Thanks for he info, I’ve had a Heckler very nice, followed by a Nomad then an Orange 5, looking to change the 5 for a shorter travel and lighter bike, and keep the remedy for the times I need more bike. Hardtails I’ve tried many and they all hurt my back, had an injury many years ago, hardly shows it self with a suspension bike, and I have to ride a short TT or my back is a problem, Bosh I have a 5 now and I’m looking to change it, they do ride wonderful, but the sizing is wrong for me. Down hill on my 5 is far more stable that the Heckler, much slacker and lower BB :D