also more people who have left these shores to go live elsewhere than have actually came here. So the whole immigration thing balances itself out really(it’s known that immigrants are net contributors to the economy). I saw something the other day, currently there are around 5 mil British nationals living abroad and around 4 million immigrants have came to the uk.

just as a matter of fact there is a huge amount of working class who get no where near minimum wage because according to the Labour party mass immigration has reduced working class income. On the good side (irony) the middle class have cheap labour reducing there cost of living so that evens it out! PS let me be more precise vast amounts of the working class get nowhere near minimum wage. Of course you gain enormously by that… Lucky you!

.seosamh77 – Member
SD253 you do know that the last time the UK had a population of 30 million was in 1860. What’s the case for a return to that number? And how would you implement a reduction plan, who goes and who stays?

PS BTW there are also more people who have left these shores to go live elsewhere than have actually came here. So the whole immigration thing balances itself out really(it’s known that immigrants are net contributors to the economy). Saw something the others day. Currently around 5 mil British nationals living abroad and around 4 million immigrants have came to the uk.. I don’t believe the population of the UK should be 30 million I was just quoting David Attenborough who believes that natural population of the UK should be 30 million. Now call him a racist

. piemonster – Member
Just for the record.

As far as I’m aware, the actions of ‘Moderators’ on internet forums pose no infringement on free speech.

Somebody owns this website site, and its not you. It’s their right to control what is posted.

If you wish to post missguided inflammatory bile. You’ll need your own website forum. Or you could nip over to the Mail. well there is a new excuse for censorship! As it happens I have never read the Mail and constantly suggesting I have is yet another attempt at censorship. IE his views should be ignored because he reads the Mail. As if Mail readers have no right to a view whatever it maybe. Typical middle class political correct everybody is entitled to a view as long as it agrees with ours. Opps did I go to far? Please don’t report me to the moderator I promise I will keep my opinions to myself in future. That way only your opinion will be read and the working class will kneel in front of you and know what it is right and wrong. After all what do we know we are just thick working class scum!

“Scotland’s differing demographic and migration needs mean that the UK immigration system has not served our interests,”
in other words Scotland needs more immigrants. Supporting independence does not make a person or party racist.Knowing that many Scots find the term Jock irritating you chose to use it imo that shows you are not serious about wanting to put forward those views you claim to hold. Perhaps you should practice some self censorship in order to put your opinions over more effectively.

Have I got this right Scotland wants more immigrants? Are you real? Or is it that Scotland wants more non English immigrants? I actually doubt they want or need more immigrants. I would suggest that the UK should not have a population greater than 30 million.

Just a suggestion Canada to Mexico definitely not the other way round as the wind only blows one way North to South. It used to be one road all the way Highway 1. Now it is Highway 101 which doesn’t follow the coast exactly. Straitens the old Highway 1 from Canada to around Eurika (no positive on the latter). After that it becomes Highway 1 again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_1

saleem – Member
Very surprised when back home to Inverness to hear most of the family saying no to independence, far cry from what everyone used to say when I lived there

But will they vote? Odds are the one’s that are for it are more likely to vote. While the one’s against won’t bother. Or am I just being hopeful!

Many years ago the social decided they would reduce the amount of people investigating fraud as they believed it was not cost efficient. IE it was costing them more than it was saving. Of course it soon becomes obvious to people and the result it is a big increase in people working when on the dole. No different here as this is blatant I know you are going to do nothing about it so I am safe to do it?

IanMunro – Member

A knife for bushcraft?
Things have moved on

Not sure but are remarks like this classed as Troll?

PPS used my pen knife to turn my Rohloff to remove my gear changer the other day. Didn’t have any coins on me.

PS I have a mushroom knife as well.

PS Stanley knife is hell of a lot more dangerous than a pen knife with no point. A killer if run across the Jugular vein

I have one pen knife and one lock knife, the latter never leaves my property as it is matter of opinion wherever there legal or not. The laws says it is okay if you have a good reason for carry them. Most people I know carry one. I do live rural and use mine fo skinning and gutting rabbits pheasant and pigeons. And if I am really lucky a bit of road kill Muntjac. Anything bigger I have call someone as I only cycle. I don’t know of single rural stabbing and as I get about a bit ie I drink at more than 1 pub I assume I would have. I think in rural areas it may just be the norm, where ever you need one or not although there is always a time when you will. Saw someone stripping a wire with one once. Definetly not for stabbing people. Suggesting otherwise is a knee jerk towny/troll/middle class politically correct view!

mikewsmith – Member
yes, I only got £1k of the stuff before someone noticed that I had opened an account in their name…

cbmotorsport – Member
I’d feel so silly stealing Derek Starship as an identity…

Are these people called Trolls? Not entirely sure what the word means.

dan198 – Member
I had my bank account emptied to the tune of over a grand a few years ago thanks to someone cloning my card.

HSBC were actually quite good at giving me my money back, and it all came good.

The police were next to useless though. The scum bag had used my cloned card to pay for a rental deposit. Despite providing the name of the rental company, and them knowing the blokes address the police weren’t interested in chasing it up No two ways about it the police just don’t care in your case they would almost certainly have caught them. Recently someone damaged a mates car in supermarket car park, he knew who it was the police said would check video. 6 months later still not got back to him. I live in a rural area and know where the police will be 3 police cars will be at 1pm at the same cafe every day. That’s clear statement of we do care about crime?

crashtestmonkey – Member
put your mobile number on each advert.
remember a comment on a previous ebay discussion “if your auction ends youre doing it wrong”.

Have sold a £500 frame and a £600 bike “off” ebay, in both cases met the buyer so they could inspect and walk away, they saved shipping fees, I saved a fortune in PP/Ebay fees. Abuse of their T+Cs? Maybe. Bothered? Nope
Can’t argue with you if your a seller but as generally no downside if buyer. Also no chance of selling of Ebay for some items, clothing for example. Collection only generally gets you a lower price although not always (someone selling hay near me therefore collection only no option) I think Mobile phone in the advert would appear to be a good idea. The only problem is your back to collection as I can’t see how you can buy without worrying about getting the goods via postage and no Ebay/PayPal protection. Anyone know how??

UKIP supporters want to leave the European Union therefore racist. Scottish Nationalist want to leave the Union but not Rasicst? The hypocrisy of the middle class politically correct and of course the jocks themselves. I wonder how long before the latter complain to the moderator and have these views removed and me blocked again? Uhmm is that called censorship?

Bought this one in the end http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130959379566?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649k
Despite the Good advice I received. Looking at main bike I have decided that the risk to My disc brakes was non existent as my Rohloff gear changer would protect it! As I definitely don’t want that damaged I went for the trailer attached to the Seat post. Will give my opinion when I try it. Thanks again