Going to largely keep out of this slagging fest, but just a short word about the Salsa pricing.
Regarding the Fargo/Deadwood etc, don’t forget these are a frameSET and come with a nice fully custom carbon fork. The fork alone does have a mental UK RRP of just under £600, which is insane, but even if you took it as being £400 this means the ‘frame’ part of a Fargo frameset is £500, which is inline with any other steel frame.
Whoever said the Spearfish is overpriced now, shirley you are having a laugh? The carbon frame is £1999.
Same for the Horsetheif, Pony Rustler and Redpoint.
These are really nice high quality carbon frames. Most of my experience is with the Pony Rustler, we weighed MY ‘demo’ frame at 5.7lbs, building it up was spot on and it’s one of the fastest bikes I have ever ridden. It it pretty much a Hightower, that frameset carries an RRP of £2750.
Ignoring the fact we have sale price Horsetheif/Pony Rustler frames for £1650…
A fairer frameset comparison for Salsa would be the Marrakesh with it’s steel fork, but no one will mention that because it’s £450.