Hopefully I’m just being a pessimist. But I don’t buy “can’t happen here”. Can happen anywhere.

Which gives me an excuse to add to the playlist:

You lucky people.

Do you think the unquestioning Sun/MailExpress/Telegraph axis will carry on their unwavering flag-waving support once it becomes clear that the immigration figures won’t be coming down?

My theory is simpler. Yes I think they will, digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper as Brexit fails to deliver the promised sunlit uplands. Then in due course the blame will be put at the feet of the “traitorous remoaners” for not being fully behind the “will of the people”.

A significant part of the leave vote base are the same people who see you on your bike in the street, drive straight at you, and at the collision blame you for getting in their way. These are not the kinds of people who admit to mistakes or see balance. They see no further than they want what they want. “End of.” as they charmingly put it.

Pretty damn scary.

all hell is going to break loose

Yup. Big trouble coming IMO.

Morning giggle: https://capx.co/england-has-gone-mad/

We’ll all remember where we were when we heard about the 2017 War with Spain, inspired by unlovely Gibraltar, declared by Michael Howard and passionately taken up by the kind of right-wing Tory who lovingly displays decommissioned weaponry on their living-room wall. I was on a long train journey passing through some of England’s finest countryside when the news broke. How sad, I thought, that one day this would all be patatas bravas fields and manchego trees. We’d have to learn how to pronounce “chorizo” the right way and to pass a football properly. I worked through the maths – at 43, was I too old for the frontline? I checked my conscience – I’d happily write racist propaganda from home, but would rather avoid having to shoot Andres Iniesta in the face.

Now that the war is over and we survivors are making the best of the aftermath, a much more serious issue dominates the national debate, namely whether Cadbury and the National Trust have removed the word “Easter” from their Easter egg hunts. The answer to this is “no”, but in loopy England that hasn’t stopped the Prime Minister and the leader of the Opposition and the Church of England expressing strong condemnation.

So they actually want to stop people leaving the country as well? They want to trap people here?

What the actual ****?

Only enemies of the people would want to leave glorious Wangland.

I’m only half joking, the quitters throw around the word “traitor” without a thought.

@jambalaya : “The future of an estimated 100,000 jobs has been plunged into doubt after a close political ally of the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and president of the European commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, warned that a prized sector in the City of London must relocate to EU soil after Brexit.”

Is that factually incorrect? I’m not a fundamentalist and find it very plausible any article can be wrong.

I really, really need to move out of Surrey.

Surrey voted remain.

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out

There’s much more to the EU than a spreadsheet. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

no.

a mere 100,000 London jobs in Euro clearing? more double that with the ripple effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit

I’m not looking to “go back” to anything. I voted Leave so that the UK was no longer part of the EU’s superstate plan for the future.

Maybe you’re not but I think (faux) nostalgia informed significantly one of the cohorts that voted leave. The leave vote was not homogenous. (Luckily that also means it’s divisible).

now? they’ve got all Apple’s unpaid tax! 😉

^^ word. No way near over. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to shut you down.

Jamba said

The whole of the rest of the world manages just fine not being in the EU

Very large parts of the rest of the world are in a dreadful state. Utterly awful. The EU is a prosperous and liberal paradise by any comparison to most of the world.

Teenager beaten to near death for being an asylum seeker.

A horror.

Yesterday someone put me on a Twitter list called “Next time an immigrant commits rape, blame these”.

Oh and I don’t totally understand the logic of the EU’s Gibraltar clause. How does moving Gib out of the FTA prevent the Spanish using it as a veto? Surely they can veto for any reason they want.

The Gib issue being in the draft terms doesn’t bode well for a moderate process though. On our side it gives the flag wavers a cause to rally around and dig in. Not sure how that helps the EU unless they’ve totally given up on a moderate outcome or even revocation.

But yeah, seems to me that any of the 27 nations can veto any deal and therefore I can’t see how many deal can be done in 24 months. (but everyone else thinks it can, so maybe I’m wrong about that)

I don’t see a trade deal happening, we’ll do the “walk away”.

That’s why May has mentioned it many times – she knows it’s the only outcome she can both promise and deliver.

Yeah thx for the prod, quite right.

I suspect his beady eye would have turned across the Channel in due course. Where an expansionist empire sees a threat it deals with it. Check out the Romans, they “conquered the world in self defence”.

After which we have ended up speaking German.

Nonsense. GB could have opted out of WW2, just like the USSR did.

Oh.

That’s an example of a United Europe bringing Peace!?

No it was an example of nationalism leading to mass murder.

Look at a map guys. We are surrounded by the EU, or closest neighbour in every direction.

We have to get along.

You think the US give a toss about us? Not for a moment.

Who else?

Morocco? Turkey? Russia?

Strewth.

If we treat the EU as an enemy it will become an enemy.

God help us how did we come to this.

Has no leave voter a clue about 20thC European history?

I despair.

I have to believe Tom_W was just being flippant re “shooting war”. I have to.

Thx for info on HK chaps. One learns.

Block the borders and what happens to Gibratar?

Starvation?

mattjg, read up on Treaty of Nanking.

Not going to do that. I’ve always understood it was a lease but I am open to correction. (So why did we give it back?)

@deviant the major gulf here between you and me is I don’t see the EU as an enemy to be destroyed. Hard to bridge that between you and me!

In fact I’m sure the EU have my interests more at heart than my own government, who don’t give a stuff. They work for Pau Dacre, end of story really.

We gave HK back as our 100 year lease expired. It was contractual.

He’s right on this one.

Verhofstadt:

“Twenty million people have died because of nationalism in Europe,” he told his audience at Chatham House.

“There is not one family living on the continent and certainly not in Britain who has no grandfather, grandmother, who was not a victim of these stupidities, these atrocities at the end of the 19th and the whole 20th century.

“Putting your future organisation of Europe on nationalist ideas is the most stupid thing you can do. It’s playing with fire knowing what it has created in the past.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-eu-european-union-guy-verfhostadt-chief-negotiation-threat-to-a7553131.html

I agree with Guy. And not Nigel and his nation-state weebling, he’s pathetic.

Do we really want to be this f**king stupid AGAIN!!!!!!

Very significant reason for voting remain IMO. Seventy years of uninterrupted peace in western Europe, it’s never happened before.

Popped into Sainsburys earlier, for the first time in a few weeks, some serious price hikes!

Too bloody right the coffee I buy has gone from £3.50 to £3.75!

ps our Army is really that strong? All we ever hear is numbers are being cut and the kit is ancient.

The EU is showing its true vindictive colours at the moment and I for one can’t wait to leave.
I spent time in Australia a few years ago and felt I had more in common with those guys and girls then the French, Germans and Spanish etc over the channel.

Perhaps you did but pragmatically they’re the other side of the world not a 90 minute ship ride away.

It’s also possible food import volumes will rise if the farmers can’t get affordable labour and have to switch to intensive automatable crops like wheat.

yes but we can do without BMWs.

that plan only works once.

kimbers, love the Ladybird cover.

I was offering balance to newrobdob’s experience of rude remainers. It didn’t take me long.

For a fuller dose try Get Britain Out.

And the rabid insults, put downs and downright disgusting behaviour of remainers to people who voted out made me damn sure changing my mind is a good thing. To be honest some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves, accusing leave voters of things you are way more guilty of since the result went against you.

“50b for no change? Give them sweet FA, or tax Remainers at 99.9%. Wouldn’t be so keen to make noise when they have to stump up. Although they could always sell their second properties and put the kids in a cheaper private school. That digs you in the ribs eh remain trash?”

Random comment, very near top, grabbed from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4367250/EU-leaders-REJECT-Theresa-s-demand-parallel-talks.html#comments

(Emphasis is mine).