Pity you didn’t have a racket load strap to hand.

This has snapped completely at the top tube/seat tube junction.

Still going strong until a replacement bike-to-work arrives.

I think this thread’s getting out of hand and I don’t think anyone has actually understood the OPs intentions for it.

Whether the customer was right to expect it, whether someone made a mistake and said it was free etc etc etc is not the point at all. Who really gives one? Life’s too short to quibble over who said what to win some pathetic points scoring BS.

If I’ve understood it correctly, it was merely a punt at trying to spark some amusing examples of unreasonable customer expectations?!

For example:

“It’s like paying for a lap dance and then expecting the stripper to launder your underpants for you!”

That kind of thing?

Gary_M – Member
I always find it amusing when people open a topic on a forum to do the ‘yawn/this is boring/i hate people that post about x’ post. You must have a very dull life if you go to the bother of reading x number of pages of something that’s boring you to death.

You don’t need to read every single post on STW you know.

I didn’t read it all, are you mad?! I read the first few posts and got the gist of it, then skipped to page 4 to find that even a number of days later the two main protagonists are still bickering!

It’s all a bit handbags at dawn and not really worth a four day arguement, hence the yawn!

YAWN!

If it’s any consolation you didn’t miss much.

Hours of slogging up fire roads to then be held up by numpties walking down the good descents. Thoroughly frustrating!!

I know, I know its a mass participation event and not everyone is at the same level, but walking down the middle of the World Cup descent FFS??!!

God, the suspense is killing me…

(Now if it genuinely is sad like your dog died or something, please forgive the flippancy, otherwise got on with it man!!)

rhid – Member
I’m in.

Sorry its my fault that its going to be a wet windy day as only last week I commented that “I have always been lucky with the weather on Dyfi race day…..”

Curse you!!

Hmm, there is something a little ‘Jimmy Saville’ about it :?

Although the truth is not widely known I don’t think, so let’s just keep shtum!

Phew!
So I won’t be killing myself to make the 3pm cut off for the extended route!

Haven’t read all the other posts but suffice to say it is without doubt the best bike I have ever owned (and I’ve had a few).

I went for the carbon 2x version, which I’ve just changed to a 1×10 OneUp arrangement. The jury’s out on both the 2x and 1x setups, there are pros and cons for each.

No reliability issues with the wheels yet despite the repeated doom-mongering on here that they’re rubbish. In fact (touch wood) it has performed faultlessly in some pretty crappy weather conditions since just before Xmas.

For what it’s worth my Strava downhill times (and a few ups too) are being smashed on the new bike and it’s definitely not the rider that has improved. The numbers don’t lie!!

Oh and again for what it’s worth, on the sizing issue, I’m 5’9.5″ and got a Large, which it suits me just fine!

I’m in and when did it get extended to 70km? 8-O

I thought it was 55km??

andylc – Member
Also if you don’t plan to change mid-ride why not buy two front rings on a 1×11 and change them when you feel the need?

Because that doesn’t take seconds to do.

And when I said ‘not ‘mid-ride’ I meant as a matter of routine, as in ‘oh this bit is steep it’ll move the chain’.

More like, ‘crap, it’s a bit hilly round here and I’m struggling, I wish I had a lower set of gears’ type thing.

Having said all that, if I accept the 32T is okay for most situations and it’s a lower gear I want, even a 28T secondary ring would only give me one lower gear, which is hardly worth it. So I may have answered my own question.

I’m spinning out on some off road descents with a 32T-10, a 30T would be even worse.

andylc – Member
Wow – what progress! Moving to an amazing new system where you have to manually lift your chain from 1 ring to another…

I know, I know, it does sound a bit backwards but I wasn’t happy with the 2x I had before either.

1x does simplify things to a degree but there’s something of ‘the Emperor’s new clothes’ about it. It really is no substitute for the range you get with 2x yet that isn’t ideal either.

I just figured being able to setup for a blast around the woods and then, within seconds, switch it to something I can ride Derbyshire on, yet still retain the benefits of 1x made some sense?

There is an argument to say wearing a camelbac could make you quicker. Aren’t they supposed to help with aerodynamics? Like a TT helmet kinda thing?

A 1min 36 decent may be enough when taken in isolation, factor in the wait for the bus to return (or even just the ‘next’ one with multiple buses running), the loading of bikes, the uplift, the unloading of bikes, the general pre-drop in fruiting and your ride-time ratio doesn’t look good.

At approx 1.5 mins riding with say a 10 min (optimistic) turn around means you’ll get about an hours riding in a 8 hour day.

Just to be clear, I’m not trying to knock the concept and I genuinely do hope it comes off and offers some great riding. However, I’m just pointing out that it is unlikely to be the total amazeballs experience it is being billed as.

I’ll be donating as there’s really nothing like the trails in Whistler over here, mostly boring “tech” stuff rather than the big fast flowy jump trails that are so much fun

I’d say Revolution’s Freeride trail is pretty Whistler-esque (in a flowy jumpy kinda way)?

The problem with only 80m of elevation and fast flowy jumpy stuff is it’ll probably take less than a minute to get to the bottom.

With 38 lines I’m assuming there’d have to be a mix otherwise it would become pretty samey over a full day’s riding.

I didn’t think people were?

Nobody had said it was going to be sh1t, they were just speculating what it might be like by trying to draw a comparison to something they can use as a point of reference.

I realise this project is his ‘baby’ and every parent thinks their child is super special and unique, but in reality, they’re not!

I hope it works out and he provides another opportunity for people to ride decent trails, but seriously, get over yourself.

Oh ok,

It’s a hill, somewhere, with trees, with trails in it.

Even more unique!

However, those of you who do insist on comparing everything, please, please do not bring that to GNAR’s car park.

I don’t really understand what you mean by this?

Every trail (not just trail centre) I’ve ever ridden has probably prompted some form of comparison.

Smooth flowy jumpy stuff is a bit like parts of Whistler, if it’s natural steep and rocky it might remind by of parts of Derbyshire, if it’s muddy sloppy singletrack round the woods it’s a bit like Shadey Pines etc etc.

If you’re telling us that GNAR is going to be so mind bogglingly unique and that it is NOTHING like anything else we’ve ever seen then I’m afraid you’re deluded. It’s a hill, with trees, in the Lakes, with man made trails in it.

It will inevitably be compared (good and bad) with other places! It’s all part of riding somewhere new!

If those who are likely to compare it to something else should stay away, you’d better save your cash cos nobody will come to ride it!

I remember BPW billing itself as something unlike anything else in the UK, our first proper ‘bike park’. In reality it’s just a trail centre with DH trails. Don’t get me wrong it is good but it really isn’t ‘that’ different to other uplift places. I was slightly disappointed on my first visit because it didn’t live up to it’s ‘uniqueness’ hyperbole. I suspect GNAR may be the same.

Doh! I thought I’d checked it, obvs not well enough!

Mine was from enduro@smartdata.com ??

Thanks

I’d echo the comments about Whistler and it being a long way for a week. I did just that in 2013 and was unlucky enough to have poor weather for 4 of the 6 riding days. It cost me approx £100 per riding hour for the week!!

I’d been before for 10 days which was enough really, not to ride all the trails, you’d much longer than 10 days for that (outside the park), but I was knackered towards the end and that lead to a couple of crashes (and broken ribs).

Flights are around the £800 mark at the minute, a half board plus guiding package is going to be about £500-£550ish with Bear Back or Drift Riding. Total inc lift pass, lunch, insurance, beer etc £1600-£2000 depending on your thirst. That’s a lot of dink for a week.

Booked on Italy for this year, that’ll come in at less than £950 for everything probably.

I see it when I ride it in the dry and what used to be a great trail has turned into a multiple rut mess. People aren’t advising against riding it in the wet because of concerns about erosion or how it looks, they’re doing so because riding it in the wet screws up the trail. There are loads of excellent routes in the Peaks that aren’t a boggy mess in the wet and can take riders all year round, so why not avoid the few that get destroyed in wet weather? I really don’t understand the attitude of “screw you, I’ll ride Cut Gate when I want” because there are routes nearby that will be more fun in the wet and that won’t get messed up. I guess dicks just have to be dicks.

To be fair I never said “screw you etc”, a little knee jerk perhaps?

Imagine a situation where people only ever rode ‘the line’ on trails like Cut Gate that are only actually properly dry for maybe 3 months of the year (excluding when it’s frozen), ‘the line’ would soon be axle deep and unridable. Consequently people will start a new ‘line’ to carry on riding it. Less capable riders perhaps won’t wait until the first one is axle deep before the start a new one. And so on.

What you are advocating is:
Only ride it 3 months of the year and stick to ‘the line’, don’t ride it when ‘the line’ could ever be made deeper and don’t allow less capable riders to ride it all.

I made exactly that choice.

A friend has the green one and it does look good in the flesh but I didn’t want 1×11 so went for the Comp.

To be fair it still looks pretty smart in grey/red.

Tell that to the fun police and the trail nazis!

(I totally agree btw, just in case it’s not clear)

ton – Member
peaks is like most area’s in the winter, muddy, grinding paste.
i like to ride cutgate in the winter, most of the worst muddy bits have been trail sanitised, in a good way, making it a bit more rideable.
it is a longish climb/push and a steep techy descent. and a cafe/tea stop halfway round the route i do.

Cut Gate? Seriously, have you not read the Gnarly Gnarly thread?

Apparently it’s a bit of a faux pas to ride Cut Gate when it’s wet cos it’s sooo senstive to erosion (on the top of a moor where nobody can see it or really gives a sh1t)

Was it a GoPro by any chance?

I can’t find Parkin Clough on Strava!

Parkin Top is, but that’s a bridleway.

I do know the trail afterall. Much respect if you’ve cleaned all that top to bottom.

The tree route section is defo gnarly gnarly.

That was Bullet Baxter!!! :D

It’s defo a case of quantity over quality.

There’s a rather disturbing diversion about sex noises in the middle somewhere. 8O

Where’s Parkin Clough?

@Hora

Well it can put an end to a willy-off one way or the other.

Although going on about how you smashed a Strava segment is a bit naff to be honest.

And, no the irony is definitely not lost on me :-)

Thanks Jambalaya, I am familiar with them, I just wanted to know if they are generally considered ‘gnarly’

WARNING: MAJOR WILLY WAIVING COMING UP!!

In fact I got a Strava top 8 and top 6 for the top and bottom bits of the Jacobs decent the last time I rode it.

PUTS WILLY AWAY.

;-)

Does that mean Cavedale etc IS gnarly? I wasn’t sure which way you meant it?

Then why not make that the ‘issue’ in a thread of its own?

Rather than bringing it up in a humorous thread that was simply intended to celebrate someone getting his MTB rocks off riding down something ‘gnarly’?

It just looks petty and an attempt to do the bloke down when he should be congratulated for embracing the spirit of just getting out there.

Given your comments on this post Hora, I’d have thought you were used to riding alone cos everyone else is too sh1t to ride with you!

To be fair, back in the day before Camelbaks I did fill up my water bottle in the stream at the bottom of Roych Clough. It had little swimmy things in. I drank it anyway, I was desperate.

Shame on you!!

You were doing so well until the very very end when you deviated from the official line!!! Why would you take the more interesting line with the drop off rather than the one the trail builders had tirelessly toiled over.

At least it wasn’t wet and muddy otherwise I might just explode at your selfishness/ineptitude!!

forexpipz

Whilst I stand by my defense of you against all the postulating and willy waving, I distance myself from the “I’m 34 so **** U” bit.

I’m not clear why you keep mentioning how old you are? Is it because you think 34 is too old to be riding this stuff (in which case you really are on the wrong forum) or you are too young to know any different (in which case you should know 34 really isn’t that young anymore, soz)?

benjii19 – Member
Maybe the right line needs spray painting on??? Maybe bollards to protect the rest….

Are we allowed to walk through mud is that ok?

You would obviously have to consult with the STW Elite to determine which is the acceptable line choice of course.

We can’t have you putting the bollards in any old place, you might crush a blade of grass or ruffle some heather.