I can assure you Im a big lad, I’m not really fussed about weight, I just weighed it out of interest – it is bang on 30.4lbs

the back end feels a lot more plusher over the Heckler,(no need to run a lot of sag as the Butcher has different spring rate to a Heckler and does not bottom out) its slacker, I can run a tapered fork and can fit a chain guide/dropper post.

Cos it’s green and my old Heckler was Black!

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Comes in at 30.4lb including pedals. Build as follows

SC Butcher frame Lime Green (L) with Fox Float R
RS Sektor 150mm Solo Air
Stans Flows on PRO2’s
Sram PC971 Chain
Sram PG980 Cassette
X9 Shifters
X9 Rear Mech
SLX Front Mech
Truvativ Stylo Double Crankset
Superstar Nano Tech pedals
Elixir CR Brakes 185/160mm Rotors
Fizik Gobi XM Saddle
Thomson 30.9 post
Thomson 50mm Stem
Syncros Gain Bars
Sunline Grips
Maxxis High Rollers (tubeless) 2.35 42a/60a

Very happy with the ride, improvement over my Heckler. Just need a chain guide now!

Yeh thats what I was hoping – I saw loads of spaces last year – nothing so far this year though.

I have the OEM 2.2 on my Whyte 901….yuk horrible tyres, quite a low volume tyre as well. Gonna get some Crossmarks I think!

MY Butcher!

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Your on the doorstep to some of the best riding in the UK IMHO

Discoduck – why did you have to get a CK for your Butcher? I have got a Hope tapered headset for my Butcher – external bottom cup and inset top cup

WMB did a Ariel vs SC Butcher, the Butcher won though!

ok yes i get you – when i re-attach pump some air escapes into the pump and this is what Im seeing disappear out of my shock – is that right?

High Rollers 42a F & 60a R work in the peak for me! on Stans FLOW as well so tubeless…great combo.

A Small block 8 wouldn’t be too bad on the rear but front? WTF no way

I am single because the relationship I was in ended (my choice) sadly my little daughter will be the only thing I miss.

All that is important at the moment is being with my daughter, then secondly getting out riding.

I’m not a bad looking 42 year old, I have a job etc so one day I may meet somebody, but if it does not happen then I will still have my daughter. 

The only bad thing is moved away from all my mates to Lincoln…and in Lincoln I dont really know anybody but I’m not moving as I want to be near my daughter!

McHamish – Member
To the OP, I’m sorry for your predicament…I think taking the moral highground and behaving in an honorable way would be the best thing but I understand that must be difficult if you feel your wife is doing the opposite.

And regarding the posturing and willy waving in this thread…why don’t you make your own thread so you can get your kicks rather than taking over this one.

Thanks this is what I intend to do.

I dont think court is the way forward.

restless – Member
I left the house because it was the best thing for my daughter and my daughters siblings.
I did not walk out on my daughter!

sounds like you are trying to ease your own conscience.
i don’t see why your ex should have consulted you on the christening. you are obviously not getting on very well. you would begrduge your own daughter a holiday, by keeping her passport, just to get one back at your ex?
you will have to communicate with your ex, in some form, for at least the next 16yrs, so i think you should start treating her, as the mother, and main care giver of your child, with a bit more respect tbh.

Excuse me?

I do not begrudge my own daughter a holiday, you may of read previously that this is the last thing I want to do, and to be perfectly honestly I want as least hassle as possible. I know the passport issue is not going to do me any favours so I am resigned to the fact that it is a card I cant play.

I communicate with my ex in the best possible way and this is not returned so how you can say I should give her a bit more respect is not really applicable!!!

Lifer – Member
ernie_lynch – Member
“please do not assume I walked out on my ex & daughter at christmas as you are not aware of the circumstances.”

I only quoted you, nothing more :

“Me and her mother have split up when she was 4 months old, I left the house that we both owned”

“I left the house” does not equal “walked out”, surely you know the connotations that “walked out” has? Another bit of supposition (and it’s weird because you know nothing of the situation, but still think you’re 100% right)

ernie_lynch – Member
Why don’t you stick with the issues raised by the OP Lifer ? …..instead of trying to start an argument between me and you.
Looks like you have no problems starting arguments.

Thank you!!!!

I left the house because it was the best thing for my daughter and my daughters siblings.

I did not walk out on my daughter!

Jesus all I wanted is a bit of advice, I didn’t want this post to turn into a argument with certain people. Thank you to everyone that says my ex can get a birth certificate – I know this any way.

My ex is not a bad mother, she is just bitter. My ex told me Freya was going to get christened but never thought she would go through with it without consulting me. To find out she was christened yesterday was a shock to me.

To every body who has contributed positively – Thank you

ernie_lynch

please do not assume I walked out on my ex & daughter at christmas as you are not aware of the circumstances. With regards the passport I AM NOT SOME DELUDED BITTER EX – I was merely asking people what they thought as I think morally it is not quite right and all I want is reasonable access for my daughter without any grief/texts every time I drop her back off with her mother.

Yes I am paying half the mortgage and rent on a house so I have a home for my daughter.

globalti – Member
Er… she’s got other kids by different fathers?

So what does she get from these other fathers towards the upkeep of herself and her kids?

about £700 a month in maintenance!

ouch, sorry to hear about your situation! not going to pretend to be knowledgeable enough about this to give any advice but mrsconsequence is good with this kinda thing, will forward her a link and if she’s got time today she’ll hopefully check it out and post.

Very kind, Thanks

Stoner – Yes the christening is a farce! My ex just wanted a day out to take some pics of my daughter looking pretty and getting pissed. Nothing to do with god then!

Mediation is not an option I have tried that but she has dismissed it!

I agree that the passport thing may make things worse so I’m being very careful at the minute. She does not know that I have her birth certificate at the minute but she will do soon when she tries to look for it to apply for her passport.

All I want is to have reasonable access to my daughter. My ex has already told me i can’t have her overnight until she is a year old – then she will probably move the goalposts again so I am always being controlled.

I know I can go to court, but that costs money and I can’t afford it as I’m paying rent and half a mortgage!

Quite honestly I think my ex is worried I’m going to have a good relationship with my daughter – unlike my ex’s other kids & respective fathers who she lags off in front of her other kids!

Thanks to STW massive for the responses

I know that – if I apply for her passport and I have it in my legal possession can she apply for a duplicate?

can a moderator close this thread please?

661 Raji, bought 2 pairs of 2010 cheap off crc, so I alternate them. they get washed after every ride still going strong after a year

Opinions don’t really count when you don’t even know the difference between the geometry of two bikes

The biggest difference is the HA on the 5 is slacker, the other differences are negligible. Im not purporting to dismiss the 5 – it is overpriced and does not need to be!

And yes I have ridden a 5 and I enjoyed it, but I enjoyed the Heckler more.

I think supporting a decent product and keeping a British business in business is a good thing surely?

Yes I agree, but they could just have the outsource the frames in the far east, then finish paint/decals in Halifax – surely from a business aspect they must of looked at this?

The upshot of this that the customer benefits…. £1429 for a single pivot frame is too much!

And for the record the 5 is a great bike, Im not disputing that.

if the Orange had the 5’s made in the far east…. would they be as good???? YES of course they would but cheaper!

my opinion mate, ‘im buying an overpriced damn ugly bike that was built in a shed’ cos its british!

lol

i have owned a Heckler, now have a Butcher – essentially they are both single pivots but the Butcher is a linkage driven single pivot and the difference is very noticeable.

Orange 5’s are great bikes in terms of performance, it is just down to personal preference I guess and I just prefer the Heckler over the 5, And this ‘buy british’ lark is just hype – sorry but the majority of stuff we buy in this country is not british-made, it a shame but just a reality and a sign of the manufactiuring demise in this country.

WTF

Orange 5 frame £1429

Santa Cruz (with RP23) £1023

these bikes are essentially the identical, but that 5 frame is soo expensive

my money would be on the proven Heckler, then you can spend a bit more on fork, wheels etc.

yes i know the Heckler has a slightly steeper HA, but the Heckler is a proven single pivot (as is the 5) but £400 cheaper.

I live in North Hykeham, Lincoln and echo what everyone says above!

Not much round here, there is the Pines and couple of rides in the Wolds.

I usually drive over to Sheffied to the Dark Peak – if anyone here from Lincoln fancy’s a trip to the Dark Peak and want’s to save on fuel then let me know!

I’m 42, of reasonable fitness and ride a Santa Cruz Butcher. Also have a Whyte 901 for local stuff!

Sorry, If you spin gently uphill then it is pretty much the same as a Heckler, but it is slightly slacker so need to get a bit more weight forward. The bike feels lovely and supple and definitely an improvement over the Heckler!

I dont know the weight sorry, it must be around the 30lb mark. I tried to get it as light as possible but I ride the Dark Peak so it needs to be pretty burly. mostly X9, Elixir CR, Thomson, PRO2’s, Stans Flow, Tubeless.

Climbing is fine, descending is another matter, the APP really makes a difference…man I LOVE THIS BIKE

My Solo Air Sektors are white!

Just built up a Butcher with a pair of Sektor RL 150mm Solo Air Forks (Leisure Lakes £386).

I used to have a Heckler with Coil Pikes, the Sektor feels very similar, but as the Butcher has the APP the wholes bike is a lot nicer to ride than the Heckler (sorry the Heckler is still a great bike).

I think TF will be doing a PUSHD kit for the Sektors soon so that High/Low Speed compression will be sorted!

Maybe you could get a set of 2nd hand Lyriks pretty cheap.

Using Stans Flow, rim tape, valves & sealant with Single Ply High Rollers….no problems here!

Super Tacky High Roller Single Ply on FR and 60a High Roller Single Ply on REAR. All tubeless on Stans Flows…its all Im gonna ever need in the Peaks considering how dry it its!

Why don’t you try them both mate then you decide!