just spoke to the bike company who know the frame and it has not been reported stolen, although they did NOT say they told Moz it was not stolen

Moz i have rung Stif, there is a Craig and i am waiting for him to call me back!!

thats him, thats My seller, not so good loooking but a bit more Gay, looks like my seller is more interested in the pink dolla

ill buy a hundred of those t-shirts as long as they arent stolen :-(
seriously has anyone called Stif yet? and asked for Craig?

Warton, am i "the Troll"? because i just found out what it means ? andi have not asked anyone for a fight, just said i am willing to discuss anything with anyone in any way they want privately or otherwise

Grumm
Take it however you like, i think you are out of order, more so than anyone else on here! but i am not bothered by what you or anyone else says. just saying that it would be better somewhere quiet to discuss anything so we wouldnt get sidetracked or interrupted

by the way i have already registered the rights to these posts just in case they want to turn it into a hollywood blockbuster or a guy ritchie thriller

Grumm why would you think i would live somewhere a bit dodgier? if you notice i am the only one on here with their real name instead of an alias everything i have said has been honest and will stand up to scrutiny i am not hiding behind anything!! and if anyone doesnt likeme or wants to discuss anything outside of this forum i am happy to meet up somewhere quiet

also Mr agreeable if the frame does turn out to be stolen i would LIKE the owner to get it back, i know i would be happy or "stoked" as you lot say

Grumm i registerd 3 sites, i am sure as long as i do it ok i am sure ibis will be happy enough. IbisMojo.co.uk could have been bought at any time by Ibis in the last ten years i dont suppose thay are bothere otherwisee thay would have bought it already

Mr agreeable i dont need to " keep my head down " i have done nothing wrong !! and if it turns out to be stolen then i have already said i would give it back. and as i didnt buy it knowingly stolen then hopefully that will be good enough

Warton, you could look on ebay for all the bikes being sold near where you live and if you suspect them being stolen you could send the seller an email saying you suspect its stolen and see what happens from there??

has anyone phoned Stif or Jungle and asked for Craig yet?

Mr agreeable get your facts right !!!!!! you are pond life, what else does not checkout
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barnsley i paid £50 deposit via paypal and £650 cash.
llama : i did not buy out of the back of car it was my choice, Moz gave me his address and phone number and asked me to collect from his house, hardly the actions to be suspicious of!!!!! but the train station suited me NOT moz!!
mi@k: the reason i dont n=buy new is obvious as soon as you buy a bike its worse 25% less if i decide i dont like it or want another and i take a loss, this way i can try lots of frames i wouldnt have been able to, like my Titus, like my Ventana , like my Kstrel do you see?
however i do buy new components and buy at least £50 of stuff from Chain reaction every week, Avid code 5s last week, Muddy mARYS THIS WEEK ETC ETC

llama farmer i take your point but there must be people who just have frames in their loft hoping to build them one day, in various stages of build. i have 6 spare shocks and until i am sure which type, coil, air, etc i want to put on my new frame, it will be shockless, but i would never leave a bottom bracket in just in case i couldn get it out later, but i might sell the frame on like that. whic is one of the reasons i was more interested in getting a bargain on Mozs frame,because it was shockless and i had one, whereas someone else would have to add the cost of a shock to the frame,i didnt so i could have thoretically bid higher.

BarnsleyMitch i dont know how old Moz is but the seller was about 30 a bit gormless looking, smoked but generally pleasant enough

Warton, that is not where the problem lies the problem is with you presumptious people presuming a crime has been committed, in fact i think most of you now want it to have been stolen to back up all your unfounded comments.
when i said i dont care its nothing to do with me, i would have said it about anything the seller told me, i had the hump because i came all that way to buy a new frame and it was used, if he had told me he had a bugatti Veyron or was married to Pamela Anderson i would have said something very similar. And if you care so much about stolen bikes what active role do you play in the stopping of stolen bikes,is it confined to forums on the web? because i suggest that means you dont really care either

waswas what business of yours is it where i get my money?? if you had read earlier i own a building firm i dont smoke or drink but i love bikes
Moz i dont think you are a thief!!!! and i dont think you are stupid but i think you are acting stupidly!!
llamafarmer why do you think the bike was taken apart? there are 5 pages of frames only just in aluminium and carbon mountain bikies on ebay, not all are stolen, the most common reason, and which is waht i do, people buy nice parts and change their frames and put the parts on them. some with parts some with shocks some with headsets, none of it means anything without more info.
and i think i said i would buy another one, if i wanted to

No Moz you are an idiot and if you remember you said some frames were reported stolen from Jungle but they werent Ibis Mojo so i didnt need to worry which i replied i dont care its nothing to do with me.
and Moz you are an idiot because started out pretending not to be the seller when in fact you are!
but the main reason you are in idiot is because you are the only one who can put a stop to this by telling us where you got them, but you wont!!
oh and i am entitled to think you are an idiot for not knowing the difference between a new frame and old one, i will give you a clue, if its scratched and dirty its probably not new

uplink, it didnt feel like shit, it didnt smell like shit but your post sure looks like shit, i was the only one involved so its only me who actually knows what it felt like, as i say until its proven either way then nobody Knows anything and you are only having opinions based on the unsubstantiated rhetoric of a small cross section of stw users, which is not any sort of basis for any judgement

Grumm i am bothering because believe it or not i do care and i am trying to help but am still peed off by people who do not KNOW anything and only SUSPECT things slagging me off. when i bought the frame i did NOT suspect Moz had stolen it, to be perfectly honest i might of if Moz had not come from Leeds. i was hoping he got some sort of deal from Stif or knew someone who worked there?
Grumm, please enlighten me, are you saying i used the wrong words to describe my statement, if so do tellme what i should have said, o are you saying that i failed abjectly in what i set out to do?

llamafarmer i agree with most of what you say, except the part about clueless people selling bikes. check the ads on ebay there are lots of people who are clueless selling bikes of all shapes and sizes. some maybe thieves but i suspect most are not, there are people selling their boyfriends bike who has left, dads selling their kids bikes etc one guy didnt know anything but wanted to sell his sons bike, his son had died recently!! one woman was selling her cheating husbands etc etc. i think you are right and i am probably guilty of misjudgement because i DIDNT smell a rat, like everyone else on here who have yet to be proved right, and i still think the subject should be moot until proven either way, until then i will defend my position

mi@k if you look earlier i HAVE put two serial numbers on here already for both my xl carbons( with 2 numbers missing) , so dont say anything else unless you know what you are saying, i have already posted the serial numbers, saying it twice just for you!! and Mi@k if it is not stolen and it snaps on me is that fair? anyway if it does snap i will buy another one because i can afford to! you should all keep your mouths shut until its proven one way or the other, and people who eat from burger vans would think a macdonalds is a high end burger if you can understand the metaphor

if you are so bright why are you so dumb? do you not realise the macdonalds think was sarcasm, irony,satire call it what you will, not a real statement, i just think all the people on here so blinkered in their thoughts that the one track minds they have is clouding their reasoning. to learn to write code does it require any thought process or do you do it without having to think anymore, just like you are doing on this forum?

Dr bakes, does everyone agree that Moz comes from Leeds, and does everyone think that i am Moz, if so why am i running a building firm in London and sitting at my desk as we speak. are you another dosser from Leeds not working? or are you knicking time from yor bosses while on the computer? before you say anything, i am the boss so i can do what i like when i am at work

Warton, it seems like you are obsessed with the size of my brain, all i said was i used a tenth of it , i didnt say it was a big brain, only that it is more powerful than yours which makes yours tiny.

Warton you should be careful what you say about people you dont know! for a start its just as bad as buying a stolen bike frame?
i also thing your are **** stupid because when you go to buy anything the you dont ask or need "evidence" that its not stolen, do you ask macdonalds if their buns are nicked, do you ask tesco where they got there bananas, do you ask the milkman if he knew if the farmer owned the cow the milk came from, No of course not. However as i have said before if it is proven to be stolen i will give it back !

and the reason i havent left him feedback yet you idiot because at the moment its neutral but if it is proven to be stolen it will be a negative, and if you check my feedback you will see i have over 1020 positives and only 1 neg from 10 months ago so that should show that i am honest even if my judgement turns out to be cloudy on this bike frame

mi@k (jester amzing you were the first one to find that on predictive text!!) when i got interested in the mojo frame it had no reserve i therefore dd not know what it was going to sell for, i bid £810 trying to get a bargain, which are out there on ebay! i got outbid, at the time i was not watching the auction so it could have gone for £2000 for all i knew. then i got a second chance offer at £810 which if the frame was new £1900 from stif? ) with no shock – £300 = £1600 no Dw link -£100 inc fitting by shop =£1500 which although is a bargain isnt that much of one. when i saw it and saw it wasnt new i paid him £700 which i thought was about the right money, wouldnt you say? now i also more fool you for buying a bike for the money it was expected to go for, ebay is for bargains, using a 10th of my brain power i would choose to bid for any thing especially a high end bike when there is more than one for sale, which means i might get a good deal. i would choose to look for when auctions end during an england football match or ian unusual time, and there are bargains to be had, legitimate bona fide ones, its about being shrewd. my point which i keep saying is i didnt think it was stolen, and nobody has any proof it was, and until it the status of the bike frame is in limbo. if however it is proved to be stolen then in HINDSIGHT you are all right! if it is not proven to be stolen then you are all presumptious mugs and i havent done anything wrong and nor has that idiot Moz.

thanks barry,
sorry Seven about the incomprehensible English, its just that i am getting so frustrated trying to get my point across that my typing cant keep up with my thinking. why dont you try to explain it for me, i didnt know it was nicked, didnt even consider the possibility that it might be, Moz, who isnt me didnt seem like a thief and there is no proof or evidence that he is or that the frames were indeed stolen. is that comprehensible enough.

Well its all going quiet my end because i am going out. Chase did you read all 8 pages then? fool. tomorrow i will post some pics and some otehr stuff to give you some background to me, you can make up your own mind if i am Moz as well, night night children, dont forget to clean your teeth before you go to bed

ok MOron, because no one has on this forum has said they have had one stolen, then it must be?? that is more stupid than my answer, can you not all see, no one knows if its stolen or not, so no crime yet. it seems to me that you all WANT it to have been stolen, when maybe we should all be wishing it wasnt. And Warton i bet your parents only had sex once and gave up just in case they got another one like you, are you related to Jordan or jADE GOODY BY ANY CHANCE?

i still think Austin Powers started this thread, lets all help him find his Mojo.
i think it would be great to see who everyone is behind these avatars, kids, people without jobs, people without money, police , evening all, and Moz? hmmm how do we categorize him??

Warton, whatever you THINK is irrelevant you can only have opinions until you have facts and then maybe we can discuss it more, stif and jungle will get lots of calls tomorrow, as for half a brain, maybe but i bet a quarter of my brain is more powrful than yours , its quite obvious these are stolen, why is it obvious i still dont understand how it is obvious just because you dont like what you see, you are like a ref who gives a penalty that wasnt. and if you missed it i said i would give the frame back and lose my money if it was stolen and the guy it was stolen from contacts me. One thought however, i go biking in epping forest, danbury thetford forest i dont know anyone that has had their bike stolen, how comes mojo owners are so careless in Leeds, or maybe they arent stolen maybe they are insurance scams?? who KNOWS not you not me

nice detective work WillSimmons
and i think Moz should fess up to where and who he got bikes from

thats the best idea you have had all day Moz, i am starting to like you lol,

What is this Troll stuff, was that your t-shirt earlier ? if you used to wear that, enough said, if you bought it from ebay without a receipt enough said, if you own that and keep it but dont wear it enough said. i enjoyed todays banter because it was fun, but now school has finished and the kids are home its got boring

nobody knows if Moz or Lester are telling the truth, but tomorrow everyone can phone jungle, check Moz story check my frame number and if they are not stolen i expect everyone to apologise to Moz, i dont need an apology because i dont care what any of you think. if the frames are stolen, as i have said i will give mine back, and Moz can do what he thinks is right.

Warton, you are another a*******e who says the bike was stolen, how do you know or are you do you have a gift? You do NOT know and i dont think you should make any accusations about things that may or may not be true i am reflecting on my buying methods and i may change my future behaviour but i will not take any critisism for what i did, you may be all sceptical cynics, but i like to think people are basically honest

Hora please be accurate and only talk about whta you know and not what you think you know, e mail the £1250 guy and ask him if he sold me the frame last week in reading at the b and q and he will tell you yes, but we went outside ebay , how naughty ! am i one of those people who thinks its ok to buy something that has not got a receipt , well unfortunately yes, i have sold lots of things on ebay that were mine and didnt have a receipt , who keeps them or can find them. i sold an armani suit that cost me £900 for £100 and it wasnt fake and didnt have a receipt but it was genuine. also i think its highly unfair to call me a toe – rag until you KNOW AND CAN PROVE that the frame was stolen. have you bought off ebay and have you had a receiptfor all the goods that you have bought? or is it only bikes that should have receipts?? and i say again in 10 years of being an ebayer i have never seen anyone on ebay post a picture of their stolen mojo but i have seen them for lots of other bikes. leave the toe rag stuff alone and be factual

oops i just realised i put a 1 in the first serial number it should read 07M**49.
whether i enjoyed my dealings with Moz is one thing, but at least he is putting some effort in to clearing his besmirched name, and i hope if he does prove the frames are stolen that you lot are ashamed!! mind you i thought it was a great laugh and hope to see you all one day oin my website which will be one of these
mojoowners.com
mojoowners.co.uk
ibismojo.co.uk
not sure which yet