Indeed, which is why I think though it worked well for 26″ applications, it wouldn’t translate too well to a bigger wheel sadly. Unless someone managed to redesign the back end a bit… How about a pushrod actuated shock sat somewhere else in the frame maybe? Might look a little complicated (to say the least) but would solve some packaging issues.

In essence, the rearward path should help with packaging larger wheels (wheel moves away from frame, not just up) – the shock placing messes that up. interesting stuff, the bb link kinda allows for an incorrect single pivot point – looks like you could go for a high single pivot pushing a shock in the front triangle. The lower link effectively fixing the design by moving bb back.

it would be quite different!

rearward axle path and required bb movement (reducing chain growth) look fine. Shock position looks iffy, causing long rear end and daft seat angle.

I wonder if the design could keep the first bit but then actuate the shock inside the front triangle like more regular designs?

Having seen the video, if he survives, he’s very lucky – it’s horrific indeed, I wasn’t expecting the speed.

Truly hope he makes it.

Thanks Drac!

My fat bike was worth it no?

If only I was smart enough to embed an image. 🙁

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127926755@N08/

thanks all! genuinely useful feedback.

thanks, I’ll have google…

Yeah, that’s a pretty good modern one – on a red bike. I just struggle with the whole ‘trying to look like a pro’ thing.

Our club kit – clearly influenced by some retro tops.

Why would you want to wear one, unless it’s a simple retro one maybe.

The modern ones are just about logos surely? The pros don’t want to wear them! They’re contractually obliged to.

Still don’t get lefties.

you should read up how good they are – or better, ride one.

Has anyone found the catchup? I just get a green mush. 🙂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/commonwealth-games/28262958

According to the ‘experts’ round here you’re not even allowed milk – I doubt biscuits will be OK.
But yeah, I’d have some.

it’s about 26lbs – for £900 that’s pretty light

have you tried ‘what the font’ app?

everyone seems to think their claims have been proven wrong. they haven’t.

they haven’t been able to back up some of their claims with scientific evidence, very different.

also, there’s no specific evidence to say cushioned shoes are good either – I guess nike, adidas etc are careful to not make specific claims

Marge, don’t keep blaming yourself…
blame yourself once, then move on.

I wonder if that’s a Hitatchi thing – I cheaped out and bought a Hitatchi combi with Li-ion and it’s awful. Avoid.

But I have a small Bosch driver with Li-ion and they even advertise it’s ‘leave in a toolbox for a year and it’ll still be charged… ability’ – great little tool.

My experience with Li-ion batteries is that they’re bullet proof and hold their charge really well – great for occasional or frequent use – bosch in may case.

It’s intuitively nonsense but for the tiny percentage of folk on here who haven’t made their mind up about everything, here’s an actual New Scientist article worth reading… http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1532-bizarre-chemical-discovery-gives-homeopathic-hint.html

there has to be a downside to living in the Peak… it its mine gramer.

Come to Chinley: You’ve never leave.

Train in to Manc.

That f29 that Sefton linked is amazing value! I payed more than that for the carbon3.
Absolutely love the bike.

I’m a total wuss in the air and prefer my 29er on the ground… maybe there’s something in that 26 for jumping over idea?…

kimbers – Member
why is that wheelsize in particular has upset everyone so much?

Because it has a bigger effect than any of those. In fact probably a bigger effect than all of those combined. See your bike? Obsolete. You want to replace it? Ah sorry, it’s worth half what it was yesterday Oh you want a new part for your existing bike? We stopped making it in that size. That new cool fork? We’ll never make it for you. Serves you right for choosing the wheel size absolutely everyone uses eh.

it’s like vhs, except your vhs player cost £4000 and actually worked pretty much identically to the new format which has tapes which are 0.000001% bigger.

If wheel size has more effect, that’s MORE reason to keep more sizes to suit the type of bike (and bike size) being designed.

How about the CF Canyon? They look great value.

Dan, I’d say about half way up.

There’s actually other work in a more remote, lesser known area that’s more devastating for MTB fun – and isn’t used for land access as far as I know.

Pook, I rarely see horse riders in the area so haven’t spoken to any.

Never had any issues chatting to horsey people, fell runners or MTBers in the past – all getting along pretty well, enjoying the same environment. Occasional grumpiness from red socks ramblers when on a bike.

The area needs all these people to feel welcome and keep visiting, NT must know this.

Thanks for your thoughts, pretty bemused by the negative stuff coming from MTBers, perhaps you’d need to see the quality of the work up close first – pretty heart breaking I can assure you!

The natural, solid features, the slabs and steps, these are trashed by a digger first – then the rubble is chucked down – that’s about it. It’s pretty hard to walk on, very hard to run on and boring (too fast) for MTB.

I’m NOT against maintenance. Just needs to be considerate, in keeping with the area etc.

Sign on gate says a company called Woods did the work – meeting is with Derbyshire CC I believe.

Nation Trust said they did the work. Essential repair work after wash out, needed for emergency services/farms. Wouldn’t say what else was planned though!

32″ wheels obv!

Yep, hopefully I initiated some of that yesterday after a genuinely upsetting fellrun. The response has been amazing actually. The link above has been RT’d a lot – a few more can only help.

Singletrack have joined in.

And yes, I’ll be emailing my thoughts prior to that meeting

re preferences – I love my 29er, but not really much to do with it’s wheel size! And it’s super quick to change direction – not really fitting the industry clichés!

I think it rolls over stuff a bit better – technical loose climbs are most noticeable. But it’s the lightest bike I’ve had which will be making a big difference.

jameso – to be clear, I’m not saying scaling wheels up through a range should be the only thing a designer should do.

But as Northwind said, small frames with 29ers look daft. I’d add that an XL frame with 26″ wheels also looks daft! So from an aesthetic point of view also, using a range af wheel size could be a good idea.

I see little logic in scaling wheels to fit rider heights. Wheels affect how the bike feels or helps to bias its use, it’s not an ergonomic consideration unless you’re at the far ends of the height bell-curve. imo that is.

Think of it this way, a 6’6″ rider on an xl bike with 26″ wheels has a centre go gravity much higher than that of a short person. When the front wheel hits a square edge, this CoG has a great affect on whether the wheel will roll over – compounded by the big guy’s weight pushing down.

So the big guy goes over the bars while the shorty rolls over.

So weight and CoG will have way more affect than angle of attack / wheel characteristics.

But again, the industry simplifies things to comments like ’29ers roll over stuff’ etc

So we’re back to every part of a bike fitting the rider. In other words a big rider will get more out of a big wheels characteristics – A small, less powerful rider may be better off saving weight and riding a 26″.

if you watch that video, you’ll see the small innovative companies are saying the same as me – only giant (with their marketing dept making decisions) are selling wheel sizes as bike sizes and killing 2/3 of them off!

Also, the R&D is spent now, the tyre moulds are made, etc. Keeping the choice there is best for consumers

That makes no sense to me at all. Frame size is selected primarily for leg-length and reach. What has wheel size got to do with that?

Because you, like many, are thinking the way the industry wants you to – that wheel size = bike type.

Think about it, if you were designing a a machine that interfaced with a human, EVERY aspect would scale up to fit people of different sizes. Any bike design will testify that it’s easier to get the geometry of a 29er working on a bigger frame – and vice versa.

The bike manufacturers need to realise it’s a COMPONENT SIZE not a BIKE TYPE. All three wheel sizes should stay available a be used throughout the size range of each model.

It just makes sense to put a 26″ wheel on an xs or small frame – 27.5″ on med and large – 29″ on large and XL. Obviously more travel may push wheel size down a bit. Logical!

Giant’s approach is stupid – forcing the demise of 26 and 29 is illogical and offensive to their own customers.

Yeah, I need to find some beans I like and stick to them. I drink coffee like I drink ale, like to sample different ones!

Happy Donkey coffee was good.