my mates sisters cousin says delorian are finished too

Bugger, I’d just ordered one of them off Ling’s Cars!

The idea that nationalised industries don’t advance technology is flawed, I think.

True

NK probably won’t attack… the risk is misinterpreting a missile test or other North Korean actions and then starting a full blown war by accident because everyone’s on edge.

This – very possibly starting with a ship being challenged in disputed waters

a scabby ratcatcher can squeal as loud and long as he wants

Yeah, perhaps I should “shut up” and “show some respect” instead? 😉

Well, when you’re not being hypnotised by the shiny lights of Batley 😉

On reflection you’re probably right Barnsleymitch – we never tried to overthrow parliamentary democracy in search of a communist revolution like King Arthur

and you wonder why it ended in tears?

Tell you what though – we warned you that after us, they’d be after you next:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9958118/Pigeon-racers-in-a-flap-as-animal-rights-group-calls-for-ban.html

being one of the “enemy within”, and yes, being “banged over the head by some coppers”. You know what? It’s not that great. I wish you’d stop talking bollocks old cock,

Hey, we’ve all been there – some of us were opposed to the ideologically driven hunting ban, but you know what – the evil oppressive left wing took away our livelihoods and hobbies and smashed our heads with riot batons.

Didn’t see you campaigning for our livelihoods…

Are you seriously saying that Nu Labour were of the left?

Are you seriously saying they were on the right?

They were centre ground politicians, the tories are centre ground politicians – neither are radically right or left, and have not been at any time in the past fifty years, its all manoeuvring round the base of the post war consensus, even Thatcherism never really looked at any time like getting rid of the welfare state, NHS or taxpayer run schooling, its always been a fairly minor rebalancing of emphasis but essentially the same central tenet.

The biggest weakness of the left has been constant and repeated cries of ‘wolf’ and telling us that the sky is falling, when in reality its not – from the time of my childhood I was told that we were all headed for nuclear destruction because of the warmongering of the right, well, guess what, it never happened – its pretty much carried on the same way with everything ever since.

I see in The Incontinent that the cops are expecting trouble so will be stamping down hard on dissenting demonstrations. A fitting send-off, it seesm to me. Maybe they can re-run the Orgreave tactics and show up in ambulances.

Best bit is that in that case, then even after her death we’ll be paying the coppers overtime to bang some Lefties over the head for her 😈

I reckon she’d call that a fitting way to go out in style 8)

So rattrap you agree that parliament should be recalled at public expense to eulogise over her?

Significant expense? we’re paying the MP’s wages as it is, they should be at work regardless, not swanning on their extended holidays.

You also agree that a good chunk of public money should be spent to parade her coffin through the streets?

Additional cost? well, the soldiers are already there, the police are already there – we’re not even spending any money on petrol if its a hand cart.

All at a time when we are being told that austerity cuts are essential as we have no public money?

I know, Labour spent it all, there was a note and everything.

Improved it I thought Mitch.

I mean, don’t get me wrong – theres Cuba as well, China and Vietnam to an extent – all are viable options if you hate capitalism that much Binners.

Why don’t you move to the Socialist Paradise that is North Korea then?

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236

Look for the real picture

The reason all the big breweries are pushing cider, is that the duty is lower than beer, but retails for the same price.

Mark my words Darcy – its an inability to arses like him and make them take responsibility for themselves that runs the biggest risk of losing the Labour party the next election!

No presumption about it Darcy

Poor lads an unemployed security guard with no girlfriend and a 91k phone bill – surely this is the epitome of someone who needs help in modern Tory Britain.

And that the rich would be generous with their money. Which they weren’t. And aren’t. And never will be.

Well, you’re better off than him, maybe you could send him some of your own money to help him pay his vodaphone bill?

Take IDS and giving folk their own rent and monthly payments, I can see why he wants to empower them but the results wont be good as some folk will waste it and end up homeless

I think you raise a good point here, as in many ways its reflective upon one of the central tenets of the Thatcherite movement – that ultimately, wherever possible, people need to take some level of responsibility for themselves.

I’m sorry its a daily mail link, but I think its a fair one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305358/Vodafone-Kevin-Waldrum-runs-91-184-phone-calling-daytime-chat-line-alleviate-loneliness.html

You think because Bill Gates has a ‘personal fortune’ of 67 billion dollars he keeps it sitting in a bank account Junky?

do you really think thats how it works?

Deactivating it is akin to destroying it, its sacrilege.

As others have said, you don’t need to justify good reason for a shotgun, and even if you did, then its value as a family heirloom is a perfectly reasonable one.

Rudebwoy, nope – but suffice to say that my dad was a shop steward in a certain union on one site, my mum worked in the management offices at another site.

I’ve seen both sides of what unions can do to people and families.

There’s a great photo of me standing next to a brazier as a kid somewhere at my parents house, I should get it framed sometime…

so ratttrap– why were the police coming round to ‘protect’ someone ? Sausage Chips And Beans by any chance ?

Nope – the S word wasn’t involved.

point is there appears to be so many armchair socialist on this website, knowing what they do from news reports and university discussion and don’t have a clue about the real world

Its a fair point!

I wonder how many people here remember standing on picket lines with their dads as kids?

I know I do, very well – and I also remember the police coming round to the house because of the death threats too.

Ernie, so you realise why prior to ’71 there had been so few national strikes – rule 43

and you’ll realise that it was Scargill and his trot mates that moved this goalpost as they wanted to take on the government.

and you’ll realise that by 84, they still couldn’t guarantee hitting this lower target, so called an illegal strike, thereby dooming them to failure, and in the process causing immense pain to hundreds of thousands of pawns in his attempt to overthrow democracy and the government in his vain search to become the leader of a communist revolution.

Make no mistake, the NUM are far, far from being heroes in the eyes of many ex-miners, and the name Scargill is muttered with every bit as much hatred as Thatcher in many mining towns.

In 1971 the NUM hadn’t had a national strike since 1926, which btw, wasn’t a great success. In fact by 1971 they had never had a successful national strike in their entire history, so I don’t know where you get your “just the threat was usually enough” claim.

Are you including strikes that were called illegally without a national ballot?

(ps. read up on rule 43)

Hora – an interesting parallel with the history of the Durham coalfields:

http://www.durhamintime.org.uk/Durham_Miner/Formation_NUM.pdf

apparently, it was ok to close down the pit villages as they were “going nowhere fast”. Really? That makes sense to some of you, does it?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Stigma+of+category+D%3B+Mention+of+the+County+Development+Plan+of+the…-a0319503610

Loving the pics of the street parties, i can happily say the attendees all look just as i imagined they would before i even saw the pics, like they all need a good wash…

And the fact that the vast majority of attendees appear to have not even been born when she was PM 😕

Interesting – speaking to a Polish bloke I know earlier, to many of them, she was a bloody hero for the stance she took over Russia.

reading some of the comments coming in from many of the former Eastern Bloc countries on some of the news sites, and it seems that histories true reflection on her place on the world stage is more than secured.

To take thatcher policies to their natural conclusion i wonder if her funeral will be privatised?

Well, at least the gravediggers won’t be out on ‘kin strike!

For what its worth, There was a very good, quite touching reflection on her by Gorbachev in the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/mikhail-gorbachev-margaret-thatcher-death

Wow – Me and Ernie in agreement on something,

Hell really has froz…see – she’s arrived 😉

As an aside, employee benefits are better & the boss isn’t grumpy & unmotivated!

I’ll bet you’re even able to take things like holiday when it suits you rather than him 😀

Good to hear you’re a lot happier, got to be good for the soul.

What three labour election victories

Sorry, I thought everyone agreed that Blair was a Thatcherite…

It was Gordon the socialist (nationalising the banks) who spannered it into the wilderness

Has Morrissey spoken yet?

Why? How many people voted for him?

The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

Now, for proper Thatcher Porn – The way she says it…

The old IMF argument z-11 ?

Apologies for the delay Ernie – been off having my tea.

So, your defence of Denis is that the previous lot created the economic mess, and he was burdened with trying to sort it out…

How Ironic 😉

What year did the mine close in Glyncorrwg?

Ernie – ref the 1970s:

How was it the fault of people who were brought up in Welsh or Northern villages / towns with only one significant source of employment? Sure, these mines couldn’t last but education / training / help with moving etc should have been looked into before shutting down entire communities.

Go and read up on what Clement Atlee’s Labour Government did with Category D villages in the North East and the toll this took in the following decades !

If it was a secret operation, how did it deter them?

Journeyman has been more than well known about for years

It remains as a fact, that the Argentine military outpost remained on Southern Thule throughout the period, unopposed.

I suggest you go away and read the Franks report.

Anyway – back to the point – Thatcher:

Heard the phrase, ‘the British disease’ recently? No? – Mrs Thatcher’s doing.

Heard the phrase, ‘the sick man of Europe’ recently? No? – Mrs Thatcher’s doing.