BillMC/Mefty,

1) it’s Gini (lower case) named after the person that invented it, not an acronym.

2) Netherlands and Sweden are both great examples of its limitations as a useful or indeed misleading measure of overall equality/inequality.

It took me four minutes to find that out. How awkward.

ninfan

Member
Of course Jamba was Trolling

he knows perfectly well that JRM is the next PM

Any good Conservative would concede that by a thumping Brexit-eclipsing majority, ‘none of the above’ is their next leader. This is a consistent result in conservative Home and bmg polls since the summer. Latest one being Johnson on 13% and R-M on 7%. No one at all on 51%. Kind of puts the ‘anyone but Corbyn’ movement at the last leadership bout into perspective.

it’s like kids bikes. We in STWland all know that a pig-iron toys-r-us special with brakes that are impossble to squeeze is going to make getting junior into cycling that much harder.

Same is true for musical (especially stringed) instruments -small hands doing harder work than a ‘proper’ instrument for grownups is not a recipie for success.

So as above, 2nd hand 3/4 size electric (soooo  much easier to set up right and to play than an acoustic) from squier or yamaha will be sold in a couple of years for near enough what you bought it for.  Think of it as a much cheaper version of a s/h islabike or frog investment.   Squier mini strat is what guitarists buy their kids. We bought one for £50, sold it for £50 years later.

“This is crazy. Some bad things will happen from this poor decision.”

“I don’t agree. Provide evidence for the bad things.”

“No. You find my evidence for the bad things and then tell me if/why you think I am wrong.”

“It’s your assertion -if you believe it then show me why”

“No, if you were as serious about this as me you would work it out and tell me why I am wrong.”

Higher education lecturers would generously call this a ‘FO-FO’. I think the level of debate is taking another beating on here if the last statement is how we can choose to maintain our position.

Btw if poster B bites, then the next move is that whatever he posts, poster A graciously thanks poster B for proving him right.

Discogs has a mobile app with a barcode scanner, but if you are moving then only really of use in terms if weeding out the cd’s that might be worth a bit. 800 random cd’s will take years to sell on discogs but ultimately get you much much more than music magpie. You probably have a few in there worth something more than a quid if you have 800 altogether.

I would put the interesting (i.e. Higher s/h value!) ones in a couple of job lots on eBay for no more than 30% of their total value as per discogs (a reseller will buy them but it needs to be worth their while too) and then music magpie or just charity shop for the rest which given MM prices are hardly worth selling at all if you are in a hurry.

Surely this thread is inspired by The Marquis of Granby: a fine duellist, horseman and a lovely piece of comedy.

For a pub, he is uncommonly agile.

The Unicorn. Doubtful tbh.

Generic dull concrete centre

Looks like concrete in the rain. Actually clad in oolite. Look closely and there are fossils of zillion year old sea creatures all over it.

OP a decent sized 4 bed semi in a nice enough bit of Plymouth is £250k or so.

Stoke village has lovely parts in walking distance of the dockyard but nearest 2 secondaries are a bit meh. Close to the girls and boys grammar schools if they will have your kids.

We walk slower down here apparently. More overweight people than average. Accent is amaaaaazing! Traffic is actually not bad even at the worst of times compared to other cities of similar size (especially Exeter!)

Scamper it the other way round: you would be mad to move from Devon (even Plymouth!!) to Surrey! If you have any house at all in Surrey you will be able to buy at least 2 here. We also have the coolest version of a sea front (nothing like most coast towns) that is bleak and stormy in winter but just awesome in the summer. With a chuffin’ ‘ lighthouse in the middle of it! That you can go right up to the top of for peanuts. Great theatre if that’s your thing, gigs are fine for little/unsigned bands but if the beaten track for most big acts. We seem to get all the usual big standup comedy acts though. Also:
Surf. Dartmoor. Cornwall. So many beaches in east reach. Trails. Sailing. Loads of green spaces all over town and suburbs. Couple of great and massive cycling clubs. Gawton downhill trails.
Oh and of course Newnham park: best xc/marathon race venue ever!

Corbyn wanted to trigger A50 on June 24th, 2016. I think you’d find we’d be in a trickier place now had he done so certainly if you are a Soft Brexiteer / Remainer

Keir Starmer. That is all.

I must not be selling enough, however an old frame i had on facebook a few months ago has just this morning attracted the offer of a swap for a PS4 controller. 8) 8)

Verona, Vicenza, Padova all lovely too with tons of history/churchy stuff, architecture etc and easy train rides from Venice too.
And +1 for just wandering around off the beaten trail.

Very good thm. Now please think back to your post at the end of the last page and explain where one interview with nme gets confused with policy/manifesto and who confused it.

It is right and proper that people including students who voted labour should be questioning the detail. Snake oil indeed. Sounds like politics continues as usual.

However you do this argument no favours at all when you can post unsubstantiated comments like your original one. No one thought it was policy at the time, and there will no doubt be plenty of other actual real policy/manifesto u-turns and myths busted open to be disappointed about should we have a labour government in 2 years’ time. …so why not start with the facts in the first place and work from there? You could have saved yourself four posts in here if you’d just made that last point on the last page.

sorry-double post

No really thm. Who is ‘saying that and relying on it’?
Traditionally in online debate, this is the point where you post a link to explain the assertion.

But some are clearly saying that, indeed relying on it

Er, who?

Or what young people would feel like if they voted for a party who pretended that they would cancel fees and outstanding debt and the went, oops, sorry?

You argue much better when you aren’t conflating/confusing an idea in a single interview with a pop magazine with ‘policy’ or manifesto. Unless you are suggesting that university students are too poorly educated to tell the difference? Cos obviously you can, why else would you make such a remark?

So yeah maybe leaving Davis out of the loop is the best brexit news all week. :lol:

I am interpreting it as ‘turns out that Davis really is a first class idiot and impossible to work with’.

Has jambalaya leaving the thread distracted us from this setback?

Oliver Robbins quits

We know NHS staff work weekends et cetera. It is disingenuous to talk of these things without mentioning the remuneration received.

And you are equally disingenuous to state an average wage without qualifying that it includes overtime, on call and a lifestyle that is quite different (and if you work nights, quite life-shortening) from the average worker elsewhere in world if employment.

Really if you want to challenge the junior doctors and fire service about disingenuous futures then you need to set a better example or have your own lazy referencing challenged.

Why do overtime or put up with it?
Aaaaah, well when you have a professional moral and legal duty to, it’s kind of hard sometimes to take that stance and keep your job.
Just as in the police and the armed forces, it is technically possible not only to be sacked but also imprisoned for just downing tools and walking off given the wrong set of circumstances.
Of course not all unpaid overtime is totally life and death (though in my career to date there are easily 100 cases where it would have been) but it is real people with real lives and real problems you are leaving at the end of the day.

You should move down South where the average earnings per person in the English NHS was £31,300 in the 12 months to December 2016.

Of course in making this point, sbob managed not to point out that just two lines later in his source (This one perchance?) that the basic pay average in the NHS in that same period was actually £26,721. Yes that is over £1000 below the national average wage for that period (as per ONS figures) Yes later in the text (table 3 sbob) it confirms that this figure of £31300 includes weekends nights on calls, Christmas, overtime and ‘London Weighting’ etc and both figures encapsulate everyone from porters to consultants and chief execs.

Employee surveys also continually show a significant amount of unpaid overtime for those supposedly paid by the hour. For me that is easily 4-5 hours a week most weeks.

If it helps you chewkw, I live in a modest 3 bed house in a poor town and yet the sofa I am sat on is no more than 300m away from a maker of luxury yachts.
Luxury Yachts[/url]

^^^ nickc: is it possible to have hatred towards Jews, also but so much hatred towards Iran/Palestine that you still support a (happens to be Jewish) government that hates them too?
Like a much much much more racist version of the way you momentarily support the football team you don’t really like but that today is playing against the team you like the least.

If whataboutery and ‘trump rules’ apply in this thread, then what about the antiemetism abound in the Conservative party?
They are like the school that says “we don’t have a problem with bullying in our school” -of course they do: it’s just not as reported because no one sees the point in bothering.

Two 303’s, last week:

Bloody hell Tang that sounds tough. Speaking as someone who doesn’t have ed in his family but very much does this (<18’s though) for a day job. As someone that works in a children’s service that is too small to run a viable ‘day patient’ program I am impressed she is getting that plus individual therapy -hopefully they should also therefore be a large enough service to have worked out the best therapeutic model for her rather than just firing the same one at every patient because that’s all they do. CBT is very much NICE- approved for both anorexia and bulimia in 18’s and over by the way.

I am guessing your local service has pointed you to a Beat parents/carers group already. They may also run one themselves.
Beat have a forum of sorts (more of a live chat which is heavily moderated I think) through their website too which I suppose puts you in contact with parents all over uk. Like this one: Dads peer support group

My day job is hard and complex but at least I get to go home at 5 (well, 5.30, 6,30 etc…) – I know that the mum/dad part of treatment and recovery is way way harder.

So big respect for being part of this. There will be dads that have found it pretty straightforward and others that are completely destroyed by the experience, YMMV and all that.

but I suppose the best advice that the dads I see in family therapy would give you is not to let the illness come between your daughter and you, or you and her mum, (or you and her therapist!!) -you still have a daughter in there, but you will probably all need to do things a bit differently for a while. Bestest wishes! J.

Putting it under a cold tap is just to cool the burn, leaving it in cold water after that won’t make any difference to the damage.

It’s done now anyway, but for future reference it absolutely will make a difference long term! Even if you don’t get to cold water straight away and the wound is objectively at body temperature again.

British burn association, with references.

Starmer on the other hand is much more the real deal. Come to think of it, if we put Starmer and Hammond in a room and told them to sort out the Brexshit mess together and ignore the idiots around them, we might have some progress. No chance, sadly….

Indeed. The referendum divided the conservatives and to a slightly smaller extent Labour too, both in public and in private. Wife and I were talking the other day about what it would be to have some kind of cross party package to make the least worst outcome for all of this -whoever is in government in 2 years time we are all going to suffer for it. Starmer is the most able person to manage this IMHO.

It was 10eur a day extra for 2nd driver for us with firefly (olbia) but not sure I would go with them again: business model for them would seem to be that the headline price is cheap but their cars are located off airport sites (shuttle minibuses) and they rely on upselling their own ‘insurance’ and charging ‘uncooperative’ customers for damage that didn’t happen during their rental and also high ‘admin’ fees for absolutely anything and everything else eg changes to policy, pickup/drop off times, speeding/parking tickets etc. It also added quite a bit if time to our arrival/departure as the office was a mile away from the airport and they are not well staffed so lots of waiting around (we were pretty lucky but stories of people waiting hours simply because the staff are so busy and have to ‘invest’ 20+ minutes per customer on hard selling insurance plus you will want 20 more minutes per end to go over every last chip and scratch on whatever they loan you! (Ours was mechanically lovely and immaculate inside but had 20+ separate areas of ‘chargeable’ damage on it 8O )

Also be aware that despite everyone else still seemingly going 15kph over whatever the frequently changing limit is (often comically slow if the toad surface is damaged eg. 20-30 kph on an a-road) and tailgating you if you don’t, there has been a really huge rise in speeding fines in Italy in last three years: speed cameras are properly hidden and not necessarily in accident black spots -you won’t have any idea you’ve been flashed until your credit card statement several weeks later: it also takes so long for a hire company to get back to you that you will miss the ‘early payment’ and pay double….

…superceded by newer versions, and a long time since I worked in acute medicine, but seen/helped with a lot of lives saved (for free, natch) with the help of these:

No experience as a participant, but yes it’s close to home in terms of what I do for a living -I share an office with 2 cb therapists amongst other flavours of therapy.
Definitely worth a go but also remember that if you have a choice, in terms of deciding between one form of therapy and another the relationship/rapport with the therapist makes almost as much difference as the choice of therapy! (A few of us got a bit flustered by that a few years ago!) So if you don’t get in with it at first don’t just write it off, and don’t just tell the therapist what you think they want to hear.
In my chair it’s better to be told up front you are getting it wrong in week three than to find out it’s not going anywhere in week seven.
Oh and when they give you homework bloody well do it!
Also there is a lot of online stuff to give you a better idea of the process. Because we are all about the mountains and hip north shore (and in case you are considering cbt for anxiety) I give you the Anxiety BC (British Colombia, eh?) website:

I can’t understand it: I have never once *not* voted even for local council or PCC elections.
I have friends with university degrees who still don’t bother ffs “doesn’t matter, the government always gets in.” :(

‘Lefty’ is exactly how I describe myself. It also helps to explain why I have voted for four different left-of-centre political candidates/parties over the years rather than being wedded to one party irrespective of its policies and manifesto.

What ninfan seems to be pretending to not realise is that when he uses the term, it is attributing personal qualities or failings to the term, like ‘whiney, smug, superior, condescending’. Of course these ‘qualities’ are present in the posting styles of many people on this forum past and present not least ninfan in the case of the last three but not the first one.

But hey, we are a massively self-selecting sample of people. The vast majority of politically thoughtful people do not post on here or other special interest forums and are probably very different (to me included obvs) in their debating, errr, ‘style’!

how near is near?
Paignton sea front (6 miles or so) has a rather excellent,) large (by devon standards) and free ‘geopark’ next to the pier.

jambalaya – Member

@julian I commuted up to London every day for 25 years fyi, an expensive and generally crap experience. A good friend was involved in the Clapham disaster (not hurt physically) and the vast majority of those recommendations where ignored by Labour and Tory governments. For whatever reason our railways are poor

Poor quality swerve. Is that last line like the ‘many complex reasons’ TM has but can’t say for why nurses are using food banks? And how many of your 25 years commuting were under a nationalised BR? You’re not that old: 12-15 tops? And no comment on sncf at all? It is possible to run a far better nationalised service with far more powerful unions than we have over here.

Again I am reminded that those traditional English patriots Lynton Crosby and Rupert Murdoch might have the best slogans for attracting the people who haven’t got the time or the inclination to read a manifesto properly, but the lefties have and always will have the best jokes.
Mark Steel on the policies of the 70’s

jonnyboi – Member

Quite liking the labour manifesto, now I’m deeply confused

It’s ok to be confused: if you lived in scandinavia it would look like a very ‘vanilla’ manifesto, firmly in the middle ground politically. Corbyn would be like the ‘Hilary Benn’ or even Ken Clark of parliament if he went to Finland tomorrow. We have one of the most RW press/media in Europe so what you are told from all corners is quite possibly at odds with your actual sense of right and wrong. Actually these are just like comparable and more popular policies all over the developed world (with the exception of the USA), not just with people who don’t think they like Labour.

it would be worse if nationalised / taken back into state ownership.

An truly incredible opinion coming from someone who lives in a country with such a fantastic and fully nationalised rail system, which is now running a couple of UK lines at a profit and effectively subsidising their own service.

jambalaya I have too have lived in both countries and used trains extesively all over both, the simple fact is that despite covering twice the land mass and having a trade union that makes the RMT look like the WI, SNCF works out significanty cheaper per km (and often much faster) when you factor/average out the uk’s ridiculous ‘airline ticket/earlybird/stupicdly high for last minute travel’ system, and my opinion is that SNCF is simply superior in all aspects.

A long time since I was over there but I would have made a simliar same comparison between uk TOC’s and Ferrovie Dello Stato 20 years ago too.

Yes, spending more would definitely cost less, it’s worked every time in the past after all.

…and yet somehow insisting we are spending less these last 7 years seems to have increased our national debt by just over 50%. uncomfortable truth here[/url] Has money just got more expensive these days?