It’s not me keeping the thread alive Tom.
The contact I had with rich included my phone number and a could you give me a ring please messages
Guess what no call just silence
As I say no thanks to rich or James I got sorted
I messaged him once on all his open accounts and then gave up
He’s not heard from me since

Josh
You are forgetting something
I haven’t posted the emails
You keep on with this painting me out to be mental for trying to find out where these guys are and I’ll post them up for everyone to have a read .
Now go ask him how he feels about that.

Yes I was told today that the 10 day thing is mandatory and has to be applied but that it was an instant refund once the ten days are up
She said that looking at the report and the others that are related to ubyk “don’t worry you definitely will be refunded on the 24th when your ten days are up “
That’s good enough for me .
So that and jungle putting me a frame aside until I’m ready which is muchly appreciated

I’ve managed to get sorted finally thanks to the efforts of PayPal and jungle
Thanks folks
Absolutely no thanks at all to James and rich the masters of the vanishing act

Don’t be mate it’s not your apology to make
Good luck

Your right josh I’m wasting my time trying to get an explanation out of him
I’ll leave it

yep that’s me
I assumed all the polite could you please call me messages I left him must have got lost somewhere
If you see him could you ask him to call me I can’t understand why he feels the need to hide
He is the sales manager after all

no axe to grind with you josh good luck
Hope it all works out

How much Tom ?
It’s an awful lot more than a couple of hundred quid mate

I’ve done a bit of digging to try and find who the bloke that took my money, lied to me in emails and then vanished actually is !
All I get however is a wall of silence
If PayPal refunds me end of story I guess but if they don’t I’ll continue to track him down for an explanation
If this is harassment then I dunno maybe he should speak to the police about it
Emails in profile rich
Oh yeah and you have my number

The fraud will be reported I won’t be posting where he lives though
It’s not hard to find out where they all live if you look

I think the Twitter thing was in response to me pointing out on Strava that he probably shouldn’t finish all his rides at his front door if he want to shaft people for a living.

Peter should maybe tell James to stop telling people that the new owner will sort the orders then !

Well maybe but I don’t think so
I can actually recover my funds from the order
He was reassuring me the order will still be met if I want it

Yeah for sure I was angry phone man to start with but I’m not to worried now
I’m happy to wait
No ones legging it they’re sticking around just give them a day or two

I managed to speak to one of the owners this morning
Stressed out with how his weeks gone but no ones going anywhere by the sounds of it.
I would give them a few days to sort things out

Maybe hold tight folks it looks like things will continue
They are just having a bumpy handover by the looks of it

Fairly appalling really
I received an email yesterday reassuring me that my order was in hand

How can you be 100% sure ?

Because they need at least some idea if anyone is coming or not !

Simple really

This has to be a troll 😳

☹️ That is depressing

Get well soon Saxon

on the helmet debate it’s really very simple

who’s head was in the helmet ?

If he says it saved him I’m not arguing!

Awesome bit of comedy Tj posting again !

i never wear a helmet because I know best and on the odd occasion that I do I’m probably doing it better than anyone else because I know best

then I’ll back it up with some nonsense I’ve made up

amazing

I can yes mike absolutely but the ones who shout the loudest need to do better 👍

No idea mate I wasn’t defending his position on that point at all

I was pointing out that you can’t expect to criticise a bloke with nonsense

not that you did mind you but it’s happened in full effect in the thread

Yep he’s forgotten the fact that the people you should be scared of are the ones in your own home

not going to argue with that

Of course !

It just needs to actually be true

What’s the alternative though ?

Would you rather he wasn’t allowed to speak? If someone is a nob I’d prefer to know I think

We are the left ! Until we don’t agree with you and then we go all batshit mental on you

who’s saying you can’t question it ? I’m not

I just don’t see the reason that you have to be either a dedicated follower or come down on him like a ton of bricks with some bollox that’s been made up

For sure it would and you are right he should but it doesn’t justify the aggressive vilification he receives from the left especially if it’s not accurate

Nope don’t dispute that at all it’s obvious but I’m not sure he’s trying to appeal to the alt right I think he’s trying very hard to keep people talking about him and I agree with Sam Harris in that he really needs to spill the beans on his god stance

All im saying is that in his various lectures and what have you his audience base just seems to be nothing more than a normal audience, men, women and different types of students from all over the world

I watched something he did with Steven fry where they appeared to me to be friends how does that fit?

He winds me up but I think his description of the way the extremist left respond to him in a completely knee jerk way trashing his name and his audience is fairly spot on and it’s been displayed perfectly in this here thread

he may be way off the mark on many things but he’s right about that

if you want to trash someone’s name in public at least try and be accurate otherwise your opinion is worth nothing

Tj I agree to some degree but I’m saying that your evaluation of the man and is audience is a million miles from being accurate and I would expect that to matter to you to be honest

There you go again Tj spouting some bollox that you’ve been fed by the guardian

I’ve never heard him say the stuff you say he’s said and I’ve never seen him give a lecture to an audience that fits that description there’s always women in attendance and the audience seems full of academics that are happy to be there and challenge him on some of his flaky nonsense

Well you may well be right tj and if those quotes are correct in that they are his and in the right context then I’d be more than happily agree with you

however he constantly states that almost everything he’s ever done is on YouTube so it should be top of the list if it’s that outrageous and yet I’ve never heard him say anything as offensive as that and he doesn’t seem to be the sort of bloke that would

he also seems to have freinds and acquaintances that wouldn’t be seen dead with him if he did hold those views as I’ve said though I’m never all that sure what he actually thinks I just find the polarised reaction he creates to be bizarre

Elaborate monsters are definitely in there 😀

See take Tjs point there he’s absolutely convinced that the guy is a lunatic! If you can show me the footage of him saying that stuff I would happily believe you but I just don’t think it exists all that is just people throwing crap at him by taking stuff he’s quoted in lectures and using it against him

I’ve not listen to all that much of his stuff but I’ve listened to a few full lectures had a listen to his joe rogan podcast, expected to be outraged and offended but wasn’t.

He does a whole shpeel on blokes that can’t relate to women only having themselves to blame and that they need to take more responsibility for themselves and all that jazz but he does contradict himself all the time so I can see how people take offence. I just don’t think he’s dangerous or misogynistic or all that right wing really he just spouts a lot of stuff that puts him in lots of different camps and it’s all a bit messy

Not really a fan but can’t see the reason for the frothing he seems to create everywhere he goes