the Lordswood lot ride on Thursday eves around the woods near Sotty,

this for Thursday and there is a group that rides at QECP on Fridays.

al – Member

The bc site does indeed list many comms. What it doesn’t show is active comms. There is a huge shortage of active comms, and issues organising them. Look at the last couple of BDSs as examples. Both under comm’d.

What do you think that is?
The way BC treats non-Olympic cycling disciplines?

If people are racing downhill on XC bikes then what’s the risk difference between that and downhill?

XC, enduro & DH could all use same trails, doesn’t mean they are the same.

BC didn’t understand enduro. as kimbers said they where think along the line of dh.

Full face – practically achievable but massively unpopular with the mass market

2 practice runs – impractical on 80% of races.

double taped – impractical on 1km+ stages

line of site marshalling – some race would have more marshals than racers!

But BC dumping enduro has had some advantages, Its forced organisers to talk to each other, its also some race to flourish and push the boundaries of what am enduro is.

https://instagram.com/southernenduro/

New to instagram but giving it a go.

mikewsmith – Member

Just to check what makes things British??? If you include superstar then you could add anyone with a warehouse in the UK.

http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/news/uk-made-sneak-peak/

Yep been chatting to the SWGE boys/Cornish pixies. In fact just message then a contact for a venue on Cornish side of the Devon/Cornwall border.

I’m a firm believer of working with the other organiser. Working in reaional silos is no good for anyone.

Without BC or some sort of enduro federation there will be no national campion. They will just be winners of the series they have entered in.

We have never had an enduro national champion so why do we need on next year GavinB?

Neilson +1

kimbers – Member

brechfa is a trail centre, further west and up round the edge a bit from Afan

trails are goof fun, though its been a while

its 7 stages day1

10 stages day 2
No I think the one day race is on the sunday mate

Anyone whos done one of Neil’s events before kind enough to explain how 3 stages on sat and 3 on sunday makes a 10 stage 2 day race?

That’s is massively confusing, Guess:

Sat:

S1
S2
S3

Sun:

S1
S2
S3
S4
S5
S6
S1

Rogate is brilliant after it rains, if its been dry for a while its rubbish.

As said its all rideable a couple of drops are not rollable but not to hard plus they have chicken lines.

A lot of local only go from the middle fire road not sure why full runs are only 45secs

scottfitz of here is setting up a southern enduo series for 2016

it might be shit! but based on the QECP events he and his team have run in the past I think itll be pretty damn good
http://southernenduro.co.uk/

Yep that’s me happy to answers any questions too.
According to Google all 4 round* will be under 1h 30mins from Islington.
First round will be in April 2016.

*If current venue plan comes off.

Also I will be running the QECP Day & Night enduro in May 2016 too.

poah – Member

what makes them offical? There not just like the UKGE wasn’t.

wideopenmag have picked up the story.

Tested : Ben’s Endura MT500 Spray Trouser Review.

i believe mbes will be 1 or 2 day up to the rider?

I think you mean:
1 day race 5ish stages only.
2 day race all 10ish stages.

I liked the seeding at UKGE and would be happy to see that replicated but the red kites this year were between 8 and 11 stages over 2 days of racing. I have not done a red kite but that sound pretty cool to me.

midwales- I know it will differ venue to venue but is your plan for the #BES2016/MBES 10ish stages over 2 day?

FeD is a non starter as you need non race promoters running it, don’t police yourself you may lose sight of your goals as your pockets get heavy.

Agree, What’s your schedule for the next 10 years? 😯

looked at them at local shop, wasn’t blown away.

me too

How about this?

http://www.stantonbikes.com/content/switchback-ti-available-preorder-50-deposit-secure-your-frame-0

My thoughts are that while we need a series across the whole country, we don’t necessarily need a “National Series”. Look at Superenduro – yes they have just had a year out, but I had a very interesting chat with Enrico at Eurobike and I think we’ll see something in 2016 from what he told me. Superenduro was never a “National Series” – it was an umbrella organisation that worked with local event organisers, leveraged the tourism money and big headline sponsors and produced high quality media content/video etc to keep exposure high for sponsors and teams, and so ensure their commitment.

I reckon we need something like that over here – in years of racing, I’ve always felt we almost apologise to local areas for the “inconvenience” of bringing hundreds of riders to an area, rather than selling them the dream of all the extra money to their campsites, pubs, farm shops etc etc etc. Essentially a charismatic frontman who can sell the value and so create excitement all round.
That was discussed at the last enduro meeting and everyone including UKGE seemed keen but that was pre no 2016 UKGE series.

BTW Steve said on more that one occasion that UKGE wasn’t ‘the National series’

wanmankylung – Member

That map is guff. It’s missing Inners and Ae for a start.
This one is much better!!

http://www.ibikeride.com/

I didn’t race an Enduro in 2015 so had no idea about dwindling numbers across several organisations….for seasons prior to that events were selling out the day entries went live!….maybe things have peaked?

Not strictly true,
most PMBA races sold out this year.
Ard’rock had 1300+ riders.

As for the QECP events they went mad in 2015 even with us pushing the numbers up, QECP Day & Night sold out in 2 days (18 day quicker that 2014) and the QECP Enduro sold out in under 2 hours (22 hours quicker than 2014). This is the main reason for starting the Southern enduro series.

So reading all the post, everyone seens to be happy someone is stepping in to run a national series.

Most people also seem to think or be of the opinion there isn’t room for 2 series to run.

So what’s the solution?

midwales – any chance you would work with the BDS guys?

As far as I am aware Si Paton and Krien Dawson have not race an enduro let along organised one.

Organising enduro events is very different to DH and hard to get right first time.

If BDS and Red kite where to team up and bring red kites enduro experience to BDS national series experience it could be a really epic series.

As for BC I would never say never but personally they would have to win me/my events back and prove to me that they are capable of supporting enduro from the ground up.

FeD is very unlikely as not all organisers would be on-board for various reasons. However I think with the right people running the FeD it would be the best way to progress the sport.

D&D cycles are top lads, give them a call.

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Mini enduro has got to be close to selling out too with 315 entries, so get in there quick if your keen.

I am just out side Manchester

Borderline / PMBA Enduro 6 – Gisburn – 11 Oct 2015:
https://www.sientries.co.uk/event.php?event_id=1882

chakaping – Member

One national series with 23 rounds and seven promoters? who gets the champs?

What I would really appreciate is a central website where I can find out what events are on when with plenty of notice. Some events take some hunting out at the moment and I often miss out due to being something of a novice around the interweb.

Roots and rain did a good job of that in 2015.

I also know endurofactory and agree about the bollox and gems too 😉

Anyone here about any of these 3 running a series in 2016?

Enduro1 Series
Mini Enduro
Spike sports

That was my point. To have a worthwhile series you need a core of people who will travel around going for the overall. UKGE had that plus the normal punters.

Yep I agree, I will be interesting to see want direction both series will take but a lot will come down to pricing in year one.

I’ve also heard rumblings that Eastridge will be on the calendar. 2016 could be a good ‘un…

Sounds like it:

“Charlie has so far sorted out one venue at Afan and the last round will possibly be in Shropshire’s Eastridge Woods; others still to be confirmed. The dates will be January 23-24th, February 20-21st, March 19-20th, April 2-3rd (Afan) and May 21-22nd orMay 28-29th.”

Also, howany average joes are likely to follow a full series around the country?

Maybe not but everyone did the full series of the UKGE. I only tend to do one a year(closest one).

To be honest, this is not good for the sport.

I disagree, Giving costumers more choice is not a bad thing.

My guess is both series will be run differently and appeal to a different audience.
as I see it,
MBES*: Average Joe’s
BES: Pro’s

* Marin British Enduro Series

British Cycling to my my best knowledge still do not recognise Enduro as a valid format.

That is my understanding too, if BC want back in they will have do a better job than before they dropped enduro

Wrecker is that from Facebook. 2 national series will make things interesting especially if there already fight over a name!

kimbers – Member

So we have 2 BES next year and 3 national champs?!

BES + champs1 = Red kite guys
BES + champs2 = BDS guys
champs3 = ??

Mid wales will be the red kite venue not Dyfi I guess.