He now has the wheel back. I striped it, straightened it, spoked up, trued up. Then using the Sheldon Brown method I tensioned all the spokes, then trued again, then tensioned again, then trued again until it stopped being knocked out of true slightly.

Then I went round the rim a few times using the same method to make sure. After that I pushed on the rim round the outside a few times, checked alignment then pushed a few more times.

Spoke tension is pretty even again.

I have definitely done everything by the book this time…

OP if the rim is not pulling straight then yes the rim is too bent. Straightening it may work, it may not. Give it a go.

its not quite as bad as the photo, because on that photo with my wheel it was bent lets say half of the wheel, his is 3/4 straight and a section that sits about 1 inch or so out.

I am going to try sort it for him, I did tell him that it may not work though.. Any views on whether the 29er tube could have caused it because of the extra pressure on the section that has the buldge?

His wheel looks something like (photo of my wheel after crash I spoke about earlier)

I have de-tensioned every spoke as the rim was not pulling back straight. I am going to strip the wheel, try straighten the rim as it is really quite bent then start again.

He was running a 29’er tube in it, could this cause excess stress on the rim?

Had a read of the Sheldon Brown article, He says ”Some wheelbuilders do this by flexing the whole wheel” to tension the spokes, I did that did I not? Jumping on the rim seems like a decent amount of flexing of the rim…

did you make any mistakes? Is there anything you’ve overlooked?

I checked it and my dad checked it(he also rides bikes, has ridden them for the best part of his life)

He also thought the wheel was built properly.

I am going to re-true said wheel tonight and if he comes back again with it knocked out I will refund and tell him to take it elsewhere.

Because my parents know what Im like, They know I wouldnt give someone something if I thought it was wrong. I think from now on i’ll just build/true my own wheels because I know theres bugger all wrong with how I build from my own wheels.

Yes there is difference between knowing how to do it and having the skill to do it.

I knew and my parents knew I wouldnt give him the wheel if I didnt beleive it was correct myself, I spent about 3 hours building it, truing it, tensioning it, truing it, tensioning it, truing it. untill it was perfect.

You seem to give the view that I have little experience in building wheels, I dont but I know how to do it so I spent ages on that wheel using my know how so that it was correct and up to sufficient standard. Once you have some skill all they do is make the job faster and more efficient. Anyone could build a wheel up and true it if you gave them a whole day to do so, Thats if they could be bothered to tensions correct. Which I was bothered so I did spend the time on it.

about the stress relieving the spokes, as already said I jumped on the rim numerous times, Also pushed the spokes together numerous times to relieve the stress, the spokes never got loose and the wheel always stayed true. I cant see how a bike shop would have done a better job.

I have not experimented on his wheel in anyway at all. Concidering the wheels I built for myself I built up, trued, took apart, built up, trued about 4 times just to gain experience. I charged him because time aint free, I also took cassette and disc of the wheel put it on one of my spares(which he rode on for a week) and re fitted the cassette and disc etc. In all essence hes had the bloody job for free cos just fitting a cassette and disc at the bike shop would be a tenner.

exactly. I over tested it for that exact reason. If it could withstand my jumping on it then how the hell would you knock it out?

I will fix the problem if it has nothing to do with a stripped nipple etc, If it has a component problem I wont fix it as It would mean using my spares.

Did you bed in the wheel properly?

pressed all spokes while being rebuilt, then put on floor and jumped on the outer rim while suspended by the hub, did both sides. Did not budge a 1mm.

Oh and does he ride much radder than you?

i can well imagine a wheel lasting less time under some of my mate’s cornering ‘habits’ than mine! #

I would say I ride harder than him.

1) agreed

2) Old rims

3) Machine, rim was straight by itself though

4) yes

5) weaker rims than his, much weaker.

Which just adds to my concern on why its all gone to pot. I did everything by the book so to speak.

If you knew you built them well, would you be asking?

I’m just asking whether or not you would carry out the extra work if you didn’t believe it was your problem.

I will see when he returns it back, If I believe its not a problem with how its built then I wont do any more work on it. And if hes not happy he can have the tenner back and he can send it in to a bike shop and pay 20 quid.

From the sound of it you’ve built 3 wheels you did a good job on the first 2 and the third wheel you didnt do such a good job unfortunately.

My own wheels I built were a worse job, spoke tension was uneven but they still stayed true. His build was so much better.

I built my own wheels before, they lasted 6 months without any adjustment before a crash at stainburn caused the front to knock out.

So I KNEW how to build them up correctly from past experience.

Plus all the spokes were tensioned evenly. He rode up and down my street numerous times to test the build, I even rode up and down on it trying to purposefully bend it. No luck.

Which is what I dont understand. How it rides fine one minute when I’m purposefully trying to put it out of true. Then the next minute when he’s JRA it knocks out. Coincidence?

I already charged him beforehand, too young for beers after a ride….

On the video on pink bike someone suggests the bolts in the lowers were lose, Which would explain it..

doubt you could drill the bolt either if its just spinning..
Not quite sure how you could get that off.

Royal or 661 get my vote.

better than Dalby for sure! Did you ride whelpstone crag?

Didn’t work for me. Maybe I need some new tyres, perhaps I’ll start a new thread……

Maybe you need a new Orange Five…..

Mutley

Now I want a Piglet even more!

looks like James might have a problem….

Hes posted it similar all over the place.

OP- Since you found a rotor, how does it ride?

Mine from a while back, must do another soon.

Clancol
Your bike rides upside down, is that the new niche?

ask on XDA Developers. Thats probably your best idea.

I dont purposefully tan, But I tan easily so I dont need to.

Olive Skin though.

I notice a blemish in the polishing near the pedal threads on the non drive side. Please repeat process and re-post 😉

Looks nice:) I would say a light singlespeed would be good around them

Disco brakes are good for pads too. http://www.discobrakes.com/

May be slightly cheaper than superstar.

6 ft 1, 64kg… around 4-5% body fat.

Im 16 though!

Almost exactly the same, only I’m 67kg, 6ft 2 ish and also 16. Not a clue how much of that is body fat, probably very little.

They’re fine, never had to deal with customer services myself mind you. Its pads and discs, what’s the worst that could happen. Yeah there has been issues with a few pads letting go of the braking material, but so have most pad manufacturers.

Will be like so by the end of the week hopefully, Excuse my rubbish photo shopping skills. Also has 90mm stem now.

I like it because its my only bike, and it rides pretty darn good considering the spec.

Quick question, is there anything wrong with my garden? 😉

rebuild, re-place bearings if you want. Or just tighten the cones.

I dont understand why my SS is 32lb. I mean ive just worked it out. If I put carbon forks on it. Lost 400grams on the wheelset and got slightly lighter bars, stem, seatpost. It would loose about 6lb.

Still no where near 22-23lb that you guys get!

Thanks guys. That will put my mind at rest.
I like destroying rims despite being a light rider, So its nice to know others can run these rims and not have issues.

300mm. longer wont tighten up enough normally.

Thanks, they seem pretty decent then. I found some threads over on MTBR about the EQ21’s which said there really light whilst remaining quite stiff.
I’ve bought them already since they seemed a good deal. Should be no Wheel building issues because they are built up by Merlin, I think.

Only thing they dont tell you is the exact model.

Oh no, I would say Shimano XT but I’ve never tried SRAM components.

Not doing any riding at the weekend, but since we have Monday off… We’re of to Stainburn for the day.