They frequently use a spray-on expanding foam (bright blue stuff) for the underside of roofs etc. Obviously it does need enough access for the lance but nails are not a problem.

Uh oh.

Just the slopey bits.

Sticking insulation down those holes may cause the inside face of your roof to get colder, and especially with no air flow could lead to condensation problems,

Insulate inside the room.

It’s possibly/probably not a good idea to stop the airflow inside your roof up from the eaves.

No.

@teamhurtmore

I prefer to think about ways that can create the opportunity to create wealth (however, defined) rather than ways that seek to give everyone the same outcome.

OBVIOUSLY taxing the rich at 50% IS NOT “seeking to give everyone the same outcome”

So if you want those of us who differ in outlook from you to take you seriously, then stop insulting our intelligence.

But to address the arguable part of your point (which I’m going to characterise as “trickle down being preferable to level down”) I still think you’re wrong. There is NO trickle down effect. Money continues to be concentrated more and more in the hands of fewer and fewer people. That is a fact. And the reason it happens is BUILT IN to a debt based economy. When money is lent at interest it is BOUND to happen and the only way that that can be adjusted is by redistribution. Sure there will be individuals who make a lot of money through business, but they are actually a small part of the problem. The main part of the problem is the accumulation of more money simply from having money to begin with.

But then of course you also have to think about what the aims of redistribution should be – how should the taxes be spent, which hasn’t even been addressed here (don’t you think it’s important?). Clearly if the money were being spent on new plasma tellys for workshy benefits scroungers that would be a slightly different issue to it being spent on education (giving youngsters that equality of opportunity that you are keen on). But I’m sure we can all trust the Tories to spend our money wisely eh?

Been away for the weekend (very nice, thanks for asking) so interested to see the way this thread has developed. It seems to have gone a bit OT, but never mind.

Personally I have very little truck with the “all my success is down to shear hard work, anyone could do it” POV. Like some others here I know people who work their asses off for very little financial gain and others who seem to earn ridiculous sums of money for apparently only moderately taxing (no pun intended) work.

HOWEVER… If it were the case that the cream always rises to the top, then surely just paying a bit more tax would hardly be an insurmountable obstacle to those destined for greatness? (Or could it be that most of them know damn well they don’t especially deserve their wealth?)

Just coming back to some of the other comments:

@Poly, the notion that people decide to move from their 40k position to a 50k position purely on financial grounds seems laughable to me. Once people are in that middle/upper management world it seems to me they are far more motivated by power/influence than money anyway and the pay rises just come along as a bonus.

@RJ I can’t beleive you actually think that that Tenth Man[/url] sh1t is really applicable in real life? You’ll be teling us that a plane can’t take off on a moving conveyor next. But just to join in for a moment, how do you think the Tenth Man feels now that he has no friends and has to sit around at home on his own of an evening? And lets face it, he probably only got into that position by exploiting the other nine in the first place. As I said, it is up to the rich to spread their money around a bit – otherwise revolution!

Or to put it another way:

Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.

@Stoatsbrother

Anyway back to the OP – no this is not a BBC campaign. Why do you think an organisation widely believed to be too left wing by the Tories would do that? Or the Guardian who also covered it a lot.

Yes, why indeed, that is my very question. I wouldn’t expect them to do it, but my point is that they are doing it.

Well then, lets see the “facts” that you mentioned then.

mashie

take a look at the facts.

This implies…

See any problem here?

You seem to be forgetting that most rich people put great wadges of cash into their pensions and don’t pay any tax on it untill later life. Or that they transfer wealth into their spouse’s name or they invest it offshore etc etc. All things that lower level tax payers don’t have the chance to do because they need their wages to pay the bills.

Stoner,

You seem to have forgotten to apply the effect of a good tax accountant to your effective income tax curve.

(obviously it only makes a difference to the right hand end)

Thanks binners – good article.

Banana is quite nice on Pavlova. Maybe with some tasted almonds for extra crunch.

How about a starter of Watercress, Beetroot (preferably still warm – cut in chunks) and grilled Halloumi, with a dressing of oil (olive or rape) and White wine vinegar, with added chopped capers. All strong flavours, but work well together and V easy as Salad and dressing can be prepared beforehand and Halloumi and beetroot are pretty much impossible to muck up.

My own creation, but tried successfully at a recent dinner do we had. Just keep the portion sizes down so as to keep the overall effect light.

I happen to think that getting your body moded to generate sexual interest/titilation via the widest possible media exposure, for money, is a particularly depressing and pitiful way to live your life and sends out the worst possible sort of message to kids and society as a whole. The fact that some people like that sort of thing and can’t see the harm in it is of no interest to me whatsoever.

That is a phenomenally large debit in her account, when it comes to overall usefulness to society.

So I’d say that actually almost any business is a better example of being of more utility to society than Jordan plc.

But if you want some examples of MUCH better businesses, then almost any cooperative you can think of would fit the bill. As would any business that promotes genuine health/well-being, or most businesses that are based on artisan skills etc, etc.

Alas, no.

It’s a balance thing.

If we take the basic premise that all businesses set out to make money, which are these businesses that you speak of that contribute something to society?

Did I say that businesses that contribute to society shouldn’t make money?

The implication from your post was that we have to admire her IF ONLY because she makes lots of money.

I don’t think that that by itself is enough.

Titilation and porn makes folk happy.

Some people.

You’ve got to respect her business acumen.

Only if you worship money.

Businesses I have respect for are ones that contribute something to society rather than corrupt it.

I expect lots of people could (do) make lots of cash if they were to disregard morals, but that in itself shouldn’t earn them respect.

Hang on a minute.

It is obviously disappointing/inconvenient that the OP’s missus isn’t getting the op at the time she wanted it.

HOWEVER….

Clearly this is not a life threatening problem.

If it was she’d be in hospital.

And the hospital did offer an EARLIER date to them!!!!!

So if it was something that was causing pain for example, if it were me, I would bloody well get things arranged to take the earlier date, and sod the “project commitments”

What we are talking about here is inconvenience, not negligence.

Get some perspective people.

OP, you are in a horrible situation, but maybe we should all reflect on the fact that we are not in the richest country on the earth, where maybe you’d be having to sell your house for the op if you didn’t have the right insurance, or most of the other countries on the earth where you wouldn’t even have access to basic medicine.

what has how much are you paying got to do with it, they take a shit load out of my wages to pay for this so its bad form to treat people in this way

What way is that?

You haven’t got a clue why the op has been rescheduled?

Maybe they could have carried on with the original date, but they would have had to commit a lot of extra resources to maintain it?

Maybe they have rescheduled it to save YOU money?

I wish this was an uncommon story.

What, people needing operations?

I’m now into a time period where I can’t take leave due to project commitments

Whereas the surgeon is obviously taking a holiday?

Maybe the surgeon needs a major op too?

It’s not necessarily anyone’s “fault” is it?

Serious illness is like that – inconvenient.

Dont buy an iphone 4, iphone 5 is imminent.

Tell your GF to apply Occam’s Razor to the problem.

If you start to think about how many people would have had to have kept quiet about the deception and for how long and how carefully ALL the evidence would have had to have been covered up (for example, where were the astronauts hiding whilst they were missing from the earth for a few days?), and indeed what purpose would have actually been being served if the moonlandings were being faked, then actually putting someone on the moon starts to look like a simpler (and therefore more likely) explanation of what happened.

Might require a whole bottle of Bailey’s though.

P.S. Has you GF got any other whacko theories?

I’ve been to IKEA.

Not sure the depression another trip would bring on is worth the 15p

Think is a sad reflection of our sport that eurobike gets more coverage than athletes performing the sport to the highest degree.

Come on…

… new headset standards are very important.

Of course, we could all vote for him in the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards.

Not sure that Snooker is an olympic sport as yet, but that has had a fair bit fo coverage on the BBC over the years.

They’ve got a long way to go yet though until the likes of this makes the mainstream sports news, when they aren’t even covering Wiggo in the Vuelta.

Shame really as it would also probably make the Beeb seem relevant to all those kids on their DH/Jump bikes if they gave it some coverage, instead of maintaining its middle class aloofness as the top network for rowing coverage.

No why would they?

Because that’s what they say. You know, all of these retailers say the same thing…

… about putting the customer first, building relationships etc.

Obviously they aren’t doing that really, except insofar as it will maximise their profits over whatever term the CEO is interested in.

However, one would have thought that there comes a point at which it is so obvious that they are ripping the customers off that they may risk putting the customer off for good, and that’s not good business.

I would suggest that the pricing of this item crosses that line.

that looks extremely like the brake mounting for the back of the turner flux we just bought for Mrs NBT.

So B&Q are actually cheap!!!!!!!!

LOL (really)

Like

Do you mean is there any point having opening casements as opposed to a fixed light/sash ?

Not really if you don’t want to open the window.

Coincidentally we’re just about to have the kitchen knocked about a bit including a new window.

I asked the builder about simply putting in a plain (non opening) pane of glass, and he sucked his teeth a bit and said it was very much frowned upon by building regs.

Seems daft to me though, given that what is currently there is a wall, so wouldn’t seem to me that a pane of glass would be any worse as a fire escape. Also, this window will be approx 9 inches away from a door to the outside world!

Anyone know the proper rules on this?

I was never bored:

Couldn’t find the Double Deckers.

About 2 years ago I developed an infatuation for Escape from Colditz, then spent weeks watching ebay for a mint set at a reasonable price.

Bought it, played it once, since when it’s been in the cupboard.

Still glad I got it, but forgot that I would need to find some others to play with.

So if anyone fancies a game…

Just to clarify, we never really took the big Silver Cross pram anywhere much, except for the short walk down to the allotment, or backwards and forwards up the garden path to get the kids off to sleep, but it was really big and had a waterproof cover and we really did leave our kids out in the rain asleep in it (if it was raining really hard, we’d push the head end of the pram inside the shed.

If we were going anywhere we had one of those shopping basket style car seats when the kids were really little, then the big pushchair (and of course the baby sling mounted in the Chariot bike trailer).

Ah… it’s all coming back to me now. Just remembered the Wilkinet[/url] too, which was also great for the first few months.

Big old Silver Cross one.

We got given it, our 2 kids napped in it morning and afternoon outside, sun or rain, from a few weeks to about 2 (as I recall), and then we sold it for about £80 on fleabay.

But you’ll need a pushchair too – we bought one of those on ebay for about £10 – again big old Silver Cross (1980’s one I think) that was rear facing (so the kids could see us rather than looking forwards). Knackered by the time we finished with it though, so it had to go to the tip.

And you think it’s fine for Hazel Blears to demand, quote : “good, stiff, exemplary sentences” for those who we are told have a misplaced “sense of entitlement” ?

Just because Blears is a horrible grasping MP who has played the system to feather her own nest, doesn’t mean she is wrong about sentences for rioters.

A – she didn’t do anything criminal.

B – even if you think what she did was morally wrong, it didn’t leave people in fear in the way that the rioting did.

Exemplary sentences may not be the best option for the individual felons, but they are necessary to rebuild the confidence of a large section of the public.

We’ve got a Border, but I probably woudn’t get another on account of stupidity and tendency to wander.

They are very portable, capable of running a long way, easy to look after at home etc. But in temperament they are more like cats, except they won’t come home.

really sorry if i was condescending , i was trying to be light hearted.

Yes, sorry. I was just cross that I had got my facts wrong when I knew that the essence of what I was saying was right i.e. that the court didn’t actually have the option to try him for rioting, even though his crime was directly related to the riot.

OK – I got it slightly wrong – I think it was because he wasn’t with 11 mates then so couldn’t technical be said to be rioting, but that the magistrate wanted to take the rioting into account.

Is that right crankboy?

Maybe a word of explanation instead of a condescending quip next time? (gosh, why is it that the police don’t get the respect they think they are due?)

The explanation was on Victoria Derbyshire programme this morning anyway. Went to find it on iPlayer, but it’s not working yet.

While the magistrate was clearly influenced by the fact that the burglary occurred during the riots if he was to be sentenced as a rioter perhaps he should have been charged with riot so he could of had the opportunity to contest that allegation.

The reason (according to some legal types on 5 Live this morning, if I understood it right) is that there is no specific crime of “rioting” but that burglary is one of the charges that can be made against rioters/looters.

So questions about why he wasn’t charged with “rioting” are moot.