Was in a similar situation as the OP and finally went for a Commy Meta HT frame which should arrive tomorrow. Pretty cheap and quite exciting, at least on paper…

I was talking about the prices obviously.

Correct but that’s without the rotors so that equals out.

Well quite – from a financial perspective it’s daft renting the car for 3 years in the first place when you could enjoy cheaper motoring by just buying one somebody else has rented for 3 years.

Unless you really rent (lease) at the right price and manage to beat depreciation by exploiting the intense yield management.

And in that case lease will also beat PCP obviously.

It can also beat a 2/3 year used car overall cost when all parameters are considered (warranty, repairs, MOT, servicing consumables, opportunity cost, etc etc).

I am quite confident that our current lease (2015) on a Tiguan is proving cheaper than 2/3 year old cars would have been. Not sure the same would apply today though as new prices/lease costs have firmed up.

Fair comments Mike although the reviews on XT are not too shabby either.
The 10t is great for some but is of next to zero value for me, currently running 32t on a 11/36 cassette and while I am occasionally missing an easier climbing gear, I am not missing anything at the other end.

I have been using Shimano 1x for exactly 10 years so I’d disagree they’re half hearted : I didn’t give them a choice by fitting a 30t homebrewed ring on my XTR M960 cranks though ! (I actually rode that very bike last weekend at Whyteways).

I am going to go for XT in the end, I have no reason to shy away from what works well and is compatible / simple. I love the SRAM cassette though !

Ah OK thx!

Mine is Liam Fox

Sorry to hear that.

Mine has been banned from entering my property as he traditionally visits before an election – he voted against EU nationals having their rights guaranteed recently which is fair enough – but if I am not welcome in his country, he is not welcome near my property. I can be as British as the next man when needed.

Also, he calls anyone who happen to disagree with him a “remoaner” on FB.

I have no idea how people of such low critical thinking ability can end up with any power at all, quite scary.

Ok thanks – That GX group works out at £262 after discount once you’ve added the BB. SRAM brakes seem expensive at around £150 with rotors – so it is basically the same price as XT when comparing like for like.
Ummmm… nothing against SRAM and that would add a 10-sprocket rather than 11 (very little benefit off-road) but Shimano has a tendency to work bloody well…
Hold on it’s £40 for XD drive on the Mavics (thanks Mike!)
I could get a Heist XD and the pair would be £216 vs £190 for the XD equipped Mavics as the Easton is a better/wider wheel but typically CRC do not have the matching front wheel in 15mm 100 27.5…
So I can’t go for SRAM as either more expensive than XT or CRC don’t have the right front wheel…arggghhh…

The other benefit of the XT group is that is comes in my preferred front brake / left hand combo out of the box.

Ah thx everyone – didn’t think of SRAM as I though their rear mechs stuck out too much – but why not ? Not sure what an XD drive is as I was going to buy basic Mavic Crossrides, not sure they would be adaptable.

Thank you very much cdoc. Ordered from High On Bikes at £6 each and £5 off by also buying tubes that I needed at the same price as CRC…
So net cost for both adapters £7…

Man maths at its best !

Fair enough – head angle has gone from 69.5 to 66.5 and St angle from 73 to 72.5. Top tube has gone up from 600 to 633 effective. Stem going from 90mm to 70mm. Travel from 100 to 130mm.
Is it serious doctor ?

This is all theory based on online calculator

The difference in weight is not that much – I have a Carbon Haven at 210g and an old aluminium Crank Brothers Cobalt 3 at 265g. Not sure 55g makes much difference, but I suppose it all adds up.
I can’t feel any difference in trail buzz between the two.

Brand-X HT-01

Seems too good to be true at £100 after BC discount : what’s the catch ?

It’s be a perfect match for the Recon Gold 120mm…

Suddenly my budget has gone down as I might as well go for some Crossride 21mm and be at the £1,000 mark while keeping the full XT groupset…

Thanks for the recommendations and input – the 2 frames are indeed related but one has a 504mm for height recommendation (120mm travel, typically) and the other 530mm (140/150mm) hence my hesitation going for the longer travel bike due to my essentially Trailishy XC use…

I have the troy lee kg5400s

Me too – they cost me £27 landed from Tweeks last week and really impressed although no fall yet !!!

Depends how/where you ride. I much prefer x1 for my circumstances but making sweeping statements about one of the other is absurd if we don’t know more.

matthew you’re right it’s not optimum but the other way of mounting it was even worse ! The solution actually works now form a shifting pov, just a marginal in terms of chain tension at both ends.

I have sold the bike to a friend (I think) but I promised I’d put a 40t or 42t cassette. I am actually tempted to wait for the availability of the new 10-speed Deore M6000 11-42 and the assorted rear mech.

I have also ordered a 25mm B screw to see if it helps pre-new cassette…
Yes it’s 10-speed and the Sunrace would remain 10-speed!

Hello again – I have decided to go for a Sunrace 11-40 and to change the rear mech – if I don’t want to use a goatling, which 10-speed rear mech will work :

Shimano SLX M7000 SLX 10-speeed SGS
or
Shimano SLX RD-M670-D SGS Shadow
or
neither ?

Thx

n

24% gross margin is plenty is you can get 100% on fitting that part…or sell shorts at good margin – it’s about the footfall and creating a rapport, add value – if you’re grumpy about CRC like most LBS are then the customer will stick to CRC, and I don’t blame him.

Adapt or die. Take your pick.

Kimbers is right – Sunrace.

My LBS doesn’t support me as they are quite incompetent so I don’t support them. Shops will have to compete on service if they can’t compete on price. My LBS can’t do either.

Seen any flats on TDF?

If not 2x the power then at least 150% the power of flats. Or maybe you think you’re half as quick as a pro roadie?

A TDF rider would probably run them even if it only added 0.1%.

You’ve gone from 200% to 150% so give it a few hours and you should be closer to the truth…;-)

Getting foot off is much easier with flats, and getting back on and pedalling is quicker (night rides I’m on and we’ve stopped, set off and it’s “click, click, click” from everyone and I’m already off). A few times have had to extract an SPD rider from their pedals after a crash

Getting foot off Time Atac or even Candys is super easy, as in instant, but with a little experience (2-3 months?), as you don’t think about it, it’s “built-in”. I am not sure you could measure the difference compared to flat, short of super slow mo. Getting back on if they have (even a small) platform is instant too, even if you occasionally don’t clip in properly.

I have never stayed stuck in SPDs in a crash in 25 years but I am sure there is a first for everything !

nickc = spot on.

Personal preference basically but not a world of difference.

The “close to x2 the power” comment was quite amusing – I’d be surprised if there was more than 10% in it.

Initially I was going to keep it “small” as 24 is probably more than I need for my use indeed but the weight penalty (less than 100g I assume) is pretty insignificant despite being rotating weight at the most crucial point.

I am 92kgs anyway so I guess I’ll probably go 27mm as this might give a stronger rim in case I grow a pair and start jumping more than 3 feet in distance… CRC are out of rear 24mm anyway…

Or could I go 24 front and 27 rear ? Kind of staggered BMW stylee…?

Thx everyone btw, really appreciated

The size of my stomach seems even more variable than Endura’s sizing.
The two put together creates an unlikely combination of comfortable fit…

I think it’s better to talk in terms of contribution to the economy, ie how much tax the non-Brits UK workers pay vs how much benefits they get.

A robust survey a few years ago showed the non-UK workers contributed slightly more per capita – I will try and dig it out although it might now be a bit obsolete.

They’re back down to £24.99 after having gone up to £40… £1 topcashback too.

Got myself a pair at last… I thought I had missed out…

Is the cable/outer new ?

mattsccm – Member
Fashion. A triple provides better gearing. No big gaps or silly chain lines. The front mech is the simplest, most robust moving part on a bike and removes the need for a huge rear sprocket and great dangly mech that costs a bomb.
However what is new sells as MTB ers are very fashion concious and mob focused. Something else will happen in a few years.

^^This very much^^

I’m not immune from the various cycling fads Fat Bike, SS, 29″er, Gravel bike, City bike etc but on or off road my go to bikes have 3x front.

Let me understand this. Because cycling is indeed open to innovation and change and that sometimes this translate into stuff that is not needed nor helps, should I not adopt something that I have really liked for 7 years (x1 ring) and makes a big difference to my riding so that I am not accused of being a fashion victim or a sheep ?

The binary thinking is obvious on that one.

1x is clearly not for everyone but it really isn’t a fad.

For me the front mech is crude and medieval but I have no issues with anyone using one. I expect the same level of tolerance.

Got those for £4.99 last month http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/one-industries-zero-oneid-gloves-aw16/rp-prod139703

They fit me…like a glove.

Not sure if you can find them elsewhere…

I just never got on with full suspension. I want the downhills to last longer while near the limit, however slow that makes me.

maybe not in this thread, but you don’t need to look very far though….

Why on earth would you look for stuff like that ?

How weird can a thread get?

The thing that makes me laugh about all this is that the 1x* users think everyone should be 1x ists and that having a front mech is wrong or backward.

I haven’t seen any 1X* users do any of this in this thread.

I have only seen quite literally the opposite in this very thread. Non-1x* users calling people they don’t know “rich”, “fashion victims”, “trail centre only riders”, etc…

Most bizarre thread.

TCORs
Trail Centre Only Riders

Why ? I have been riding x1 for many years yet I have never been to a trail centre.

This is getting more and more bizarre!

+1 – odd, very odd stuff.

Projection of own insecurities/frustrations/anger. Basic Freudian stuff.

andytherocketeer – Member
Cycling stuff is cheap as chips

I have one groupset (funnily enough the 1×11) that cost more than one of my bikes. And it’s only XT. Not one of the eye watering priced ones where the cassette costs half the price of a bike.
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sirromj – Member
Rich ? Cycling stuff is cheap as chips
Seems you’re answering your own question there.

A SLX 11-speed cassette is £40 after discount and cash back. (£53 for XT)
A Sunrace 10-speed 11-42 cassette is £40 too.

I appreciate that the word “rich” is subjective but we are probably talking at cross-purposes here.

Surely those costs are not exactly crippling, or maybe I have been evolving in a very privileged socio-demographic environment without realising.

“Only XT” : I thought XT was near the top ??

Very odd stuff going on here !!