Like … our bananas have the same bend as their bananas but they measure in degrees but we use radians?

Would someone be able to explain the difference and how it would work?

I think the theory is the UK’s rules are not the same as the EU’s but the outcome is, where necessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/dec/05/theresa-may-struggles-to-rescue-brexit-deal-as-dublin-says-it-wont-back-down-politics-live?page=with:block-5a26a3f183311a066ae8add5#block-5a26a3f183311a066ae8add5

Th G also notes yesterday’s doc said this would happen regardless of the outcome of trade talks (but for the whole UK is a condition of …).

Lots of semantic fudge. It’s another cave-in basically.

So May, ostensibly the PM of one of the world’s leading nations with 660 Parliamentarians, agrees a major international agreement with the world’s largest free trade block, and de facto goes public.

The regional special interest party with only 10 MPs yanks her chain and blocks the whole thing.

How can her position possibly be tenable?

Funny, DUP wouldn’t have been in a position to obstruct May if she hadn’t called the General Election she said she wasn’t going to call.

my 2p: there’ll be a deal because EU want one and it will be on the EU’s terms. the postponement is so May can run back to Dacre et al saying “look there I was being a bloody difficult woman like I promised”. it’s a bit of gracious face saving from Juncker is all.

57 billion quid – would go a long way in the NHS.

this lunacy is beyond belief.

@bails wow love the Napoleonic era quote. i doubt even the hardest Brexiters expected to be that successful winding the clock back, they asked for a mere 40 years.

quite ironic – enough people voted for “more money for the NHS” to decide the vote (says Dominic Cummins), but likelihood, if we leave the EMA as well as it leaving us, is drug costs will rise and time to UK market for new product will lengthen.

or we stay in as a member, or we shadow it somehow, but have no control and have lost the economic benefit of being the host while still bearing our share of the cost.

you couldn’t make it up.

not sure who said what re the EMA but my partner has decades of experience in pharma and says it attracts significant inward investment and the loss of the ripple effect from it’s presence is sad and stupid.

that’s good enough for me.

just popping in to give a shout out to the Leavers for getting the EMA moved out of London. it’s much better that the centre of the European pharma industry (a mere 25% of global sales after all) is in another country, and our young smart people will be much happier pulling cabbages than study to work in that industry. good job.

Some months ago I emailed Guy Verhofstadt directly regarding preservation of rights for those who do not wish to have them removed from us against our consent (that’s many of us here I suspect).

I had a personalised reply – extract ->

From the moment this process started, I have been convinced that some sort of special solution needs to be found for individual citizens, like you and [redacted for privacy], who want to maintain their ties with the European Union.

However, I have to say that this will be difficult, but what I will promise is that I will do everything I can for people like you who feel European. You are not alone and your voice is being heard.

It’s heartening they are hearing our voices at least.

If you feel the same, drop him a line.

UK-EU supply chains begin to break amid Brexit trade fears
https://www.ft.com/content/eef9846a-c0bf-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

Contracts for post March 19 supply getting renegotiated now – and moving to inside the single market.

Project Fear eh?

All the EU have to do is sit on their hands, gain the business, and watch this unravel.

The case is based on triggering A50 being “unconstitutional”.

I would think, since Parliament voted for it, that’s not going to fly. Seems a tree that will bear no fruit to me.

The referendum happened and Article 50 happened. I’d love it to be stopped, and I don’t think that’s impossible, but I can’t see this being the way.

I’d be happy if you and they are right though.

It’s not over just yet
Article 50 Challenge

Parliament voted for it.

-double post-

I take it that’s a joke ?

on us I suspect.

Troll of the day, well done.

ah you’re back. well done!

you said:

What’s also pathetic is all you remainers semm to care about is whether it is hitting you financially and being able to move around freely, not any political principles

you’re either demonstrably wrong on that (read back …), or you think everyone who responded is lying.

which is it?

simple question.

Oh and they come to earn money, so with the £ dropping they’ll be getting less of it.

What’s also pathetic is all you remainers semm to care about is whether it is hitting you financially and being able to move around freely, not any political principles

@TurnerGuy, you had a good number of responses to this, are you ready to concede you are mistaken?

You’re wrong TurnerGuy I think the core values of the EU are fundamentally the right thing to do and carping on about the sanctity of the “nation state” is pathetic. It’s time to grow up.

As for the bill, cannot you see the EU is in the far stronger position so they just have to sit on their hands and wait, they don’t need to engage?

When you give a dog a biscuit you wait for it to come to you.

Well, they’re leaving the UK for the EU or elsewhere, that much appears certain.

Yes they will geographically diversify. One of the lessons of Brexit is not to have a large part of assets exposed to the vagaries of a single electorate or political system.

Looking like a choice between no deal or what we have now perhaps? What do you think?

I’ve always assumed toys out of pram and no deal was the plan our side.

But I think the EU will engineer a minimal deal and a transition period. They’ll do just enough that May can claim a success.

It’s in the EU’s interest – they know that deal or no deal, the best of the UK – brains, businesses, investments, are leaving. An ordered transition and gentle let down for the UK (the death of a 1000 cuts) is much better for the EU than a chaotic departure and crash, which damages EU countries too.

The eventual outcome is the same, but a slower smoother transition is less disruptive for the EU.

If I was EU, that’s what I’d do. String the UK along.

If I was head of a bank or multi-national with assets in the UK and looking to move, that’s what I’d want.

if you have nothing, what have you got to lose by voting for something different.

they’ve got plenty to lose, my friend from Brazil would gladly enlighten them on “it can’t get any worse than this”.

and they’ve also denied their kids opportunities as they have ours.

I sometimes hire contract programmers online. they earn a good multiple of the minimum wage. the barrier to entry is low to get a tryout – good communications skills, the nouse to be a self starter and train yourself a bit, access to a cheapish computer. anyone that paid attention at school can do it.

I don’t get any applications from the “depressed” parts of the UK. Where’s all the desperation for work?

there are a lot of disaffected in this country. many of them voted the way they did to register their protest at the shitness of it all. can’t blame them TBH.

why not?

nothing I ever did damaged those people.

The 2 year “transition/implementation” – if I was a business looking to relocate out of the UK I’d want that as it means I can do it orderly not in a flap.

It’ll be dressed up as a victory for May but it’s an EU win.

She’ll have to bend over on the bill first though. Likely she will.

We’re shafted.

I’m 50, established and lucky enough to live in a nice part of the country too, I can ride it out, but for the young going through college now this is a disaster. Legs cut from beneath the economy simultaneously with their rights to freely live and work in the world’s biggest FTA being removed, and they didn’t even get to vote on it. Perfect storm.

They should be furious.

they’re giving her a little puff to help her appear a little less weak at home. instability in the UK benefits nobody and I suspect they’d still have us stay.

People like mrmo talking the country down and stubbornly looking facts in the face are ruining Brexit.

Yanis: You cannot overcome reality by the power of will.

Great quote.

Well qualified people can work anywhere

I’m not well qualified. I still used my FOM rights to spend time in EU countries, to mutual benefit. I want those rights to continue and for my daughter to have them too.

Every leave vote is a direct and personal attack on those rights which I value, do not consent to being stripped of, and which she was born with.

love me a bit of Gareth Cheeseman. Brexit Bonus!

FAO any Brexiteers playing the “make Britain great again” card …

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/14/defence-spending-mod-cuts-brexit

Which would be a short conversation.

requiring unanimous consent from a group of countries economically damaged by Brexit.

Can someone summarise the last 1000 pages?

Most posters think Brexit is stupid.

don’t read this post, I’m merely chipping in to page 1,000.

no it’s because they love democracy. just enough democracy, mind you, and no more.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/13/david-davis-faces-legal-threat-over-secret-reports-on-brexit-impact

“The government has argued that publishing the reports could damage the UK’s negotiating position.”.

So they’re -ve then. If they were +ve, why would that damage the UK’s position?

remember Agincourt

it was a bit before my time.

No there’s no grand plan, just a bunch of individuals or small cells pulling in their own directions.

I guess that’s what Brexit is – a negative sum game.

Brexie strategy now seems to be “it’ll hurt us more but it’ll hurt you too so suck it up, Europe”.

Perhaps not the smartest strategy to take with our neighbours, partners and, to me (I realise I am an outlier and enemy of the people!), friends.

Perhaps they need to cotton on the Napoleonic era was 200 years ago.

besides which mefty my point was about the masked interviewees having the power to decide my future.