Do you think they’re true?

Why did Special Branch have files on Lord Janner?

That question is answered in the fifth and sixth paragraphs of the article you posted.

What specifically is interesting about it?

aracer – Member
I wonder for whom the lack of a trial of the facts is convenient.
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
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I wonder for whom Janner being 87 years old and mortal was convenient.

scotroutes – Member
If we “know” Saville was guilty without a trial (of any sort), what’s the difference here?
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I suppose a real conspiracy theorist would be saying that Savile was a patsy. Why would “the establishment” set him up, otherwise? He was conveniently childless, unmarried and was not part of the establishment (a couple of photos with Prince Charles and NYE at Thatcher’s doesn’t make you an insider).

Of course, that would be stupid.

Why was a 3 point win such a big deal? I don’t understand.

All that supplier’s costs are charged onto my clients. I’ve got an obligation to get the best value for them. There’s no legitimate reason for a supplier to be giving me sweeteners to think better of them. And if they’re not trying to get me to think better of them, why are they sending it?

This then took my thinking to …. if the 2nd ammendment give Americans the right to form a militia to fight the government….then do ISIS-minded Americans have the right to form a militia to fight the government?

2nd amendment reference to “militia” (arguably) was meant as (white, male) citizenry generally, not necessarily an organised militia in the sense of a band or group.

In any case, most NRA gun nuts couldn’t GAF about nonwhites which is why they’re not advocating black citizens tool up to protect themselves against actual government tyranny but focus on white people facing hypothetical tyranny.

Supplier sent a bottle of wine. Bit of a hassle because I will send it back. There’s no business reason for me to be getting gifts from them.

Saudi Arabia must be up there amongst the heaviest drinkers, being as it’s the biggest export market in the world for Scotch whisky.

Complete pish.

Take care OP (and others in similar positions).

Good luck to you alll

Oh! I thought you were talking about the Devout Ones that insist on an established Church and that there is a Monarch chosen by God to rule over her subjects, and that power and wealth should cascade to her magical offspring, a decision that affects the rights and obligations of everyone in the country . How surprising and entirely unpredictable that you were in fact banging about what Muslims want to eat for tea.

Bencooper: do you think that the nativity play was part of the formal curriculum (as that term is properly understood by educators)?

Atheism is an absence of faith, not belief.

From the religious observance policy:
“An approach seeking to convert an audience to one faith or another is not appropriate in the non-denominational sector”
You’ll have to explain how a minister leading the children in prayer does not constitute “seeking to convert”.

Because the non-Christian kids weren’t required to pray with him and because (I strongly suspect) it was nondenominational prayer. The same way that going to a mosque and having someone pray in front of you isn’t trying to get you to convert.

Basically, this whole thread is predicated on a fallacy: that OP sends his kids to a secular school. He doesn’t, as he would have realised if he’d read his own guidelines or possibly if he’d thought about what the kids doing a nativity play means. “you know, it’s funny, I knew the kids had been sacrificing goats but I never realised this was a pagan after school club before”.

Once again, the issue is that school appears to not be following its own guidelines.

Amazingly, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make you right.

Not here but on gumtree:

“Mans bike in vgc needs a tune up £90 no timewasters”

No photo.

I am a raving Hoxhaite atheist and you are being unreasonable, OP.

If you are so worried about this, why on earth haven’t you enrolled your child into a secular school?

It is. It is a non-denominational Scottish state school. Do I need to quote the guidelines again?

“Secular” doesn’t mean the same as “non-denominational”. OP didn’t even read the introduction to his own “guidelines” link, which says

Under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 Education Authorities have a statutory duty to provide Religious Observance and Religious Education in Scottish schools. This continues the requirements of previous Education Acts. Furthermore parents / carers have a legal right to withdraw their child from such provision.

A nativity play is religious observance. The OP could have withdrawn his kid from it. The minister didn’t prosetylise (look up the meaning). To start pearl-clutching when Reverend McGinty does Thought for the Day after the kids finish singing Little Donkey is disingenuous. He was hardly advocating hanging pagans and heretics from the tuck shop.

I made no suggestion that mining (and the industrial gains from it) was anything other than something that has benefited us, even to this day.

I can’t say that I didn’t fail to decline any attempt to resist not to not parse that sentence ;)

… Surely they should fill out the lost passport form, as they lost it, not you?

OP needs to get a LP7 Lost Passport Form Completion Request Form…don’t lose it..

So it’s interesting how many people only care about it with halal. In particular, when they don’t care about shechita.

I don’t think your bog standard bigot has got much love for Teh Jews either and if they knew about Jewish ritual slaughter they’d bang on about that too. But they don’t know about it – mostly because there are ten times as many Muslims in the UK as Jews, and you practically never see kosher as a food option. There’s nothing sinister about halal being focused on more than the Wee Frees’ requirement that chickens be kicked to death on the sabbath before its flesh can be consumed (a requirement I just made up).

Otoh I agree that for a certain class of newspaper columnist it’s less uncomfortable to yabber about halal than shechita because they don’t have many Muslim friends, colleagues or bosses.

Abramovich has apparently spent £71m paying off sacked managers!

And after he worked so hard to earn the money in the first place…

Is NYE much worse than an average Saturday in your line of work, Drac? FoF was a cop and hated it. I used to work in bars and didn’t like it at all (but I’m a misery guts).

Looks like the officer that shot the guy in the car has now been arrested: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jermaine-baker-shooting-met-officer-arrested-in-dramatic-development-a3140021.html

Lucy Allan MP of the fake death threats email discussed above: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-rocked-by-new-bullying-storm-as-mp-lucy-allan-accused-of-vicious-abuse-of-sick-staff-member-a3139526.html

I’d rather he didn’t.
I feel obliged to go, but I’d rather sit at home looking at a wall, than sit looking at his face as he moans, whinges, and bangs on about work all night.

Well muffin-MTFU and don’t go. I don’t because I’d be that moaner in the corner. I don’t go – no-one has to have their vibe spoiled by my sour puss – everyone’s a winner (except me.)

One of the great strengths of the CofE is its willingness to take into account other peoples’ wishes

Only appropriate considering it was founded to take into account one particular person’s wish to be shot of a spouse. :D

Kona that Stat isn’t as cut and dry as you thin a few exceptionally highly paid individuals vastly increase the male average earnings and skew the figures.

You didn’t read the link. :oops:

dont look at the monster energy girls..
Are they exploited? Do they get paid less than their male counterparts? Is there gender equality?

When I worked as a dogsbody at a marketing company and organised “promotion girls”, they were all day labourers with zero employment rights. I doubt things have changed much.

I don’t know if the Monster Energy models get paid less than their male counterparts (first you’d have to work out who their counterparts are) on the day that they work there. We do know that women generally get paid about 10-20% less than men: http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/statistics/

Is there gender equality?

That’s an odd rhetorical question for you to ask.

sweepy – Member
How does halal compare with kosher?
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A different group of hirsute pedants wanders around once a year and collects a cheque from the processor.

But the counterpoint is, what if Maxxis had printed a companion “Maxxis Hunks” calendar

You’ve posed a factual point against a hypothetical counterpoint. Is it a likely or useful counterpoint? I suggest the answer is “no”.

lol @ perchy

Transferwise, really. New kid on the block, cheap, fast. Use the promo code to get a cheaper transfer and get grum one notch closer to a kickback ;) I used ozforex and xe.com and they were more expensive recently.

Jamba, did you ever have the old guy on the ancient Indian bike pointed out to you? He does the catch in transit for all the families’ booths, and has everything in a medieval leather satchel wrapped around the handlebars. “No-ones going to rob him when he carries everyone’s money…”

Where do you plan to put these big dams anyway?

Ooh, can I suggest somewhere I don’t live or like to go?

I think it would be a bit different. A pilot making a mistake wouldn’t face a murder charge, unless of course there was some evidence he had crashed his plane deliberately. A firearms officer who in the heat of the moment decides he needs to shoot someone could be convicted of it, if a jury subsequently decided his decision wasn’t reasonable.

You wouldn’t get convicted of murder if you made a genuine mistake about whether a person running towards you had a gun or a phone in your hand. You might get convicted of manslaughter. You should look into the different between the two, it might allay your fears a bit.

And tbh the concept of a police officer is practically an abstraction so this is almost a theoretical discussion. Look at the number of people who die in police custody and at police hands, and then look at the number of police officers that get prosecuted for murder or manslaughter, and then look at the number of number convicted. It’s practically zero. (You can bring your own explanation as for why). A cop that didn’t want to sign up for armed duty because they were worried about prosecution would either be terrible at probability or a walking advert for moral hazard.

In any case there doesn’t seem to be a problem with recruiting cops to go zooming around in blacked out beamers and shooting TX-1000s at the range. Apparently it’s more attractive than dealing with Mrs Miggins’s burglary or giving your 500th speeding ticket to some dickhead asking if you don’t have real criminals to catch.

Well that’s decided later isn’t it, after months of scrutiny if the court concludes the killing wasn’t done lawfully in self-defence or the defence of someone else, unlike most murders where the person committing them knows at the time that what they’re doing isn’t lawful.

??? You’re worried about what happens to armed police recruitment if an armed police officer is convicted of murder?

wonder where we will end up if a police officer is prosecuted or convicted for murder after a momentary mistake?

A momentary mistake of murder?

See, you’ve successfully proved than anyone can misremember – even me, because it turns out that it was witness B who said it, and I was wrong in that they did find a blackberry in the car (one of the two phones)

I don’t think the police “misremembered”, all in exactly the same way.

It’s possible that you’re part of the conspiracy. More likely the PR team at the Met Police feels comfortable making up any old shit in the first couple of hours after a dodgy shooting and feeding it to journalists miles away who are desperate to file copy…as they did with de Menezes, Duggan, Tomlinson etc.

…and sometimes witnesses contradict each other, like Witness B, whose video showed that four police officers’ statements were consistent with each other but inconsistent with the truth: http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/news/crime-court/mark_duggan_inquest_coroner_leaves_jury_to_resolve_stark_problem_of_contradictory_police_evidence_1_3103080

Used to be standard for the officer in such a case to be suspended pending the investigation.

Doesn’t look like it here:

The highly unusual move marks an escalation in the IPCC investigation and a spokesman from Scotland Yard told The Telegraph it was “not routine”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12050452/Police-firearms-officer-suspended-after-fatal-Wood-Green-shooting.html

Members of the public spouting off to the press or anyone else who’ll listen, then subsequently failing to put their money where their mouth is, is all too common unfortunately.

Hmm. These eyewitnesses that supposedly speak to journalists immediately after deaths caused by police, are their comments randomly distributed between “things that make the cops look good” and “things that make the cops look bad”?

Well, tippety-top. So pleased that everything can be cleared up this quickly.

Weird how that eyewitness who said the “scum” charged at the police with a gun seems to have disappeared, isn’t it? Almost as if s/he was never there.

Makes you think…