on Friday Genesis are bringing over a GV60 to the house for me to test.

If it’s one with the camera digital door mirrors, don’t be put off. They are awful. The old fashioned glass mirrors are far superior in every way.
The base model Premium is the pick of the bunch with the best range and best ride quality and is plenty quick enough.  If I was getting another i’d upgrade to the Nappa leather interior and the sunroof.

Cougar and Cougar2.

Always*getting those cheeky scamps mixed up.

*by which I mean in the last two minutes.

Stripy jumpers.

I have no idea if this is normal, but my electric car has ‘flappy paddles’ so I can control the amount of regen braking

E-GMP cars all have this with settings from full coasting with no regen all the way to full one pedal driving.
If you hold down one of the paddles though it has an auto regen mode which constantly adjusts the level on the fly depending on where and how you’re driving.
It’s witchcraft.

Conversely, the VW ID4  I’m temporarily driving at the moment has only two regen settings – Some (D) and some more (B)

No 1-pedal driving at all. Seems a bit antiquated by comparison.

The GV60 is my favourite car I’ve ever had.
Not perfect though. Boot is relatively small, no rear wiper, rear visibility is poor and it had the turning circle of an oil tanker. Styling isn’t to everyone’s taste but very much was to mine
Other than that it was brilliant. I’d have another tomorrow if it was an option.

Chademo is the Betamax of charging standards. Probably technically superior but the battle for supremacy was lost long ago. Get a CCS car.

Is the Lexus UX300e not the one that has the Chademo charging?

I’d avoid that if so.

My recommendation would be whatever Kia/Hyundai e-GMP platform car tickles your fancy. There are a fair few variants about now and the platform is, in my opinion, currently the best available. I’m awaiting delivery of an EV6 after having had a Genesis GV60 which was excellent.

Anyone here owned an EV6?

Not yet…. But I have one on the way.
A change of job has necessitated the departure of my fabulous Genesis GV60 and the EV6 is the closest I can get to it from the new list.
Currently have a temporary VW ID4 which is OK but feels a bit  like a step backwards.

Do you work in the constituency office in Clacton?

I’d rather the cash in my paypacket to privatley invest or put into salary sacrifice pension, and get yourself your own car.

Except you need to then pay tax on that at your highest tax rate and then  out of what’s left still pay for a car that meets the employer’s criteria and also the insurance, maintenance, tyres, road tax and repairs.
It sounds a lot but doesn’t actually leave much. Your £500 becomes £300 net after 40% tax and then £250 after insurance and road tax and then £200 after a full set of tyres  and so on. The £500 a month car is actually a £200 a month car in reality
I’m guessing the OP will be able to ride on his 7 year old car for a year or two at most before he needs to replace it to qualify for the cash allowance.

Yeah…but SHIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNYY

stick or twist?

you are holding a 10, stick

…until it blows a turbo halfway up the A9 , destroying half the engine and you’re stuck in a layby in the snow for 6 hours, freezing your knackers off whilst contemplating the huge bill.
This can happen. Ask me how I know.

Total cost of ownership includes the unforeseen catastrophes too.  I’d rather pass that risk on to my employer.

I use the small  1.5 to 2litre sized pump action garden sprayers.

About 8 quid from Toolstation / B&M / The Range etc

https://www.toolstation.com/hawksmoor-pressure-spraygun/p41642?utm_source=googleshopping%2CRakuten&utm_medium=feed%2Caffiliates&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed%2C4639017397073329466350331&utm_content=Redbrain&ranMID=46390&ranEAID=pfxNKSnglIM&ranSiteID=pfxNKSnglIM-uF17HYMWTM__rx3y_AbrzQ

Is charger rage a thing ?

I’ve never encountered it.
Generally, if the chargers are busy then you can clock any other EVs that are waiting in the vicinity and everyone knows who was waiting before them and waits their turn and it all kinda just flows naturally.
Having said that, I have only ever had to queue for a charger once, for 5 mins at Ionity Gretna.  Ive watched others queuing whilst I have been charging but only ever for a handful of minutes.

They were in the process of building 14 tesla superchargers at Gretna outlet village (rather than the motorway services) when I was last there three weeks ago. Maybe they are operational now?

edit: according to Zapmap they are now operational and are open to non-tesla peeps.

One of them said that one of us was one of them.

The kind of people who would key cars are the type of people who would definitely key a Tesla though.
Tesla drivers get pigeonholed in much the same way as Audi drivers and white van men.

Here’s a shedload of EV audio system reviews .

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSf9U9LikGNXzWx1Ub91xSCuHcN7fG7n4&si=cPes07Lx02hMWjav

I’d imagine that it’s all totally subjective anyway and they all sound pretty good to the average ear

Which EV has the best audio system?

The posh version of my povvy spec Genesis GV60 is supposed to have a top notch audio system with active noise cancellation.
The lack of engine noise and vibration makes even a bog standard setup sound better than it would in an ICE car.

Give me a smooth quiet car with CarPlay and an awesome stereo and maybe I could live without bonkers power.

The point is, you don’t have to live without the bonkers power. You just don’t really feel the need to wield it because you don’t have anything to prove.

I’ve looked through reports going back to the 1980’s and never seen that!

Exaggeration for comic effect innit.  The point being that the advertised figures have always been at odds with the real ones because people don’t drive in the standardised way. It’s not just an EV thing.

 Of course, while I certainly don’t need that performance, knowing that it exists does make it hard to resist.

You’d think so but that’s not been my experience.
The smooth power delivery and the quiet, effortless nature of the whole driving experience makes me drive slower and more calmly than I ever did in any ICE car.
It’s a more relaxed vibe and you don’t want to harsh your buzz with aggression.

I don’t think it helps the sales of EVs that the WLTP range is so far away from what people report in practice though.

Car manufacturers have always represented their car in ultra idealised statistics long before EVs were a thing. It used to be MPG at a constant 56mph on a rolling road with no air resistance.
Now it’s range because people don’t yet have a grasp on what EV efficiency numbers mean to them.
Is 3 m/kwh good or bad? The average punter in the street has no idea.

To be fair, some manufacturers are more honest than others.  My car has a WLTP of 321 miles and if we had a week of 25°c a d I turned the aircon off, that would be achievable.  getting 300 miles ish in the summer and 270-ish in the winter. It’s plenty

Range anxiety is real…but only for people who have never actually driven a long journey in an EV.

Charger availability anxiety on those notoriously busy travel days like Christmas Eve or hot bank holidays is real though but it’s getting better every day.

So for that journey I should look at the “Highway-Cold Weather” range and that’s only 140 miles.

That’s a worst case assuming -10°c , constant heating and a constant 70mph.
Chances of it being that cold for the entire journey are pretty low i’d have thought.
The difference in efficiency by going at 60mph is also much larger than you’d imagine.

Charging stops are also not the hassle everyone assumes them to be. Just have a coffee and a pee and a stretch of your legs. Just like you’d do in an ICE car after driving a couple of hours.

I would make that journey, in that car,  without stressing about it.

Unfortunatly I am away at the weekend

Uk dog-kicking championship regionals are being held this weekend in Bootle and Barking

Smear yourself in Putoline and kick a dog whilst refusing to wear a helmet.

 Are they that bad?

I don’t think they’re bad. It’s just that they aren’t as good as the other options available when they were new.
According to some of my clients who had them as company cars, they’re perfectly adequate just a bit dull and old fashioned.
The issue is one of comparison rather than quality.
This is reflected in the used price though so probably a bargain

Molgrips original statement that you queried:

And I’d just like to underline the fact that my EV costs us a tenth as much per mile as a diesel would do in everyday driving

my Ev: Check

a tenth: check

a diesel :  my diesel, so check

everyday driving :  not offroad, not in 4wd . Check

You could produce a million different combinations to prove or disprove the claim but this is the only I can comment on with authority and I find it proven

It’s a perfectly fair comparison.
It’s the car I had versus the car I now have, a Genesis GV60.   Same size, more or less driven on all the same journeys to service the same lifestyle over long enough periods to make accurate costings.

What’s not fair about it?

I occasionally eat ordinary shortbread just to keep in touch with the peasants.

My car has a 77kwh battery at 7.5p per kwh means a full charge would cost £5.78. That will give me a range if 300-ish miles on that full charge so just under 2p per mile.

My previous diesel Mitsubishi Outlander, an equivalent sized vehicle with substantially less power returned about 35 Mpg. A gallon of diesel currently costs £6.81 on average in Scotland according to Allstar.

Just over 19p per mile. So about 10 times as much.

Pick one where the motor that drives the cutters is at the end you hold rather than the cutting end.
Wielding a weight on the end of a long pole quickly becomes tiresome.

Leave a scathing review on Snip Advisor.

Surely we could do the same with EV chargers.

Every new EV for sale (except for 3 specific models)  in the UK uses the same charging port, CCS which is for DC rapid charging and, as part of it’s design, incorporates a Type 2 Mennekes AC charging port.

The legacy ChaDeMo charging connector is only used on Renault Zoe, Nissan Leaf and,weirdly, one new Lexus. it was also used in older Japanese EV’s or Plug in Hybrids.. It’s the Betamax of charging and only exists to service these specific cars. I’ve never seen a stand-alone ChakaDeMus charger. There’s always a CCS/ Type 2 charger alongside it.

Charging connectors in the UK are as close as it’s possible to get to being universal between models.

It’s like wheel sizes. It doesn’t really matter but you’re obliged to just pick one you like and then be a dick about it forever.

Obviously 26”wheels and DeWalt

Yeah. Spons is still a thing although the most recent copy I have is pre-PS2 so probably not much good. It’s all subscription computermabob services these days and it’s not something I have needed access to for 20 odd years.

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

The real solution to the EV charging infrastructure is widespread destination charging. 350kw DC mega chargers are fine for the motorway network but the real need is for lots and lots  of relatively cheap to install, 7 or 11kw ac charging everywhere that cars are parked for periods of time. If this existed then it would remove the barriers to EV ownership for those who don’t have access to home charging.
I have a home charger but have never used it in 2 years as I charge in the car park at work. Most cars are stationary for a huge chunk of their existence and if slow chargers were much more widespread then charging speeds would become irrelevant unless on a long journey.

Here’s a Yorkshireman to explain it better than I can…

https://youtu.be/4wQyB_0Z3YE

Hitler’s dog, Blondi, loved him right up until he tested his cyanide capsules on it.

Even dogs can be fooled.