the north face is a real waste of a good chance to put manmade trails in grizedale. whinlatter everytime.

its a good album, well worth buying. he aint the best singer live, but with songs as good as his, he can get away with it, just! seeing him again in manchester in december.

it could take a while to get some pics stonemonkey, think its a 17", but as soon as i get some photos ill send them on.

it has got some bits bolted to it, but just stuff i've bodged together over the years so probably worth nowt.

thanks for all the advice, islabikes rothan was ordered up today. cant wait to see him ride/crash it.

thanks for all the advice, islabikes rothan was ordered up today. cant wait to see him ride/crash it.

cheers lister, thats just sold it for me! shouldn't laugh, but i did, sorry!!! cant wait to watch my little one crash like dad!

i like the idea of the good resale value, but with a third kid on the the way, it wiil no doubt get passed down.
our eldest also has a 12" specialized and is having a few balance problems, which got me thinking about the rothan in the first place. thanks for the advice, ill get one ordered i think.

thanks for the help people, ill get looking, just hope i dont have to sell a bike to fund it!

good advice cheers, four wheels it is.