should be Whyte 605 2018 £750  not 606

Found out the honda official ones are 127.5com

That would suggest that Halfords guide is right at the 969 (127cm) and Thule and every other site state 961 (118cm) is incorrect.

but as my last post  I would without a doubt smack my head on these when putting my kid in and  out the back door to his seat if these were 127cm

I am thinking of getting a roofbox, but this will only be used 2-3 times a year if that, so the bike racks will be on there long term, I’ll just keep a hold of the cuts of rubber to put back in when roofbox is clamped on

I was thinking that the clamps would not reach around, will stick with the fixings, they arrived today in the post so can finally get it on.

Got the 961 and fitted, they look fine and appear to fit well.

Looking around at the official Honda ones these appear to be 130cm long, compared to the 961 118cm.  The 969 were 127cm

I all honesty I have no idea how the honda ones are 130cm, I would without a doubt smack my head on these when putting my kid in and  out the back door to his seat.

Does anyone have a Honda Civic Tourer to compare?

Great thanks I will go with Thule guide and the rest over Halfords

yeah thats the one a civic tourer, I have the holes on the flush rails so all good for that, just could find the measurement info,

I think it will be  @oldtennisshoes. way.

You may be able to help tho if you deal with Thule, halfords state the required wingbars are 969, THULE state 961 along with other sites.

Have you ordered any for a civic tourer before?

Hey

The fitting kit is 4044

Thanks

I had a look but cant find anything so I presume just put them up and the adjust to suit.

I would have thought on the THULE website would have a chart where you could enter your car, footpack, bar type and then it would tell you where the set the smart slide too.

The video appears to show something but no idea where to find this info

Senor- j which Polaris one were they? Mini TORRENT or Attack?

I might just go look at some better all round winter/ski gloves for him

Isla arrived today and it looks a cracking bike, gears look great too.

Went for the tyre upgrade as recommended to the Contentials and great choice.

Sure he’ll love it come xmas

Not heard of those but had a look, he uses something similar to these just a normal winter glove, he is moving to a bike with gears after Xmas so thinking of a more cycling destined glove

Yeah can get Polaris MINI TORRENT on amazon, however a review had said these were not really any good in temps 3-8 degrees only colder weather, but can get these same price as the Polaris Mini Attack.

Any other recommendations on this, I was looking at Polaris MINI TORRENT and Polaris Mini Attack for my boy that’s 5.

To be honest can’t remember just they had a selection of bikes with grip shifters

Had a look at some bikes and gears today.

Going to go with the Isla.

Frog was a little too big for him and although he could reach the thumb shifters they were harder than a grip shifter for him

Popped in Halfords to see grip shifters and he moved these with ease.

Starting to think I might be jumping ahead just because it’s xmas, he’s 6 in Sep, 115cm height & 50cm inside leg (remeasured) looking at frog sizing he’s going to be another few months till it’s suitable, Islabike more suitable now but still too bike, I think I may be better testing more bikes in more time and look to get to get one in 2-3 months into the new year

Starting to think I might be jumping ahead just because it’s xmas, he’s 6 in Sep, 115cm height & 50cm inside leg (remeasured) looking at frog sizing he’s going to be another few months till it’s suitable, Islabike more suitable now but still too bike, I think I may be better testing more bikes in more time and look to get to get one in 2-3 months into the new year

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So if Isla is 465mm that compare to the Frogs horizontal distance from seat post to stem 474mm

So what I want to know is what is the Hoy’s horizontal distance from seat post to stem?

What’s the measurement on the top tube of the Bienn 20 Large? Goole search brings back 465mm top tub, which is longer than the below

Frog 55
Length of top tube 449mm (horizontal distance from seat post to stem: 474mm)

Hoy 20
Length of top tube 445mm

RichPenny – I am still going to go look at the Hoy at Evens also this weekend, its just soley the white grips and seat, looks nice but would need to change those grips.

I also seen this question was raised on Evans about replacement white grip but they don’t stock them, should maybe have some early 2018 not not confirmed. So for now you have to go for a 3rd party brand

BigEaredBiker – Great thanks will be really interested to know how the Obrea MX 20 Team compares next to the Frog 55. I really do like the look of the Obrea. Just trouble seeing one locally before xmas, but will make sure I check out the 24 before its time to upgrade to this stage.

BigEaredBiker – when the Obrea MX 20 Team arrives please let me know your initial thoughts compared the the frog 55.

He does ride paths but not tarmac, old railway line paths (no tracks now) these are walking/cycle paths with stones, bumps, mud, etc along by the river and up private bumpy farm roads. Round the local reservoirs cycle paths

The forg 48 as done him fine for all this

My boy in 5 and 3 months, he is 120cm and inside leg of 50/51…so I am considering the 55 form his 48.

Will check it out when I see it, but wouldn’t sell his 48 until he was comfortable on the 55

daddyzord/dai3015 – thanks for the info. He does have a Frog 48 just now and fit has been fine for him, I’ll take him up to the local bike store at the weekend to try him on the Frog 55 and see how it is. I am still considering the Isla Beinn 20 (L) but just the gears that I am debating initially. I know these can be changed to thumb shifters but just extra cost.

mrbigglesworth – I had thought about a new pair of handle grips and seat in black but again just extra cost form the start. I see the Hoy 24″ comes with black grips/seat, I just cant believe someone went yip “white” that’s great for a kids bike and signed off on it.

They all seem to retain good 2nd hand values, I know looking at my frog 48 i would be able to sell for £150 and it cost me £200, RRP now is £250 and have seen ones for £170/180 so £50-£80 loss is still great for a bike for 12/18 months use

I’m going to rule out the hoy and orbea for these reasons

Hoy – simply cosmetic reasons the white seat and handle grips…just simply why on a kids bike. I seen a photo online of one for sale and the white handle gripe were just a lovely off yellow, browny colour. Plus the look like something in had on a bike when I was young and those massive circles at the end are just waiting to come apart.

Obera – not being able to view on without traveling a good distance, but as said before this will be a definite contender for the next stage 24/26”

So I’m back to frog or Isla 🙂

Faz71 – thanks for the offer but not local to Sunderland.

The beinn 20 would definitely be the last Isla I would go for prices are just too much after that for the initial outlay and there is also more bikes on offer on the market for the 25/26” range and more mountain bike styles.

I have a Isla balance bike to sell soon and expect that to have only cost me £60 over 2 boys, absolute bargain when you view it like that.

Back to my original post I’m not doing so well at eliminating bikes from my list I seem to be adding to it 🙂

If anyone is interested, a supplier got back to me on the Orbea MX20 Team

The Weight of the Orbea is 9.2 Kg. But for more of a Mountain Bike than the Frog.

He said both good but would side with the Frog and frog would hold a better resell

Isla 8.1 kg
Frog 8.8 kg
Hoy – 8kg (approx)
Obrea – 9.2 kg

The “Team” selection is meant to be lighter. I have messaged Orbea and some stores that stock them for any weight guides

Will post if i get these!

I am considering adding the Orbea MX20 Team £319 to my list, but struggling to find the weight info on this to compare it against Isla, Hoy, Frog

I will definitely be considering Orbea 24/26 Team for his next upgrade after this 20 bike tho as the look, build and cost is ticket the boxes for me

The orbea website does say they dont state the weight and want you to go see the bike at your local bike dealer.

Cant source a locally dealer tho.

Thanks, thats great info. I remember using a grip shifter on a Specialized Rockhopper years ago and that being an issue in the wet.

You automatically think Islabike is the leader in this market and they would know best, hence why i was questions what is actually better.

DickBarton – Any experience with the Hoy’s?

I do like the look of the Orbea bikes for his next stage, but struggling to actually find out the weight of these on any websites.

joemmo – are the extra tyres you get with the frog not suitable? or did you want bigger than 20″ 1.75

paladin – the price of the creig24 is frighting for the age range, I suppose if the child is using it to its full potential and the cost is justified, fair enough, but I couldn’t justify that price for my son at 7/8 years old.

Had another look at the Isla and can honestly say I think if I opted for the beinn 20 this would be the last Isla I would get.

The next stage for me would be to get him a more mountain type bike and with the Isla Creig 24 costing £799, I would have to look elsewhere at that stage.

Thanks Paladin will take a look

The Hoy has 20″ 1.75 kenda and the Isla 20″ 1.4 all surface tyre tyres

I think you’r right looking at the pic a little more closely.

People who put mountain bike tyres on their Isla’s did you buy these from islabikes or external site/local shop?

The one think cosmetic that puts me off the Hoy is the handlebar grips (white and look uncomfortable) also the seat in white in a kids bike hmmmmm not sure.

Just little things on the looks

Looking online the hoy does look more mountain bike than the rest with the tyres which would suit the cycles he goes on better.

Frog you do get the extra set of tyres not sure how they compare to what’s on the hoy

Isla does look like I may have to invest in another set of tyres as the standard ones on Isla look more like for smoother Paths but might be wrong

Rich_s I had thought of the colour theory but he wants red and they’ll all red LOL

I let him seen them online and he likes the all 🙂

The hoy does seems to get good reviews

Will go check out the hoy and frog locally to get a better idea

Thanks for all the help please keep the comments coming if you own one if these 3

Thanks that’s more helpful just couldn’t figure out why these were so different

I’ve checked all the size guides all these are the bikes in his range just wondered why the hoy was stating a bigger frame

Great post Simon, so can anyone be a Lille more helpful

Thanks