thebunk – Member
27-24 iz 3 more gears innit! And Bouncy Bouncy at both endz! For 150 quid! Bargain!

Again you are not taking into account the big benefits for cyclist who use there bikes a lot. And possibly being a little hypocritical if you are car driver?
ALSO
How to count gears. Each chain wheel at the front is equal to 2 at the back ie it is twice the distance apart. If you have 1 cog on the front and 9 on the back then you only have 9 gears?
If you put another cog on the front then that gives you an extra 2 gears thats why when you change down at the front (2 gears) you change up at the back 1 gear total gear change 1 gear? Add another gear at the front you have another 2 gears. Therefore 9 + 2 + 2 equals 13 on a so called 27 geared bike. Removing 1 gear at the back obviously cannot be removing 3 gears????

Toasty – Member
A lot of the cost is the huge battery pack as well, for £60 you could have had a much more powerful emitter and a big rechargable battery pack.

For double that again you could have a quad cree with a big flood, for double again you’d get a solid warranty + support + a nicely CNC’d + waterpoof guaranteed body.

Diminishing returns, as with anything obviously.

Can you give me an example? Is a quad cree a 4 light.
I am using Trail Tech HIDs 650 Lumens, which I am very happy with but I just bought an unused Trail Tech 800 lumens LED. As I already have 2 very large battery space batteries for my Trail tech hids and charger. I thought I had better stick with them. But as stated earlier I am not sure the price is true reflection of costs especially when I look at the cheap but bright LEDs on EBay.

thebunk – Member
I know, I mean, you can buy bikes for £150 from Argos too! Disc Brakes, full suspension and everything. OK, it’s ‘only’ 24 gears but I don’t why you’d want to spend more for just 3 more gears and a bit less weight.

27-geared bike has only one more gear than a 24-geared bike. After all all you are adding is one more cog on the back. A 27-geared bike has 27 combinations of 13 gears.
Reference savings you have to take into account how dependant a person is on his bike. Also most car drivers would move up a level or 2 if they could afford with no discernable benefit i.e. you won’t get there any quicker or be nay more comfortable, I am of course ignoring conspicuous consumption. While an extra gear or a lighter bike has clear benefits for the cyclist who uses his bike as a means of transport.

Edukator – Member
Given that Wind production avoids turning on some of the most expensive contracted gas-fired electricty during demand peaks then it saves the consumer money

Why wind production be at its highest during peak needs? If they can supply during peak needs they would not need gas at all?

Edukator – Member
I said 1-3 years for to quote myself “energy payback”.

Please don’t misquote me SD253. I’m very carefull to read what you say and quote you accurately.

“I said 1-3 years for to quote myself “energy payback” You quote yourself? No I don’t get that are you saying you get your money back in 1-3 years or carbon payback. Either way I don’t believe you. By the way you are not very carefull to read what I say and quote me accuaretly.

Edukator – Member
Given that Wind production avoids turning on some of the most expensive contracted gas-fired electricty during demand peaks then it saves the consumer money.

When Spain”s windmills are running well they can turn off all the gas stations.
Rubbish there is always gas powered stations running in the background. Windfarms are never that reliable. The weather forecast can say winds of 30kmh and windmills can still stop as there is break in the wind. Are you saying that Spain at times runs entirely on wind?

TooTall – Member
SD-253

He means carbon payback, not cash. Here are further details to back his point and refute your timescales:

http://info.cat.org.uk/questions/pv/what-energy-and-carbon-payback-time-pv-panels-uk

There is spare capacity at night in the grid – largely because we’re generating that electricity from burning coal and oil. Ultimately we will run out of them and need other forms of energy, like solar and wind.
Yes you are right if you steal of the poor you can get a quick feedback. You do know that last year (january) the variation in electricity production for windpower was 1 mega watt to 124 megawatt. Therefore at all times a gas powered station is running in the background……………windpower…….junk

Edukator – MemberYou talked about carbon so I talked about carbon, SD-253.

If you wish to talk about financial payback we can. My own PV system is on target to pay for itself in 6.5 years thanks to a generous feed-in tarif when I signed the contract.

My solar thermal will take longer to pay for itself: 11-12 years based on a conservative estimate of gas/electricity saved of 95e a year and a total cost of 1100e. Since the middle of April I’ve only had to switch the immersion heater on twice (when we had guests). Depending on the weather, the sun provides all of our hot water for 5-6 months, most of it for another three months and still makes some contribution in the coldest, darkest months.

You get about 25% less solar radiation in the southern UK but even with a corresponding increase in financial payback times both PV and solar thermal are viable.

You said 1 to 3 year not 6. Further more as you are getting 4 times the electtric selling cost ie 40p not 10p. Then 4 x 6 = 24years before payback without the ludicrous feed in tariff. You have now changed the environmetal payback to 24years. Are you on drugs or something ENVIRONMENTAL FEEDBCK 24 YEARS. The fact is you are ripping off other electricity users by significantly increasing there bills

My solar thermal will take longer to pay for itself: 11-12 years based

Is this the 3 year payback???????
Does it make you feel good when you have your friends round for a dinner party to tell them how you are saving the world by significantly increasing the cost of electricity for those who cannot aford to buy this fake environmental goods. I am talking of course about the working class and the retired.
As far aas I am concerened you are a typical greedy grabbing member of the Liberal (so called) middle class who pays lip service to the environment.

Edukator – Member
SD253:

I am against solar because we are in the UK but and they do not offer value for money AND they are no good for the environment. Nobody seems to take in the environmental investment cost. IE something that produces 25 tonnes of carbon to make and saves 1 ton a year and has a life expectancy of 20 years.

Care to apologise for calling me a liar.
Let me think about it……… no pr*ck Yet again I was giving an example of the failure to take in the investment cost. Now after considering your belief that you can get back your investment in 1 year that is a belief that you think everyone who is on this site is thick. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. AND I HAVE CHECKED WITH FIRMS WHO HAVE SAID THE SAME. YOU ARE TALKING SHITE. As a matter of interest does anyone think they can get there money back in 1 year

The payback is a year to three years for PV in Europe depending on latitude and panel type

in 1 year you can get your money back??? Stop taking drugs there bad for you!! Before you report me I would stress that was joke…..Honest

Northwind – Member
It’s not a Marathon Plus, as has been explained to you, it’s a Marathon Plus ATB- you bought the wrong tyre. Wind it in.

I will admit to being a prick though. Famous for it really.

Wow! Now that is taking pedantic to extreme. I said it was a marathon Plus wherever it is a Marathon Plus ATB is completely irrelevant. You are in fact one of the most pathetic person I have ever come across on the Internet. Do you ever admit to being wrong? I am staggered just how pathetic you are, honestly I can’t believe it. Get a life.

Northwind – Member
I for one would like to express my utter shock [list]that it turned out not to be a Marathon Plus.[/list] Amazing nobody saw it coming really.

Don’t be prick admit it when you are wrong

druidh – Member
That’s a Marathon Plus ATB. not like a normal “street” Marathon/PLus at all. The street version will tend to through water out sideways due to the “sips”. That one is just gonna pick it up and throw it at you.

Yep no two way about that but I can’t bring myself to bin them and would never resell them. I think I will just use them for the back and get some others for the front? Thanks druidh

Northwind – Member
That doesn’t look anything like my marathon pluses.

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29erKeith – Member
+1 MrCrush

They look nothing like my Marathon plus

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MrCrushrider – Member
thats cos its not a marathon plus

OP how much did you pay for them?

Hi I am not quite sure why you all think you are so knowlegable?

You clearly are not they are as I said a discontinued tyre. Check the site below they are near the bottom

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schwalbe.asp

MrCrushrider – Member
not an Marathon Plus that mate … http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=schwalbe+marathon+plus&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1036358408564696778&sa=X&ei=XaOMTpG7FMSIhQec78TrAw&ved=0CFMQ8gIwAA

I thik the above just went for 26 pound on ebay for 2 2nd hand

Hi they are Marathon Plus the insides clearly have the puncture protection, all the decals and reflector strips are correct. you are assuming that all Marathon pluses are identical they are not. As the sites clearly shows. These are probably one of there many discontiued styles………I can’t think why. I bought them 2nd hand on Ebay, so price is irellavant a pair 2nd hand just went for 26 pound.

disco_stu – Member
I’ve been using Marathons and the Marathon Plus for the past few years and not noticed that they are any worse than other tyres.
You could try some mudguards as they really cut down on the amount of spray flung up by the tyres.

I don’t really want to fit a mudgaurd to this mountain bike but I am thinking about it. Note I am not even sure it would work as the water is coming from past the vertical and more between the horizontal and the vertical Even the handle bars are covered in mud/water. Mud gaurds don’t go round far enough? odd isn’t it? I to am using Marathon Plus and Marathon on some of my other bikes no problems

Edukator – Member
We’ve already done the energy payback time for PV panels and solar hot water heaters on STW, SD253. The payback is a year to three years for PV in Europe depending on latitude and panel type, not the 20 years you claim. The payback on thermal solar is even faster.

I claimed nothing of the sort merely giving an example of the failure to take into account investment cost to the environment,

I’m currently getting 255kWh/year per Solar World panel. In 20 years they’ll produce over 4.7 megawatt hours each assuming a pessimistic performance deterioration. Do you really think it takes 4.7 MWh to mine the materials and manufature one little panel you can pick up with ease?

Again as you are full aware I was giving an example and did not relate directly to solar per se. Why you are lying is beyond me.

An air/air heat pump working at -7°C still beats any form of E7 electrical resistance heater in terms of COP so you are better off using a heat pump even on night tarif. With a low-temperature geothermal heat pump then a COP of 4.5 is currently achievable. Why favour something with a COP of 1?

]Yet again I was not talking about a heat pump…….what was the point of saying I was?

Edukator – Member
We’ve already done the energy payback time for PV panels and solar hot water heaters on STW, SD253. The payback is a year to three years for PV in Europe depending on latitude and panel type, not the 20 years you claim. The payback on thermal solar is even faster.

I claimed nothing of the sort merely giving an example of the failure to take into account investment cost to the environment, Again as you are fully aware I was giving an example and did not relate directly to solar per se. Note if you got pay back in 3 years everyone would have one. Even using a feed in tariff no company I have checked with suggested you would get your money back in 3 never mind 1 year. And that was with a feed in tariff of 40p electricity should not be hard to find at 12p. I hope you understand what I am saying??

don simon – Member
Isn’t the main problem with the E7/storage heaters the lack of control? You’d need to keep on top of the weather forecast on the previous 24 hours so that you’d know when to charge them and when not to, equally how much to charge them too. While the bills were cheap and the house warm, I often found it too warm and had to open windows, which isn’t very efficient.

As stated they are much more controlable nowadays (not my views but of those who have it). Although you have a point about the weather forecast you still have to take into account the excellent insulation which means a latge proportion of the heat could be used the next day.

I often found it too warm and had to open windows, which isn’t very efficient.

That view implies that your radiators were very old and not very controlable but despite this you are saying it was cheap to run!!!!!! Also as I stated huge amounts of electricity as lost at night. So much so in fact that they have dug lakes at the bottom and top of mountains in Wales and dug the centre of the mountains out and put turbines in. At night they pump the water from the bottom lake to the top lake and drop it down through the turbines at peak times. Now that shows just how much spare capacity they have at night?

don simon – Member
Are these electric radiators what I would recognise as the old storage heaters? Charge them up over night and let the heat trickle out during the day, kind of thing?

Yes apart from letting the heat out as they are highly insulated of course they must let the heat out but over much longer period of time. Note the insulation varies you have pick how high an insulation you want and they still have the bricks in them.

Accumulator tank certainly seems the way to go if you have the space and the mates to help you carry it and wide enough doors. It allowes just about everything to be connected and looses 2c in 24 hours but as you will be using it that will probably mean 1c on average.
I am against solar because we are in the UK but and they do not offer value for money AND they are no good for the environment. Nobody seems to take in the environmental investment cost. IE something that produces 25 tonnes of carbon to make and saves 1 ton a year and has a life expectancy of 20 years. I think that solar is close to those sort of figures in the UK. Double glazing is definatly more costly both in money terms and evironmental terms.
Now no one seems to take into account electric central heating even using electric radaitors which are fantasticaly well insulated nowdays and have a minimal loss of heat during the day. Also they are very very enviromentally friendly as huge amounts E7 overnight electricity is wasted ie they can’t reduce output of power stations to equal use. Therfore you are in effect creating no carbon whatsoever. Even if more people used it you would be increasing the efficency of power stations.
In terms of costs LPG gives you 7.11 kw while oil gives you 10.35 kilowatts…….assuming 100% efficensy while 90% is in fact the best you can expect. My LPG costs 46.5 liter (delivery is by tanker and put into a tank in my garden). Compared to most people this is cheap a LPG price. LPG therfore cost me 7.19p per kwh. My E7 (I only have this for environmental reasons)is 6p per kw but this is a standard tarrif as I haven not changed yet to a cheaper fixed tarrif. Last year it was 3p night E7 ignoring all the money I got back at the end (63 pound and i only used 20 pound worth a month).
A friend pays 50 pound a month DD all in for his E7. despite working at home a lot. Everytime I have been there it is overly hot and he is walking round in his underwear (not a pretty site). It is 2 bed bungalow good insulation.
Now we come to wood chip no I would never touch it even, though it is cheapest. I am suspcious of where the price will be as it is becoming much more popular.
Firewood? bit dodgy this as price varies hugely around the country and can easily be much more expensive than any other form of heating. Moreover the way they sell it in terms of measurements leaves a lot to be desired 100 pound per load what kind of measurement is that? Lincolnshire is one area where I believe the cost is much higher than any other form of heating………….or is it? I have had free wood for 3 years. How did I get it? Mind your own bussiness!!!!! But it paid for the wood burner with in 2 years (no back boiler).
My choice if starting from the beginning? E7 Radiators and a wood burner. Value for money as I only have a 2 bed bungalow so I think I would be going over the top with an acumalator tank. Note if you only have electricity you cannot include the standing charge as that would be double counting. JB

http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Accumulator-hot-water-tanks.html

This is an indirect reply and will probably be of no use to you. I use Anquet maps I create a route useing anquet and then download it into my Garmin 60cs (think thats what its called). Now not sure but I think it works the other way. Never do it any other way as I can see the route before I go either walking or cycling. I genearaly have a OS map as well as I have not yet upgraded to the newer Garmins with SD cards which have a map on them. I have been using this method for years and am very very happy with it. You maybe able to download a Anquet map without buying as they stop working if you haven’t put a code in after 1 month. Sorry if this is of no use but thought I would let you know. JB

The Flying Ox – Member

Thanks. That has settled that not buying.
Anyone thinking of buying there selling on Ebay with a starting bid of 10.00 cannot remember postage. JB

PS are the winter jackets waterproof and breathable????

Teetosugars – Member
Nothing, as its cheap pikey tat.

They are selling clothing not pegs…….prick
To busy to go as none anywhere near me. Skegvegas is a smalish town so could go there 20 miles on the backroads bit worried as there is a lot of cyclists there so maybe bugger all left. Other option Grimsby……no chance not cycle through there I find busy city to scary now..well the thought of them. I caan’t believe it just spoke to a mate he is working in Skegvegas!!!!!!!!

ransos – Member
What I want to know is can a plane take off on a conveyor belt

No dummy they used giant elastic bands on ships to launch aircraft…didn’t you watch the world at war?????

toys19 – Member

ou in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions…………I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to “run away” and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

From you report above, you went further than defending yourself, you then went on the attack and were beaten by the

dam centrel locking
Keys?? not drive away without…..although I could cycle away with and then call the police??? No never entered your head? Is that is because you think i was not intelligent enought to think of that? Is everyone who disagrees with you thick…….how “liberal” middle class can you get?

The consequences of his actions should have been a call from the cops, but you took the wrong decision on that too.

No you got me there I am not perfect like you in all circumstances?

no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

That is crazy that you would think I have any empathy with or sympathy for people that threaten other people.When did I say he threatened me he attacked me there is differance……….honest.

I think you will find I am supporting you. But I don’t know if you are open minded enough to realise that.

WOW from someone who only sees one point of view’ his own I have to be open minded or put another way agree with you because that appears to be your definition of open minded

Nonsense – Member
It is entirely possible to be a victim of violent conduct without inviting it or inciting it. However swearing at people isn’t going to reflect terribly well on you either. I was the victim of threats of violence without any negative behaviour on my part. But I would always recommend calling police and make it clear that you are being physically threatened. I deal with conflict and violence a daily basis but it’s always better to call the police and explain what’s happened in a calm manner. I wasn’t suggesting squaring up to someone and using physical violence if you can avoid it. Hoewever the law does allow for a pre-emptive strike if you are genuinely in fear of your own or another’s safety. The obvious caveat is that it’s for a jury to decide if the force was reasonable in the circumstances.

Bang on statement you put it perfectly
If, just if I had got up from floor before car driver had got to me would I have been in the clear to throw the first punch note his behaviour definatly (they way he got out of the car etc) said to me he was out to “get me” and he got a few punch in first but igoring that would have punched him firsts simply based on his actions. You know if car driver gets out of his car and comes towards you can tell from his stance where ever he is likely to start fighting

toys19 – Member

If you had ever seen it you would know it relies on the fact that 10 people can not physically access 1 person, at most about 5 can get close enough at any moment. But I have been there and I am not lying. It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy. So that means he is only taking 5 at time. Not that 5 wouldn’t be able to stop with ease. Again each pathetic insult about my inteligence shows you are losing the arguement and yes I still think you are lieing it can’t be done…..how can you fight the person behind you and the person to your sides and in front at the same time??

ton – Member
however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

I am pretty certain……..no postive that that would be the ultimate wind up to a screaming loony if there was any chance of him doing it that would have sent him over the top…….. no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

toys19
The below is a load of bollocks, I cannot believe you have read the daily mail today and still find time to post here, did someone read it to you?

Wouldn’t know never read the Daily Mail nor have I read your paper the Gaurdian. Always best to insult if you lose the arguement? The Times by the way a little less bias than the Gaurdian.

UK gets threatened all the time, they mostly ignore it.

Who ignores it? I was giving example from the rabid antiright BBC

Are you telling me I should have lain on the floor taking a kicking from driver who swerved in front of me and slammed the brakes on?? That would have encouraged him do it again because he knows he can get away with it……..surely you can see that?

No but if you could have you should have buggered off.
Do you think getting into a fight with a bloke is going to teach him anything? After you have “won” do you think he will go home and reappraise his views on driving and agree with your view of his driving? He will just go and feel more bitter and probably run over more cyclists, in fact I imagine his behaviour with you happened because of previous altercations. Make peace, walk away.

That is an alternative view but in my opinion (am I allowed one as I am working class and not one one of the Liberal middle class?)you in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions…………I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to “run away” and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

toys19 – Member

hardest bloke I know, a 7th dan aikido sensei claims to have never been in a fight, he always walks away. How do I know he is hard? I have been involved in 10 man attacks on him. After he has won he will find the person who was holding back in the attack the most and make you pay, so next time you know to go in as hard as possible. We all try to mash him up and he is untouchable. Number 1 rule of aikido? Man up and walk away.
I have never heard so much shite in all my life 10 men attck him all at the same time and he can fight them all off?????? You have been watching to many Bruce Lee films. NO ONE NO ONE what so ever can do that you would simply be on him and pinning his arms to his sides immediatly. That remark is an insult to peoples intelligence. Maybe if they came at him one at a time then it is possible but if you are saying all at once then you are lieing end of.

toys19 – Member
If someone threatens you with violence the only way to win is to get away from that violence.

Sorry but have to disagree with you. You are merely encouraging them. They think they can do it to anyone and that everyone will back down. Hell you just have to listen to Muslim extremist who constantly say that UK is weak and they will force sharia law hear first. The attack on the twin towers was based on osama bin laden belief that the US was a “paper tiger”…….mistake?? If you read no-nonsense the policeman above he says the same thing in roundabout way?? Are you telling me I should have lain on the floor taking a kicking from driver who swerved in front of me and slammed the brakes on?? That would have encouraged him do it again because he knows he can get away with it……..surely you can see that?

toys19 – Member
I think responding is, in law considered a poor show. If you have a choice to walk away and you don’t then this might not reflect well in a legal situation. Always best to walk away. It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than to face and fight (that’s what my uncle told me after I ran off when some kids tried to beat me up and I was gutted with myself for being chicken.)

Yeah thinking your uncle was talking bollocks there it definatly does not take a bigger man to walk away than face the fight. It is much harder to stand and fight what your uncle should have said is you had no chance against that many so you didn’t run away you beat a hasty retreat. At the end of the day they would have always looked at beating you up as a victory and you stopped them doing so. Also how do you walk or cycle for that matter away from car driver? your asking to be run over?
Just as a matter of interest does not resonding mean lieing down and letting him kick you?

joao3v16 – Member
Do Some Cyclists Bring Trouble On Themselves?

YES by riding a bike

Junkyard – Member

Indeed. Has anyone actually ever got involved in such a situation without inciting it?

I don’t really understand why people are so keen to insult the drivers, but not deal with the concequences, and no one’s yet managed to give a coherent answer. It all comes across as cowardly bravado to me I must say. I would think

Nonsense

the police man above meets the definiition of not inciting the situation? Am I or anyone else inciting the sitaution when a car driver pulls out in front of you? Yes I suppose we are if you take the side of the car driver all the time which cyclist would not….do you own a bike? thats not one that hangs in the garage except for the odd day in the summer? Cowardly? Well saying things like that on the internet and knowing you will never have to back it up says all you need to know about you. How do you write a chicken noise?

Defended yourself? obviously once he stops and gets out of the car he is going to attack you or at least that is a reasonably belief on your part (I am thinking court procedings). IE hit him first before he hits you which is reasonble thing to assume. Recently cycle home on a wide but completely unlit back road a car got to close I shouted at him he reversed back drove alongside me i gave as much as I got verbally he speeded up swerved in front of me and slamed the brakes on I went down well over the handle bars he was out of the car and at me before i could get up (bad gash on the knee). Etiher way he decided quickly he didn’t want any of it I tried to get him out of the car but dam centrel locking. As it happens there was witness who came back but as she didn’t get his registration number and neither did I . I told her not to bother to call police (she had the phone out ready). Daft, as at the end of the day he may have been picked up just by being in a small red car……..I know sounds unlikely but at night little trafic and it is very rural area. And he would have got done for at least leaving the scene of an accident??????? Am I right on the latter

I am afraid the NiMh are the most robust battery availble and when they make hybrid ones they will be the ultimate in robustness (is that a word?) Of course they loose it when it comes to weight to power ratio……..pity

freddyg – Member
I recently dug my Lumicycles out of the garage too. Put the battery on charge only to find that the cells became so hot, I couldn’t pick them up with bare hands! I guess they’re borked

Left to long without recharging and went to total discharge and at that point battery capacity starts to deteriorate rapidly?????????
Happend to me twice once buggered off for 3 months came back battery exactly the same could have cooked my dinner on it. Then I did the ultimate I left the battery attached to the light in my panniers at some point they were swithched on…… 3rd battery knacered. The first one was destroyed when i dropped it and did not notice a slight crack in it in goes the water!

Store in fridge was on the battery space site (where I bought my last 2 trail tech batteries from) so going with them and the fact that if I recharge after 2 months in the fridge it goes to fully rechaged in about 10 mins. Of course in a sealed box will meeet the dry criteria

Lithium like all rechargable batteries are damaged by complete drain (note when your lights go out there is still some power in there as there is a cut out). Lithium more so than any other dichageable battery (I know to my cost). Also according to manufactures if you store a battery fully charged it will lose 20% capacity a year while storing at 40% you will lose 6% a year. Storing???? It appears to be anytime you are not using it. Storing a battery in fridge extends the amount of time it will hold its charge dramaticaly. I note that a lot of lithium battery sellers for laptops also say you should discharge fully and then recharge 3 times when you get them and regularly afterwords. I note that the Kalkoff power assited bike battery charger has a bult facility for the latter. Hope this helpfull
PS if you store it at 100% and then recharge when it is below 100% then this not counted as storing at 100% only if you constantly top it up. ie your mobile phone battery is stored at 50% on average