You talk in ignorance, and don’t comprehend the word “freedom”.

As for leavers being rich

Not what I said.

That’s the best you can do? Hence the **** we’re in.

At worst you and your kids may have to apply for a visa stop being so melodramatic.

Patronising, and very probably incorrect. I’m not talking about 90 day tourism.

kelvin not all leave voters are ****** but the ****** vote helped win it.

-redacted, not worth it.

So far we’ve had all leave voters are:
Stupid
Racist
Xenophobic
Selfish

No. Quit with the self-victimisation.

What’s been said is along the lines of “racists voted leave and helped it win” (reasonable, given the small margin), or “leave was a stupid vote”.

Sometimes smart people make a mistake and do dumb things. Counts for all of us here I think.

That’s very different to “all leave voters are stupid” or “all leave voters are racist”, which is plainly not true.

(& for that matter how do you know what is the will of the ‘European people’?)

kent, how do you define fail?

After a Civil War

Followed by abolition of slavery, 150 years of peace within the borders and a rise to world dominance.

Jamba you are plainly an intelligent man, which leads me to believe you don’t really believe much of what you write. Perhaps Brexit suits your personal circumstances (you’re less exposed than many it seems so have leeway to indulge it) and you’re just seeing how far the misinformed and mistaken will follow you.

yes kimbers, that’s bizarre too.

Dennis Skinner called this right: “I will vote Leave because the EU will fail”

I find this the oddest statement.

We’re human beings, give it a long enough view (not that long!) and all is temporary, everything fails, and we’re all dead soon enough.

But is it the right direction to be travelling in? (yes!) Is it better than what came before? (yes!)

We should get off the bus because one day the bus will be obsolete?

broadly, yes it does.

Why does Nigel Farage represent the UK in the EU parliament?

He doesn’t.

He is one of 10 MEPs that represent South East England, and one of 73 from the UK. He has no primacy over the others.

MEP elections are done on a proportional representation system.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/your-meps/uk_meps.html

I actually quite like the idea of a single European state in principle.

I’d live with it. After all, what’s Farage’s hallowed “nation state” ever done for the 99%? Apart from, of course, leave our dismembered body parts distributed across battlefields.

Never again, eh?

Time to move on I think.

And all he said about Brexit is “it’s a shame but we’re moving on”.

Mind you he also thinks it’s “the will of the people” so he’s not that clued up.

He ruled out Turkey’s accession to the EU in the foreseeable future ….

Oh.

Juncker said he intended to start trade talks with Australia and New Zealand…

Oh.

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/jean-claude-juncker-plays-down-brexit-in-eu-state-of-union-speech)

> All these conversations are redundant. We had that debate and it was decided on June 23rd 2016

Really this is just a politer version of WWYLGOI.

No democrat would say that.

A democrat would say “we won but what you think matters too, what are your concerns, how can we deal with them and how can we get you on to our side?”.

> All these conversations are redundant. We had that debate and it was decided on June 23rd 2016

Seems a lot of people thought it was about the NHS getting more money. Dominic Cummins agreed.

Seems a lot of people voted leave with little skin in the game. Seems they’re leaving the electorate quite quickly due to “natural causes”.

A lot of people are joining it that way too. They have the best decades of their lives at stake here.

The debate’s not over.

4) wage competition from incomers.

I know 2 leave voters who say that was their primary reason. They both work as on-the-tools trades. They both say it’s real for them not imagined.

937 pages of the finest minds of Singletrack and where are we!

Have you lot figured out a way to stop it yet?

I’m expecting NI to join the Republic, or failing that, border checks to be at the British point of entry.

London today, anyone going? https://peoplesmarch4eu.org

Meet you for a beer after?

And yet they do – guess why?

Because an unstable Britain is bad for the EU.

Brexit is bad for the EU, it’s no secret.

The money? Yes of course the money too.

-deleted, as I find myself falling back into the STW echo chamber. should know better.

have a good night all.

As for gangmasters, expoitation, and so on – if it’s illegal bloody well prosecute it instead of tolerating it! Don’t need to leave the EU for that, just implement the law.

Less labour = labour costs up.

Is the customer willing to pay more?

Unlikely.

So the job gets automated away, or the job moves to the workers who will do it (ie abroad, like the car factories will).

It’s not rocket science.

I recall the bloke whining on the Adrian Chiles doc, 6 kids, social housing, didn’t look capable of much, voted leave because “the Polish come in and reduce the wages so I can’t get a job to cover my costs”.

Maybe you should have kept your **** in your pants mate.

Are you going to turn out to the factory for an extra quid an hour?

Somehow doubt it.

And you had the f****** temerity to vote my FOM rights off me, and off my 6 year old daughter.

(Yes, still angry!)

Lol so perhaps, the 2016 leave vote was in fact a “stuff the tories” vote, and a 2018 remain vote could be too.

Hypothetical question: let’s say there was a referendum on the terms, including a remain option.

Who would be campaigning for remain? Not the government/Tories …

The EU is deeply flawed and everyone knows it.

No that’s your extrapolation.

It has flaws of course it does. Is there a human organisation that doesn’t?

Locked into Farage’s Britain vs EU membership, with our kids’ rights to live work and study in the world’s largest free trade area, and one of the most varied and liberal regions on Earth?

Negotiating trade deals solo or alongside the combined purchasing power 27 other countries.

It’s a no-brainer.

For sure, there’s a spectrum. Anyone with more than a peanut for a brain sees the EU has flaws. & the EU bears some responsibility for what’s happened too.

Most any remain leaner, or the very committed, will say that. Corbyn himself said “70% in” I think.

It does seem to me though the fundamentalists are all on the leave side.

^^ I suspect not a moderate Brexiteer.

Or let me rephrase that, very many people who voted Leave were not “Brexiteers”.

This vote was very close, it wasn’t decided by the hardcore it was decided by the “just having a punt” or “finger to Cameron” vote. And the abstainers.

I don’t know enough about Scotland to have a reasonably informed opinion.

My hunch tho is that vote will change, I expect a united Ireland and independent Scotland in due course. Why would they want to be shackled to the sinking HMS Farage.

I think most – certainly enough to swing the result – weren’t really “Brexiteers” at all, they just got caught in the moment, or swayed by the bogus “independence” headlines, or Johnson’s debate speech, or the NHS thing.

They’re just voters really, who got duped.

I really try and avoid the perjoratives, Brex**iteers (tho I’ve done it a few times in anger), they’re duped voters really.

How can any moderate Brexit voter (and I hope they are the majority) be anything but furious about the government’s implementation of their decision?

EU team doing exactly what they always said they would do.

If Davis wants that to change he needs to produce some leverage.

Where is it DD?

Oh.

Well we fixed that eh? Losers.

What new opportunities are available “elsewhere” to a UK out of the EU that were not available to a UK in the EU?

Yeah good riddance.

I remember a bunch of olds from the S Wales Valleys whining “yeah the EU invested, but in the wrong things – colleges, we want jobs”.

The kids at college “yeah it’s great, now we have a college we have more chance at a good job”.

love the toons more please!