So do you have any actual ‘evidence’ as to the destructive effect such ‘out of control’ immigration is having on our society?

So a few slip though the net. So what? Do you really think a few thousand people a year represent an ‘out of control’ immigration situation? Bearing in mind that it will be nigh on impossible for such people to work officially, claim any sort of benefits, or indeed benefit from living here all that much at all?

Let’s look at some actual factual statistics, shall we?

Net migration to Britain has shrunk by a further 10,000 people to 153,000 in the 12 months to September 2012 compared with the previous quarter, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Read the full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/uk-net-migration-shrink-further#ixzz2Ug0ae6nX

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/uk-net-migration-shrink-further

And justin case you don’t beleive the ‘loony left’ grauniad, here’s some balance:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329651/Net-migration-Britain-falls-lowest-level-decade-crackdown-bogus-students.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant though.

Immigration (as it stands) is out of control.

Is it? OMG! PANIC!

(Hides under bed, with a collection of rudimentary home-made weapons, waiting for the hordes of swarthy invaders to burst through the door)

Fair enough.

I was a courier for a while many years back. I averaged 40-50 miles a day, and I was always on the go. For this guy to be doing double that, he must be some kind of superman. Even the top guys I knew weren’t doing more than 60-70 miles a day. I’d be interested in seeing some data of his daily activity. Not entirely disputing his claim, but to do that sort of milage is incredible.

I can relate tot he ‘sixth sense’ thing though; I used to do things I’d never dream of now, and took massive risks. It’s not a job for the mentally stable. But death or serious injury is always just waiting, and I just lost my bottle eventually. And the week after I stopped, a guy I knew lost two limbs in an accident. Just not worth it. The people you’re serving don’t give a toss; they just want their parcel delivered on time.

Although the OP would clearly like everyone to and reviles people who don’t!

I think there’s a word for that!

Yes; it’s ‘enlightened’.

“I’d love to see a mosque being built in Mecca”

Erm…

What do you do with those who once would have been… cannon fodder on a battlefield?

The armed forces enjoy high recruitment numbers of people (mainly young white men) who come from poor/deprived areas. As they are employers who offer a lot more than the average supermarket chain etc. Our governments seem keen to always ensure a need for more troops to fight in various wars they appear to be so fond of becoming involved in. Whilst there is a poorly educated lumpenproletariat, there will be a steady supply of willing cannon fodder, easily coerced into doing the bidding of the ruling elite. Indeed, it’s in the elite’s interests to maintain an ignorant underclass who are malleable and easily brainwashed. Highly educated people are often quite reluctant to take up arms, unsurprisingly.

One thing I was certain of, I wasn’t going to have much influence on it however hard I tried.

Anyone can be taught. You obviously weren’t the right teacher for them.

A truly horrible, unpalatable truth people in the UK have to face, is that this nation is now in economic decline. We are heading towards a situation where many of the things we’ve taken for granted, such as free/heavily subsidised higher education, genuinely affordable housing and a relatively high standard of living (even our poorest generally have access to free health care, adequate housing, electricity, clean water etc), will be become increasingly unavailable and accessible to increasing numbers of people.

In short, we’ve been spoiled for a bit to long, sat back and been far too complacent. Believing that we are ‘entitled’ to things most people on earth view as privileges.

It may well come to a time when British workers, like those from many other nations, are forced to seek employment abroad. This will be very difficult for many, as they may have to accept jobs beneath their ‘level’, a bit like how people trained as Doctors in Africa, India etc have to take menial cleaning jobs, become cab drivers etc. here. Thing is, the British aren’t very good at being humble, and I think this will be a major stumbling block for many.

I watched the same race as David Coulthard. Who probably knows a bit more about F1 than you or I.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22678909

One thing they could do to improve F1 is get rid of the Monaco GP. Yes I know history tradition yadda yadda yadda, but to echo Coulthard, it’s very boring. Apart from the crashes I suppose, but there’s hardly any overtaking and it’s the most processional race on the calendar. It only remains because of the ‘glamour’ of Monaco, and to me, it should be about the sport, not a bunch of vulgar rich people. Time to get rid.

Care to name who you think these people might be ?

I’d wager every single person who moans about high fuel prices. As long as those dying were swarthy foreigners who follow a brutal and twisted ideology which is a threat to our freedom, then what’s the problem? As long as the killing is kept out of sight and mind, then it doesn’t matter.

The only rage I have is aimed at those who are responsible for the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry that ultimately got shipped out to the rest of the world.

We’re all responsible. Increased affluence and higher living standards in the UK, with increased demand for consumer goods, led to the demand for higher and higher wages, which push up house prices etc etc. Granted,a lot more could have been done to preserve a lot more of British industry, but people want instant gratification; they aren’t willing to ‘put a bit by’, it’s all now now now. And foreign industries, with far lower labour costs, can supply goods a lot cheaper. Plus we no longer have an ’empire’ from which to exploit cheap resources.

Boom, and inevitably, Bust.

But unfortunately for him, he actually has to make decisions which carry heavy consequences

Not for him they don’t.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lidl+single+malt&aq=f&oq=lidl+single+malt&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62l2.4055j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It’s fairly likely that the UK has sold Syria all sorts of weapons in the past, including chemical weapons. Why stop now? If there’s money to be had in war, then isn’t that good for the UK economy?

LiDLs. Seriously. The current one (£19.99) isn’t bad at all, excellent value for the money, but the previous similarly priced bottle was fantastic. Sold out very quickly apparently.

Yet there is increasing obesity, education will become less accessible to more and more people, and with increasing unemployment and financial hardship, coupled with the enforced reduction in police numbers, crime will most certainly rise.

We are in danger of losing an entire genration. Complacency is not going to address matters much.

No that’s theft and it’s illegal.

As are many of the practices employed by companies involved in mining etc. Certainly according to UK law, and often within the countries the operations are carried out. Bearing in mind that in many countries, the ‘law’ favours the employers over the workers, and workers often have little or no recourse to legal action even if their employers are acting illegally. Is it ok to own products produced under such circumstances?

Point I’m making is that rather than get hysterical over what is relatively low-level crime, we should be looking at the bigger picture of what causes crime, and what creates criminality. Our insatiable desire for consumer products directly drives the exploitation of others, who are conveniently out of sight and mind. Truth is that we are all guilty of consuming products of human exploitation and maltreatment, so it’s a bit hypocritical to treat bicycle thieves as low-lifes; they’re just other layers in the whole exploitation system. The global bicycle industry isn’t some cosy fluffy self-sustaining communal love-in; it’s yet another part of global industry that creates enormous environmental, social and cultural damage. just because that exploitation doesn’t harm you personally, doesn’t mean it’s not harmful.

It’s ok to condemn the bike thief, as long as you condemn yourself equally for being a part of that exploitative cycle. If you didn’t have a bike, the thief wouldn’t be able to steal it.

That’s fine, it’s the way the world works.

So, if I take your bike from you because ‘that’s the way the world works’, that’s ok is it?

Theft is theft. It’s wrong and deserves punishment

What about exploitation of others in order to profit from their endeavours, with little or no thought given to their welfare, well being or safety?

Is the ownership of something that is the result of immoral and unethical activity ok?

What about the exploitation of workers in 3rd world countries to mine/produce many of the raw materials/components that comprise bicycles? Isn’t that ‘wrong’?

The bikes will have been insured against theft. Are the workers insured against injury, abuse, illness or poverty? Do such workers really have much ‘choice’ about what they do, or a proportionate (for their efforts) share of the profits gained through the whole commercial process?

Is ‘wrong’ simply a black and white matter? Or are there shades of grey in between?

Well said Binners.

No difference what so ever it’s theft.

What if the bikes were distributed at very low prices, to those of limited financial means, enabling them to become fitter and healthier, and also to potentially find employment further afield, if they were jobless? Thus reducing the burden on the NHS, and boosting the UK economy? At the same time, reducing the margins for greedy companies making large profits on imported goods (something which has led to the decline of UK industry and manufacturing)? Not to mention helping increase insurance premiums, thus leading to increased tax revenue from insurance companies?

Every cloud.

Russell Brand, who it turns out is a bit of a beacon in a sea of quite spurious modern moral commenatary, offers somethoughtful and intelligent words on the subject

Indeed:

In my view that man is severely mentally ill and has found a convenient conduit for his insanity, in this case the Quran. In the case of another mentally ill and desperate man, Mark Chapman, it was A Catcher In The Rye. This was the nominated text for his rationalisation of the murder of John Lennon. I’ve read that book and I’ve read some of the Quran and nothing in either of them has compelled me to do violence. Perhaps this is because I lack the other necessary ingredients for extreme anti social behaviour; mental illness and isolation; either economic, social or both.

Meanwhile, attacks on Muslim people spike:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/attacks-muslims-spike-woolwich-attack

In spite of the ‘Muslim Community’ denouncing the actions of the Woolwich attackers.

EDL in running battles with police on the night of the attack (no arrests made though, amazingly). FaceTwat awash with vile racist/phobic hate and incitement. Yet the media wheel out Anjem Choudhary.

What about biodegradeable chain cleaner/degreaser?

Oh I see.

‘People are just plain stupid, no wonder they’re voting UKIP’ is the correct thread title.

i’ve never seen that, thanks.

So was ‘Islam’ sprayed on by a religious nutter, or by someone wishing to denigrate the faith?

What do you do with the ‘solvent’ once you’ve finished with it?

I couldn’t give a stuff if an inconsequential puppet is on holiday.

What really disturbs me is the ‘Google could be forced by law to block extremist websites’ sub-headline. In the name of ‘freedom and democracy’.

‘Animal war memorial’?

What saddens me the most, is that we as a society appear to be fundamentally ignoring the real issue behind this, which is the fact that there is growing anger and fear amongst the population. Anger and fear which are manifested in the actions of these two horribly messed up young men, in the minds of followers of the EDL/BNP, and in the minds of people deluded enough to think that UKIP is ‘the way forward’.

Instead of eventrying to understand exactly why people,especially young men from poorer backgrounds, are becoming so angry and hateful, our government merely introduces even more draconian socially restrictive laws (what a wonderful excuse to force through the Snoopers’ Charter), which take away even more of our ‘freedoms’. All in the name of ‘Freedom’.

What worries me, far more than the perceived ‘threat’ of ‘terrorism’, is the steady erosion of liberties that is happening in our society. Whilst I agree that there is a need to impose certain restrictions on total freedom of behaviour, I also recognise the need for opportunity for resistance. Laws rushed through in the name of ‘the war on terror’ are being abused; it’s not just potential ‘terrorists’ who are being surveilled and monitored, it’s potentially all of us, including anyone who might possibly offer any ideological resistance and opposition to the will of the elite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/31/trade-union-blacklisting-bob-crow_n_2050010.html

Spooks face complaint over links to blacklisting, as union demands full investigation

Instead of focussing concern on things that do actually impinge on our everyday rights and freedoms, the media creates a diversion, so that we don’t see what’s really going on. Tv and newspapers parade ranters like Anjem Choudhary, so that we join in the Two Minutes Hate, and don’t see the real potential effects of the increasingly restrictive and oppressive laws that are quietly being pushed though.

I find it incredibly ironic that Trevor Kavanagh condemns Anjem Choudhary as a ‘despicable’ person; Trevor Kavanagh, editor of the Sun. A vile, frothing hate mongering shit sheet, owned and controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch, a foreign national who has far more influence on British Society than any British voter. Democracy, much?

It would be nice if we could reduce the negative impact of the police sometimes.

hit fairly firmly with a stick or belt

– won’t clean the wall but might prevent a repeat

I like that.

Buckle end?

Where are ‘real’ Oakleys made?

Have you got alternative means of cooking and heating?

Yes; I’d just eat out or order a takeaway.

For the sake of balance, the BBC etc should have an interview with someone who’s been left permanently disabled as a result of careless/reckless driving; show people the reality of such moronic behaviour.

Her lawyer, Simon Nicholls said his client had been on the receiving end of “nasty threats”.

Diddums. So ‘nasty threats’ are worse than deliberately knockingsomeone off their bike? Get a grip ffs.

“By understanding why people are perpetrators of this kind of act can we move forward.”

She’s bang on there.

‘dialogue with terrorists?’

And you’re not. Seems like you were trying to be ‘clever’, and it’s backfired on you. And now you’re kvetching about it on another social media site, fishing for support, because you feel a bit put out. Suck it up and move on. Life’s too short.