Carpaccio of beef

maybe even served on a split log, with a wild herb salad

perfect!

No campfire at all? as you could do stone baked flatbreads

or a bag full of corn on the cob with a roll of tin foil

I think that was the main motivation, the Sea Kings are at end of life and buying a new fleet is very expensive, so by outsourcing the service they shift the CAPEX cost for new helicopter fleet to a third party rather than add it to our existing debt pile…..

I would imagine that connected to that would be the likelihood that a third party service provider would be able to buy ‘off the shelf’ hence the AW and sikorsky options presented, whereas keeping it in house would have turned into another MOD procurement project, undoubtedly tied to an existing high cost military platform like Merlin to allow crossover of crew, maintenance and spares but then involve it being refitted for SAR role specific technology and hardware to meet civilian airworthiness regulations, been delivered five years late and cost us an additional eighteen billion!

I find that the answer in this scenario is the sanctity of the disabled toilet.

Normally only selected for getting changed into bike gear due to the extra room in there – in a normal waste evacuation exercise its unacceptable – too big a room to feel safe and secure in the s(h)itting position, but also the presence of a large mirror in the room makes you feel like you’ve got somebody watching you, which can be somewhat off-putting…

however – the extra tall toilet with longer drop provides an 84.2% lower chance of splash back, and the hand rails a good bracing point for when you’re carrying a burden with high risk of Subconjunctival Haemorrhage.

Oh Jesus, it’s going to end up all durian and starfruit in the ghettos

Rocking rollerboys here too – seem very good so far, very smooth.

Seriously – why now?

I mean, all they can do is drag up decades old allegations that were already public knowledge?

Have they really not managed to find him doing anything wrong in office as the Mayor of London? has he really done such a good job that the worst that investigative journalists with the full resources of the BBC at their call can do is drag up a 22 year old phone call?

I’d say thats a pretty good vindication of the bloke to be honest!

Why not defend Boris or say what you think about his behaviour

I thought I did – that they were old allegations that the pubic have already judged on. Wonder why they’re getting dragged up again now? I can’t see that this documentary has anything new or revolutionary versus the C4 dispatches one in 2009

Regards his behaviour – well, aren’t all geniuses flawed in some way? I know I am!

Never bullshitted or made a mistake an error of judgement yourself Junky?

Johnson is still an unrepentant liar. I gave his recent lies concerning cyclists as an example.

Ernie_Lynch is an unrepentant liar. I give his voting for Ken after saying to his face that he wouldn’t as an example. 😉

He was sacked by the Murdoch owned Times newspaper for lying, and also sacked for lying from the Tory front bench by the then Tory Party leader. All of which is quite an achievement for a Tory politician.

All of which are old news, along with the guppy phone call (where its accepted that no address was ever given, and no attack took place, so it amounts to him humouring an old mate who was having a rant on the phone)

they were all done over years ago, and despite all this being established public knowledge, much to your chagrin Ernie, he still took the public vote in the London elections, twice!

I think its also quite interesting to remember his opponent in both those elections was your mate Ken, who as we all know was a paragon of virtue in his personal, financial, and professional life… ahem!

I’d suggest a compromise

Allow it to be kept as a work of art and visitor attraction – but don’t let him live in it!

Favourite ever pop song:

But unfortunately just topped for perfectness by:

At what point do we get into the law of diminishing returns I wonder?

I suppose that the focus on children and intervention is an interesting one – especially having listened to a programme on Radio4 yesterday about Australia apologising for forced adoptions etc… I wonder where you draw the line?

(ps – think its really good that we do sometimes all have these type of deep down and serious polite discussions on here)

Ok, some of that is fair comments, if we reflect on the (sticking with the area had mentioned) big projects like the Metrocentre and the way that affected the area theres no doubt that job opportunities can improve things for many – I think that my concern from what I’ve seen in the past is there’s always going to be a very hard to reach ‘core’ that you can’t reach with money, and they can drag down a whole area.

I think it was probably ever thus – see the history of the Meadowell, it had had a reputation since it was originally built in the thirties as the Ridges. No doubt other regions have their own equivalents.

I think you might have gt me wrong, I don’t think for one second that people ‘choose to live like this’

I think that it would be more accurate to say that a lot of people don’t have a concept of anything different, and that the reasons for this are very complex, and involve issues that would take generations to fix

Ok, so what proportion would you split it?

I’m speaking as a lad who spent a fair bit of his teenage years hanging around the west end of Newcastle at the turn of the 80’s/90’s (I saw some eye opening things then, I can tell you) and having been back there since, I’ve seen huge differences, but largely through moving problem people on – the damage caused by a small section of the community affected a great many others.

In Manchester the government are knocking down alot of council houses…..then rebuilding new ones – similar size etc just a newer building FFS. WHY?!!! Giving the feckless brand new homes sends out what message?

Don’t you see Hora – this is the Keynsian spending that we keep hearing about, we have to spend money to keep the economy going, otherwise there might be a triple dip recession!

No not me personally now but their is still a lot of poverty.

Drac – ok, so I know where you work reasonably, and would you not agree that a great deal of that poverty that you no doubt see on a daily basis is down to, as Maggie put it “the problems of human nature” – drugs, alcohol, poor parenting, abuse, education, lack of ambition and the spiral that these things create… I would put it to as a serious argument you that you could pour all the money in the world into some of those estates, and not make a blind bit of difference. (I’m not advocating abandoning them, but I’m saying that just throwing money at problems doesn’t fix things, there are much, much deeper issues that need dealing with to change things)

With the trail starting at the discovery centre I reckon theres a lot of potential for user conflict- everyone is going to use the loop, I predict, from families with kids on balance bikes and mums on shoppers, through to the fully committed flying along in the big ring using it to access greener pastures.

‘T’was ever thus’, surely – but at least now they’re not spending the first half a mile dodging between dogs on stretchy leads, pushchairs and prams, plus all heading in the same direction (one way loops)

The user conflict in and around the user centre and the first few hundred yards of trails in every direction was ridiculous beforehand.

OK, so, which part of that was not true then RS?

I don’t believe I’ve ever heard that woman speak a word of truth.

…my foremost charity has always been the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, because over a century ago when it was started, it was hoped that the need for it would dwindle to nothing and over a hundred years later the need for it is greater, because we now realise that the great problems in life are not those of housing and food and standard of living. When we have got all of those, when we have got reasonable housing when you compare us with other countries, when you have got a reasonable standard of living and you have got no-one who is hungry or need be hungry, when you have got an education system that teaches everyone—not as good as we would wish—you are left with what? You are left with the problems of human nature, and a child who has not had what we and many of your readers would regard as their birthright—a good home—it is those that we have to get out and help, and you know, it is not only a question of money as everyone will tell you; not your background in society. It is a question of human nature and for those children it is difficult to say: “You are responsible for your behaviour!” because they just have not had a chance and so I think that is one of the biggest problems and I think it is the greatest sin.

Good enough for you?

I thought that the ‘unsent letter’ was very revealing – no surprise that they made her tone it down!

However I don’t think anyone could argue that the Greens receive half the media coverage that UKIP does

you’re having a laugh!

do you remember the coverage prior to the Norwich North by election, when the BBC put forward the Greens as the fourth party, inviting them to a place in the televised hustings, but excluding UKIP

Same in the run up to the London mayoral elections – who was in the hustings? Jenny jones.

we live on a planet of finite resources, and a diminishing individual share of those resources. There’s no such thing as sustainable growth, it’s impossible.

Lack of ambition!

If the rules of that club had been vigorously applied, Cyprus (and quite a few other states) would not have been allowed to join. Had euro membership been restricted to nations with the economic strength to join, it would probably have 6 – 8 members and be a huge success story.

Cyprus’s problems stem from the political decision to let it join the euro – you can’t blame the Bankers for that

Regards the IMF etc – Greece, Cyprus, Spain, and yes, you guessed it, the UK too, are not experiencing ‘austerity’, we are going through a reset to a more realistic level of economic activity commensurate with our actual ability to pay the bills, Only when the masses wake up to the truth that tooth fairy finance is no longer available, and politicians stop trying to sell it as the holy grail, will genuine and sustainable growth and prosperity occur!

Fallen asleep on the job!

her on top, so relaxing… I got such a slap for that! 😆

ok – if you view it in 1:50k, you’ll see there is a ‘green dots’ route from south lodge, past the aviaries and over clumber bridge to trumans lodge – I take it thats the path you’re on, as thats the one the National cycle network lists as the correct route.

well, thats listed on the OS map as an ORPA – but I can’t find a street name to cross reference it against on the list of streets.

if it is an orpa – then legally it would be a road, and open 24/7

Got a grid reference for exactly where you were at the time, or a link?

Sorry, but its hard to deny that this looks like fun!

Junky, To be fair to Farage – thats one area where he’s done something remarkable – mobilised the ‘don’t votes’ to come out and support his party, as well as taking from all three main parties (not just disaffected Tories)

What would labour policies looked like if 1 million of there supporters switches to SWP?

I take it that would just be the blokes?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/09/socialist-workers-party-rape-kangaroo-court

http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/01/what-does-swps-way-dealing-sex-assault-allegations-tell-us-about-left

I can’t see the Labour Womens Network embracing SWP policies anytime soon!

Brought into service? (as in a date)

Slapped any harder, and he’d end up looking like Zelda from Terrahawks Jenny Jones

As I said – I linked to the wrong one, easy when you’ve got a couple of tabs open.

Now, hows about that commie plot to put fluoride in the water?

Nope, moved it about because I linked to the wrong one

the one I meant to link to was here:

http://old.sheffieldgreenparty.org.uk/xarchive/downloads/masts.pdf

Cherry picking your conclusions Ernie?

While we’re all entitled to our ethical opinions, the party continues to make statements that are about as grounded in reality as Narnia,

The Greens energy policy is noble, and I would love to believe that it could happen, but the idea of making a 65% cut in CO2 emissions by 2020 through energy efficiency and renewable energy projects alone seems far-fetched. Unlike the Liberal Democrats, the Greens’ dislike for nuclear energy is ideological,

This is the party whose international parents came out against the evils of electromagnetic radiation
http://www.next-up.org/pdf/The_Green_Party_France_Motion_on_electromagnetic_radiation_07_2009.pdf

Tell you what – hows about their take on the evils of fluoridation of water:

http://greenparty.org.uk/archive-documents/comment/169.html

Completely and utterly batshit crazy!

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I think she, and the rest of the Green party, are just full of sh*t!

Even the Guardian agrees with us on this one Ernie!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/apr/29/green-party-science

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2012/may/30/1

Edit – Ah, you can tell Ernie’s rattled, he’s had to rely on the Dan Hannan attacks again 😆

Come on Ernie – now we’ve dealt with Caroline – would you like us to start on your mate Jenny Jones?

Now now, Bwaarp -lets not be bitchy – after all, the Green party manifesto pledged to:

• Ensure that all medicines meet safety standards, are properly labelled with ingredients and have information on side-effects.

She’s against animal experiments in Medical testing and thinks there are scientifically reliable alternatives.

Don’t be unfair on her Bwaarp – she’s a big fan of science in medicine: Here’s a quote from her blog from a while back:

Here in Brighton we are lucky to be served by an excellent network of complementary and alternative medicine practicioners.
The Green Party would fully integrate their services and expertise into NHS treatment plans, not only improving patient choices but helping to boost this important sector of the local economy.
Complementary and alternative medicine may be written off by drug companies and other sceptics as “mumbo jumbo” medicine, but recent evidence strongly contradicts such claims.
A little reported year-long pilot scheme in Northern Ireland recently found complementary and alternative medicine offers significant health improvements to NHS patients…
…Therapies offered included acupuncture, chiropractic, osteopathy, homeopathy, reflexology and aromatherapy administered by local practitioners.

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Would that be the same Green Party that turned all luddite wanting to smash up Rothamstead, and managed to thoroughly embarrass themselves over their complete misrepresentation and misunderstanding of basic scientific principles?