Actually the spit could out turn the 109. Larger wing generally means better turning due to lower wing loading.

There’s a lot to turn performance, there are continuous turns that you are talking about, energy retention (ie how much speed are you still carrying after executing a turn at a certain rate/G), instantaneous turn rate and angle of attack.

The ME109 could sustain higher angles of attack and higher instantaneous turn rates, it’s just that a lot of rookie pilots panicked and let off the stick when the leading edge slats opened.

Hans Joachim Marseille exploited those characteristics with his preference for high angle deflection shooting and went on to become the highest scoring western front ace.

Nah, the later gen merlin spitfires were faster (though what altitude you talking about???) and the griffon ones were definitely faster, and the 5 bladed prop on the spitfire I saw last week was larger than the 4 bladed prop on the mustang – at least looked It as they sat there side by side. The griffon was significantly more powerful than the Packard built Merlins in the Mustangs which were not even as powerful as the later gen merlins the Spitfires got before getting the griffon.

Depends – RAF Mustangs C’s with the malcolm hood and 25lb boost were faster on the deck – pretty sure they were faster than even the Tempest on the deck as well.

I was planning it anyway at some point in the future, now I’m being made redundant it’s definitely happening. The amount of money I spend on getting out of the city to enjoy the countryside every month is more than the pay drop I need to take by finding work in the countryside.

I’m not the only one thinking like this out of my city-dwelling friends.

We’re leaving the city as well – wifes company has said they’ll only ever go back to three days a week. It’s cheaper for us to live up north and for her to get the train in and stay in a hotel two nights a week. We’ve had enough of the **** noise, the crazy rent, av gas getting dumped on us and it costing us a fortune to get into the hills. What’s the point of staying in London if the city life is gutted after the lockdown and you spend all day cooped up in your apartment?

But early war fighter tactics were pretty much dive, squirt off some rounds, swoop back up, and start again…Turning fights weren’t encouraged by either side.

Boom n zoom baby.

You want a good continuous climb rate, a good zoom climb rate, a high roll rate and high instantaneous turn rate/angle of attack – with good control authority over 400mph.

Spitfire had the first two and a good continuous turn rate, which is a different thing. If I had to choose an aircraft to fight over Europe I’d have preferred to go to war in a P-47 or over the Pacific a P-38, simply because both were highly survivable aircraft in their respective theatres. Mustang jockeys got shot down a lot on the way home from escorting the bombers, a lot of the USAF would strafe Germany on the way back home and the P-51’s proved to be particularly vulnerable to AA. The P-38 was great in the pacific because you had two engines over the vast ocean, a load of nose mounted guns and a 20mm cannon and you were faster than the vast majority of the Japanese land based and naval fighters.

Hermann Goering shortly after being sentenced to death at Nuremberg (1946, colourised).

It’s de rigeur to call them “the poors” TJ, they don’t use “plebs” round Henley way.

Surprise, surprise – fat lazy westerners used to having it easy in not understanding the risk and gravity of a crisis shocker.

Tory Scum.
Voted Conservative in the North? This is on you.

Well this makes me more likely to buy a Brant bike :)

Japan. Loads of cultural sights, stunning beaches, tropical weather down towards Okinawa and great MTB dotted all around the country including at Mt. Fuji.

That’s a shame, I recently purchased some Fox Defender Kevlar shorts and they put my TLD stuff to shame in terms of fit, finish and durability. I was going to purchase some Fox gloves based on my experience with the shorts!