bikes from manufacturers that find a new solution to the best ever full sus design every year.
ok maybe not every year but yknow what i mean.

ah righto.
my question was based on ignorance of who would do such studies.

my primary school is a prime example.(was then and is now)
it was greenhead coe aided first school greenhead brampton cumbria.

doc.
i have allways wondered if its less likely that any real studies would be done because of the relative lack of money to be made from accupunture,shiatsu etc.
what say you?

bloody hell check that out.nice one doc.

get him an invoice sent out for that jedi. :D

its the mystic fluffyness attitude that frys my head allso coffeking because all that toss stops people seeing what is to alot of people clearly a good thing.most folks that practise shiatsu or accupunture try to distance themselfs from the hippys.

i had it explained to me abit like this doc.
acupunture is grand for symptom relief as you get the pain from the excess so you chuck a pin in and you get relief.champion.
shiatsu or self shiatsu requires that you apply yourself to working out the route that the excess has taken and then manipulating it back to a better state of balance.allso good but way more graft.

i take the point chap.

why do i need evidence though TJ?
surely giving up something that never lets me down because there is no paper to say its proven is stupidity.

its a system that millions of people use every day to moove stagnant energy.
ever heard of tai chi?
ever give it ago?
do you need someone else to tell you its ok before you do? its really not that scarey yknow.
folks like you are all the same,pointing laughing knowing nothing.
best of luck with that mindset.

coffeeking having sorted a nasty illness i thought i might share with folks some of the stuff that seemed to work for me.
this was an ill guy with a very skeptical mindset.
turns out that a few of you are just nasty f*ckers though.*

*not crikey though as he said sorry.

mark you look so well i began to wonder if you might be the most insensitive troll of all time. :D

peter deffo reckon the hub tightens up in the bike.
been spannering in bike shops for years and have learnt how to set them up with just the right amount of play. campag hubs need it more than shimano ones though.

i reckon you should check the dish of your wheels.yknow where the rims are relative to the the axl ends.thats usually the bother.

cool.

go to the framebuilders forum on mtbr ask them they might have a better idea.

another kings of leon here saw them during there last uk tour. they didnt hit a single bum note, played about 23 tunes but i felt like i was watching the telly.instantly forgetable.
maybee a bit harsh to say it was my worst though.

i ended up with the road shoes and pedals after having mtn pedals on both bikes because i found that i was making do with a shoddy position on the road if i used the same shoes for both.

prodigy in nottingham around 07 boring.

its just a diference in language stoner.

TJ interesting comments on the acupuncture.
the reason i went for shiatsu was i felt the redistribution of energy thruoghout the sytem was better than just releasing the excess.
might give it ago.

stoner. there is a few systems chap the indian one differs from the japanese one etc.
i never had anty spiritual stuff to think about.it really was just a case of when this bit fails this bit over here will hurt due to stagnation of energy so just give it a bit of a shove.

cheers crikey no bother man.

i agree that there is loads of hippy tosh under the holistic banner
but for me there is a few diamonds in there.
something i have found a laugh over the last few years is seeing if it holds up with mates's ailments yknow..does this hurt then? yes y bugger it does.

sorry crikey, maybee but it all seems to work so i dont wish to stop any of it.

to be honest stoner me neither but i was well advised to get a meridian chart of my own and work out myself what heappens to them as my symptoms arise.
it was the changes that i noticed after recieving treatment from the practitioner that gave me the motivation to do it.
pre illness my mindset would have been much like yours but when your suffering..

your right doc i did but a bit much spin on that in my first post.

oh yeah i never said a thing to sugest that i had turned my back on medical help.
my brother in law is a gp.
he thought i was of my trolley in the early days.

just dont need the meds anymore

first six months.
stopped it when i changed the diet.and yeah it did get worse for a while then started to recover.
if i get problems now i just clean up the diet a bit reduce the volume of intake and work on the meridians that get tight. those being liver and small intestine.and of course large intestine but most folks could say that.
amazing forum this you state what you have found and your a cock.

nope nothing at all.

no mate chrohns had me by the scruff.

nope your not wrong at all this is why it gets a bad rap.
i was lucky to find a practioner that could show me how to look after things myself but there are loads of rubbish ones out there.

i have no idea what your talking about mate?

its really bloody simple folks.
next time you get ill find the point on your body that correlates with the malfunction and work on it and see what happens.
it costs nothing.

thankfully chap i dont need no peer to make my mind up for me i find the proof for myself as can you if you wish.
so why not try it rather than be blind about it.

spirtual?
how so?
thankfully stoner during my early twentys i had the good fortune to get really really sick in a way that left the mighty medical folks baffled.
because they couldnt understand it they told me i would be like this for the rest of my life and would probably die early.nice.
three years later having learnt to cook macrobioticly so i could feed myself right and having recieved regular shiatsu i had it sorted.
the shiatsu practitioner that i used was awesome and a very busy man.
have to say though hilldodger i really have my doubts about you folks that say you can do all those things because you took a course.
it takes a lifetime of practice to be any good at just one of them.
so its a shame for you stoner that you will spend your life having zero idea about how to fix a problem when it arises.
thats upto you and fair play to you but why be so neg about stuff you no nothing of?
if you did you wouldnt go running to wiki now would you.

@ stoner
shakras meridians and the manipulation of them has been going on for thousands of years.
your post smacks of total ignorance.

but no it was kelly and ritchey and breez all them dudes that came up with it all.

dont bother with the police just lock his neck to the post and ride away.

best of all time? dunno but i like these:
the mighty heed – ok computer
floyd – dark side (anyone else think money should not be on it?)
leftfield – leftism

plenty more i guess but those never let me down.

the only recent break i have seen was a cracked carbon steerer on a reba wc.

no nothing of its history though could have been over tightened.