That was a brilliant night, we had around 7 or 8 people and some good games. We'll be doing the same on Monday night if anyone would like to come then aswell.

you have out of date info, you CAN race with discs in UCI races now. The rulebook was changed about 2 months ago …

Yep, it's really good. Was really well acted, well written and loved seeing their quite novel use of props especially on the hillclimb scenes.

go see it, you'll be glad you did.

hats off to you man.

most excellent

tell us if they hold up ok

clearcoat?

any tourer will flex a fair bit fully loaded, and any idea that the frame flexes more due to pedalling is simply nonsense.

Proper tourers are built to be significantly stiffer than other bikes so that they can be it's racks loaded fully without issue. My point was that the roadrat is a do-it-all bike, it has mudguard and rackmounts but if you're going to be carrying large loads regularly then it's not the best choice. Too flexy.

Roadrat, great frame, super versatile, great commuter bike. but definately not designed to take bags as a touring bike.

Horizontal dropouts with a rack and mudguards is an absolute pain in the arse.

+1
And also with disc brakes and a qr. If you use a bolted axle you can't get a spanner fully roundn the bolt as the mudguard gets in the way.

how do you find it rides loaded up with panniers front and rear?

Did 3,500 km tour from beijing through central asia and some of the 'stans on mine. With any weight on the bike that lovely steel 'twang' turns into energy sapping flex. Riding up steep hills you can look down to see the bottom bracket physically swinging from side to side. There are NO pannier mounts on the front fork, meaning you have to use some sort of brake post mounted high rider or clamp on racks, which is frankly a bit of a bodge. I used clamp on racks and had problems with the fact that they didn't have a brace and would rotate leading to broken bolts.

If you're needing to carry heavy panniers more than a few times a year then get something else. If it's only an occasional thing then this frame is lovely.

I'm 6ft (hieght is all in my legs) and riding a medium long with 80mm stem

oh yes, the other thing, despite how few components attached, the creates are HEAVY AS SIN.

That carrera is a quality bike.

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-carrera-subway-zero-single-speed-hybrid-bike-09-18-20 here you go, carrera zero for £150

a fairly well known trick in the bikepolo community. this is not mine but mine is identical. Two brakes from one lever.

Having had experience of all three i say. choose between SPD's or Time Atac's.

Crank brothers feel great but are made from cheese and break in no time – Admittedly i'm hard on equipment but I got only a week out of a set of CB cleats?!?

SPD's feel great with a very positive engagement between the pedal and your foot, Cleats last ages, pedals last until the spring tension goes. Can get about a year or two from a set of pedals.

Time ATAC's i've been using for 6 months so can't say how long the springs last. Easily the nicest feeling pedals i've used. Float DOES feel nice Cleats have so far lasted 6 months

looks like it, yeah.

If i remember correctly, the main problem with the creates was the fact that they weren't built properly -saving money on labour- RATHER than the cheap parts which were fitted themselves.

If you know what you're doing with bikes they're still a bargain. take it to bits and put it together again properly before use with a different BB and possibly headset.

I work as a Cycle courier so do a reasonable amount of cycling and walking, I bought some crank brothers pedals and cleats after hearing about how good the were.

They lasted a week before starting to pull out. I replaced the cleats and got another week out of them.

I'm now using Time Atac's and despite their similar design I am back to getting 6 months out of a set of cleats.

Crank-brothers = unparalleled in producing nicely packaged crap

4-18-28

You can't rotate your wrists as the support blocks you from doing so; If you ride more technically you'll have hindered bunnyhopping, manualling and all the other things which require you to wibble yer arms around and move your upper body over the bike(technical explanation). For fireroad xc and long days in the hills they're great.

What really pisses me off is the C*cks who when confronted with the redlight/green man situation they get OFF their bikesand walk across the junction only to get back on at the other side and continue on their way.

You're just doing the same as everyone else and jumping the light, so why do it in such an utterly ridiculously pedantic way to stay "legal". If you want to jump it just jump it. C*ck

what axle is that on "this image"

Yes, you can; SJS sell an ARAI to disc adapter. Was originally for putting a disc-brake on a drum-brake mount to act as a tandem drag brake. But fits on a standard freewheel thread to mount a disc. You may have to shim the disc to the correct spacing, but will work beautifully.

Do it, and show us your scars!
ever ridden a fix-wheel with a back-brake? I have.
Much more dangerous than riding a fix-wheel without. The wheel is prone to locking up with your legs in odd positions and feels a bit like your riding a bucking bronco.

Anyone seen that Manchester bloke who twiddles up and down the curry mile nae brakes and without foot retention? Pillock! going to get himself killed.

You're talking nonsense steve, there are hunners of them in Edinburgh. Though thankfully most are commuter types rather than the fixie-skidder fashionista set.

The skatepark that has been talked about for nigh on 10 years opened TODAY!
http://www.edinburghskatepark.org.uk/

There is a NEW musselburgh bmx track? I went past the other day and was gutted to see that the old yin had been destroyed. Where is it?

If you want a trip of a lifetime, go do Dushanbe to Bishkek via Osh (that's Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan).

Most utterly beautiful road I've ever ridden. Perfect for an xc bike with a small-load. Millions of places to stay. Gorgeous terrain. Massive mountain passes over unpaved roads. Easy to get visas. Unbelievably friendly people. Culture shock.

trip of a LIFETIME

For £3500? Buy 4 or 5 entry level bikes.

Think Gearie hardcore Hardtail
Rigid SS
Short travel DH/freeride AM whatever the designation is
Roadie
Fixie…

perfec'

On self-service checkouts put beer through as weighted onions for bonus prize special discount.

"greedy thieving scum"? are you not the guy on here who was outed as knowingly selling stolen bikes and/or stealing them?

spanners

Thorn Raven Tour, Rode like sh*t as a roadbike but put mtb bars back on and it was lovely. Sold it.

That looks real tidy. I want your spares bin! want it to look gash? cover it in random bits of electrical tape and never clean it, ever.

oh, it's mebbe a bit of overkill for what you intend to do with it…

Thorn bikes are incredibly well built – but go to bridgewater to try one first.

Mine had the short rake forks fitted and handled like a pig, from what I gather they ride nicely with the larger rake forks attached. (It was a bargain on here and I couldn't resist)

Also, they're wierdly sized, and have a rubbish EBB design. The grubscrew EBB doesn't tolerate people getting finickety about chain tension or you'll put dents in it too close together and strip your bb eccentric. Also, the red ones look MINGING in the flesh and chip easily. (green, blue and black are purty)

Would I buy one again? In a heartbeat … though I would go to Bridgewater and make sure I got the correct size, the correct colour and the correct forks.

BUY a thorn!

^ Agreed.

though it has proper mtb steering so a lot of wheelflop if you run a lot of weight on the front.

last year about 10,000miles; and in this year so far <100.

last year about 10,000miles; and in this year so far <100.

That's horrible. Will keep an eye out.

As a rough rule without seeing you and your bike … If you have most of your mass in your legs then this setup will be alright. If you have most of your mass in your upper body, slide your saddle further back and raise/shorten the reach to your bars.

Mess about with your fit until your comfortable. Noone can tell you if it's comfortable but you…

http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/product/22073/SE_Racing_Draft_SingleSpeed_Bike_2009

Still heavy as ****. but far better than a Unipack/create

and sold by a proper bikeshop who know how to set one up.

have a look on lfgss.com, from the reports of people buying them on there these are a major avoid. They're "Unipack" rebadged if it helps your review search.

Pulgasari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulgasari

we have a winner! thank you

ones not mentioned

Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Kyrgyzstan
Bosnia
Serbia
Slovenia
and China

(all by bike)

Thorn bikes, terrible handling overpriced tat, with unfriendly unhelpful staff selling them who aren't interested when you're having problems with them. Bought a thorn raven to do a 3500mile tour on, and promptly sold it instead using my roadrat

hope brakes … break.

faultless items which I will buy again include shimano hubs, shimano disc brakes sun rims and shimano spds