Cheers Jamie, glad you liked it :-)

Next gig is Friday 5th March (yes, next Friday) at Zuu Bar in Bradford. Doors open 8pm, £2 to get in. Last trains back to Leeds are at 11.04pm and 12:37am Saturday

Photos look excellent stAn, thanks – I'm surprised how many you got considering how little battery there was. Haven't had a proper look yet as the battery is now on charge, but I'll stick them on Flickr & send you a link when I can. Probably tomorrow evening as I'm away for the weekend

BTW "I Will Stand" is nominated in Woho Music's Track of The Month poll – if you like it, you can vote for it here: http://www.wohomusic.net/page/track-of-the-month. You'll need to register but it is free

hi Clare, thanks for the plug :-)

will we be seeing you & Rich tomorrow night?

just found out it's £4 advance, £5 on the door, if that makes any difference. Still cracking value, £1.25 per band

Our song 'I Will Stand' is on the playlist for The Indie Show on AmazingRadio.co.uk next Tuesday. 7pm-8pm

It's also nominated in Woho Music's Track Of The Month poll for February :-)

Cheers Mick.

Btw it's cheapest on Amazon! By 10p per track

It's on iTunes, Amazon – look for The Wick Effect 'I Will Stand'. There have been other bands called The Wick Effect so make sure you get the right one ;-)

Or you could go to http://www.amazingtunes.com/users/thewickeffect

many thanks, WLD.
I think we're on third, which would be about 9.30pm, but don't quote me on that. doors open 8pm, last band should finish by 11pm

and thanks to MrsFlash for the plug :-)

'tis our debut gig, and as we happen to live in/near Leeds, it kind of made sense ;-)

Playing Bradford next Friday, then it goes quiet for a while

somehow I don't think so. but we're hoping a friend of ours, Gerry McNeice, will be

sax

I've got snowdrops in flower & some more not yet in flower. And some daffs coming up, but it'll be a while before they're flowering yet

next question – why would anyone want to become British?

happy birthday. I was 45 yesterday, so I'll join you with a glass of red if I may

Ok, so 'soccer' is a British word, but is mostly used by North Americans to describe Association Football; I don't know any Britons that use the word.

And I'll rephrase my other point: AFAIK anyone that lives in the UK and is entitled to a UK passport is not 'legally obliged' to have one unless they want to visit another country outside the UK. It's not a Police State yet

I don't think you're "legally obliged" to have a passport unless you feel the need/desire to visit another country (outside your land of domicile).

soccer? if you call it soccer, you're not British.

I'm born & bred Leeds, support Leeds Utd but couldn't give a rat's arse about England, the national team representing the country of my birth. Does that make me not-British? Or not-English anyway?

no, it's an accident of birth

and as far as I remember, my passport says "United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland". So if your friend has a UK passport, I'd say that makes him (a) Irish and (b) a UK citizen; if he has an Irish passport then he'd be just Irish.
To be British, would one have to be English, Welsh or Scottish, under that definition?

wear a suit & shirt, smart shoes. But forget the tie.

we're all pub-rock bands when we start ;-)

ah, Mr Eldrich appears again ;-)

Sisters mk 1 were probably about as 'goth' as you could get, at the time
mk 2 (as in zaskar's pic) more commercial
mk 3 (Vision Thing) – proper 'rock'

Did you know Patricia Morrison is (or was) married to Dave Vanian of The Damned? And Jason (Moose) Harris, formerly of New Model Army, has also played bass for The Damned. (as has Lemmy)

;-)

maybe, but is it 'goth'?

yeah, I did wonder about that…

anyway. Why's there a picture of me in a vocalist thread? Have any of you nice folks ever heard me sing?

this is me in action (many years ago):

and now:

not so gothic now, eh?

well I didn't think New Rose was punk but that's what it's quoted as

aye. barking, that one. had a curry with him in Bradford in 83. Well, not literally with him, I was at the next table when he came in & sat down…
Did the curry thing with John Peel too, same thing, same curry house

true, Phantasmagoria had a great cover. Shame about the contents. Sanctum Sanctorum was ace, in the same vein as much of The Black Album, but the rest was, well, "pop music"

nor Dave. Although he does have a mighty fine voice

The Damned were a pub rock band that caught on the first wave of punk (after all, New Rose was the first punk single ever released). As their sound morphed into something more psychedelic with the release of The Black Album, their image morphed with it. A more "gothic" album cover I doubt you could find; DV always did the 'Dracula' look but none of the other members of the band did. Sensible would often be seen on stage wearing a tutu…

But I'd still call them a 'punk' band rather than 'goth'

but having said that, if/when you sell the house you're letting, there are Capital Gains allowances against the length of time that you actually lived there, should you make a profit on the sale of the house

I don't think they're that bothered whether you own/mortgage/rent the one you're living in, the fact is you have to pay tax on the nett profit of any house that you earn income from. Full stop. This is HMRC after all

'ow do, nice to see my fanclub still here ;-)

Julianne Regan / All About Eve were never 'goth'. Just because they were friends with The Mission, they got labelled goth, but listen to their stuff & it's nearer folk than it ever was goth

And as for Siouxsie Sioux – punk punk punk

Good to see McCoy & Eldritch up there though

I always liked Elizabeth Fraser's voice, but I wouldn't call the Cocteau Twins goth either. There was a lot of good (IMHO) underground music around in the mid-late 80s, some of which jumped on the gothic look bandwagon (including The Damned!), some of which sounded right but didn't quite look the part, and then there were those that looked AND sounded right but refused to have anything to do with 'goth'. Step forward FOTN.

And Bauhaus split before the term 'goth' was ever used in anger

airport – Nice; resort – there's a pretty big campsite between Frejus/St Raphael and St Aygulf. the road alongside does get quite busy though. About 30-40 minutes drive west along the coast from Nice. St Raphael is a nice town, Frejus is a little more sedate and dates back to Roman times. St Aygulf is more of a village really.

nearby MTBing in the Estoril massif

I'm not a great holiday maker, as witness my total holiday list as an adult:

1995: Dordogne, France: hire a gite, self drive via Le Shuttle. 1 week cost about £400
1997: Crete. July, typical beach holiday. can't remember how much, wasn't too dear to get there but price-fixing among local shops was shocking. nowt to do, too hot, didn't take enough cash, no ATMs, restaurants/tavernas didn't take credit cards. Hated it. Not to mention the plumbing…
1999: Lagos, Algarve, June – honeymoon, cost about £1200 including flights & a decent apartment. Would go back tomorrow
2001: Olot, Catalunya. flights, car hire & apartment in a medieval village, all in about £900. 9/11 happened while we were there. Don't go to inland Spain after end of August UNLESS you want to experience the real Spain
2004: Menorca. totally forgettable. about as Spanish as Spanish City at Whitley Bay.
2006: French Riviera: fantastic. Nice, Cannes, Monaco, StTrop, Antibes. je l'aime
2007: see 2006
2009: Canada. Expensive but OMG I'd live there given the chance. Calgary, Rocky mountains, Vancouver. flights for 2 £1400 before even thinking about accommodation car hire living etc.

BTW these prices are/were for 2 adults, 0 kids

machete

World In Motion for me, despite Digger's very poor attempt at rapping

well when you put it like all of that, I suppose it's not a bad place.

weather could be better though* ;-)

* something else we're great at, discussing the weather

not going to any gigs this weekend, but playing on the next 2 fridays after that.

If you're in Leeds/Bradford come down & see us (The Wick Effect)

26/2/10 – 360 Club, upstairs @ The Library, Woodhouse Lane, Leeds 2
5/3/10 – Zuu Bar, Sunbridge Road, Bradford city centre

http://www.myspace.com/wickeffect

and there's another one here

I think it's free on Sundays

Charles Street car park opposite the town Library is free all day on Sundays. Head for Chevin Cycles, then Charles Street is between the shop and The Junction pub; the car park is at the other end, on the right.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=420427&Y=445477&A=Y&Z=110

can't be arsed to read all that ^ but I have a dispute about one of Mr Woppit's comments (not for the first time when discussing music, IIRC):

… also presenting it in a musical way with proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing.

Sorry MrW but, speaking as a musician (ok then, a drummer*), unless the musicians can do that, no amount of money spent on "reference hifi" can sort that out.

*no, enough of the drummer jokes. I'm serious.

Most human drummers will vary slightly through any individual piece. Your "average" music fan won't notice unless it's seriously bad. Some drummers can keep perfect time – the late Robert Heaton is an example that springs readily to mind.

Being too perfect sometimes takes the soul out of a piece – you may as well have a well programmed drum machine or sequencer instead

If a drummer is bad enough at keeping metronomic time that it's noticeable to Jo(e) Public, then he/she will probably work to a click track when recording, in order to eliminate this issue as much as possible. But a hifi system, no matter how good, or bad (unless the wow/flutter are perfectly synchronised to the drummer) can correct this.

oh go on then, one last bump.

The daytime crew were useless, can the Eating Drinking Listening mob do any better?

BTW I have nothing to gain financially from this, it's just an ego massage ;-)

what kids?

me & the missus have the house to ourselves. TV is rare