Does that indicate to you that diesels only won due to that advantage? The fact that the petrol opponents were not in the same day of the week.

The real question is, does this affect whether or not a diesel is a fantastic performance drivers car? Interestingly it also mentions the power band, which contradicts one of your earlier statements.

I assume your TT is a new shape model?

but there is conjuncture that minimum weight regulations were increased at the same time to make the diesel competitive…

Correct, and the same thing goes for BTCC, however you should consider that diesels have had circa 5 years of motorsport development and petrols have had 100. The weight advantage in BTCC and ETCC is very small. Le Mans was fuel related.

Yes – everything competes – I haven't seen a diesel go particularly quickly though. One of the fastest production cars I have seen is a mk1 Escort – beats the Scoobies and Evos at Harewood Hill Climb

Again it comes down to the technology and parts available to them. Your Escort man does not make his own exhausts, inlets, ignition etc, he buys performance parts off the shelf from Aldon or whoever. Petrol performance parts for the club racer or tuner have been available/developed for many years, and there are many specialist companies who make and supply them. Diesel performance is relatively new, and they are very few things available at this time, this will change and they will become more competitive.

That isn't a sports car

Maybe not, but it is a "sporty" car, and I mentioned it to illustrate that currently there is a popular sporty model of car that has two choices of engine and that people are choosing diesel.

It MAY change in the future and if it does become the better choice, people will buy…

Diesel Golf GT easily outsells the petrol for one example.

How many Le Mans have diesels won compared to petrol?

It was only recently legalised, since it was permitted a petrol has not won again.

hill climbing (anything is allowed there – they have every class going)

Good point, only reasoning behind this is that they rarely develop their own engines or technology, they let other people spend the money they take the redundant machinery for their cars. Most LArge hillclimb single-seaters use old IRL, F1, DTM technology. Perhaps if somethings becomes available to them one day then they will, but nothing is old enough to be passed "down the line" yet and they do not have the budget or know-how to develop their own. For saloons I believe there already are diesels competing.

I have never doubted diesel is better in some circumstances – I have said so and repeated this too

I know, I appreciate you are not damning them to hell, but you said that with your experience of high-performance driving they were not as good as petrol, I merely said in my experience diesel is superior. At the end of the day not one can be right or wrong here as it is our own opinions, and if I didn't respect yours I wouldn't have debated the matter with you.

Heckler?

racing cars are petrol, right?

Mostly due to rules, very very few series allow any choice of engine or fuel. If it were permissible to use different fuels then diesel and petrol would not get a look in.

I imagine it will change as time goes on, a diesel single seater series will not be far away imo (think Palmer Audi TDI).

Well diesel is not permitted in any of the series you have mentioned for a start.

Formula 3000, is this the 90s already? GP2 replaced it, and has a spec engine.

A1 – see above.

F2 – assume you mean the new palmer series rather than the original, see above

F1 – whilst they can use there own engine they are limited to naturally aspirated 2.4L V8 petrol engines. They also cannot use turbos.

There are actually only a few series which permit non petrol cars, BTCC and ETCC (in which diesel cars have been sucessful race wineers) as you have mentioned, as well as Le Mans (in which they have also been sucessful race winners).

Why are they not more common? I put it down to fashion and the fact that performance diesel is a fairly new thing (really since Golf GT TDI). Also cost, it can be very costly to develop a diesel over a petrol.

Don't forget it wasn't long ago that diesel was something you put ina van or tractor.

I guess our definition of a drivers car differs.

One of the only upsides is that you can heal and toe a little easier in a petrol due it reving-up quicker, although it is not an issue, just requires a little more care.

But for those of us who know about road positioning, braking zones, apexes, straightening corners, left foot braking would almost all prefer a proper petrol engine that will rev freely up to 7 or 8k+ and give us the flexibility to use the much broader power band and minimise gear changes. They are simply more balanced.

I don't really agree, I haven't bothered owning a petrol road car for around 6 years, and there is no way I would go back. Providing you have 150bhp+ in a diesel they are fantastic drivers cars, and in terms of driving quickly I don't believe a petrol has anything over a diesel.

With regards to gear changes, I disagree, the torque of a diesel allows you to use fewer gears, and top end does not drop off after the power band in the same way a petrol does.

That I was Not that I ever actually DO it (I just had to try out of curiosity this morning)

Are you sure? My understanding is that declaration/engine braking when fuel is not being supplied to the engine is very severe with a modern common rail diesel, to the point of it being very strange to drive. So to stop this the pump/fuel supply still runs very slightly until you brake, where it cuts as engine braking is not longer an annoyance. I thought this was the norm with at least all VW?audi diesel engines.

My Audi does it every time, and it is very very annoying as it takes a while to put the power on again. I have experienced the same with a Golf, A3, Transporter T5, Crafter and Mercedes Sprinter.

Driven a few motorcylce engined racing cars over the years. One of which was horrifyingly fast, talked sub F3 laptimes.

But then most single-seaters are 350-500kgs without driver. It the puma too porky?

IMO the market has either bottomed or is only a few % from bottling. You are not going to make any money form property when it is at its height. Go

Guys/girl. only options are what is listed due to having to go to comet and they only have 4 machines form the three brands listed.

So a maxi is similar to a rally, where you have timed stages etc.

Should I also assume that this is not a "gravity" event?

I read "driver" and got excited :s

Kabbanos are delicious.

Check out Pierogi, which are polish dumplings, very similar to dim sum dumplings. Usually contact potato, cabbage etc. Very nice.

Believe it or not tampering with a listed building is a criminal matter, so do so at your peril (or contact english heritage)

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Stoner – Yeah it was good, we all came away with our fair share of goodies from the other stands, still have absolutely no desire to take part however!

There is some great stiff in the sale, same with new catalog, can't wait to see it.

Have to grab a beer at some point.

oh I see, so there are around 7-8 different qualifiers?

Well it is not a sheep yet, but one day….

I do believe you were on strict instructions not to have more than one, and returned with 5+ under your belt, and yes stickers are the clue you were looking for!

Try a show or event, there were some good deal at fort william WC, 50-60 per pair.

"Qualifier was on the Friday.

First 45 get in the main Mega on Sunday
Next 45 get in the mega Promo on Saturday
Next 45 Get in Affinity 1 (no mass start but a timed run on the main mega course) on Sunday
Everyone else in Affinity 2 (same) on Saturday"

The results show 350+ in the final?

Stoner – next to a certain pub which requires a shot of penicillin with every pint! I do believe we have met, did you get in trouble with your Mrs that night?

Stoner – I think around 50ft above you, if your feet start to get wet the let me know, I should have around 20 minutes!

+1 on that, 200 is nice, has a lot of torque and very rideable, best of both worlds.

….and don't worry, the engine are nothing like a TKM or 100C reed valve :-)

Ignore postings regarding two-strokes being expensive, this is b******s. A modern four stroke s very expensive due to maintenance and even more expensive in the event of a large failure.

I would look for a 125 two-stroke, very reliable, not fast enough to get you into any real trouble and greta value. 250 if you want to go a bit/lot quicker.

Suzuki are poorly made, always have been, Yam are OK but I suggest you go for either a Honda or KTM.

ransos – google "malvern".

If it floods up here, then the rest of the country is **** anyway :p

I actually lived in the centre of worcester during the floods and had no problems whatsoever, yes there were badly effected areas, but use your brain when looking, every one who had their house ruined knew it would happen one day due to stupid location.

Another for South Worcs/North Gloucs. Look for Malvern, Ledbury etc.

failing that Bristol if you want somewhere inspiring to live.

I received one on my van around 18 months ago, I binned it. They sent me a letter (presumably after contacting the DVLA), so I binned that ****er too. never heard anything.

@uplink, sorry I have just wasted some minutes of my time as I read your post to say "it is not legal for any private company to fine anyone"

Do'h

No, you are thinking of a criminal court, this is civil.

The idea of civil small claims court is to claim back one's consequential loss, on this instance they fine company claiming their £150.

The grey area comes in when they cannot prove a loss, and whilst there is a contract in place (which started when you parked there) they have not actually had a loss of £150. Indeed it is clear that the sum is disproportional to the parking violation, it is also very clearly immoral. Whilst they will get something, it will not be the £150.

It is very difficult for a private company to to fine and individual (see bank charges). Business to business is a little different when it comes to late invoices etc.

It there was a sign they it is legal. However:

1) it would almost certainly not stand up in court (in terms of what they would get, you can only claim for a LOSS).

2) They won;t actually take you to court.

I have had loads, binned them all.

stride through like a man

So for timed races you are let go at various intervals rally style?

Thanks for the info.

So the famous mass start is only applicable for the qualifying and the main feature/mega race?

WOuld a HEckler with Fox 36 and coil shock be suitable?

HI Guys, I had a few questions myself.

When should you enter?

How much is entry cost?

I have heard people mention medicals, is this for everyone?

Interesting about qualifying, I didn't know there were different races. Irrespective of speed everyone gets to race? I am assuming that most STW'ers are in Affinity 2 (not because they are slow, but that is the place for the average rider?)

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